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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com ♪ he signed several bills that empowering the worker. one of his most recognizable slogans is seen on this poster. truman cited with union workers and he angered everyone when he took over the steel mills. and, teddy roosevelt invited leaders to the white house during the cold strike. the union was a dirty word. grover cleveland sent the military to shut down a railroad strike. reagan fired 1000 air traffic controllers and tim scott says

he admires. fast forward to 2024 and the two front runners in that race are using the current autoworker strike to flex their union muscle. one day after president joe biden made his visit unions are popular. two thirds of americans say they approve of them. three-quarter side with the uaw workers in the strike against the big car companies and approval of unions just in general has risen in the past 15 years. here is the interesting part, biden carried voters from union households over trump by 16%. that is a wider margin than hillary clinton held over trump in 16. here he was just moments

ago. >> instead of economic nationalism, you have left-wing globalism. the workers of america are getting, to put it nicely, screwed. >> union leaders are skeptical of trump. one executive says in part, quote, let me be blunt, donald trump is coming off as a pompous hole coming to michigan to speak at nonunion employees , where was his rallies for striking workers when we were on the picket line in 2019? where were the jobs he promised to return to the u.s. in 2015? the proof is in the pudding. joining me to discuss this is filmmaker michael moore. he is a union supporter with deep family ties to the uaw.

thank you for coming back on the show. >> thank you. >> you are getting screwed is the former president's message to the workers of america tonight. i imagine you may agree with them. >> only because we had to live through four years of trump in the white house. i actually watched this speech tonight and i have to be honest, i am one of the few designated trump watchers whenever he makes his speech so everyone doesn't have to listen to it. there is half a dozen of us that watch it and we can report to others, mainly because it is a crime watchers thing you have someone who has entered our state, he has been indicted for different felonies with my be one crimes. it is like i and others watch

the speech and basically i think that we don't have a whole lot to worry about because the majority of the country doesn't 110. they didn't want him in 2016. you lost the popular vote. they didn't want him in 20. he lost the midterm. if everybody gets out to vote, that is our problem on our side, getting everybody out to vote. if everybody votes, the majority of americans don't agree with him and don't want him. it was such an embarrassment that they never pulled back a wide shot because there were so few people in this auto-parts facility in detroit. he is there at an antiunion place with that supplies auto parts to cars. >> what do you think about this

idea that the union leadership, they are understandably skeptical of trump, but what about union members? the trump campaign says there is a disconnect between the political union ship and the working middle class employees they report to represent. do you think that uaw president sean fames beaks for all rank- and-file members? >> absolutely. he has such support, it is amazing. he is the first president elected by the entire membership, all 150,000 members got to vote. you would think that is common in a union but that often does not happen. what he used to do in the

factory, you would nominate your people from your factory to go to the national convention. that convention would elect the leader. he is elected for the first time by everybody. biden showing up yesterday, that was so historic. i don't know if this has been reported, you did a great job in the opening going through our history of presidents. most of them, with the exception of roosevelt and maybe one other, did not do well by working people. for biden to come be there at the picket line, it was so moving. the criticism is he was only there for 15 minutes. they were so nervous yesterday. i hate to put this out there, but they would not even tell your press reporters that were on air force one where they were going. they did not know what city of michigan they were going to land in, they had to keep this all for security reasons very quiet. trump and his people have

managed to turn violence into part of the political structure of this country. what they did on january six mark and his support of it and encouraging of it, they had to be so careful yesterday that there was a pool reporter. everyone went to that one meeting -- >> can i ask you, when we spoke, you said trump's visit to michigan was a stump. president joe biden said he was visiting after trump did. how is that visit not a stunt as well? >> i think it just seemed that way. i think they were planning this for some time. on some level, in terms of the way that he operates like a snake, he is not stupid. snakes are not stupid. he figured out i need to get the jump on biden.

he is so much younger than biden, so he was able to move quicker. >> i want to ask you about one of the demands here, which is wages at the core of this. ford currently spends about $64 per worker in the united states. that includes wages and benefits. foreign automakers and nonunion shops spend between $45 and $55 an hour. some estimate if the unions get that 40% wage hike they have been pushing for, that could double the cost per worker for these unions. is there a concern this could end up pushing auto production overseas where perhaps labor is cheaper? >> no. that has been a huge failure. you have done your own stories on cnn and how many countries

have come back so things are being built right. when they say wages, those are not the auto workers wages. they throw everything into that, every possible thing. there was someone on one of your shows yesterday pointing out how much of each car goes to pay healthcare, whereas in canada, the gm factories in canada and the ford factories, the total amount of the price of each car is practically zero because it is universal healthcare in their country unlike us. the corporations gm wants been building so many factors over the years in canada because it is cheaper for them to do it there because they have for universal healthcare. the companies in canada have to pay a tax for that healthcare.

they would rather pay the canadian tax and have everyone covered. >> showed that 40% raise be a redline for negotiators? >> i am not going to say what the uaw should or should not do. it is there union. i belong to the writers guild and screen actors guild. i heard sean fain make this. we are going to put this up on their site. you can go there and see what they are claiming in this 40% raise, if the automakers gave this 40% raise and brought back pensions and did not have the two-tiered thing where new hires are paid 15 dollars or $16 an hour, and the old-timers that get $30 an hour, make it even. if they did that, if the automakers did that, and car

companies did not raise the price of a car by a single dime, they would not only be able to afford that but still make huge profits, which they made $30 billion since the beginning of this year alone. they are making this up to scare people. does not work. there are reporters that go to talk to the local owners, aren't they hurting now because of the strike. they know something apparently these wealthy capitalist ceos don't understand. if you pay the workers a just wage, if you pay them more money, what do they do with that money? buy a yacht? by stocks and bonds? no, they spend it. >> these workers have said they want to be able to afford the cars they are in the factories building.

thank you for joining this. >> and i just finish one sentence. when they say biden was only there 15 minutes, it was a historic 15 minutes. the gettysburg address was 2 minutes and 10 seconds long and it was still renowned as maybe the greatest speech of all- time. biden did an amazing thing. i support the union and hope to give everything they deserve. up next, the clock is ticking as it looks like the american government will shut down. i will speak with someone at the heart of those negotiations over on capitol hill. senators tucker tommy taking heat about a comment he made about race in the military. as a judge rules trump is liable for fraud, how much is that building, mara largo, worth right now?

tonight, donald trump's entire empire is at risk. a judge finding him liable for fraud and allegedly deceiving banks, loners, and customers for a decade. there is a campaign refrain that takes on new meaning in the wake of these new rulings. >> if we could run our country the way i have run my company, we would have a country you would be proud of. >> do you subscribe to the notion the government should

can and should be run like a business? >> it certainly should, but a business with hard because i am a big believer in hard. >> he would run america like a business? >> properly and with heart. a lot of people don't understand that. >> a business with hard, maybe a site of deception according to this judge. i want to bring in jeremy solid, lee carter, and president of the ms. galinsky partners, russ buettner. he framed his whole political ethos on the kind of business he ran. this judge is saying it was a fraud. >> people will see this and say this is the end of trump, how are people still going to support him? trump supporters will see this and think it's more people out to get trump. everyone is talking about the 18 1/2 million dollar

evaluation on mar-a-lago. it's $100 million, or whatever they are saying. they are saying this is more evidence that people are out to get trump. if you are on the other side of this, you say finally, people are saying what we knew all along, he is a fraud. i don't think this will change anyone's mind. >> there are many things about trump that contradict the image he portrays. there may be $250 million in damages at stake for trump. is it possible this could really do damage to trump and his businesses? >> it does seem possible. we required his income tax reports for 20 years worth. there is no evidence he had that cash. this cash seemed to be dwindling through the middle teens, his money from entertainment from the apprentice and licensing deals

dropped off. he had deals losing money that he had to pump money into. he has assets he could sell. one of the interesting things is that will not be his choice it does not sound like. these entities bidding being put into receivership represent everything he owns. if someone else will be deciding who can take money out of that, how much money they can take out of, and making sure there will be 250 million left, that will greatly restrict what he is able to do. >> that is incredible to think about. they will appeal, no matter what happens. do you think they have grounds to put a stop to a rolling that seems like it could got trump and everything that he has ever built? >> this is a bold move by the

judge to do what he did at this stage in the process, meaning not only do we have a judgment that is captivating and entire country and has significant ramifications, but at the same time he is saying i am going to cancel your ability to continue business and business certifications, which we just said would potentially destroy his career, ability to earn a living, and ability to operate. >> lee, you may remember hillary clinton tried to make a case about this in 2016. she called out trump for six bankruptcies. i remember covering her. they were lifting up the stories of all the people he had crested over the years and failed to pay. they raised the spender of these valuations being not real. none of that mattered in 2016.

can this become an issue in 2024 if he is on the ballot? >> i have a hard time seeing how. whatever you expect to happen, the opposite happens it is almost like that picture you see where if you look at the picture, you see an old woman or beautiful young woman. if you are a trump supporter, you look at this and see this is a witch hunt. you see has huge success and think this is someone trying to take it away from here. you see all of those other things, but it does not change anyone's mind. you are still just ingrained in what you see. what is happening that is really fascinating is his support tends to increase. more people are taking heels in and say it feels unfair. >> before we go, mar-a-lago, how much is that things really

worth? eric trump says it is $1 billion. trump says is hundreds of millions of dollars. what could the truth be? should their tax bill be higher? >> their property tax bill? i think he gave away the right to make that more valuable years ago. he promised to give away all right to develop it for anything other than a club. that is a restrictive thing that limits value. someone can't put in 30 houses on the beach or one big mess of house. if you run it as a business it doesn't really work. he has reported his tax returns about $2 million a year. >> let's not a lot of money. >> if you buy that thing for $1 million and take out an $800,000 mortgage, that seems like it not smart deal. their assessment was based on no evidence. he said this is an unsubstantiated dream. >> those statements about the

value of this property, doesn't that make the new york agencies case? >> absolutely. one of the most outstanding things he did that harmed himself, you have a 10,000 square-foot apartment and says that is a 30,000 square foot apartment. there are so many things he has done, not just here, throughout the history and career where it is far worse than foot in the mouth. it is the constant saying and doing things that hurt himself. whether someone can real that back in, i don't know. this is why he is where he is. the government is set to shut down this saturday night. republicans are still deadlocked over an agreement.

a republican involved in negotiations is my guest. plus the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mike millie, responds to former president donald trump suggesting he should be executed. a retired black general calling out senator tommy turberville's claim that the military is not an equal opportunity employer.

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the nation is three days away from a crippling government shutdown. they are nowhere close to a deal on capitol hill. kevin mccarthy is pouring cold water on the senate's short- term funding bill proposal, saying there is no appetite for it in the house. instead he says he will introduce his own short-term funding bill on friday, and that will include money on the border. let's get to nicola loder, a republican from the state of new york. congressman, thank you for being here. are you planning to vote for speaker mccarthy's stopgap measure and what do you know about what is in it? >> i would vote for the speakers stopgap measure. the conference has focused a lot on border security, as well as keeping the government-funded

as we negotiate a reduced spending in key areas. our nation is $33 trillion in debt with a $2 trillion deficit. there are things we need to do to get our fiscal house in order but we must keep the government open to do so. >> tomorrow, the first impeachment hearing is expected to start. would you consider postponing that so lawmakers can spend time on something that has a real deadline this saturday to prevent a government shutdown? >> we can walk and chew gum at the same time. if we had to put those offer a couple of days to focus on keeping the government-funded while reducing spending, i would be fine on that. i am confident our committee chairs can operate that process concurrent with us doing work to keep our fiscal house in order. >> are you comfortable with impeachment proceedings maintaining funding, being deemed as essential, while so many other things not being paid while the government shuts down. are you comfortable with that? >> we can do it all.

we need to pay our troops, defend our borders, keep our governments going and everything else. >> if there is a shutdown, that won't happen? >> most of our colleagues are in that camp as well. we think we can keep the government-funded while we do our important work here. we can do it both. >> what do you say to colleagues who are already a know this resolution mccarthy is expected to introduce? >> what i offer my colleagues, and some represent districts that president joe biden one by 50 points or so, what i offer is conservative does not mean crazy and to compromise is not a bad thing. the reality we live in and the government as voters in 2022 chose to have a divided government. compromise is essential to have any progress whatsoever.

what i have tried to imbue upon my conservative colleagues is we have to strike a deal to keep the government open while we negotiate reductions. >> they are in 50 districts need be. you are in a swing district. are they to blame the government shuts down and constituents are hurt? >> the speaker has delivered multiple winds on pressure times like this. i expect we will deliver another win. if it happens, there will be plenty of blame to go around. >> thank you very much for joining us. the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, mark millie, responding to donald trump's suggestion he deserves execution. a retired major general says tommy turberville's comments about race in the military are shameful. he joins me, next.

general mark millie, the outgoing chairman of the joint chiefs says he and his family are taking what he calls adequate safety precautions after former president donald trump suggested he deserved execution. trump is responding to media reports that millie made phone calls to chinese counterparts. here is what the general told cbs news. >> is much as these comments are directed at me, it is directed towards the military. there are 2.1 million of us in uniform. >> it seems odd to ask this question because the former commander in chief seems to be calling for your execution. are you worried about your safety? >> i have got adequate safety

precautions. i wish those comments were not made, but they were. i will take measures to ensure my safety and the safety of my family. >> he insisted there was nothing inappropriate about his interactions with china. alabama republican senator tommy turberville explaining his no vote for general cq brown, the man who will serve as the next chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. >> i heard things he talked about about race and things he wants to mix into the military. our military is not an equal opportunity employer. we are looking for the best of the best to do whatever. we are not looking for different groups and social justice groups. we do not want to destroy our military from within. we need to be one. >> back in 1948, president harry truman signed the equality of treatment and

opportunity executive order. that order mandated, quote, the quality of treatment and opportunity for all portions within the armed forces without regard to race, color, religion, or national origin. this is happening amid an ongoing protest from turberville to stall confirmations from nominees because he is opposed to the military's policy on abortions. joining me is dana petard. general petard, what do you make of senator turberville's comments they are? bee good evening. senator turberville's comments concerning equal opportunity in the u.s. military are shameful, disappointing, and flat out wrong. his words don't match reality in the u.s. military. when the hallmark of the u.s. military for decades has been equal opportunity. that equal opportunity has enhanced readiness through fairness. the fact that talented people,

regardless of race, color, ethnicity, religion, gender, can succeed based on merit . >> in some ways, the equal opportunity mandate is in response to the fact that the military in the past had been segregated, had treated black servicemembers totally differently from white servicemembers, had prevented them from being promoted. does he understand that? >> apparently he does not. throughout most of american history, the u.s. armed forces was segregated. it was only 75 years ago in 1948 when president joe biden -- president truman signed the executive order 9881. it was 16 years before the civil rights act of 1964. my own father, and enlisted soldier at that time, was given

opportunity based on his talent. he became an officer and retired a colonel in 1970. that was made possible through equal opportunity. >> what do you think senator turberville meant when he said we are not looking for, quote, social justice groups in the military? >> i am not sure. sometimes i think that is shade for a white separatist past of our history, which will never resurrect again. that area is over with. senator turberville needs to get with the times. it is about equal opportunity. >> senator turberville is claiming hiring for diversity hurts military readiness. he is staging a protest that has held up roughly 300 military nominees.

what has the effect of that hold been on military readiness? >> the effect is we have leaders who should be in positions who do not have the authority to command. it has got a domino effect, maybe 300 nominations that have been held up. there are at least 1000 people, military leaders, who were affected one way or another. that is no way to run a world- class military. we have the greatest military in the world and doing something like that. something has got to move. senator turberville has gotten a lot of support back in his home state of alabama. that is why he is continuing to do this. at some point, the republican party and arms committee needs to overrule him and allow this to move forward.

still ahead, chaotic living in philadelphia last night including an apple store leading to multiple businesses closing today. the owner of one store that was ransacked is my guest, next. rfk junior is adding another conspiracy theory to his long list. this one involves 9/11.

police in philadelphia are on alert of the looters targeted multiple stores last night, ransacking retailers like apple, footlocker, and lulu lemon. dozens of arrests

were made and looting did happen after protests after a judges decision to drop charges against a police officer involved in a fatal shooting. police say the looters were opportunities and not at all connected to protests. i am joined by jay probst. his store was looted in this incident. can you tell us what happened last night to your store? >> i got a phone call at 12:45 that my windows were broken and they could see people running in and out of the store with our merchandise. >> what do you think happens for you and your business? are you able to operate and function in this environment? >> absolutely. i would never let a situation like this puts me in a negative situation or mindset. i have had this business for 13 years. i am deeply rooted in

philadelphia. since last night, i have got hundreds of phone calls and messages. everybody is going to help me and waiting for me to make a move so they can support it. >> do you have a sense of how much money you lost in this looting? >> we have not calculated yet but it is a significant amount. >> why do you think this is happening in your city? who is responsible for something like this, almost like a flash mob overwhelming your store and this theft happening? >> i don't think you could blame one person or one entity. i think there is a lot of blindness to ignorance in the city right now. i think there are a lot of people that don't understand their ignorance right now. i think a lot of it is also follow the leader. for a dozen people to run in and out of my store, i am a small business, and i have

nothing to do with what happened with the officer and eddie. i just think it is one person taking the lead and a bunch of others following. >> it definitely seems to be something to that effect, this group mentality. according to the city of philadelphia, retail theft in the city has gone up significantly for the last month. it is also up year over year for the last year. are you concerned about that as a small business owner? >> absolutely. i started this business and my mom's basement. i have been here 13 years. since this situation has happened, a lot of people say it is time for you to get out of this city. that hurts me because i love it here. there are so many good people in philadelphia. there is only a couple bad

apples that ruin it. there is a mentality in philadelphia to get out while you can. >> thank you for joining us. we wish you the best. you seem like someone committed to the community you are in. up next, robert of kennedy junior is no stranger to controversial conspiracy theories. now he is raising eyebrows after suggesting strange things, that's a quote, happened on 9/11. what he told cnn's peter bergen is next.

-- incredible, really. what was going through your mind when you heard him say that?

he is a presidential candidate for the democratic nomination right now. >> yes, i mean, i was surprised that he basically was -- i was surprised that he doesn't while the official explanation for 9/11. and, various things he does not buy. i also out of curiosity, he was right, building seven collapsed according to the official u.s. government, investigation, because of lodged debris from the north tower of the world trade center crashing into it and setting off fire essentially. but the other thing here is, the 9/11 investigation was the largest criminal investigation in human history. you have 500 leads that were followed up, hundred and 67 witnesses. this is a very well investigated event. to say you are skeptical, you have questions about the official explanation, at this

point it just makes no sense at all. >> he made a lot of other claims when he spoke to. he said the media is working for pharmaceutical companies. what was his rationale or evidence for supporting that claim? >> well, he did not have one. i asked, him because he said that cnn anchor anderson cooper was on the payroll of pfizer. well, you have worked with, him i have worked with, him and that is obviously the most ridiculous idea imaginable. but he has the sort of larger narrative that the pharmaceutical companies are telling the media, us, what to say. which he doesn't really explain this to me in that interview, maybe because there are a lot of pharmaceutical ads on cable news. but you know, the correlation isn't causation. and the idea that somehow we are taking scripts from pharmaceutical companies just frankly absurd. >> he is -- prior to a lot of these conspiracies, he is a well

respected environmental lawyer. his very well educated. but he seems to think in somebody different arenas that he has more knowledge than credible experts in their fields. did you get a sense as to what might be behind that? >> we'll also have this narrative about, unless he has looked into it personally, like the 9/11 attacks, and of course there are hundreds of thousands of pages of documents he would have to go through. unless he has done it himself, that somehow it is open to question. i did ask him one question which i had a very interesting answer. i asked him what explanation of some major event do you actually take at face value? he said he believes in the moon landing. the moon landing of course, the moon program was set up by his uncle president kennedy. and was shown live on television before hundreds of millions of people. he also said he went skiing with les aldrin which is one of the astronauts, because he told him the moon landing actually happened he believed it. now i think most of us don't

have the privilege of skiing with buzz aldrin, so this is the way he looks at the world. he is a well educated guy. he went to harvard. when he talks about climate change which he knows quite a lot about, he is an environmental lawyer, he helped clean up the hudson river. he is on good ground. it is these other theories that just makes sense. >> it is pretty amazing. if only we could negotiate with buzz aldrin. peter, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> and that is it for me here on cnn prime time. we have analysis of the second gop presidential debate. it starts right now with anderson cooper and dana bash. i will see you in just a few minutes. >> abby, thanks so much. i know you are waking your way over here too -- we have a seat saved for you. a special report, tonight seven republicans aiming at ronald reagan's footsteps in the closing moment of their second to be of the republican -- bearing his name surrounded by pieces of his legacy, putting the 707 that was at the air force one even from new yo-