warner brothers, discovery, which of course is the parent company here at cnn. is the second straight day of sit-down meetings to end the walkout, and a source told cnn the both sides left that meeting feeling encouraged. any deal of course still needs to be ratified by the actual union members and then the major studios could turn their attention to the actors union which is still on strike tonight. even an agreement with just the writers guild could mean the return of some talk shows. you seen that in the news this week, not only daytime but also late night. we'll see keep you updated. in the meantime, thank you so much for joining us. cnn prime time with abby phillips starts right now. objectively, american democracy is in perilous condition. the nations politics are poisoned, truth has become optional instead of desired or even required.

the republic has always, of course, faced threats to it, even before rupert murdoch. but so much of the current state of our democracy can be traced back to the beast of his creation. good evening everyone, i'm abby phillips and rupert murdoch is stepping down as ceo of fox news tonight. his legacy is outrage. partisan red meat, stoking relentless culture wars. but it all started with what you can argue is a noble vision to create a center right news network. to elevate perspectives that are based in gotham or washington but instead stoking division that seemed to be murdaugh's mission. so did power and so did the money. fox became a mouthpiece for republican administrations, a mouthpiece, really, for donald trump. and eventually a vehicle for his baseless conspiracies. before we discuss this tonight,

it's important really illustrate just a small piece of this mission, 25 years in the making. >> white supremacy, that's the problem. it's a hoax. >> we keep wearing other species and other ethnics >> are you saying -- >> the problem we are getting at. >> the swedes have pure genes. that's the rule. finland is better, so they have a pure society. in america we marry everybody. >> asian people are not liberal by nature. they're usually more industrious and hardworking. >> you are muslims why did you write a book about the founder of christianity? >> say you are a cocaine dealer, any kind of look like one a little bit. >> for all your kids watching at home, santa just as white but this person is arguing that maybe we should also have a black santa. santa is what he is. >> precisely is diversity is our strength. >> i've something in common with obama, i don't know what the big deal, as he's an african anyway. >> a terrorist fist jab? >> you grew up on tacos is correct?

>> oh, i did not. i'm nicaraguan. >> catholics write letters and muslims stab with letter openers. not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims. >> and americans including this one believe barack obama to optional emotional attachment the muslim act shorten area. >> this guy should go back to burning the taxpayer to whatever pagan for maybe he is worshipping because it's not jesus. >> she won't move congressman omar from foreign relations, from the foreign relations committee because, why? because she thinks so little of america? who is she representing, because it is it isn't america? >> maybe tomorrow he says he's going to transition to a woman. better yet maybe a black woman, maybe even better a half black, pacific islander, something like that. >> slaves that worked there

were well fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government. >> how did we wind up with a company in which feminists do science? >> there's going to be some downside to having a woman president right? something that may not fit with that office, correct? >> i'm gonna say no bill. >>i used to think women shouldn't be able to vote, now i think that liberal woman should be able to hold office. i'm telling you to shut up. >> you shut up, know your role and shut your mouth! >> i'm sure you'll be happy to hear that, chris, thank you. >> i saw an evil laughter -- >> evil! >> what's evil laughter. >> just the way her face contorted. >> michelle obama is so the duchess when she speaks. >> she needs to drop a few. >> bill is the average american here and i'm president obama. this is the way i feel.

i feel like president obama is just saying, you know what, got that 3. 5 trillion dollar budget that we are doing. >> it's the biggest myth of all time is that sweatshops are bad. >> only needs a little holiday. >> christmas is a global struggle. the fact that began spotlighting companies that refused to say the words merry christmas. >> i am tolerant, i'm all for free speech and free rights, just not on december 25th. >> as far as torture goes at, least in this controlled experiment, this seems like a pretty efficient mechanism. to get someone to talk and still have them alive within minutes. >> he would let everyone get married get married. if you want to marry a turtle you can. >> clearly, nickelodeon is pushing a global warming agenda. >> we ask why there is violence in our schools, but we systematically remove god from our schools. should we be so surprised that schools had become a place of carnage? >> if the feds had not stripped

us of our natural rights to keep ourselves safe by keeping and bearing arms, 9/11 would never have happened. >> explosive developments in the mysterious murder of former dnc staffer seth rich. if true, this could become one of the biggest scandals in american history and could mean that rich could have been murdered in a very suspicious circumstances. >> this virus should be compared to the flu because at worst, at worst, worst-case scenario it could be the flu. >> this was not and is not a pandemic. >> we like the fact that there are a lot of cases in low risk populations because that's exactly what we are going to get heard immunity. >> the mrna vaccines need to be withdrawn from the market right now, nobody should get them, nobody should get boosted. >> look at it right there. the same workers who stayed behind are now wheeling out the suitcases that were under the rectangular table there. >> it appears to show poll

workers pulling ballots out of suitcases after they told pole workers to go home. >> sydney, we talked about the dominion software. i know that there were voting irregularities. >> that's where the fraud took place, where they were flipping votes in the computer system or adding votes that did not exist. >> dominion voting systems, you have described with algorithms which were designed to be inaccurate rather than to be a secure system. >> i can hardly wait to put forth the all the evidence we have collected on dominion, starting with the fact that it was created to produce altered voting results in venezuela. for hugo chavez. >> we had a dominion machine and it was filled with holes like swiss cheese. it was developed to steal elections, and being used in the states that are involved. >> that is fox news, 25 years of it. and of course those last few

clips are lies. and they cost fox more than $700 million. now you can cherry-pick any outlets blunders, mistakes, embarrassments. but the difference here is what you saw are not anomalies. they are features, not a bug. and one of the tricks of the trade is repetition. daily. even hourly. if you say the talking point consistently enough, americans become addicted to the outrage, in fact in the case of january 6th, people blindly believed those talking points. they acted on them and many of those defendants have testified in court before being sent to prison that that was the case. now asked in a recent deposition whether the rationale for allowing those lies to spread on his platform is quote not red or blue but green, murdaugh replied correct. now in recent years it has been reported that murdaugh has been furious with trump. and it makes sense. his network repeated these lies and it hit the kingmaker in his pocketbook.

but murdaugh's sold that fabric any reward of the loudest voices in the room. he accelerated this idea that if someone called out ally, called it a lie, you are liberal stooge. you are a hack not to be trusted. you are woke whatever that means. and there is no doubt that it is working for his bottom line at least. but the question is tonight at what cost. at what cost to america? and to what cost to all of us? joining me now is conservative lawyer george conway, cnn political commentator ana navarro, and staff writer for the washington post sarah ellison. george, what has the cost been for all of this? >> the cost is that you have a large segment of the population that is detached from reality, detached from facts and if you try to present them with evidence or facts they will turn it off. they will stop listening.

they will simply spew the opposite, and they are addicted to hearing what they want to hear, whether it is true or not. and we saw that with the fox's experience that led to the payment of the 787 million dollar settlement where sometimes they would tell the truth on fox and then we get blow back four and they realize they couldn't do it, so they kept putting on sydney powell and rudy giuliani, even though they knew that as the emails were produced in discovery showed, they are peddling lies. >> but is it getting worse? you all are both former republicans >> i'm stiller registered republican. >> still republican, but i imagine you haven't been on fox news. do you think it's getting worse? >> i have the distinct honor of never having been on fox news.

never having been invited on fox news, never will i go to fox news, because i think it is a cesspool of conspiracy theories and lies and look what is the cost to america? has the cost to our democracy. it's the cost to civility. it's the cost to truth and facts. the amount of people in this country who absolutely believe conspiracy theories, and you talked about the last few clips being true. we just saw the baddies and oldies of fox news for six full minutes, including conspirac y theories against the death of seth rich, it's a cost of money to do remember? remember the one about obama not being born in that country? that conspiracy theory, and what that is done to america. the rise of racism, the promotion of crt as some sort of evil thing that was threatening children, the

homophobia against lgbtq. it's being -- the constantly more division, more lies, less facts, it's been a cesspool over and over, but it is been successful for rupert murdoch. and the measure's financial success. >> what's your view on that? as ana just point out, it cost the money, the dominion lawsuit cost the money. it may not even be over yet. how does that factor in? >> i think some of that is the cost of doing business when you are in the business of promoting, when we talk about what they were saying during the aftermath of the 2020 election, what we learned from all of those documents that came out from the dominion lawsuit was that they had to respect their audience. they didn't want to lose their audience, and i remember one of our there headlines was they were fearful that if they told the truth they would lose their audience. i think this is an element of rupert murdoch sort of creating

a viewership that wanted his product and then he had to chase that viewership down 780 million dollar settlement. it did come back to bite him but he sort of reaping what he sowed. >> it may seem like an episode of succession but the consequences are so significant for this country. to any of you have a sense that the succession plan, the son coming into power is really going to change anything for fox? >> why would it? he's been training under his father for all of these years in the same way that rupert murdoch trained under his father. you've got a look at what rupert murdoch has done and we talk about this country but it's not only this country. it's also the united kingdom, it's also australia. this is a guy who took a small little paper in australia and

has turned it into a worldwide news conglomerate, including not just fox, right, but a bastion like the wall street journal which is supposed to be held at a different standard let's say than a fox news. i think when it comes to counting dollars and cents, the amount they paid to dominion, that's chump change to what they've learned why would they change the formula? >> he, murdaugh, in his own words, he doesn't even like trump. but they are so in bed with this, he almost can't get out of the bed that he's made. >> right, essentially they were like selling drugs. the drugs were lies and addicted and audience to it, so they can't stop. that's going to be the interesting question. i was in mna lawyer in the prior life, litigator, and one of the things that happens when you have a company that his family controlled. it's a public company but

because of the dual share stock structure the murdochs have a disproportionate share of the voting control. when the patriarch of such a family passes on or passes the baton, there often is a management vacuum and some of the members of the family wants to sell, and this company could get sold. the question is who's gonna buy? it problem is, whoever is going to buy it is going to want to return on their investment. they're not going to want to destroy the franchise and so there's a good chance they're gonna have economic incentives to keep it going. i think the only thing that might stop them is the fact that the media environment is changing generally. with how cable news is distributed. and also, the fox population, the viewership is kind of aging out. it's a much older demo. >> what i think what stops it

is rupert murdoch staying on as chairman, he's 92 but he seems to be in full control of his faculties. >> it may be. >> any thoughts on that? sarah. >> i think one thing that is very clear that that rupert murdoch's sons, now laughlin is the only one that's left with the country, the one who's not as conservative already left the country. loughlin has already said we're not gonna charge change the market position of fox because he doesn't want to drive his father's company into the ground. so i think there is a real risk in changing political position of fox. loughlin doesn't want to do that politically, need is more to do that from a business perspective. i think these other lawsuits that are still out there, smartmatic style as a 2. 7 billion dollar lawsuit against fox, i don't see them changing, i think the points that we have been making is that no one is really running fox. the audience is running fox. >> that's an interesting point.

before we go, this is in murdaugh's letter to his staff. he says, most of the media is in cahoots with the elite peddling political narratives rather than pursuing the truth. it's very rich. >> there is something that is just got to stick in our cross. particularly those of us who are not born with silver spoons in our mouth like donald trump and rupert murdoch. when they turn around and called other people the elite. >> its psychological projection. >> psychological projection. george, anna and sarah thank you so much for joining us tonight. coming up next for us, the government is about to shut down in a week and congress is believing are not going home. they're taking an early weekend. so we'll speak to one of the republicans who's in the middle of all this chaos. plus, the ukrainian president gets a cold shoulder from some on capitol hill as he pleads for more money.

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keep the government open. i don't believe the government 's going to shut down in eight days, i believe that we will have a plan, we will pass a bill without any democrats support, and we will move forward to make sure that americans have confidence in government and understand we are keeping this government open and funded. >> so earlier this week, just so the folks understand, you voted against the defense spending bill which is part of this process, but today you did switch your vote to a yes. it did still fail though. you seem to have been satisfied with what the speaker put on the table but your colleagues are not. at this point to avoid a shutdown why not reach across the aisle to democrats to make a deal? a deal by the way that would pass the house and maybe have a chance to pass the senate as well? >> so the bill that was on the floor today was a defense appropriations bill. it was a procedural vote. i had voted against it because several of my colleagues wanted

the numbers for all 12 of the appropriations bill to see how this fit in. we got those numbers yesterday, we changed our votes, some other members objected to ukraine funding in a few other things and they voted no today. i think it's important to realize that the senate hasn't passed on the floor of the house many appropriations bills. the house has passed one and we are looking at passing a few more on saturday. i believe members are gonna be called back for that vote on saturday. but the continuing resolution is a number that the democrats put on the floor last year so this year's appropriations were passed last year. every republican voted against that bill because the number was so high and the continuing resolution would continue that spending level. so a lot of republicans including myself are against that spending level.

>> so you are not willing to work with democrats even if it means avoiding a shutdown? >> no, i'm absolutely willing to work with democrats, they're not willing to work with me. the bottom line is, we can't keep spending the amount of money we are spending. this country is going broke. we will have two trillion dollars of debt, the highest amount of debt we have ever had in this country's history this year. we can't keep going at that rate and that's why think it's so important to make sure the people come together, find ways to cut spending so we can get in a manageable area for debt. >> so speaker mccarthy when he left the floor today, he was visibly frustrated. he criticize the far right flank of your conference for wanting to, quote, just burn the place down. what is your view of that? who is burning the place down? >> i don't think -- i think kevin was probably very frustrated and was speaking out. one, i don't think it's a great idea for the speaker to do that because he's got to go back to

those people and try to get the votes for the next bill, but i do think that we have a difference in our conference over the importance of deficit spending in creating more national that, and the speaker 's job is to bring people together and try to find a way to move bills forward. i'm confident that will happen in the next week. >> do you understand his frustration? he seems to be saying, i'm putting all of the things that you sounds like you want on the table, and some members, there are definitely some members in the conference who are saying, we won't vote for any continuing resolution at all? >> yeah, i don't think that's the case. i think those members are saying, we're not gonna vote for a continuing resolution of this number. when kevin mccarthy was running for speaker, he told the freedom caucus members that he would be willing to write appropriations bills at the one point 47 trillion dollar number. he is now moved that number up significantly as a result of negotiations with the president

for the debt ceiling bill. you can't promise a group of people to different things and then expect not to have the check come due sunday, and right now is the time of that check is coming to. i think we'll still be able to work through those issues, reach a compromise and make sure we keep government open. >> all right the clock is absolutely ticking now. for you and your colleagues on the hill. congressman ken buck thank you. >> thank you. >> and up next. a new york republican reacts to the president's decision to give work permits to nearly half 1 million migrants as the border crisis explodes. plus, the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs says that donald trump did not want wounded veterans at events. the new revelations ahead.

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we are not going to have more hotel rooms. we don't have capacity, so we have to also message properly that we are at or limit. if you are going to leave your country to go somewhere else, the smart thing to do is to leave for asylum before you leave your country and then you have a different experience when you arrive. >> joining me now is congresswoman nicole malliotakis, a republican from new york. congresswoman, thanks for joining us tonight. >> good evening. >> governor hochul last night in that interview, she also called on you and your republican colleagues from the state of new york to do something about comprehensive immigration reform which i think would you agree at the heart of this problem. why isn't that happening? >> actually we have done quite a bit. we have voted already to secure the border, stem the flow, increase the number of visas. i've introduced legislation that would allow for a number of different type of visa category numbers to increase. we've also supported expanding the number of judges to hear these cases quicker because we know that half to two thirds of these individuals claiming asylum are denied when they get

to court because they don't have legitimate asylum cases. the reality as we don't have a partner in the senate that is willing to support our legislation and they haven't done any of their own. >> i think one of the issues is what you are pointing it are all parts of this, but the overall immigration system is broken. that's why when people talk about comprehensive reform, that's not happening. wouldn't you agree? >> no it hasn't happened when the democrats controlled either. the problem is this. our president decided to put in place executive orders that have allowed for this unsustainable flow to occur. i and my office have helped hundreds of immigrants who have followed the rules, done everything right, have been stuck in bureaucracy to gain citizenship, green cards and work authorization. right now the policy and see that the president put in place allows for those individuals who are coming over the border today to get appointments and be heard prior to the people

who have been waiting in line and that's wrong. i actually of somebody who had work authorization, lost their work authorization because it ended now they are saying they have to wait 16 months to get it renewed. so the policy that the president put out yesterday with all these individuals ahead of that constituent who has been here, working here, following the rules and doing everything right. so it's an unsustainable flow that we have to stop at the border if we are going to address the backlog in a system. now the mayor and the governor keep incentivizing people to come to new york. hochul says one thing on your show yesterday but quite frankly, she has sent an invitation to people from around the world to come to new york and they will get free services. free housing, free education, free college tuition. she even wants section eight housing. that was one of the requests she made of the president. >> are you referring to just for clarity purposes are you referring to new york's right to shelter? the leaders of new york, the

mayor and perhaps the governor would say requires that they provide shelter to these migrants? >> it doesn't actually. the right to shelter decree passed in 1979 was a court decree that was intended for homeless new yorkers. it was never intended as the governor finally alluded to last night, she admitted that it was never intended for everybody on the planet would come to new york city. in fact, it's illogical to think that policy would apply to eight billion people on the planet so they come to new york city. that's why we are in a situation we are in right now, because the mayor has misinterpreted that right to shelter law and insisted that these individuals had to be housed. do you know what happened in my district? they took away assisted living from our senior citizens. they literally kicked out senior citizens in march and then turn around this organization to try to deal with the city to house migrants there. how is that fair? >> i think the mayor would argue there anything he did this morning, that he can't

just decide not to enforce the right to shelter. it has to go through a legal process. but i do want to ask you speaking of the mayor here. he as set in the past that he thinks this issue could destroy new york city without drastic federal intervention. you saw a resident biden was in the city this week, you met with governor hochul this week, but he didn't meet with adams. what you think is going on there? is that relationship work needs to be in order to get to resolution on this problem? >> i think it is disappointing that the president came to new york city and don't even go to see any of these facilities. the roosevelt hotel which the mayor wanted him to go visit was the site where they have already had dozens of arrests. these individuals have actually committed crime in our city, and that's a problem in itself of itself. but the problem is it's really unsustainable that's why say the mayor opened this can of worms. he should have not done this and he should've allowed outside groups to sue him if they wanted and allow him to go to court. but when i want to say is. this reality is that federal's

solution is necessary, that's why we built a border wall to stem the flow. i'm open to holders to track people to come to this country is my president and have opportunity pursue a better life. we need to know who's coming in and out of this country. in a post 9/11 world, of all places new york should be concerned that there are 1. 6 million individuals that have come in the country. we don't who they are, where they are, what their intentions are in addition to the 6 million that have been encountered at the border and have made their way throughout the country including new york. so i would say to my colleagues. senator schumer, work with us. we have a solution that we passed to secure the border. you might want to see some other aspects, work authorization, let's come together. but the senate has to pass something in order for us to reconcile our differences and come together. i think this is the right opportunity for the republicans and democrats to come together,

but if we don't stem the flow, the system will continue to be inundated and we will continue going through this every month until we actually stop the flow and deal with a backlog that we have currently. >> it'll be interesting to see if there is any movement on this because i think both parties now agree that it is at crisis levels, not just in the country but at the border. congresswoman malliotakis, thank you for very much for joining us. >>thank you. >> an outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs of staff mark milley showing his fears when it comes to nuclear arms when it comes to donald trump and what he fears if donald trump is elected again. that's next. ♪ neither snowcapped mountains, nor puddles of water, nor unexpected detours with a 20 foot drainage pipe,

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the joint service quartet and singing god bless america. >> that was a moving moment during a welcome ceremony for the chairman of joint chiefs, mark milley back in 2019 but it turns out that may have been the initial moment that chairman milley get insight into the former president donald trump's view of members on the military. according to a stunning new profile in the atlantic, following wounded army captain avila rendition of god bless america, trump walked over to congratulate and person but moments after that, the former president told chairman milley, quote, why do you bring people like that here, no one wants to see that, the wounded. never let avila appear in public again, trump told me. joining me now is the editor and chief of the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg, the offer of that profile, the patriot, how general mark milley protect the constitution from donald trump.

that moment, jeffrey, is a searing moment recounted on paper, but what was it like to hear milley recount that to you? >> i will not say how he reacted to all these things and what we talked about specifically, but i think that there were a lot of witnesses to that. i think it's true that for mark milley, like a lot of people who work in and around the administration, it was a gradual, some would say not so gradual, process, about learning about the character and proclivities of the former president. i think that was a moment that was deeply unnatural for american military leaders, not just mark milley, because they venerate veterans and combat survivors like captain avila. they have the universal respect and admiration and sympathy of generals. so the idea that you would hide them, it runs counter to their instincts.

>> then again, trump is still the same person who told john mccain, you know, he's not a hero because he was captured. this is the same person. >> people that were shot down were trump's -- that goes to this point, i don't think mark milley when he came in 2019 thought that he was dealing with mr. rogers. but again, the interesting thing to me about progression is -- by the way, it took him to lafayette square thank shear for mark milley to fully understand what he is dealing with here, and terms that the president. it's a hard thing for him to do because that is the commander in chief. >> one of the things you know in the piece is that trump picked milley because he thought that he looked like a general. he's a big guy, he's got a generals face, square, big eyebrows, what is he really like and how did that factor in to them being compatible? >> we know people that covered

trump know that he always has this line, a guy looks out of central casting. he cast people for roles. he does not interview them per se. you look like a secretary of state. you look a chairman of the joint of chief's. but what he did not understand, beneath that build, strong guy, big combat veteran and all was a princeton educated historian. not only into, what he did understand, and this is where the relationship fell far, as it did with a lot of other people, jim mattis and john kelly, other generals came in because, maybe, they looked at the park. what he did not understand is that mark milley was committed to the principle that the military reports, in essence, to the constitution, not to the president of the united states. he did not understand that these guys, who have risen in the ranks all the way to general, have their own code of conduct and ethics and behavior that ran counter to what trump

thought, maybe based on what he saw and movies, how he thought he should act. and so, it was a class from the beginning, as it was with a lot of other people that trump hired. >> ultimately, and some of the antidotes, that we will talk about next, that is the central conflict that erupts really between the election and january 6th. jeffrey, standby. coming up next, why milley thinks that a second trump term could threaten his freedom. the biggest ideas inspire new ones. 30 years ago, state street created an etf that inspired the world to invest differently. it still does. what can you do with spy? ♪

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>> he thinks milley, like other people in the administration, severed it his trump platform, the whole maga platform. he believes that the military served him. he did not take that specific course that many took that said that the military is there to uphold the constitution. it does not work. you reported the commander and chief, but if the commander and chief passivity something that is illegal or immoral, you don't do it. it's not just a milley's problem. there are a lot of people who worked for donald trump now to understand that if trump was back in power, trump will try to use the justice department, which he will staff with his own people, try to use the justice department to prosecute them. for what, we don't know. the details are too hard to understand. >> a key moment for milley, we

alluded to this earlier, is the lafayette square moment during the george floyd protests. he walked with trump up to a certain point. he says, absolutely positively should not have been there. that is also, it seems to me, a pretty searing moment. >> that was a pivotal moment in his life, where he said, i cannot know where this guy wants to go. remember, at the same time, there is this course in the white house. trump asked milley and esper, the defense secretary, why can't you just shoot them, the demonstrators, in the legs? and they are like, because it is america. because we don't do that. we don't take the military and put them out on the streets and start shooting people that you don't like in the legs. this is the interesting thing. you hear it over and over again. trump did not understand the concept, that is not what the military is there for. it's not what they joined, and it is not with their oath says. >> he literally says here, in your piece, you guys, referring to combat soldiers, are all just killers.

what is the difference? >> here, we were talking a while ago about who milley is. he's a big combat veteran, iraq, afghanistan, a hockey player growing up, but he is also a serious catholic. he's also a serious intellectual, reads history, and he is a serious student of the constitution. those are the parts that maybe trump did not see. >> yeah, did not see or understand our did not care for. jeffrey goldberg, thank you very much for going there all of that for us. coming up next, the autoworkers are out warning to the big three, come back with a better offer or else. what the union is threatening to do next.

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