>> before we go tonight, we are hours away from yet another deadline before the automakers strike gets even more intense. the union chief says he will order more critical plans to shut down if the big three automakers don't approve their offers. cnn, of course will, be all over. that is it for me. cnn prime time. cnn tonight with laura coates starts right now. hey, laura. >> hey, abby. icu. good evening, everyone. i'm laura coates. welcome to cnn tonight. look, this is the real life succession tonight, everyone. the inside story of murdaugh's

exit from the network he created. there it is. fox news. it comes in the wake of fox pushing election lies that led to two massive defamation lawsuits, not to mention the loss of the primetime star. so, what will murdaugh's to pressure mean for the future of fox news? former fox news host, geraldo rivera is here to talk about it. plus, will kevin mccarthy have a job for very long? one big bail after another. no deal is inside with the government shutdown looming next week. is there anything that we can do to stop this runaway train? and, the best selling authors who say that openai is illegally using their copyrighted work. look, they are suing. of the top to one of them today. i want to begin with murdaugh's retirement from fox news just as the race for the white house is heating on up with his company tangled up in litigation over peddling the former presidents election lies

the last time around. the whole story, something out of succession. >> this is not the end. i'm going to build something better. something faster, lighter, mean are, wilder. i'm going to do it for men here, with you a lot. [bleep] pirates! >> let's talk to someone who knows fox news from the inside. a man who spent more than 20 years they are. journalist geraldo rivera. geraldo, thank you for joining us. i have to tell you, i was really interested in talking to you in particular about the news that came out today. of course, murdaugh is stepping down. there are comparisons that have long been drawn between him and the character you just saw, but i want to contextualize from someone like you who knows this is the most. what is the significance of his

departure from fox news? >> well, he's the founding father. not just at fox news, but it media and hire. it is made him one of the richest people on earth. he is a genius, i think. his great discovery is half the people in the english speaking world feel they are ignored by the main media and issues like abortion, immigration, gun reform, climate change. he discovered that. he created this empire to serve that population. it has served him well. he got jammed up in the whole dominion stuff. he is always been nice to, me kind to me, generous. when they cut my salary in half, when they had the big cut back before the pandemic, i went up to say, boris, this is not right. when i come back for, you this in that. you know, he called downstairs and said, okay, restore part of

that cut. so, i see him as a good boss. a vibrant, charismatic. i still full of verb and energy at 92 years old. as i have seen reported all day, his mother lived to be almost 104. why he quit at the early age of 92, i don't know, laura. >> i wonder why. now i'm really leaning into something he said. that's the idea of the discovery. it has christopher columbus quality to it. the idea of discovering people feel disenfranchised. people felt that since the beginning of time. it's part of why there have been so many strides towards having a more inclusive democracy. i've often wondered about rupert murdoch. what he was really like. was he someone who is a true believer in the actual substance of the causes of those who were disenfranchised? was he a businessman, who acknowledged, wait a second, i have to make demand in supply meet up somehow and have a

profit as a result. which was it? >> you know, i don't have a sincerity meter. i can only tell you that there's nothing i have seen between the private or semi private rupert murdoch and the public person. i think that when you see the testimony that he gave during the dominion lawsuit, for example, he was very matter of fact. he divested himself were put distance between himself and some of his own talent. >> he was forced to admit, excuse me, he was forced to admit that fox news host promoted lies about the election, lies that were egregious that they had to pay 770 billion dollars defamation. there is this idea of what he is admitting to. i'm really curious, geraldo, on a day-to-day basis -- look, i go by my own professional experience. a lot of different worlds in sectors. i've always wondered --

so, what was it like working for him. was he actually involved in the day today? his defamation testimony talks about maybe he could have told people to stop and he didn't. i never got a sense clearly of what his role was day today. did you have conversations with him? was he a puppeteer of sorts? did he have his thumb on the polls and able to direct the newsroom an agenda? >> he surrounded himself with a brilliant people. back in the day, it was dealer. on the new side, it was derails. how much he was involved, i can't tell you want to day-to-day basis. every time i saw him, every time i saw him in action, whether it was watching the results of the 200 and -- 2004 election with him in the room. when i was with him in an intimate setting, there is no space between the private and public rupert murdoch. in my view.

i don't know about succession. i didn't watch it. when i did, it was jessi pummeled some of those beautiful sets in scenery. i don't know if it was that kind of intrigue in the family between laughlin, jarry, ms. elizabeth, so forth. ally no is that he was a pretty straightforward guy, at least in dealing with me. he seemed to have his finger on the pulse, as i said. he was extremely skeptical of liberal politics. of the mainstream media. he saw the tremendous opportunity of the fact that half the people felt frustrated and underserved, or unserved, media. he saw that opportunity, drove a truck through it. he ended up having a fortune of over 17 billion dollars. one properties like the times in london and the wall street journal here in the states and

all of these other wonderful, wonderful properties. he had something going bad, i think, it does a disservice to think it was all sleazy opportunism because i don't believe that he believed that. i believe he was sincerely motivated. he could have, for example -- one fox news is being created, he could've gone the other way of programs like current affair and tabloid and celebrities, all that tmz kind of stuff. instead, he went to serve a conservative audience. well i disagree with almost everything in all of their positions, the majority of challenge at fox news, i appreciate the fact that half of the people believe, for example, that abortion is a moral wrong. or that gun rights are absolute. or that immigration is that or that the climate has not changing. they're very skeptical about

that. those are people who deserve to have their media. >> i just want to say, i misspoke when i said 787 million. i meant that suit by dominion. i don't want to discount the ability to be of a business person. you said you don't have a sincerity meter. that's perfectly true. of course, both things can be true. there is a recognized need and a way to exploit or capitalize on that very idea. i also wonder, him stepping down, why now? at this age? what it really means, logistically. if he really going to be hands off now? is his role going to be completely, sort, of blasé fair? given, of course, as he talked about the discovery of trying to seize upon a demographic that wanted to be heard or recognize in a different way? certainly, a very lucrative proposition and one credited getting donald trump elected,

perhaps, single-handedly. and we're in the middle of another election. will he play a role, do you think, going forward within fox news? or is he truly, do you think, going to be hands off? >> let me paint a picture for you. this is a guy who would drive up on 40 street and walk with a single bodyguard. a guy who is his driver, walk, get in the elevator, shut up whoever was there. go up to the 20th floor, whatever was. he would work all day. it a jacket on, a tie on. he came to work and he seemed -- i mean, this is not a person who put out the vibe of billionaire mogul, tighten. that wasn't the person i had an experience. with the guy that i knew was, yes, he had the are a of power

and achievement. he didn't flaunted. i don't know why now, exactly, except demographically, you know at 92, he's already 27 years past retirement age. maybe he thinks he's done it all, wants to slow down a little. maybe he wants to become an art -- i don't know. i haven't had a conversation with him in several years. i don't know his current thinking. i do know that history will mark him as someone who broadened the philosophical ideological product we call news. you know? it is, i understand, i saw earlier on reports on cnn of how bad, you know, the issue of climate and abortion -- i just feel that there is half the people in the english speaking world who feel under

or un-served by mainstream media and he saw it as an opportunity, whether he was motivated by profit or by his own personal ideology or philosophy. i can't tell you, laura. >> you know, it will be interesting to see what happens going forward. geraldo rivera, thank you very much. >> thank, you put. my pleasure. >> next, the never-ending gop costa capitol hill, members of congress are going home for the week. almost as if they didn't know that there was a deadline to avert a shutdown. september 30th at midnight, everyone, and casey listening. that shows you how far away they are from making a deal. the big question? what happens now? we are going to talk about it, next. we always fed him kibble it just seemed like the thing to do. but he was getting picky, and we s started noticing some allergy symptoms. we heard about the farmer's s dog and it was a complete transformation. his allergies were going away and he just had amazing energy.

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thing. sending members of congress home for the week, without a deal. because, i mean, that's how you work, right? after kevin mccarthy today, in what was supposed to be a procedural vote, mccarthy was clearly not happy about it. >> it's frustrating innocence that i don't understand why anyone goes against bringing it in having the debate. this is a whole new concept of individuals that want to shut the place down. >> now, the house is not set to meet again until next week with a functioning government. mccarthy's speakership, horse, hanging in the balance. i want to bring in republican strategist osborne, former white house senior director, hud. both of you know the power of hard work. clearly, when you don't have the job done, you just go home for the weekend and come back next week. that's what congress is doing here. i have to wonder though, what this is going to mean. they're going home. they have to explain to voters, in some respects, what is

happening and the y. i don't think voters are going to say, hold, on it's only republicans or it is only democrats or xyz. as far more nuance. how do you tell them as a strategist? how do you help to eliminate the issue and make your case? >> congress, the opinion the american public has on congress is at an all-time low. meanwhile, the age of congress is at all-time high. there is a massive disconnect between what is going on in the republican-controlled congress and how people are feeling out in the country. with that said, typically, when there is a president from the other party. the majority in congress is able to unify against the president and this is about mccarthy's challenges right now. that he can't even get his own caucus on board with how to combat the democrats right now. it really looks like republicans are in disarray. >> in a way that, right? it almost seems as though the point is to undermine him for some members of the republican party. that he is a marked man, in

some respects. it took 15 rounds to get him that speakership and we don't know still what price he paid, theoretically, for that. and to pay the piper, that's now. and he seems to be under the thumb of those you don't want to see do well. >> i don't think it's necessarily that they don't want to see him do well. >> absolutely. >> i think it's more to do with some of these folks just wanting to increase their national profile. this idea that they have constituents that are emailing them or calling them and say, you need to take the hard-line stance on this, the ndaa, appropriations, bill it's ridiculous. it's not happening. i worked in the senate. i know what kind of mail those folks get. this is not one of those things. this is about increasing their national profile and trying to, supposedly, check kevin mccarthy on this. i agree that kevin said, bring it on. i think he really means it. i also think it is certain

points, when i look back on the institutionalist in congress, the folks that no matter what was going on, they didn't let politics get in the way and you had people on both sides of the aisle, folks like allen monahan our david obie, institutional guys that would look at a vote and say, you know what, we are going to let this at least come to the floor. i think some democrats should step up and say, you know? what we are going to let this come to the four white. we may disagree with it, we know we have a senate cover. >> this is the challenge mccarthy is facing. he has to rely on democrats to get his own work done. he can't rely on his own party. >> not the worst thing, except the people in his own party don't believe in a functioning government, right? they are not there to actually execute and work on behalf of the citizens. it's not about disagreement on policy or tax policy. it is about, for example, senator tuberville finding ways to look at a defense bill and the abortion issues in it to

impede generals ambassadors from protecting our national security, right? it is all about pet projects, personal pet peds. in an underlying sense that they are taking advantage of a broken government. >> my view that, hey look at this and think, i'm bewildered by some of, it right? i think we should all want both sides to come together and do something together. why does every single vote have to be, you know, partisan one way or the other? when they see bipartisan, there are two or three republicans are truther democrats coming on, that is not bipartisanship. i know the game. i know they spin it. it is truly that they come together and say, okay, let us have a true debate on the floor on this bill. i think kevin mccarthy has been -- you know, he was a staffer on the hill. he worked for a chairman of a ways and means committee. he knows the process in this. i think he is going to be able to kabul this altogether. like, we are eight days -- however many days. eight days away from the end of

the month. a camera what today is. >> i don't do math unless and billing. okay. they had. >> there is going to be a c r. there just is. maybe it is a week late. maybe we have a short term government shutdown. i don't know if that affects the american people as much as everyone would like to say it does. it is unnecessary. >> exactly. it's unnecessary. it creates that sense that people in washington are not connected to the people and if you want to be speaker, running congress is what is being speakers all about. process king does not a leader make. >> i like that. kind of iota-ish. >> i don't know who else runs it. >> he came to the job because he really wanted power. he's able to go through 13 embarrassing votes to get. it >> 13 rounds. >> it wasn't a sense of, this is what mccarthy stands for. i'm going to help unify. >> let's ask a member of congress right now about. that help out? that jason, thank. you bring in the youngest congress in the house, frost, a democrat from florida.

congressman, i'm glad you are here we are talking about chaos as a ladder in the studio today. who's going to climb up? i don't know. who is at the bottom? seems quite clear to the american people. and look, you are one of the youngest members of congress. traditionally, i have watched members like yourself get patted on the head. condescend it to. told, look, you don't know how this whole thing works. you have to stay learned longer to utterly understand it. here we are with another government shutdown on the horizon and it's like a lot of people right now that maybe those who have been in power for a long time have no idea what they are doing. >> yeah, 100 and 10%. after we went through all of those votes for us said hakeem jeffries 30 to 14 times got sworn into the united states congress at 2 am on a saturday night, i told folks, what we experience of his past several days is a microcosm of what

congress will be for the next two years under speaker kevin mccarthy. the weakest speaker perhaps in u.s. history because his seat is grabbed power to the far right wing bash destroying of the republican party that wants to take the whole ship down with him. the way like to explain is they manufacture him up. they, say unless you do what we, what we are going to detonate it. some actually want to dead tonight it. see what happens. maybe they are curious. we saw that happen with the threat of the deep ball that just happened. we are back in the same place with the threat of a government shutdown, which, i think, is almost certain to happen. >> okay. but they hear the speaker of the house. how do you get the job done? >> that is a question. i think what the speaker should have done is ensured he was in a better place at the beginning of this, right? at the beginning of his speakership. because he gave away all of that power, because he, apparently, made all of these commitments to matt gaetz and

the freedom caucus, he is in a bind because he has made commitments that he knows he can't hold on to. that is the problem. when you have people who have so much ambition and no power and forward thinking, the ambition overtakes rational thought. they will say anything to get elected, say anything to become speaker and live day-by-day. here is the problem, the united states congress, the united states of america, has a speaker of the house who isn't interested in helping the american people as the first priority. the first priority for him is named speaker of the house day-by-day. that is not how you govern. >> one of the reasons, i understand, you got into government. we talked about it after election. it was following the shooting. you are so motivated and so many people to curb gun violence in this country, to stop these mass shootings in the horrific tragedies that result. gun violence and prevention has been at the top of your agenda. you introduced legislation to establish an office of gun violence prevention. yet another, think by the, way

that the government may be off to prioritize then the brinkmanship of things. tomorrow, president biden is going to be making a formal announcement. what can you tell us about this new initiative and what it hopes to accomplish? >> so, the first bill introduced as a member of congress is the office of gun violence protection act of 2023. igs in the house and chris murphy introduced it in the senate. as many folks know, i come from the gun violence movement. this is something we have been asking of the administration. i wanted to make sure that we can introduce it in the house for two reasons. obviously, we want to pass the bill. i also understand that in a republican congress right now, that can be difficult. so, sometimes when you are in the minority, you have to be creative. we thought, let's put in this bill. let's amp up the pressure with our allies. let's see if the administration can do it. we just heard tomorrow that the president will be making the announcement that he will create a federal office of gun violence prevention. for folks who don't know, we

don't have a federal office that coordinates all of this at the federal level. we believe that a daily problem, losing 100 lives a day due to gun violence, requires a daily solution. south, we are ecstatic about this office being created. this is an issue that the leading cause of death is a bullet. i think that is a failure of government. president biden, the administration, are stepping up and showing us that this is an issue that they care about. it is also about a full generation of the first gen z member of the congress. it's something that defines my generation. unfortunately, is mass shootings and gun violence. that trauma and the president understands that. that's why he is starting this up. we're really excited about the future of ending gun violence. it is a great step and a struggle that we have here. >> i will be curious to see about what impact it can make. how it is going to work. how it will be led and i think it will surprise a lot of people in a land that we call it alphabet city of all the bureaucratic agencies. there are still some significant gaps, including

this area. congressman, thank you for joining us. >> think you are having me on. >> well, more than a dozen date authors are joining a lawsuit against the creator of chatgpt. they say the company is illegally using their work. now, one of the bestselling authors? michael conley, he's my guest. next. that grimy film on your teeth? dr. g? it's actually the buildup of plaque bacteria which cancause . most toothpastes quit working in minutes but crest pro-health's antibacterial fluoride protects all day. it stops cavities before they start. crest.

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>> a high versus authors. a group of famous fiction writers joining a class action lawsuit by the authors guild against open a.i.. they are alleging that the company's technology is illegally using their copyrighted work to train chatgpt. the ceo of the authors guild, warning in a statement on wednesday, quote, it is imperative that we stop this theft in its tracks or we will instruct our incredible literary culture which feeds many other industries in the u.s., to preserve our literature, authors must have the ability to control if and how their works are used by

just generative a.i.. joining me now is michael conley. you know him. one of the bestselling authors involved in this suit. as you mentioned the brand-new book, resurrection walk, is out november 7th. i know many of you cannot wait for that to happen as well. michael, thank you for joining us today. you are one of several very prominent authors like george are martin, joining this lawsuit. tell me, why was it so important for you specifically to be able to be a part of this? >> i think it was because like these other authors you just mentioned, we were blindsided by this. we are all members of the authors guild. you know, they reached out to me and said, did you know that their system, their a.i. system, has basically digested all of your work? you know, our legal team did some research and prompting of the chat and so forth.

this was offering to write sequels to books i hadn't written yet. i haven't written sequels it. this artificial intelligence was willing to do that for any taker. that, of course, it's pretty shocking because i have worked more than three decades on my career is an author and i'm careful about what i write, but i choose to write sequels about. in a matter of minutes, they can be taken away from me. of course, i raise my hand and said, yeah, i want to be involved in any effort to control this. >> you, know i find that, began my career as a copyright and intellectual property litigator on these very issues. thinking about what it means to so many creative artists to have the opportunity to decide who, when, if their works are ever reproduced. how it's being used. to your point, no small feat to have done what you accomplished. and then have to be used in

this way. some people might look at this, michael, and say, hold on, these companies are not necessarily writing a sequel to publish and make money off of. they are training and using it to train their a.i. on yours and others work. does that make a difference? should it to you or the public? that it is a training mechanism? >> i think it is still an extensive threat to the idea of creativity. if what -- you, know i break about my 30 years of doing this. if i did it for two years and then they creativity part was taken away from me? why would i do it? i think this is a threat to what i call the spark of creativity. something can be taken away from someone who produces art, craft, whatever you want to call, it entertainment. you know, they pull it out of their own mind and their own

creativity. it is hijacked and taken away. >> i wonder if compensations were a response for these generative a.i. -- if you could be compensated for your work being fed into a i, can such an arrangement be made to be fair for writers? is the idea of ownership and not having to be reactive to what is already being done more important? >> well, it depends on where you are in your career. i think compensations is one of the big three sees that this lawsuit is about. it is about control, compensation and about consent. you don't do this without consent. i'm sure they could create some kind of licensing agreement and there will be many riders who want to do that. i particularly i'm not one of those rioters. i just want to control my work and put it out there.

have people take, it like, it not. i think that the rioters involved in this lawsuit are standing up for themselves. obviously, i'm standing up for myself. at the same time, we are standing up for all classes of writer. whether their names are known. whether they've even written yet. this is something -- this is a battle that goes into the future. >> it's a really important point. so many times people say, it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission. tell that to someone who is a creative and trying to create and wants to have that work respected. i want to read everyone a part of the statement at open a i gave to cnn. i'm quoting here. >> they respect the rights of our writers and others and believe they should benefit from a.i. technology. having productive conversations with many craters around the world, including the authors guild. again, michael conley, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> rupert murdoch's exit from fox, the big question is, what

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>> we are back with more tonight on the big shake-up in the media world. rupert murdoch is stepping down at the age of 92 as chairman of fox and news corp. his son, lachlan, taking the helm, but for how long? joining me now to discuss is carey's pressure, honor of the podcast of -- so good to see you, as always. kara, you are predicting on x,

formerly known as twitter, that it will be a short run for lawful murdaugh. you even suggested saw it could be selected elon musk, of all people. do you have insider info here? >> now. no. i'm just thinking about it. right now, a lot of these linear networks are in trouble. abc is for sale, many others. this is one of the more valuable ones. rupert murdoch is 92 years old. although, his mother live to 103. you have to be anticipating what happened when the kids will get control. it's not a leap to make. especially when he's stepping down when he said he would go out of the job i. and you have to wonder what is happening and where it could go from there. i was speculating, where i imagine it going eventually on the three other kids who have control of that family trust get control. they are going to want to sell it, would be my assumption. >> there's a whole lot of power attached as well. the idea of what the dollar amount would be. there might be the incalculable

amount of the influence that it actually has. we saw this for elections, as you well now. and do you think it will change fundamentally now that murdaugh is stepping down? i put that in air quotes because he will suddenly be involved still. >> i never turned my back on rupert murdoch. you never. should he still controls the trust. keep that in mind. he isn't given control to the kids, his children, the adult children. i think he will always be around. i think it's very hard for him, especially going to a new cycle. that's how a lot of people feel that he was disengaged especially run the issues of the dominion trial. things like that. several times when he was in the deposition, one of them will striking things as if he could've done anything about it, he said, i could have, i didn't. maybe they feel like they want to show that loughlin is in charge. so that he receives in the background and pulls the

strings. he could be interested in having a nice retirement. it doesn't strike me someone who has a nice retirement. so, i don't know. i feel like he is not going to be part of it because he still maintains control. you don't want to make it comparison to succession. it kind of is like that. logan character. the kids are going to be at cross purposes. they're very different points of view. james is considered more liberal, i guess. there are two sisters. they all have to agree. just two of them together could cause problems for the other two. three of them against one. you just don't know >> of course i'm being sarcastic you are thinking about the different reiterations of it. >> well, does, it that is the, thing other people -- elon musk the only reason i buy him up as there are all kinds

of right-wing media companies, investors, this thing will be looked at by a lot of people if it ever goes for sale, and we'll ever go for sale ultimately. and you can see is constantly talking about tucker carlson on twitter, i'm not clear how that is doing. even as a business, but you can see them trying to combine streaming and a network, and linear networks have to chance for more digitally, and digital networks have to have more of the qualities of a linear network. so you are going to see stuff like, that certainly elon has the money to, do it but other people do too. >> either pandora's box, which one, we will have to wait and see. thank you as always. >> no problem. >> up next, anderson cooper reveals his champion for change. glucoand where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. mamanage your diabetes with more confidence. freestyle librbre 2. try it for free at freestylelibre.us

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>> time now for champions for change. now all of this to bring in stories about everyday people who are lifting humanity, up and changing the way things get done. anderson cooper champions lost their daughter in the aurora theater shooting back in 2012. that is using their expense of other survivors cope, and the aftermath of mass shootings. >> sandy and lonnie phillips have been on a journey for more than a decade, it started the night they lost their daughter jesse in the aurora colorado shooting. >> we received a phone call from the young man that was with, her when i picked up, the phone i could hear the screaming going on in the background, and the chaos, and he said there has been a shooting. i said oh, please god, tell me that she is not dead. and the line went silent.

i let out a scream. >> at that moment, i knew that my wife would never be the same, and i would never have a daughter. >> they asked their son jordan to fly to colorado to bring his sister home. >> joining me now is -- >> and met him the day after the shooting. >> bring her, home celebrate life with family and, friends anybody she has somehow touched. >> just five months later, another mass shooting that shocked the nation. newtown, they flew into support other grieving parents. >> we saw the parents of those children walking into the community center, and they were like zombies. and i said to my husband, we can help them. we can do what wasn't done for us. >> how are you guys doing? >> so what they have done is create a nonprofit called -- i spoke to them about it for 60

minutes back in 2019. >> just checking in on. you >> the goal, to help with everything from mental health resources, to preparing survivors for media tension. >> it is so interesting that what you are doing, you are not trained therapist, you are not counselors, and yet you have upended your lives, and reaching out in a very individual way to people. >> yes, that is compassion. >> their efforts have taken them across the country, to some of the worst mass shootings in american history. with all they have learned, they created the survivors toolkit, along with gabby giffords organization. >> what we are trying to do with the toolkit right now is get it to every mayor in america, so they have it on hand when not if, but when this happens in their community. >> tragedy struck the community of uvalde ten years into their journey, even for, them it was too much to bear. >> our first response was to

sandy hook, and for me emotionally, uvalde was our last. uvalde took everything out of me. i don't know that i will ever be able to physically respond to another mass shooting because of uvalde. >> that was like cancer for us. >> they now focus on building up the next generation of survivors. >> we were shoulder to shoulder. not one bullet touched me. i still don't understand. >> dion greens father was killed in a mass shooting in ohio. >> -- she gave me her heart, she gave me her ear, and she gave me her shoulder to lean on. >> now he travels the country offering support. >> i followed her lead to help others as well. >> we really try to make our legacy, which is really just her legacy about the future,

because we have found joy again. and, i want other survivors to find that joy again. >> here with me now, anderson cooper. anderson, good to see you. the -- quite a journey. they have been traveling to mass shootings all over the country for a decade now. now they feel they cannot respond in person, i wonder what does the organization look like for them in the future? >> yes, they say they want to pass the torch to the next generation, and -- he is part of what they call a rapid response team. the idea is to have someone like him in every region of america so when not if, but when another mass shooting happens, they can coordinate getting someone on the ground as quickly as possible to help survivors, up family members. they would also like to see, and they are working on a coordinated government response

to mass shootings to deal with the trauma that is left in the wake of these tragedies, like fema comes in to respond to natural disasters. they would like to see a trained team of therapist, grief crown slurs on scene to help. >> the fact we have to have something like that, just tells you the weight and extent of the problem. i also understand that they have been very active in trying to get gun control laws actually passed. >> they have. they like to say they are in favor of gun reform, not gun control. they like to say they are actually gun owners, and believe in responsible gun ownership. they work on trying to pass legislation, no doubt about it. they have been disappointed from their point of, you the -- what they would see on progress as that front since the death of their daughter. i think a lot of people like them thought that the hope would be a turning point in america. earlier this, year they helped pass just these lot named after their daughter in colorado, it allows victims of gun violence to sue gun and ammo manufacturers. >> really so stunning to think

about all of this. anderson cooper, thank you so much. everyone, be sure to tune in on saturday at eight pm eastern for the champions for change one hour special. thank you for watching. our coverage continues.

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