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with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. tonight, another bite. cnn learning that president biden's german shepherd bit another secret service agent working at the white house. it is the 11th known biting incident involving the 2-year-old dog. one officer was hospitalized after commander clamped down on arms and thighs and before that he charged at another and first lady jill biden couldn't, quote, regain control of the dog. the white house said that the bidens were getting more training for the dog but the sharp bite runs in the family. the president's other german shepherd major was moved out of the white house after several biting incidents of his own. don't know what will happen here but some of these are serious. thanks for joining us.
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"ac 360" begins right now. tonight on "360" in a move that could end leathe trump organization, they were found liable on a massive scale. capitol chaos. house republicans doing one thing, the senate doing another and everything up in the air with the government shutdown now just five days away. a view you haven't seen before inside a new york migrant shelter. part of a system that is strained to the breaking point. good evening, thanks for joins us and breaking news, a new york judge's determination that donald trump with the help of his sons eric and don junior built his business empire on fraud. that's in the wake of another judge finding that he also sexually assaulted writer e. jean carroll in addition to four state and federal indictments and 91 felony counts in new york, georgia, florida and the district of columbia.
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today's summary judgment amplifying, underscoring and laying out in great detail what former trump attorney and fixture michael cohen admitted in testimony back in 2019. >> to your knowledge did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenues? >> yes. >> and was that done with the president's knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with the knowledge and at the direction of mr. trump. >> so that's one way of describing it. the judge in his ruling puts it more vividly comparing the trump fraud defense to a chico marx line in "duck soup." well, you who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes. what's in this ruling? >> reporter: yeah, this is a huge loss for donald trump, for his family and his family business. the judge finding that he engaged in fraud for a decade by
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inflating the value of some of his marquee properties on financial statements provided in a number of business tr transactions. the judge saying that donald trump's explanation for how he came up with the values for some of his assets, he called it a fantasy world not the real world. specifically he singled out trump's apartment at trump tower here in manhattan. trump had inflated the value of that property including just the mere square footage by three times. something that he did acknowledge and the judge saying that that massive discrepancy could only mean fraud. now, he also said that he was ordering that certificates of business to operate in new york state be canceled and that he would put in place a receiver to dissolve the business. exactly what that will look like remains unclear at this point. there's a lot of confusion even among the parties about how that will play out but could significantly reshape what the trump organization looks like and whether it has a footprint in new york city. >> what does that mean for the business in new york city?
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is he out of business in new york? there's still a lot of buildings with his name on it. >> reporter: yeah, and people are trying to figure out what this means, because the trump organization is essentially 400 different llcs and all for each of the properties that he owns. the new york state attorney general would have jurisdiction over those in new york so it's possible the way that this shakes out is that there will no longer be a trump tower owned by donald trump or the seven springs family compound in westchester county. but there are still questions here about what that will look like, you know, is it possible he could transfer these assets out of state? there are questions that people are trying to grapple with and the trump organization, you know, itself is trying, i think to get their hands on what this will mean for them. >> had the former president and or sons responded? >> reporter: yeah, so his son eric trump who essentially leads the company on a day-to-day basis said both the judge and attorney general are trying to destroy their company. now, trump's attorney who is
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representing him in the action said today's outrageous decision is completely disconnected from the facts and governing law. the full impact remains unclear. what is clear 'em president trump and his family will seek all appellate remedies to rectify this miscarriage of justice already appealing before the appeals court the start of the trial because they think the judge has not intimated what claims would be covered about i this so they are hoping that the appellate court will narrow even the scope of what the judge overseeing this case saying that certain claims fell outside of the statute of limitations and expecting the appellate court to rule on that but as of now this trial is still in limbo but is currently scheduled to start on monday. >> kara scannell, thank you. elie honing and david axelrod and host of "the source," kaitlan collins and trump biographer david cay johnston. how rare is a ruling like this?
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>> it's extraordinary. summary judgment is what it is and the judge decided the facts are so extreme i'm deciding in favor of the plaintiff, in favor of the attorney general. it's not even going to a jury on the question of whether donald trump and the trump organization were engaged in repetitive frauds. that's the judge's finding. it's a scorching ruling. the judge outright rejects all of the defenses we've heard from donald trump over the years. the main one being subjectivity. well, your honor, trump's team argued there's always an argument of subjectivity but not to this extent, the judge said and donald trump inflated his values by hundreds of percents. >> what would it look like. >> they'll want to get a stay, okay, judge, we know as of now the business certificate is suspended. we want you to put that on hold while we appeal then donald trump will have the right to appeal this up to the intermediate new york state court and then potentially the top appeals court in new york. that will take months but that stay is going to be a key issue because that will determine
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whether he can stay in business as of the next couple of weeks, years, months. >> david, this strikes at the heart of the perception of donald trump among many people is that he was this jeenz businessman and, you know, according to there was fraud involved. do you think it has the same impact these other indictments have had, boosting his support among his support jers. >> yeah, till i see evidence otherwise. i would guess -- i don't know if it will boost support among his supporters but he created a construct under which his supporters believe he is being unfairly targeted. he will argue that i did nothing that any other businessman would have done but they're coming after me for the same reasons, he says, they're coming after him on all these other cases and i suspect with his supporters, it will land that way. i mean, you know, you got to step back, whatever you think about donald trump and his ability to brand himself is breathtaking. and history will record that. i mean, so he has sold people on
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this narrative. it will be hard to dislodge it no matter what a judge writes. >> are you hearing anything? >> it's a devastating blow to them. his attorneys had been trying in recent days all these maneuvers that were seen as hail marys but were trying to get to when it went to dial scheduled till next monday they would have a different judge or get it thrown out. this clearly was a rebuke of that and i think, you know, obviously they're angry, his attorney says they'll appeal but what's at the heart of it, we talk about so many of the trump investigations, if this stands, if that appeal is not granted and they do not win out here, this is the first time we've seen a government investigation result in some kind of punishment for him. he's facing all these other criminal counts that are serious and it cuts at who donald trump says he is. >> tony, you helped create a lot of that myth of who donald trump is. working with him all those years ago in "the art of the deal" did
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you get of whiff of fraud in terms how he handled his real estate? >> absolutely, and i've said it many times, but he invents reality every day to fit what he wants it to be. and he has demeaned the value of truth in a way that has gotten not just has he been able to brand himself as david said but all kinds of follow-alongs and imitators who are now doing the same. so i -- this is who he is. he is a congenital liar. he is a sociopath in the sense that he doesn't have a conscience so this doesn't bother him at all. this is the donald trump i met. this is the donald trump who existed at 10 years old and it's the donald trump of today. >> david cay johnston, as someone who followed and investigated trump's finances for years, how significant is this in your mind especially as
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trump's team argued, you know, the property valuations are subjective. >> well, as of this moment, donald trump is out of business in new york because all of his business certificates, business licenses in effect have been canceled. but the decision by the judge is devastating. he finds five trump lawyers, $7500 each and shows that they told the court, various court decisions they -- statutes say one thing and the judge says, no, you either quit the quote or misstated the law to say the opposite and doesn't give them a single bit of ground anywhere and he shows examples of where trump said, well, you know, this was sort of a range of numbers or a rounded number. he goes, no, when you value something at a quarter billion dollars more than the reasonable number that would have been a small fraction of that, that's not reasonable. so, this is absolutely devastating for donald trump and unless a court of appeals overturns this, which i would
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think highly unlikely we're going to see his properties seized, dissolved and the creditors paid off and he will be permanently out of business in new york. >> so, david, what exactly does that mean? so trump tower, which, i guess he owns that would no longer be trump tower? >> well, it may be called trump tower but, you know, in new york state, you can go into business as an individual, i write books if are a living as tony does under my own name but if i incorporated and became david cay johnston llc, i have to have permission from the state and the judge has destroyed all of those licenses so donald unless a court of appeals reinstates it cannot do business, he's no longer in business in new york state and eventually those businesses would be dissolved just as would happen in a bankruptcy case where there is a liquidation. you pay off the creditors and any fines the judge ultimately
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finds due to the state of new york would come out of those proceeds and a key point the judge makes is this is not about restitution, this is about discouragement of ill got gains. you lied in the assessments that you used, the financial statements that you used and that made you money and that's -- he cites criminal law but this is a civil case. >> well, elie, let me ask, why would this be charged as a civil case and not a criminal case considering fraud that was laid out. >> great question and i was wondering the same thing. when you talk about fraud of ten times the value, you have to wonder. if i had to get inside the attorney general letitia james' head and d.a.'s head, the problem they would have it's not a technical problem but atmospheric problem there is not an obvious victim. typically in a fraud case you lie to a bank and don't pay them back. the conundrum trump did generally pay these back with interest, so you can still
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charge that as a criminal fraud but a prosecutor thinking, how is this going to play with the jury? it doesn't have as much appeal without a victim. >> david, does this create any kind of -- does it change the dynamic for, you know, president biden in terms of how he runs against -- i mean, he's already been accused of fraud multiple times. i remember mike bloomberg at the democratic convex, you know, calling him a fake billionaire or words to that effect. >> look, the one thing we haven't seen is if in the coming months there are criminal convictions and he is a convicted felon, does that change people's view? but, you know, this campaign goes on in stages and what we've seen is, as you pointed out earlier with each legal setback, he gains politically and he is a very strong position and the irony of all of this is he goes on trial on march 4th on the january 6th case. they say they'll go eight weeks. look at the primary calendar.
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he could literally be named the nominee of the republican party and a convicted felon on the same day. >> tony, how much do you think this undermines the former president's persona as a real estate tycoon? >> we're so polarized now that i think as david is saying, for those who believe trump as being treated badly they'll continue to feel that and for the rest of us, we will continue to believe that this is one more piece of evidence about who he is. it is a -- it gives new meaning to the word surreal to imagine what david just said, that on the same day you could have a criminal conviction and the crowning of him as the republican candidate for president. i mean, i don't -- i don't see how in a world where trump ends up winning -- losing in some of these case, being convicted and
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also becoming president where democracy -- >> david cay johnston, is it clear what sort of shape the trump organization is in right now? you said all those llcs are null, but just even before this, while -- over the last year or so, do you know how it's been doing? >> well, trump has made the argument that he's paid his bills on time, and that none of the banks have lost money and the judge points out that's an irrelevancy to the case. when i teach my law students about this i will say it's like you embezzled money at the bank and made winning bets and put the money back doesn't undo your crime. we don't know. the monitor reports should tell us about this and the values that are received for his properties, we can be certain are going to be significantly
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below donald's claims and just keep in mind there has never been a scintilla of evidence that donald trump ever had a billion dollar net worth. >> and kaitlan, one does have to sort of pause and think, you know, the strange universe we live in so a judge has found him guilty of sexual assault, a judge has now found him guilty of this massive fraud and he's facing, you know, all these criminal counts. it's extraordinary. >> well, we talk so much about the big investigations, when will the court, when will the trials happen? if he is convicted would he actually face jail time? what does that look like and how does it factor into his presidency? this is the most immediate threat he's facing and strikes right at the heart he cares about the most, his money. if this is still going, the judge is saying the core of this holds up that it is right it will till go to trial. what if there is a cash judgment? what does that mean?
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could he end up declaring bankruptcy? we don't know and that could be something that happens way before anything with the federal cases. >> could his pac pay off this money? >> yeah, someone can help you pay a judgment. i don't know whether that would violate campaign finance laws. it probably would to transfer money to an individual in order to pay a legal judgment. i imagine that would violate campaign finance laws, but this judgment here if and when there is a judgment, it doesn't depend on a loss to the banks, it's ill-gotten gains, it could be $250 million or more. >> i don't know that trump has that. >> david cay johnston, do you think he has that. >> no, i don't think he's liquid in that way. he has raised money and he has funds where there's upon but you personally can't have that kind of cash, no. this is sort of the end of the story. we gain with tony schwartz because he wrote "the art of the deal" for donald and in the book he describes one fraud after another in that book, which none
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of the reviewers at the time seemed to catch on to. this is how donald has done business his whole life. he is the most successful con man in world history. >> david cay johnston, tony schwartz, elie honig, kaitlan collins, special guest michael cohen, very good booking. the state of chaos with the government shutdown coming and house speaker mccarthy still trying to bring his own members in line. and what cassidy hutchinson told jake tapper about the threat her old boss would pose to the country if he's re-elected president. the new book ahead on "360."
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the senate slowly begins moving legislation to head off a government shutdown with house speaker mccarthy trying to get hard-liners to get him mo move at all. the deadline, sunday morning, 12:01. melanie zanona is at the capitol right now. what do we know about where things stand in the house tonight including the threats to speaker mccarthy's job? >> reporter: house republicans just moved to advance a package of long-term spending bills. this was a routine procedural vote and normally possibly wouldn't talk about it but it is important because last week a similar vote failed twice on the house floor, so speaker kevin mccarthy was under a lot of pressure to show he can govern with his house republicans, but we should note that none of those spending bills that i
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mentioned are going to pass the senate. speaker mccarthy is still hoping this process can build some good will with the hard-liner conservatives who are opposed to some of their spending bills and will eventually rally around the stopgap plan to keep the government open that includes some conservative priorities like spending cuts and border security but so far, none of those members are showing that they're willing to give in. i caught up with a number of them and that includes congressman matt gaetz who took to the house floor once again to threaten mccarthy's speakership tonight. in fact, he's walking up right now. he hasn't said when he will issue that motion to vacate but it's clear that kevin mccarthy has a lot on the line this week. >> how does this all square with what's going on in the senate? >> reporter: they're on a collision course. over in the senate chuck schumer, the democratic leader and mitch mcconnell the republican leader have agreed on their own stopgap plan that would keep the government open for about 45 days that includes around $6 billion in ukraine money. they have taken steps to start advancing that bill. but house republicans are
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already padding it. they don't like that it includes even a modest amount of ukraine money and they're also signaling tonight that any bill to fund the government will have to include border security provisions. that has emerged as a read line on the eve of this shutdown deadline so clearly it is going to be a showdown between the house and senate. >> what's 9 likelihood of a shutdown? >> reporter: i would say the question bouncing around the capitol is not if there's going to be a government shutdown, it's how long is that government shutdown going to last? and that is because there are just so many factors up against the leadership. the first one being the clock. obviously these things take time if you're trying to balance a bill back and forth between the house and senate it's not a quick process and only have a couple days to do that the other big factor kevin mccarthy at this point won't work with democrats because he's worried about threats to his speakership but also can't work with his own republican members so he's really at a crossroads and ultimately for kevin mccarthy it may come down to choosing
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between keeping the government open or keeping his speakership, anderson. >> melanie, thank you. before air time i spoke with congresswoman nicky sheryl, a democrat from new jersey, a member -- mikey, excuse me, from the armed services committee and former navy helicopter pilot. >> congresswoman how confident are you that a shutdown can be averted? >> well, you know, i'm not incredibly confident. i'm very hopeful. we see the senate republicans and the senate democrats working together. we know the house democrats are ready to avert a shutdown. i think the concern is just the fact that the speaker is -- has pretty much determined that he is going to follow the lead of the far right extremists in his own conference which is presenting grave problems to keep the government open. >> he could go around the handful by working with democrats to pass a bipartisan stopgap. do you think he would sheriff do
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that. >> one would hope he would consider for than his job. as speaker of the house, i hope he's concerned about governing and very concerned about keeping our government open, unfortunately, former president trump has encouraged members to shut down the government. we see the far right, many of whom have said they don't seem to care about keeping government open. they don't want to compromise. it's really leading to an untenable situation for the speaker so hopefully he will realize that shortly and we can start to work together to keep our government open. >> you just mentioned what's going on in the senate, the short-term funding deal that schumer and mcconnell agreed to. senator rand paul is already threatening to tank it if ukraine funding stays in. speaker mccarthy says he's going to add in the gop's border security package if and when the senate bill goes to the house. where do you think that leaves things in the senate? >> you know, i think this is --
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so, such a misreading by people in our legislative branch about how important the ukrainian funding is. it's surprising to me because i sit on the house armed services committee. i sit on the committee for the strategic competition with the chinese communist party. i work with the intelligence committee. i work with foreign affairs committee. so many people in that space understand how important this fight in ukraine is. not just to the sovereignty and democracy of ukraine itself but as we push back against our long-term adversary putin who is continuing to try to undermine the united states as we know that china is taking a hard look at invading taiwan and what that might mean advice a very this is going and as our nato allies come together to fend it off. it's critically important that we support the ukrainians in their fight here. >> you were one of the first to call on senator bob menendez, a
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fellow new jersey democrat, to resign in the wake of the corruption indictment, something that menendez has said he's not going to do. senator cory booker is also calling on him to resign. are you leaning toward running against menendez in the next primary? >> no, i'm really focused on running for my seat here in the house as you can see this week, it's critically important, i think, that we have new leadership in the house of representatives which i hope we'll see after '24 and in the meantime, work very hard to figure out pathways forward in these partisan times. >> when you heard him say his explanation for why he had close to half a million dollars in cash at his home saying it was an old-fashioned habit from his family's days in cuba, didn't explain the gold bars or mercedes convertible, did you buy that? >> i think there was a lot left to be desired with that explanation and i think he should resign his seat, focus on
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his defense and we can move forward with what's best for the people of new jersey and for the united states. >> congresswoman sherrill, i appreciate your time, thank you. >> thanks so much. up next cassidy hutchinson once the top aide now indicted former chief of staff mark meadows with new revelations about the final chaotic days inside the trump white house.
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when cassidy hutchinson testified before the house january 6th adam it became clear just how much she saw from her vantage point as a top aide to chief of staff mark meadows. now with the publication of her book "enough," that window into a chaotic unhinged unprecedented moment opened wider. in it she writes that meadows
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said if he could manage to keep trump out of jail i'll have done a good job. speaking today with "the lead's" jake tapper she spoke about what it was like in the west wing and why the former president should never be president again. >> especially in the trump administration and in 2020, every day was a hair on fire day. we were swimming to stay afloat but most of us were drowning and i think that donald trump is the most grave threat that we will face to our democracy in our lifetime and potentially in american history. >> when he says things like he did on truth social the other day that he wants to curtail freedom of the press for certain channels and that sort of thing, you take him literally. you think he actually means it and in a second term he would do that. >> i think that donald trump in a second term does not have any -- would not have guardrails. >> perspective from hann
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hannamuldaven. do you have similar concerns about a second trump term having no guardrails? >> i do because i think one of the things cassidy, myself and i think other people who worked for trump and have come out and spoken out against him get asked often is, well, why did you work for him in the first place and i felt a sense of duty to serve my country even though i didn't always necessarily agree with everything he said 100% of the time. but i think i'm so concerned with who is going to be staffing a donald trump administration if he gets back into the white house. the quality of people because that is something that cassidy has been raising the alarm about as well. who is going to be advising him and surrounding him and helping him make these decisions? i think they're encouraging his worst instincts and he has shown that he has no regard for the constitution or the institutional norms of the office and he shouldn't be allowed to step foot into the oval office. >> if you don't have quality people around you there are a lot more hair on fire days as
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cassidy hutchinson described it. did you have those days? >> oh, yes, i mean i was in the communications office working for him as a deputy press secretary and so, you know, in one tweet he could ruin our whole day that we had planned of positive communication plans and that was the norm though and so i can't even imagine what a second term for him would be like just given everything that's happened since he left office. >> hanna, you helped prep cassidy hutchinson for the january 6th committee. could you talk about a little, was she already having misgivings? what did you make of her then. >> i worked with sarah as well when she came to the committee and cassidy was incredibly poised. i think when you saw her when she was on testifying to 13 million americans for that hearing, but beforehand, she was nervous. she had a lot of facts that she had to get right and keep straight and what we know she did keep those straight. we as the committee stand by her testimony, we talked or tried to
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talk to many men that either pled the fifth to us or didn't come in and talk to us at all, her boss mark meadows is one of them. we found him in contempt of congress but she was nervous leading up to it. i as a young woman was impressed with how she came off. >> she had a trump paid attorney initially, who according to the book advised her, you know, the less you say, the better essentially. she writes that she had started to try to back channel stuffer to the committee, can you talk about that? >> liz cheney was the key to this committee. she provided legitimacy when it comes to the nonpartisan investigation because she's obviously a well-known republican. she also was a great person to talk to these republicans who might want to reach out, feel more comfortable with a republican like liz cheney who really bucked her party to talk to the january 6th committee. so when cassidy was going through these she spoke i think about this today.
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she felt that it was wrong inside of her but as a young person in washington it's hard to know what to do all the time and liz cheney provided that avenue for her and i think for others that testified to the committee as well. >> i would like to note as well that i had a similar experience with liz cheney and she did give me that comfort to be able to come forward. she actually contacted me through someone and asked if i would be willing to speak knowing that i had resigned and if i would be interested in cooperating with the committee. she had a private one-on-one convo where we sat in her hideaway in the capitol in the basement of the capitol building for around four hours and talked to me about what i knew, what i had witnessed and from that conversation i went forward and did a taped deposition with the committee which obviously led to me then publicly testifying so i think for, you know, someone like myself a young woman at the time when i testified i was 27 years old, cassidy was 25 years old, i believe when she testified and i think that liz cheney really empowered us to
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have the courage to come forward, just knowing the backlash that we were going to face but she really was, i think, a huge reason for both of us for why we did it. >> i want to play something else that cassidy hutchinson said to jake because she believes the former president knew exactly what he was saying and doing on january 6th. let's watch this. >> donald trump also knows the impact his words have and he knows the impact his presence has on his supporters. he knows that he himself riles people up. he knew that the crowd was armed that day. he knew that there were people angry about this. so knowing donald trump, knowing what i knew inside the white house, that was not a mistake. he did not want to just go to the capitol to go there and make a little speech and go back to the white house. >> which is interesting because i mean when he now posts, you know, saying rile will go people up about the judges in the various cases against him or about jack smith, it's -- i mean he obviously knows the potential impact of the words he uses.
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>> 100% and i think he learned nothing from january 6th and if anything, it just emboldened him to continue to try to use his supporters in a way that's dangerous and i think i've been to so many trump rallies when i worked for him he knows how to fire up a crowd and exactly what to say that will, you know, kind of light that fuse and i think that that's really dangerous when he knows the power he has and his posts have only gotten more increasingly erratic. >> sarah matthews, thank you so much and hannah, you as well. a surge of migrants arriving in new york city all in need of housing and support that caused paige issues for local officials. our shimon prokopecz shows us what they face when they get here next.
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last night we brought you striking images of a camp in central america. still thousands of miles from the u.s. but hoping to ultimately cross the southern border. this was the morning then they set out for one of the most dangerous areas toward the border, a stretch between columbia known as the dearrien gap. according to data for august collected by syracuse university, new york dealt with more than twice the number of migrant cases as the next most inundated city. our shimon prokopecz spent a day with some of the migrants as
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they try to figure out what is next. >> reporter: wearing a new york baseball hat jorge describes a treacherous journey to the united states from ecuador. [ speaking non-english ] through rivers and over mountains, he says, now finally ending in new york. >> this is your son. >> a clean bed, new clotel and a hot meal for his family. his children alejandro and georgina finished their first week in a new york city school. for you, cookies. "we're happy with everything here," he says. >> happy? you going to eat? >> reporter: after mayor eric adams said the migrant crisis would describe new york city, this is another side where they are doing a lot of intake. cnn spent 24 hours at the main migrant intake facility. it was a nonstop operation at the roosevelt hotel.
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outside it's shocking, the number of people even for a city like new york. it's something you don't expect to see, just a stone's throw from grand central station in the beating heart of midtown manhattan. migrant families who just arrived wait for a place inside. single men wait next door in what was once the hotel bar. what kind of job? >> everything. >> are these the phones they use inside? sim cards? this is giancarlo, he has spent ten days in a room with his wife and two children. tonight he is trying to buy a new cell phone. how do they get the phones? it will cost $20 to replace the one he lost three weeks ago crossing the rio grande in texas. along with all of his family's clothes and belongings.
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"i need a phone so i could get w work," he says. they all ask me to leave a phone number and i don't have one so i need this. it's very hard. how has it been here? [ speaking non-english ] >> air-conditioninging. they give you a big tv and a bed? [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: it's good but what i want the most is a job. with your own job you can make your own money. that's what you want? >> yes. >> reporter: in the afternoon luis flores approached us ready to talk to anyone that would listen. >> from venezuela. >> okay. >> reporter: he spent the last few nights sleeping on the street with his wife as they traveled to this facility.
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for how many days? he says he's sick and came here because he thought they could get medical care and a job. for now like thousands before him at this new ellis island he joins the line at the roosevelt hoping to go inside and begin receiving city services. so this is the entrance where many of the migrants when they arrive, this is where they come through, coming up these stairs and into this hall area where they wait to be processed. >> we're going to offer you toad and water right away, a hot meal can go a long wall. >> reporter: this man is proud of the operation the city established. >> everything we've developed in new york city is to meet the needs that were not met for people coming from texas so far. so, here whether it's screening for communicable disease, if you're a pregnant woman giving you prenailal care or screening you for the mental health conditions you might have like depression we do it here because
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it's not done before here. >> reporter: it catches your eyes to see so many kids running through the halls of the roosevelt hotel. almost like a playground. so many kids, the city says 20,000 migrant children have come through new york so far. why did you come to america? this woman is 23 years old escaping violence in ecuador. she came here for her daughter mia born with a physical disability. how are you feeling? [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: she says she's happy she's here now and scared to go back to ecuador. i'm afraid that my daughter will die there if she can't get medical attention. i need a place to stay. i think they're going to help me. >> good luck, okay? >> reporter: it's good news for lady and maya. they're being moved to a shelter as this group leaves, another is
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already shuffling in behind them. 116,000 have come to new york city since the spring of 2022, city officials say. and it's a reminder that the flow of migrants doesn't stop. >> the burden on new york city is too much quite honestly, we're past our breaking point. >> reporter: among those just arriving, luis flores. we met him outside and his wife. they now have seats inside. it's a dream come true, he says. took them 2 1/2 months to come to this country through the border and now he's just hoping to give his family a better life and they've been sitting here for several days waiting for the next steps and the next process. this is your wife, yes? [ speaking non-english ] >> how are you doing? [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: irma linda tells us
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it was their dream to come to the united states and she doesn't want to lose her husband. now that they've finally made it. as we leave, luis speaks directly into our camera. i just want to work, he says. these are the hands of a worker. [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: for some who have just arrived exhaustion bursts into emotion. for others there is newfound hope. giancarlo is now grinning ear to ear as he holds his 1-year-old daughter outside the hotel. so we were with giancarlo last night. he had been here for a couple -- for a short time and today he was told and given a new location with his two kids and his wife and they've been given a metro card and given the location and told to take the train but they really have no idea how to get there or what they're doing so what they'll do is they'll take their two daughters and his wife and get on the subway and head into queens. for me to see you smiling with
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everything going on it's incredible. [ speaking non-english ] "yes, and when i get a job i'll be even happener." he says new york is better than anywhere else they've been. i'm smiling, he says. i've got to smile so i don't cry. >> i'm joined by our senior correspondent shimon prokopecz. the asylum process takes a long time. >> many of the migrants don't even know they need to complete paperwork. >> they can't work legally here during that whole process. >> during the whole process. they get paroled, right. they're here but have to file for a work permit and all of that tanks time and what the city is trying to do, once these migrants come into the system they're trying to tell them you need to fill out this paperwork. this is what you need to do. there's a number of them that don't know the process and so they're trying to obviously
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educate them and tell them to fill out the forms, get going. the other thing they're doing which is interesting, if some of these migrants have family members in the united states, they're trying to sort of urge them to go and stay with these family members. they're offering travel to pay for their travel. other things to try to get them out of the system and say that's actually starting to work. they're seeing about a quarter of the people who have come into their system now coming out because of family members and other ways to try to live on their own. >> shimon prokopecz, appreciate it. coming up next, another "360" exclusive. who is running the wagner group now that yevgeny prigozhin is dead? wagner soldiers oversee an empire of diamonds and gold and timber and clarissa ward went back to see who is leading it now ahead.
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group in the republic. you may recall last week reporter's largest african bush only had business as usual for them even after being left leaderless when they had seven killed in the plane crash last month his death but rushes
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about the military effort in ukraine operations in africa that include big profits for tonight, we go back to central african republic looking for one man who may be the next leader and expected to play a pivotal role. >> reporter: behind this door we are expecting to find dimitri, one of wagner's bosses in the central agrippina republic britt axes forbidden to all people who do not work here. are not goes unanswered. shortly after we are told to leave the building. we came back to the heart of prigozhin my skyper goes in africa to see how his death has changed and found two of his lieutenants still running the show. he is in charge of the security peas.
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he likes to keep a low profile these days, which is not surprising given that he survived a bomb attack in december 2022. after the attack, locals began to wear t-shirts in support of him. assign a waldner's entrenched popularity here. we first met him back in 2019 officially, he was acting as a translator. document show he was the head of the defunct wagner own company called goodbye invest and he had started working with prigozhin to influence u.s. elections in the troll factory back in 2016. educated in paris and fluent in french, english and spanish, he later created the russian cultural center, which waldner uses as a friend to sell its gold and diamonds to vips and managed his timber alcohol operations. the center is one of the last places prigozhin was
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photographed alive producing here. we filmed covertly at the cultural center where a woman who called her management told us thatseven's death has not change the status quo. dimitri does not have a job anymore? okay. it is all the same people? basically. in a rare and recent interview with russian media, he says he hopes the mission will not change. >> translator: if we start to retreat then everything has to be built. this is our chance. were now looking for new partners and markets. after, there is a chance for russia.
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>> reporter: over the weekend video emerged of a ceremony to commemorate the death of prigozhin. prigozhin, best friend of central africans wagner security chief looks on. one month after his death, trent 27's lieutenants are still standing and watching over his empire. >> this is just so incredible to see what is happened since seven's death . what is the actions of the walkman group since then ? tells about their future plans. >> reporter: it is clear they want to keep on doing what they are doing britt for rusher, wagner has taken a lot of boxes but it gave geostrategic presence in africa it diminished friends, and western influence. it gave huge amount of access to natural resources, diamonds, timber and gold. it has been a very lucrative thing for them. what will be tough is waldner
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off of the kremlin deniability. now that all of these people have been forced to sign owes to the ministry of defense, they are part and parcel to this date. >> this rational -- russian cultural center, it is so surreal woman in that dress. >> you cannot make this up in the cultural center has been described as the nerve center for their commercial enterprise i do think it is worth mentioning this story is about dimitri syty. he is sort of the boss. he is not the person making the money at the end of the day. that was yevgeny prigozhin. the question at the moment is, who were replaced prigozhin. who will seize the assets and sees the prophets until we know that people like dimitry are actually very nervous about what will happen. that woman that you saw , who introduced herself. we did some
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more research and digging on her, that is not her name. she has a traditional old russian name. no one is being straightforward. no one wants to comment. a lot of people nervous and preferring to stay in the shadows. >> course award, thanks so much. we will be right back.
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