wait for the kennedys to return. some people describing this as a cult. what we wanted to do with this documentary was kind of get beyond these irrational beliefs because that is what they are, and really look at the impact that this is having on american families, but also why people are going down these rabbit holes in the first place. what we found is that the people who believe in this, many of them, they aren't always, quote, unquote, always been crazy people or quacks. many of them productive members of society, have loving families, have jobs. but something clicked. often times it's a trauma or they're going through a tough time and they find these communities online and they get sucked into them. and, as you can see from that interview there with erica from pittsburgh, her brother got sucked into this rabbit hole. and you can see the devastation it causes. >> donie o'sullivan, thank you. and you can see the new episode of cnn's "the whole story" with

anderson cooper this sunday 8:00 p.m. eastern. "erin burnett outfront" starts "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com "outfront" next, senator bob menendez facing growing calls to resign. gold bars and mercedes stacks of cash. that's just some of the evidence that investigators have tonight. plus, he just helped free five americans held in iran, flew back with them to the united states. the top u.s. hostage envoy is "outfront," and how that deal almost fell apart at the last minute, and what he's doing now to help free "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich from russia. and officials just revealing new details about what may have caused that deadly bus crash. one of the high school students who survived is "outfront" tonight. and he'll tell you about the moment that he knew something was terribly wrong. let's go "outfront." and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the breaking news. calls to resign.

the drum beat growing louder from democrats calling on one of their own to step down. senator bob menendez was indicted today on federal charges, and the evidence, the charges are stunning. he's accused of taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes, bars of gold, hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash were found hidden in clothing and closets. even a gifted mercedes. he's also accused of sharing sensitive u.s. government information with egypt, which is a huge deal on its own, because keep in mind he was the chairman of the foreign relations committee, powerful committee, classified information that he was privy to. he was only forced to step down today from that due to the indictment. and tonight the governor of his own state new jersey is telling menendez to step down. fellow democrat phil murphy issuing a statement saying, quote, the alleged facts are so serious that they compromise the ability of senator menendez to effectively represent the people of our state. therefore i am calling for his

immediate resignation. eric holder also saying menendez should resign. moments ago saying the same. virginia democrat representative abigail spanberger. minnesota democrat dean phillips. and a number of new jersey state democratic officials all have now asked menendez to step down. this has really been happening. really in the past hour, a lot of people on the democratic side have been coming out and calling for this resignation. it's incredible for so many reasons. but one of them is this. this is the second time in a decade that menendez has faced corruption charges. he was able to get off of them last time. the white house, though, saying mum tonight on menendez's situation. >> this is an active matter. we learned about this just like all of you. active matter, not going to comment. >> paula reid is "outfront" to begin our coverage.

just some of the pictures here, what's alleged. i mean, it's like if you were writing in a novel people would think it's just too on the face, it's too obvious. these are stunning and serious allegations against the sitting senator. >> reporter: stunning is exactly the right word. this would be brazen alleged behavior for any lawmaker, but especially for one who just a few years ago was acquitted on similar accusations of corruption. but the biggest difference in this case is that they are alleging that he used his influence not only allegedly for associates here in the united states, but also on behalf of a foreign government. senator robert menendez facing corruption charges for the second time in just ten years. >> i am announcing that my office has obtained a three-count indictment charging senator robert menendez, his wife and three new jersey businessmen. >> reporter: federal prosecutors allege menendez and his wife

accepted bribes including cash, gold bars, and a mercedes to wield his influence for allies in the u.s. and egypt. >> among other actions, senator menendez allegedly provided sensitive, nonpublic u.s. government information to egyptian officials, and otherwise took steps to secretly aid the government of egypt. >> reporter: the senator seen here, traveled to egypt just last month. the powerful senator who chaired the foreign relations committee until he stepped down today also allegedly attempted to influence criminal investigations of two new jersey businessmen, one of whom was a longtime fundraiser for the lawmaker, and allegedly pressured the department of agriculture to help an associate maintain a monopoly on the importation of halal meat to the united states. federal agents searched the menendez home in june 2022, finding over $480,000 in cash. much of it stuffed into

envelopes and hidden in clothing, closets, and a safe. some envelopes were found inside jackets bearing menendez's name and hanging in his closet as seen in this photo from the indictment. the senator's previous corruption case ended in a mistrial in 2017. then a partial acquittal a year after that before all charges were dropped. menendez subsequently won re-election. >> i am so proud that new jerseyans rejected the politics of personal destruction and the false negative salacious ads. >> reporter: the white house today declined to comment. but new jersey governor phil murphy, a fellow democrat, along with congressman dean phillips, among those calling on menendez to resign. >> i don't care your politics, democrat or republican, you should be appalled. a member of congress who appears to have broken the law is someone who i believe should

resign. i think george santos should've resigned already. >> reporter: but the senator refusing to back down, saying, quote, i have been falsely accused before because i refused to back down to the powers that be and the people of new jersey were able to see through the smoke and mirrors and recognize i was innocent. the senator and his wife, along with their codefendants, are expected to appear in federal court next wednesday. today, the u.s. attorney said, though, this investigation is, quote, very much ongoing. erin? >> wow, and of course ongoing means there could be more than what we have already heard, to state the obvious, which is incredible. paula, thank you very much. "outfront" now, who was the manhattan district attorney for more than a decade. and our senior political analyst john avlon. i want to say the governor of new jersey calling for menendez to step down. but now we're seeing a flurry of others, the other two

congresspeople from new jersey. you're seeing a lot, and it's starting. can menendez survive the political pressure that he is clearly going to be under here? >> he can choose not to resign, but the details are so damning, and the democrats' response has been swift and decisive beginning with the governor. he's not going to have many allies in the democratic party or in his home state of new jersey. and that becomes almost untenable given the fact that he's got his own election coming up, and the contrast is very striking as well between how democrats are calling for him to resign when republicans have tip-toed around some of the indictments on their side of the aisle. so the pressure's going to be enormous. and while everyone's innocent until proven guilty. >> how much trouble do you think senator menendez is in based on what we know already? >> well, i think from the perception of the public, his

prior charges, which ultimately were dismissed, but alleged similar facts now followed by this indictment with very specific facts which are salacious, which are disturbing, and which i think the average person would have no tolerance for, i think he is in serious political trouble. but, of course, he is in serious legal trouble. the u.s. attorney's office has gone into great detail in terms of outlining the facts that relate to the sharing of information inappropriately with the government of egypt over sensitive matters, in addition to the possession of lots of cash and gold. there may be an innocent explanation for that. but it's never a good look for a politician to have hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash in gold in their apartment stuffed in their suits. so i think he's in real legal harm here. i agree that he is absolutely

presumed innocent, indictments are often striking in presentation of their facts. but, as the case unfolds many times those striking facts become better understood and less striking. but i think he's starting on his own. >> you talk about the detail with which all this is laid out, cy. just to go through some of this, the bars of gold. we're in 2023. bars of gold. 13 bars of gold, prosecutors say, were provided by fred daibes who is one of senator menendez's codefendants. they were found in 2022 in the search of menendez's home. so then the indictment says menendez searched, quote, how much is one kilo of gold worth the day after daibes' driver picked him up at the airport. and prosecutors then say this photo shows two gold bars that menendez's wife takes to a

jeweler with serial numbers indicating that daibes previously had possessed them. there's a ceserial number on th. first, did you ever think you'd see allegations like this against a sitting u.s. senator? and, by the way, can we just emphasize, the chair of the foreign relations committee. >> and that's what makes this so awful in addition to the fact he was indicted less than a decade ago. but gold bars? seriously, gold bars? i haven't heard of gold bars being passed around hanging out in the senators' offices. that's straight out of world war ii films. and then boat loads of cash in the linings of jackets. that fact pattern doesn't look good. it's hard to imagine. >> half a million dollars in cash in bribes. that's what the indictment alleges. and most of it was stuffed into

envelopes hidden in clothing. the jacket there bearing senator menendez's name, they say there was cash there. and they also say, cy, some of the envelopes had fingerprints and dna of daibes or his driver. so, cy, from the perspective of reading the indictment or some of these details, i know you said things come out in the wash, you learn more. but are you sort of stunned a bit at the detail that they've put in here? >> i'm not stunned at the detail they've put in here because there's really nothing inappropriate for federal prosecutor to put detail in their indictment. but they put it in there to make a point. and i think the point they're making is that this is a strong case. i am surprised, as i think we all are, that this is a second indictment of one of the most powerful senators in the united states at a time where the

honesty of our highest elected leaders is something we are all appropriately focused on. he could not have picked a worse time to be indicted, and the conduct is going to be very hard to explain as innocent. >> all right, well, thank you both very much. i appreciate it. and, next, nearly 9,000 border crossings in just 24 hours. tonight officials in texas are bracing for another wave of migrants. >> he says there's thousands of people coming behind him. >> thousands behind him. plus, a top ukrainian commander tells cnn in an exclusive interview that ukraine is about to have a major breakthrough. this after a massive strike on putin's black sea fleet today. and rock samples more than 4 billion years old are about to land in utah. and they could be crucial in stopping a giant asteroid from crashing into earth.

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town. ed lavandera is there live in eagle pass. and, ed, another endless flow of immigrants at the u.s./mexico border tonight. what are you seeing there right now? >> well, you know, today has been drastically different from what we've seen the last few days. there's been a significant drop in the number of crossings. i just spoke with the mayor a little while ago who said the crossings had been between 800 and 1,000 people today. the difference is dramatic on the other side. not a lot of people. and more of a mexican law enforcement and military presence on the other side that could be one of the reasons why we saw fewer people today. a small group of migrants scour the river bank searching for a safe place to slip through razor wire, their final obstacle in a months long journey to reach u.s. soil. a man carries a young boy on his shoulders leading a line of migrants crossing the rio

grande. he said we faint, we pass out, this is crazy but thank god we are here. >> reporter: jorge of venezuela tells me his family walked three months through mexico before crossing the river. he said we cross illegally because our children can't take it anymore, can't handle it anymore. eagle pass, texas, has been the flash point for a u.s. border crisis with no end in sight. for several days, thousands of people have turned themselves into u.s. authorities. but on this day, the scene is dramatically different. only a small number of migrants have crossed the river. >> people are frustrated. they're angry. this is not normal. >> reporter: eagle pass' mayor says city resources are strapped and claims that most of the migrants are processed and released. many go to large cities. >> we don't know where they're from, what their names are. >> reporter: where they're increasingly met with resistance and dwindling resources. >> imagine eagle pass, a town of 28,000 people with limited resources, what are we supposed

to do? fend for ourselves? we can't. >> with joe biden interfering with my efforts to secure the actual border. >> reporter: texas republican governor greg abbott has gone on the political offensive blaming the biden administration for the crisis. abbott is positioning his state as the only one stepping up posting a video on social media of state authorities standing in front of a migrant group. the governor writing, we are repelling illegal immigrants at the border, and writing we are refusing to let migrants in and sending them back. but the migrants in that video were not repelled from the border. we watched as they all eventually helped each other crawl underneath the razor wire and turn themselves into state authorities and border patrol agents. >> i am frustrated with everybody, with everybody. because, for me, it's about the river. >> reporter: jesse fuentes runs a kayak company. >> all these barriers, have they stopped them? have they stopped them?

no, sir. they haven't. until the problem is addressed, these people are coming over here for the american dream. >> reporter: local officials and border communities like eagle pass fear this latest migrant search is far from over. the mayor of eagle pass says federal authorities have told him 50 to 60,000 migrants are starting to make their way through southern mexico and that large groups of migrants are waiting for the trains in mexico moving north to start running again. jorge and his family arrive shaken and exhausted but with a clear eye of what they've seen along the way to make it this far. he says there's thousands of people coming behind him. >> reporter: and erin, so the question that many border officials along -- all along the u.s. southern border have tonight is just how long this surge is going to last. the mayor here in eagle pass is being told that there are tens of thousands of migrants in

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new tonight, breakthrough. that's according to the general oleksandr speaking with our fred pleitgen saying ukrainian forces have a breakthrough on the southern front. that comes as we are just getting this new video into cnn. this is the fighting on the front lines. and this is drone footage where ukrainian forces say they've literally been burning russian troops out of that forest that you see on your screen. general chernasky tells fred pleitgen that another breakthrough is coming as soon as ukraine pushes through the city of takmak which is right in the middle of the front lines. it is near russian occupied territory not far from crimea, which serves as a crucial base

for russian operations. and ukraine is stepping up attacks, hitting a major russian target today. the headquarters of russia's black sea fleet in crimea. if ukraine were to recapture crimea or halt russian operations there, obviously it would be an incredible turning point in this war. the general telling fred how important strikes like this are for the success of the counteroffensive. >> reporter: the destroyed commander means the destroyed command link. if there is no command, then there are no coordinated actions. >> our chief global affairs correspondent matthew chance is "outfront." >> reporter: ukraine's latest spectacular strike on occupied crimea caught on camera bypassersby. the smoke is billowing from the headquarters of russia's black sea fleet.

nice smoldering and in ruins. russian state media images show its blown out windows and collapsed roof. russia says five missiles were intercepted in the attack. there was no denying. explosions, explosions right here in the center of the city, says the woman recording this. she seems shocked but not surprised. for weeks now, ukraine has been stepping up strikes on targets in crimea, like this hit on a military shipyard earlier this month. badly damaging a russian surface vessel and a submarine being repaired. ukraine has also been degrading russian air defenses, destroying at least two sophisticated s-400

systems placed in crimea. another setback for russian forces. at sea, naval drones have targeted russian shipping. and ukrainian special forces have ceased control of strategic black sea oil and gas drilling platforms. crimea annexed by russia back in 2014 now appears firmly in ukraine's sights. well, erin, tonight, russia is counting the cost that that ukrainian missile strike on the headquarters of its black sea fleet. the russian defense ministry admits that at least one soldier is still missing, and it could be more than that. we're keeping an eye on those reports. and, of course, that historic building, the sort of monument to generations of russian naval power in crimea is tonight smoldering and in flames. >> all right, matthew chance,

thank you very much. and, now, retired army lieutenant general ben hodges. i very much appreciate your time. so, the general who is in charge of the counteroffensive now talking about breakthroughs. he also says that he doesn't think winter will slow down ukraine's advance. do you think that that optimism is realistic? >> well, erin, you and i have talked before about the decisive importance of crimea. that's what this counteroffensive is all about. we've been focused on the land portion. but what matt just described, of course, shows the sophistication of ukraine's counteroffensive, its air, land, sea, cyber, information and special forces. all of these things are being integrated putting enormous pressure on the russian general staff and giving ukraine the initiative. i think that the optimism that general childrenacity is

describing is well founded. the ukrainians have put so much pressure on russian logistics, russian artillery, and certainly this is in the year 2023, in this year we don't have horses pulling artillery. so, that's why the idea that we would stop or that they would stop in the winter, we don't have to have horses that eat the grass. so they're going to keep going. >> so, i mentioned you're talking about crimea. this is something by the way, general. if anyone doesn't know when they see you, this is something you have been pounding the table on from the very beginning, that crimea has to be a part of ukraine, right, and there are some who still think it's a red line. but you have been very adamant that it must happen. so there was that strike that matthew was just talking about on the russian black sea fleet in crimea. there have been several strikes there recently. but how effective is all this right now?

is it having an impact? >> well, first of all, you take out the headquarters there. so the command and control, the people, the staff that are required to make necessary decisions, a lot of reports today about who may have been lost in that actual strike. so that will have an impact. the strike on the dry dock the other day is really important. this is essential for a navy to be able to do maintenance on their ships. so the ukrainians went after the logistics, not only did they destroy a ship and a kilo class submarine, they went after the logistics. and you can see the sophistication of what they're doing taking out radar, taking out those oil and gas platforms, and then missiles and drones able to hit targets. these are all linked together in a very sophisticated way. >> and that obviously says a lot about how ukraine is handling and managing this, running this war, under such pressure after

so much time. thank you very much, general hodges. >> thanks for the privilege. and in russia tonight, also no apparent end to the ongoing plight of the american journalist wrongfully detained in russia evan gershkovich. a moscow court declining to hear an appeal against evan's pretrial detention. that detention just keeps getting extended because they're not giving an actual date for the trial. he is languishing inside moscow's prison where he's been held for nearly six months. we have the person working tirelessly to bring home americans wrongfully detained aboard. here he is just this week on the plane with the five americans held in iran after he secured their release. and here's another picture late last year on the plane with brittney griner after he helped bring her home from a russian penal colony. i very much appreciate your time. you fight these situations tirelessly. and it involves that because

it's years in so many cases. and i do want to ask you about those americans that you just brought back home from iran. but first, evan gershkovich been detained for nearly six months. now they won't even give a trial date. the white house has warned, in their words, that it could be, quote, tough to get him back. roger, are you worried it could be years before he's home? >> erin, thanks for having me over here to talk about this. i tend to be an optimist. my sense is that he's not going to be there for years. we have a way forward. we have an open channel with the russians to discuss this topic. the same channel that was successful in bringing brittney griner home, trevor reed. so we're going to find a way. the president and the secretary of state work hard on this. and the president's willing to make hard decisions to bring people back. so the question's not whether evan is coming back, the question is when. and to be honest, i also want to say we're still working hard on

paul whelan too. i had a chance to talk to elizabeth whelan two nights ago. >> and i think it's very significant what you just said. hopefully it's not going to be years when it comes to evan gershkovich. you mentioned elizabeth whelan, paul's sister, that you spoke with her. i spoke with her the other day. she has been very complementary of all the work that you and your team have done. but she does have frustration with some parts of this. she didn't get a chance to meet with president biden last week. he didn't have time while she was in washington. and she talked about that. she was very gracious. but she was frustrated. and here's what she said, roger. >> i'm a little frustrated and trying not to be depressed. i don't have a lot of leverage to use to get meetings like that. i'm not a big media company. i don't have a lot of expensive lawyers. i don't have a sports team. and, so, it's easy to wave off

someone like me. but i'm going to keep fighting for my brother regardless. >> what do you say to her, roger? >> i talk to elizabeth all the time. i think my office speaks to her pretty much daily. when we talk with elizabeth, we're open and honest on both sides. what i would say to elizabeth if she were here now, i'd say that we are working hard on this. but more importantly you don't have to be famous to get the u.s. government to get you everything it's got. you can be poor, rich, black, white, you can come from minot, north dakota, you can come from miami, florida. if you were held wrongfully by another country or taken hostage by a terrorist group, that's the only important thing that you hold a blue passport. if that's the case, your country is going to come and get you and bring you home. >> you did just bring home those five americans who were wrongfully obtained for more than five years. we've got the picture of you on the plane with them.

we've had some reporting that there was sort of delay after delay at the 11th hour. the iranians had trouble accessing the $6 billion in funds that were crucial to the agreement. they wanted to keep the americans longer, literally something that sounds so silly but can be culturally significant having lunch together at the airport in tehran, not getting out of the country. was there any point that you thought even if these final minutes that this was all going to fall apart? >> not really. i think abraham paley and i, we were dealing with some of these last-second challenges. we had no doubt how it was going to end. we actually expected even months if not years in advance knowing when this day came no matter how much you work to get the deal done, the iranians are going to throw in some curb balls at the last second. we knew this would happen so we really just tried to take a pause. abrams stuck to some principled diplomacy. and we just kind of stood our

ground and tried to be patient. and in doing so, qatar and the swiss were able to finalize the deal. we wouldn't get a lot of this done if it wasn't for our partners and allies like the south koreans, the uk, qatar, oman. while i may be the face of it at times, there are probably over a thousand people in the government that work on this and definitely partners, allies, journalists, believe it or not, ngos, congressmen, senators. i represent a huge team that tries to bring these people home. >> i appreciate your taking the time. >> thanks for letting me be on tonight. appreciate it. a high school student who survived that horrific and deadly bus crash said he woke up as he felt the bus tipping over. plus, scientists are trying to figure out if they can alter the course of a massive asteroid that could hit earth. sounds like the plot of a sci-fi movie. but this is real. and neil degrasse tyson joins me

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new tonight, federal officials just wrapping up a press conference in upstate new york on the deadly bus crash that killed two people and has five students still in critical condition. the lead investigator says they have not yet spoken to the driver. but a faulty tire may be one of several factors in the crash. he's also talking about what struck him as he surveyed the

crash site. >> the way i would describe it is that there was intrusion into the occupant space on the left side, the side that it rolled onto. so any time that there is intrusion into your survivable space of a vehicle, that's i would say a cause for concern. as i walked around it, that's what shook me the most i think. >> "outfront" now, one of the students who was on the bus that crashed, anthony eugenio. i really appreciate you being with us. i'm so glad you're okay and glad to be able to talk to you. i know it's got to be even hard to process your thoughts about this. i know you were sleeping on the bus. was there a moment where you realized that there was something that was horribly wrong? >> yeah. when i woke up, i woke up to the sound of the bus hitting the guardrail. and then right after that it started to roll down. >> i mean, are you even able now

to remember how you felt or -- first of all, you're coming out of being asleep. but then that something so horrific is actually happening to you. what did you feel at that moment? >> i thought i was dreaming. when it was rolling around, it felt like how when you get stuck under a wave in the ocean. because i had my hood over my face and i couldn't see anything. >> wow. in a sense, maybe you thought you were dreaming for a moment. what was happening inside in those moments? i'm sure other people had fallen asleep like you. some people were probably awake. were people screaming, and did you literally roll to the top of the bus? what do you even remember about that? >> i couldn't even see where i was. and i don't remember if people were screaming. but people were definitely

screaming. >> how are you able to even get out of the bus? i don't know if you just heard the federal official there he was talking, anthony, about when he looked at it, how struck he was by the fact that the earth, the trees was in the bus, right? it went into where people were. obviously people did die. two people died. how were you even able to get out of the bus when it stopped rolling? >> there was a space between the windows and the ground. so i was able to drop safely from the bus to the ground, and then walk around it. >> and was there a moment where you just realized, okay, i'm okay here and obviously at that moment you're realizing i'm sure, anthony, that there are many people who were not okay. >> there were a lot of people that were hurt bad. i was freaking out. but i wanted to help people. and then i just got safely any

way i could. >> and i know your band director gina pellettiere was killed, beatrice ferrari you've known her retired teacher, helping chaperone the trip, were killed. i know that you'd already had a big impression made on you by ms. pellettiere who leaves behind a young child. why was she so important to you? and i know you'd only known her for a short time. but what was it about her that was special? >> i've only been in marching band for, like, two weeks. but she loved marching band. she looked forward to teaching kids every day. she was the nicest teacher ever. and marching band just won't be the same without her. >> well, anthony, i hope that you continue to play. i know it's the baritone. and i know this is going to be a hard thing for a very long time for you and all of your friends.

i appreciate your taking the time to talk to me about what you went through. thank you. >> no problem. >> anthony eugenio is a student at farmingdale. and, next, what does neil degrasse tyson think about that video of supposed aliens out of mexico? he's my guest next. and a potential peace deal between two longtime enemies, israel and saudi arabia. >> this is an amazing change. and i'm always careful about these things. i never exaggerate. at farmers, we offffer both quality insurance and great savings. (crorowd cheers) here, take mine. (farmers mnemoninic) think hairspray's stuck in one dimension? think again. flex any style... with hairspray that fl. new tresmé hairspray.

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years. nasa hopes this sample will help them learn more about asteroids. out front now, neil degrasse tyson. he just wrote his latest book "to infinity and beyond: a journey of cosmic discovery." neil, obviously i relish all of our conversations. so, you've got this asteroid, and, you know, it's incredible, all the math of it. we get on there, you get a little piece of rock, and they brought it home. so, what can a scientist actually learn from this 4.5 billion-year-old rock that's about to land in utah? >> well, what we don't know for sure, when you think we would, but we just don't, is what's the structural integrity of asteroids? only recently, in recent decades, did we learn some of them might be rubble piles gathered together that are masquerading as a solid object. others are loosely held

together. this matters because if you want to deflect an asteroid that might be headed your way and you nudge one part of it and it doesn't have the structural integrity to stay together, you can end up breaking off a piece and your mission would then fail. so, by looking at what the material contents of binu is through this example return -- which, by the way, we just have to pray that this is working, okay? i've got to say, we've launched o'cyrus, this mission, seven years ago from a moving platform, earth, intersected a moving target, binu, an asteroid. it did a touch and go, grabbed material, came back to earth -- >> it's incredible. >> -- deployed that capsule, and it keeps going, is going to visit more asteroids. and people are saying, i don't trust science, science this. i it's, like, do you know what we do? do you have any idea? >> it's pretty incredible. there's also, oh, my gosh, we

can do that, and what a mess we make of much more simple things here at home, right? >> yes. >> ok. so, if binu does hit earth -- and obviously we can talk about odds. but if it were to, you're talking about something 22 times -- is that what i said? 22 times -- 22 atomic bombs. let me make sure i say it exactly correctly. what would something like that do to earth? >> well, it's not an extinction level hit. if it hits a city, that's really bad. but we would have some good idea of that well in advance. by the way, as we get closer to 2182, these odds will improve, improve in the sense that it'll either go to zero or go to certainty. it's not going to still dangle in is it or is it not. so, that's an important first point. so, if we know that it's going to hit, we know where it's going to hit. if it hits a city, it takes out the city completely. but most of earth is not city, and most of land is not

occupied. so, my fear is that if it hits the ocean, then you've got a tsunami that could take out an entire coastline. ot otherwise, it would destroy a county's worth of land. >> i hope everybody will get your book. you talk about parallel worlds, black holes, time travel, all these questions people have. one thing that a lot of people are talk about lately, and nasa has ahead of ufos. congress has a hearing on ufos. so, people are talking about ufos and aliens in a more serious way than being on front of the national inquirer the way it used to be. -- in front of the congress in mexico. each with three-fingered hands and elongated heads. before we all mock the video --

because it's got ain lot of mocking. nasa just announced a director of research on ufos. so, they are taking this overall topic more seriously. what's your take on this? >> well, first of all, i like what they did in mexico. they had what they claimed are alien bodies. they brought it out in front of their congress. that's better than leaving them in a locked box and saying, you and no one else can get to see them. that's a start. but in science, a new truth, an objective truth is only established when multiple labs can analyze whatever your claim is. when we brought rocks back from the moon, we distributed them to all the labs of the world. so, everybody participated in that discovery. so, here, bring on samples to others and let other people, skeptical people, in other labs test this. verify it or falsify it, and we move on. >> what was your reaction when you saw the images? >> i was surprised because there's -- if they're from another planet, why do they look so human?

they have two eyes, a nose, a mouth, shoulders, hips, femur, ribs? why? most life on earth shares dna in common with us, looks nothing like us. so, that was my first thought. second, any corpses or mummified remains, there is no bone in your nose. it's an open hole into your skull. these aliens have intact noses, okay, if indeed that is their nose. i'm not for sure. so, that's odd after 2,000 years to still have a nose with two cavities in it. so plus that's odd. but they should share it. that's how we determine what is true and what is not. >> all right. neil, thanks so much. great to talk to you. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. and next, the prime minister benjamin netanyahu of israel says israel is getting closer every day to a major deal with saudi arabia. and that story is next.

tonight, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu saying his country is at the cusp of striking a deal with saudi arabia. telling kaitlan collins such an unlikely deal could happen. >> how close are you today? >> closer than we were yesterday. >> do you feel that a deal is likely? >> i think it's -- i think it's

possible. i think it's likely because i think israel, saudi arabia, and the united states share a common goal, to change history, to make this quantum leap, another quantum leap for peace. we had one with the abraham accords with the united states. and we now have an opportunity with united states to change the middle east forever, to create -- not only to bring down the walls of enemies, but also to create a corridor of energy pipelines, fiberoptic cables between asia through saudi arabia, georgia, and israel, and the united arab emirates. this is an amazing change. and i'm always careful about these things. i never exaggerate. i think this is a pivot of history. >> you can watch the rest of the interview tonight on "the source" with kaitlan collins at 9:00 eastern. and thanks so much for joining us. have a great weekend. it's time now for "ac 360.