>> good evening everyone, i'm laura coates. tonight, a really bad day in

court for donald trump. yes, he is the clear front runner in the race for the white house, he's neck and neck with joe biden, according to polling, but now, a new york judge says the candidate and his adult sons are all also now liable for fraud. saying that they gave false financial statements for years, committing fraud over, and over again, by inflating the value of their assets. now, news flash, this is the man who could be running the country if the election, of course, goes his way. on top of, as you know, for criminal indictment as well. just when you thought the circus on the hill could not get any wilder, well, you have matt gaetz again, issuing, this time, new threats to mccarthy's speakership. senators are working together to have a backup plan, of course, and mccarthy is saying that there is a plan, but they won't actually vote on it until friday. mind you, the government shutdown happens at 11:59 pm this saturday, if they are

unable to avert it. and there is a heartbreaking story that is near and dear to my heart, a young black girl ignored as all the white girls around her are given metals at a gymnastics competition in ireland. what if it was your daughter, or mom, who is now a gymnast? the video has gone viral. and even simone biles says that it broke her heart. i want to begin now with major legal trouble for the former president tonight, this time, in the new york attorney generals civil case against donald trump, and his family business. a judge finding that trump and his adult sons are liable for fraud. also, canceling the business certifications of the trump organization. that move alone deals a major blow to the former president, and of course, his businesses. joining me now to discuss, legal analyst, norm eisen, and former trump white house associate counsel, may neil men. glad to have both of you guys here. i want to begin with you, norm,

on this, because this is so significant. this was a summary judgment motion. taking a step back, tell us what that means. and why it's significant. >> laura, when you do a civil case, there are various off-ramps that can benefit the plaintive, whoever is bringing the civil case, or the defendant, whoever is being sued. in this case, you have the state of new york representing by the very tough attorney general, tish james. state of new york is the plaintive. donald trump and a variety of his family members and his businesses are the defendants, the allegation, very similar to the allegations we've seen from special counsel jack smith, or from d.a. fani willis in georgia, fraud. not election fraud, alleged, here are the allegations were business fraud. that trump, over and over again, he said his apartment was three times as large as it was, to

get loans, and insurance. his residence at seven springs, his mar-a-lago estate, allegedly, exaggerated. >> all over assets. >> that is the allegation. both theater need general and donald trump tried for summary judgment before the judge in new york. and the judge granted summary judgment to the attorney general, and said, there's no question, donald trump inflated these properties. there is nothing. what it means, there's nothing for us to argue about at trial. this is settled. also denied donald trump's effort to get summary judgment. so we are going to have a number of other charges that will be tried, and various damages. discouragement, how much money trump is going to have to give up, that is going to be tried as well. >> so important, may, we think about, it the summary judgment, essentially a judge saying, listen, you only have to go for a fact finder. the jury, if there's some

factual dispute or that might actually resolve. in this case, he said the facts were so strong that there was no need to actually go to a jury on the specific aspects of it. but i can't help but wonder how this is going to play, politically. because of course, it was led by tish james, who was criticized by the trump family, specifically, for having campaigned on trying to bring them down. how do you see it? >> i almost feel bad for the new york attorney general. because she did want to make a name for herself for being the aggressive trump prosecutor, only to be out shauna by a local fulton county d.a.. this was going to be her moment, and maybe not. politically, it's tough to say. because we are dealing with trump. so you really never know. also, summary judgment emotions are appealable. i expect that to be appealed. i think, in trump world, the thing that people are going to take away is that this judge

was so trump unfriendly, if it was really hard for him to mask. the opinion he finds the lawyers for bringing legal arguments, saying i've already considered these legal arguments. yay, you did, at a motion to dismiss stage. they are different under a different standard of review. just the anger and animosity i think really shines through this opinion. i think that is going to speak a lot to trump world, and the get trump witch hunt aspect that he really likes to play up. >> he does play that up, norm, but of course, judges are not always known to be the most pleasant when they have had to resolve an issue more than once. even in different stages. but this is a move familiar playbook to say that the judiciary is against a particular person who comes out on the losing side. but to may's point, this is appealable. there are going to be issues that they can in fact appeal. what do you see as those arguments? >> while the arguments about the sanctions on the lawyers

are not going to succeed on appeal. because these lawyers were repeatedly arguing that you can describe a 11,000 square foot apartment as a 30,000 foot square foot apartment. they actually said, well, square footage is not objective. if there's anything that's objective in the world, laura, you've got a ruler. okay, that is the definition of objective. it's the same way with these crazy valuations that they were pushing. seven springs, the maximum valuation, usually 30 million, one year, 56 million. they argued that it was legit to have a 292 million dollar valuation. that is a 400% increase. these kinds of increases, the judge warned him, he told him, he was gonna come after them, i think they're lucky, the sanctions were a little over

$7,000 per lawyer. in some of the other trump cases, and the sanctions against trump lawyers have been much greater. in terms of appeal, the judge applied the quasi-corporate death penalty for him. he's yanking those certificates that you need to do distanced in new york. >> so it's done, they cannot operate at all? >> well, if there is no state pending appeal. and if it was withstands it's not as simple as that, he says we're going to appoint a receiver. it's like a bankruptcy, like a chapter seven bankruptcy. somebody is going to be put in charge of these businesses, and figure at how to liquidate them. they are going to sell the properties. they are going to collect the rents. they are going to manage the businesses. so, it was a very, very broad decertification, taking the certifications wearing. not just the companies that issue here. but any other entities controlled or been officially owned by donald j trump and the

family members lose their certificate of doing business. i think it will withstand appeal but it that's going to be a point of attack. >> may, to that point, when people first learned about this, most people know donald trump, it really is the brand before it was the president of the united states, and before it is who he is now, seeking reelection, as you well know. although you are in the white house his counsel. he has been taking to truth social. he is responding to what he sees. one post saying, quote, they didn't even look at my most valuable asset. they didn't even include my most valuable asset. my brand. but that really come into play in the fraud being discussed here? >> so, i think it should. a couple of things. i think the lawyers we're trying to make a couple of arguments. it's not to say that 30,000 means 3000. their arguments were, one, the new york tourney general has

power on behalf of the state. and here, this state was not defrauded. in fact, there weren't really parties defrauded. the banks weren't defrauded. they set the interest rates. they got their interest. they made money. to, was that the value of the assets, a couple of things, there was a disclaimer saying this is what i'm saying, you, the bank, do your homework. you value them however you want. but also, yes, i am a very famous person. people would like to buy my properties. they value my properties. they trust my brand. that is true. that is something that happens in business. maybe to the extent that trump said, probably not. but that is sort of inflation is not foreign to the corporate real estate world. >> yet, the judge on that point about the disclaimer, the judge was very, very not impressed, at all, with the idea of having a disclaimer suggest --

hey, don't take my word for it, do your own homework. these disclaimers in the judges mind were something that was worthless, to talk about as a way to include in the evaluation of thanks. it's interesting to think about that brand, politically, norm, as well. because, as may is alluding to, you are talking about the brand. he has made, this campaign was about being a successful, savvy, very wealthy businessman. now, in new york, which of course he's already walked away from, he lives in florida now, he's not a resident of new york any longer, that is impacting how he may be able to present himself. but also, talk to us why it's only the suns, the adult sons here? ivanka's case was dismissed back in june. >> that is because, at that relevant time period, the case was shortened for statute of limitations agreements. reasons. and there is a tolling agreement that affects the time period. the court found on appeal that in the relevant time period,

ivanka was not yet an officer of the company's. she was not responsible at that time. i think, in terms of trump's brand, that is not an excuse for some of these arguments that were made. his brand is besides the point, here. you are not to maze questions about the so-called worthless clause, the disclaimers, that were included in these financial statements. it doesn't say -- i have it here. you can read it, up and down, it doesn't say i will lie to you. i will double or triple the value of these -- my statements in here are outright lies. the judge says that the worthless clause is just that. worthless to donald trump. then, on this argument that it didn't hurt the lenders or the insurance companies, that's not the way the law works. you know this well. you were a prosecutor here in

d.c.. if i shootout somebody, and i happen to miss, my fraud it doesn't work, you still get prosecuted, even though you miss. it's dangerous to lie. the judge makes that point. new york law doesn't care about the loss, or the gain, in the end. what they care about is people who do business in new york have to be truthful. they can't have a persistent pattern of major frauds. that is what the judge found today in ruling for dea, for the a.g. in new york. >> real quick, may, there is supposed to be a civil trial beginning on monday, of course, this was all done at this point, now, or is there more to come? >> well, they don't even know whether the trial is actually going to start on monday. it still could get pushed back. like i said, i think you are going to see appeal, after appeal. and, it's a little bit unclear what the effect is of pulling his business certificates.

does he have to cease doing business? what happens next? there are a lot of unanswered questions right now. but i do think your latest correct, in that it was not a good day for donald trump. >> thank you, may, my leads are always correct. thank you so much for joining us tonight. norm eisen, may mailman, nice to see you both. tonight, everyone, more than a third of democrats in the u.s. senate are calling on -- look at this, they are calling on senator menendez to resign. remember yesterday? this list was not even a full column. now, look at it. of course, the floodgates open when senator cory booker, the junior senator from new jersey, stepped in. they are calling on him to resign now, menendez's wife, nadine, are expected to appear in court in the morning. for the bribery charges. of course, he is presumed innocent until proven guilty. cnn's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst says, john miller, says this case raises

some questions for u.s. intelligence. john miller joins me now. john, i'm glad that you're with me tonight. we've been talking a lot about the gold bars and the amount of money that was found. and all of the allegations contained in this indictment. there is a big elephant in the room that is not really being addressed. i know you've had a lot to say about this. because it all centered around a new jersey born egyptian businessman. the question you had is, did the egyptian government, the government itself, target and influential u.s. senator to be a, kind of, mark? connect these dots. >> it's interesting, laura, because you can't find the connectors for these dots in the indictment. but you can find the dots. you've got will hannah, the new jersey-based adoption american businessman, who is meeting with the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee, bringing together egyptian

intelligence officials. adoption military officers, adoption government officials, and getting deals done to unfreeze aid to egypt that had been put on hold by the state department. and release weapons that was destined to be delivered, that was also on hold. so, he is doing these things, in the interest of the egyptian government, as is alleged in the indictment. he's innocent until proven guilty. but, then one has to ask, why? is he just somebody who is doing this out of the goodness of his heart? is it because he got a monopoly to be the clearer for halal beef being shipped to that country to great prophet? or is there something more? the question that is on the table, laura, is is it possible that they could have actually been using the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee as an egyptian asset in term -- return for broad money being funneled into a businessman without the intelligence services who attended some of

these meetings not knowing about it? it sounds unlikely. >> answer that question for us though, i mean the idea, i know it's rhetorical in part, but you are intimating something pretty significant about the unlikelihood that the egyptian government would have no idea this was happening. as well as the fact that it really does put a huge spotlight on senator menendez as particularly susceptible. and amenable to this. >> if you think about it, and i'm speaking as someone who worked in the fbi, who was familiar with counterintelligence operations, as someone who worked in the director of national intelligence, and nypd's intelligence bureau. what you are looking for, as an intelligence officer, is what asset? what source can you recruit? how can you compromise that person. do they have a propensity towards corruption? can you fulfill a need or exploited a weakness? and where you have a u.s. senator who has received a lot

of publicity for being charged in a corruption case, it was a hung jury, the rest of the charges were dropped. he surfaced in another investigation before that one. it doesn't produce the kind of vulnerabilities that could be attractive to a foreign intelligence service, especially if they have a way in. consider this, laura, well hannah, the new jersey businessman, was friends for years with nadine are slaney in, before she suddenly started dating senator menendez. then became his wife. during that period of years, 2018, 2019, all the way up through a recent times, according to the indictment, she was the middle person, the broker who put together the meetings between the businessman and the egyptian officials. that's a lot of coincidences. one other thing. there is a case involving a businessman, vice president of a bank, name is pure gorgeous, charged last year in adoption

american who was allegedly trying to infiltrate u.s. law enforcement, and recruit u.s. law enforcement. including nypd officers to get information on egyptian dissidents on u.s. soil. he was charged with being an unregistered agent of the egyptian government. something very interesting, buried in those court papers, was an assertion that there are nine egyptian operatives aimed at cultivating and witching assets and recruiting them to carry out the interest of the egyptian government. it's interesting that someone who was trying to recruit law enforcement to get confidential information is charged as an agent of the government, and an individual who was allegedly funneling half 1 million dollars, gold, and convertibles to a united states senator, is being described in a case that so far is only bribery. and on the senator's part,

bribery and extortion. so there's more to this story that may come out in court. or, may not, depending on how this goes. >> well, it's so important to think about all of those different iterations. and assessment of the key players, and the codefendants now, you and i both know, when you've got a codefendant case, suddenly you start to see cracks that otherwise you would not expect to be there. so, if there are those coincidences, that the investigators are looking at, if the jury, if they eventually oversee this case in a trial, are trying to look and connect those dots, there's going to be a lot of head-scratching in the prosecution as they have their work cut out for them. unless, of course, they have somebody willing to flip. john miller -- >> don't live coincidences, laura. >> john miller, so nice to see you. thank you. when we come back, can anything stop the runaway train that is hurdling towards a government shutdown, at 11:59 pm, on saturday, otherwise known as a

minute from midnight? while michigan democrat debbie dingell is going to weigh in, next.

>> tonight, speaker kevin mccarthy says the house will consider a conservative stopgap bill with border provisions on friday. regardless of whether he's confident the votes will be there to pass it daring hard-liners to vote against it. well hard-liners are not budging. here is congressman matt gaetz. once again threatening to oust speaker mccarthy. >> the one thing i agree with my democrat colleagues on is set for the last eight months's house has been fully led. and we own that, and we have to do something about it. and you know what, my colleagues will have an opportunity to do something about that too. and we will see if they bail out our failed speaker. >> let's talk about it now with democratic congresswoman debbie dingell.

congresswoman, thank you for joining us this evening. you have heard these words. they are not pulling any punches. i'm wondering if this were to happen. what is the plan for the democrats? do you intend to bail out as congressman matt gaetz says speaker mccarthy? >> i think we are not going to get caught in the midst of republican caucus politics. what we are focused on right now is trying to keep the government from shutting. i wish that we could get a simple continuing resolution. we have heard the senate passed a bipartisan bill they will likely pass by sunday. which is two days too late by the way. but i hope that before congress or the government reopens for business monday that we will pass it. because i do not believe that we should be running the government this way. it is not responsible. >> you know it has been posed as you've seen time and time

again. either speaker mccarthy keeps his job or the government stays open. this kind of either or is very difficult for the american electorate to reconcile. as you know, the senate reached a bipartisan deal to head off a shut down through mid november. is there a reason that cannot happen in the house? is it because of the ukraine funding >> it could happen in the house of speaker mccarthy decided it should happen in the house. and that is what we will have to see. this week, i understand why the american people are having a hard time understanding. they're following this, it should be either kevin mccarthy's staying the speaker or we keep funding the government. even members of the republican caucus. let's just bring it to a head. it is not the right way to be running for government. very irresponsible. if we let the government shut down we are endangering national security. we are endangering our skies, we are endangering our

children. and i just wish that we could get procreation bills passed. we've not gotten a pass this year. democrats are not in charge. the republicans are. but i just wish that we could work together to keep the government running while we address many of these critical issues. >> what is the solution? how do you do it? >> while the senate is offering a bipartisan bill they believe. they had 75 votes today. it came over here. and the form that is in right now. i think it would get enough votes between both caucuses to pass this. and keep the government running until november 17th. >> i want to talk if we can about something else that has come to a bit of a standstill as you know. united auto workers strike is happening in its second week. president biden actually came to your state today and joined the striking workers. actually on the picket line. you have said in the past that he should not intervene with these strikes. but you are happy that he's going to the workers out there.

i am wondering if his presence puts a huge presidential thumb on the scale of negotiations. and puts them smack dab in the center of them? >> i have been very clear that i do not believe the president or any policy maker has a role in the negotiating table. i do not believe he should intervene. the president has been strong. that he is standing with the workers on this. but he has also said the negotiations need to happen between the workers and companies. but has talked about the workers needs being real. these workers, when the automotive companies are in trouble in 2008. in 2000 and almost went bankrupt. the employees gave up their cost of living adjustment. they did not want to see the companies destroyed. now, in real terms, they are making 10% less. then they were in real terms in 2008 and 2000.

as why these workers are at the table. it is between the companies and the workers at the table to work this out. and as policy makers, we need to understand what the issues are. be supportive, but i do not believe we should be intervening. >> once presidents interference or just a demonstration of support? >> he had talked to, i know for a fact, the president's been talking to people on all. sides encouraging them to stay at the table. and i think that he was showing he was standing with the workers on these issues. but he did even with the workers today reinforce that it will happen at the negotiating table. >> congresswoman. you are actually a former general motors executive and you have said that they're not typical negotiations. can you share some insights into how the companies might be thinking about a strike like this? >> look, i am and have been on all sides. and i think that these are in my lifetime i have seen many

contract negotiations. i think that these are the most important that i will witnessing my lifetime. because we are talking about the future of the domestic auto industry in the country. and this is where the rubber hit the road. we cannot ignore the global climate israel. and we have to do something about. but as we face the future of technology. in electric vehicles. we have to make sure we are not leaving the worker behind. so we have to talk about what is this transition. how do we make sure we are building those cars here in the united states of americans, by american autoworkers. that is critical to me. and i will not concede or leadership to any country. when another former president says that if we build electric vehicles we will build them one over central. we are not. we want to build them here. and we all need to understand what it is going to take to make that transition. and keep a strong, vital auto industry in this country. and the country is very quickly being reminded. that the auto industry is still

the backbone of the american economy. the results of this strike are already being felt by many. >> and we will continue to resonate with the impact of what has happened. historic demands. as you've mentioned the, cost of living. host of bailouts and post pandemic as well. congresswoman. debbie dingell, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> a line of children in the gymnastics event. except, one of them. the only black girl. we will talk about that next.

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young girl. you have just competed in a gymnastics event. and you are standing in line with all of the other gymnasts. waiting for the medal. but you are the only one who doesn't actually get that metal. and you are not sure what. as a little girl standing there, that you've been skipped over. it's exactly what happened to one girl. and it was all caught on camera. there is newly resurfaced video. now viewed over 50 million times. i meet that happened a year and a half ago. it shows unofficial handing out medals. getting to the only black girl standing in line. she pauses, appears to skip over her. and continues passing out medals to everyone else. a parent complained about alleged racist behavior. and the resolution was somehow reached. but now that the world has seen the video, gymnastics ireland has now been forced to comment.

telling cnn that what happened on the day should not have happened. and for that, we are deeply sorry. joining me now to discuss, university gymnastics coach. the first black gymnast to win an ncaa all around title in 1989. karen, it's a pleasure to see you. and i have a little girl, nine years old now on a gymnastics team so watching through the lens of a parent, i have a whole different view of the entire gymnastics community. we work you guys do, but let me tell you when i saw this, the mama bear came out through my computer screen on behalf of this young child. what was your reaction with this resurfaced video coming out? >> honestly, i was very disheartened. it's been a long time that we have been around in this sport and so to see something like that, to see that in 2023 or

2022, it is still happening. it is very frustrating. >> excuse, me i don't want to cut you off. but you wonder there's an explanation of some sorts and you're talking as you mentioned, people know simone biles, the dominique dawes, gabby douglas. of course yourself and we are thinking about all the different things that you've accomplished and yet, there is still not the complete dismissal of the role of race in the sport. >> no definitely not. it is inherent unfortunately in this sport. it is something that has to be looked at carefully. it is something that officials need to look at. something usa gymnastics needs to look at. something coaches need to look at. because they do not always recognize when they see things to little girls. or do things like you've just saw in the video that have such a huge impact on these young

girls lives. >> did you experience something similar to this or your early journey as a gymnast? did you feel like you are the only one? >> i was the only one on my team for a while there. and you know it is sad. that if you talk to most of the girls on my team. that they will tell you they were the only ones in their gym as well. that they were the only ones on the team. so yes, i experienced that. i would go to top competitions and there would be a couple of black girls in the entire competition. maybe two, maybe three. so it was difficult. because you did not have those role models. or anybody who looked like you. >> simone biles, one of the ultimate role models of course says the parents of this little girl actually reached out to her. and that she was heartbroken. and sent a video to the little girl saying that there is no room for racism in any sport or at all. biles is obviously a huge star. has completely transformed the

view of what gymnastics can be. and the trajectory continues. but that must have meant everything to this little girl. seeing a role model like her. but what has it meant to even your players to see a young girl treated this way? who looks like that. >> for some of them it may remind them of something that happens. maybe not quite as plain and obvious but still the way that they felt when they were at a competition. maybe the way other little girls who were in their squad treated them. or look at them or the way that parents when they are talking and think that nobody can hear. that they had to deal with this stuff and they've had to deal with their entire gymnastics career. >> so selfishly. i'm going to be on the sidelines of matches. i'm going to try to suppress the feeling that every mother has which is that you just want people to treat your children well. but you are prepared if somebody does not.

so tell me what kind of advice do you have for me as a mom thinking about this? >> well i would say that you just have to be there for your child. because sometimes they do not understand why they did not score better than they did. especially when they do a great routine. and then this score does not seem to reflect that. there are times when we have to look at that and as a coach, i will look at that and say that there is no way. that i've talked to other judges sometimes and while her feet were bent. no they weren't. you just have this thought process in your head. you saw something. but it really wasn't that bad. you have to all acho. what happened to this little girl, having it viewed 50 million times, i hope she sees those as support for her. i'm not an indication of people

trying to watch a moment of pain. thank you so much. >> thanks for inviting me. >> supreme court telling alabama republicans know for the second time in months. that decision will have implications for black voters who were there. and possibly anyone else who might have gerrymandering on the brain.

>> we met at the first time. that is the message the supreme court is sending element of lawmakers today. in yet another 5 to 4 decision

rejecting now their second attempt at a congressional map. failing to add another majority black district. nadine decisions, go to order the state to provide more representation for black residents. alabama's population is more than a quarter. but only one of the states seventh correctional district is currently a majority black. the supreme court decision could have huge impact for the state. democrats hope of retaking the house. join me now is alabama's only democratic congress member. representative terri sewell. first black woman to represent alabama in congress. congresswoman, thank you for joining today, this is quite extraordinary. you know republicans to these maps have been rebuffed the supreme court twice in the spam of months on this issue. why do they not understand first? >> laura, thank you for

allowing me to be on your show today. when i went to law school, the supreme court said one. to find the supreme court, state legislators my state. the supreme court was unanimous in this decision to stop them for trying to reinstate those old maps. i'm thrilled. the real winners here. the state of alabama, all voters. because it is about fair representation. 27% of the black voting age population my stays african american. only one seat allows us to choose a candidate of outdoors. distributing a black vote in alabama, i'm thrilled that we are celebrating the alabama cannot go backwards.

we are going forwards. forward with a fair congressional maps. >> it clears the way congresswoman for a mass proposed. by logistics week, a court appointed a special pasture that would create 15% black representation or very close to it. you are the only black representative for alabama so voters telling you about this potential change? >> they are so excited and i think this is really about political power and the struggle for political power. impair and struggle does not come without a fight and i am just proud of the plaintiffs in the case for sticking the so. this is really about fairness. fairness in representation. i want to make sure every voter, despite the race. their zip code. as equal opportunity to vote in this. it's critical, it's fundamental. >> people might look at this and say adding another majority black district guarantees

something for a democrat. but your point is that you have to have the opportunity to elect a candidate of years. that you have the opportunity that would be fairness. you also have razor thin majorities in the house. could determine control congress. if you had an additional seat. this is quite significant. >> not only is alabama the first out the gate. but louisiana, louisiana is next. then comes georgia. and frankly i can see lawsuits in mississippi, south carolina as well. all of these states, only have one majority minority district. and yet, these are six seats in mississippi. four or five seats in south carolina. not just book original maps, it also has the county commissions.

the extent now are drawn by governments and not these legislatures. they do not fairly drum up black voters. our full voting strength is not there. those maps should be thrown out. this is a real warning to state legislatures across the country. voting's act is alive and well. i'm proud that last week, we advance to john -- we want to feel productions of the voting rights act. section two is just one part. coming up with a modern-day framework. but determining what states are discriminating against minority voters. we want the full protection of the voting rights act. i'm looking forward to putting

my sleeves. and getting into necessary trouble to ensure we get the full protections of the voting rights act. >> section five, the formula has been guided. looking at one congress could act upon. important here perspective important to see democracies in voting and in counting. it sounds like gerrymanders beware. congresswoman terri sewell, thanks so much. >> thank you laura. >> we will be right back.

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