jets take on the cancel city chiefs. it was not because of the game. i think it's safe to say that. it was probably because of taylor swift, because the world's most popular pop star was seen cheering on travis kelce, her rumored boyfriend. and they showed her again and again and again. >> there is the guest of honor. taylor swift. >> and of course taylor swift is in the building. >> oh, my god. >> oh, and yeah, she's here. taylor is in the house. >> we took care of taylor swift song titles right out of the gate. >> there's taylor swift in the vips. >> taylor is still here. taylor swift. >> everybody hanging there. >> they knew what made money. her name was mentioned, by the way, about two dozen times throughout the game. you heard some of them there. and she was there with famous friends, blake lively, ryan reynolds, hugh jackman was also there. the chiefs won 23-20.

thanks so much for joining us. us. "ac 360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight on "360," breaking news, a 9-year-old girl who vanished on a bike ride during a camping trip has been found safe. also the judge who holds the fate of the trump business empire in his hands and the attorney general prosecuting him. the former president was not under oath when he left a federal courthouse in manhattan this evening. at the end of day one of his civil fraud trial, he was under no legal obligation to tell the truth. so, when characterized in the proceedings and why he was there, he didn't. he lied. >> this was for politics. now, it has been very successful for them because they took me off the campaign trail because i've been sitting in a courthouse all day long instead of being in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, or a lot of other places i could be at. >> well, he entered the first

day of his trial, in which he has already been found liable for not telling the truth about how much his assets are worth, for not telling the truth about the trial himself. no one forced him to show up. he didn't have to be there. this is a civil, not a criminal proceeding. nothing in the law requires his presence. he was there because he wanted to draw attention to the case, the case in which one of his attorneys restated some of the same inflated claims about m mar-a-lago and other properties that were fraudulent. the former president's complaint about how unfair that judge was -- that a judge was hearing the case and not a jury. turns out neither side asked for a jury trial, according to the judge. and trump attorneys acknowledged that the law doesn't allow for a jury trial. before a court began, the former president was attacking the judge and kept up during the break as well. >> this is a judge that should be disbarred. this is a judge that should be out of office.

this is a judge that some people say could be charged criminally for what he's doing. he's interfering with an election. and it's a disgrace. >> he also continued to call the new york attorney general letitia james racist. to sum things up, the former president of the united states who's been warned in cases of attacking court officers, attacking two court officers. and at the start of the trial, which hinges on his ability to tell the truth about his business holdings, he cannot tell the truth about the trial itself. kara scannell was in court today. we heard the former president outside court claiming the case was politically motivated. what happened inside the court? >> reporter: some of that political argument continued inside. trump's attorney alina habba made a lot of saying letitia james, the attorney general, could have brought this case before she was even in office, saying she campaigned, saying

she was going to get trump. the judge stopped her and said he had already ruled on this, that the attorney general's motivations for bringing this case was not an issue here. and he was backed up by an appeals court who agreed with his ruling. telling her there's really no argument here in the politics of this, she said to the judge she had to address it because the attorney general did also speak jooitd today, but certainly trying to bring the politics into the courtroom. and the former president, you know, he was watching her intently when she was spar being the judge over this. and he was pretty engaged in the whole day. he was looking at the documents before him. he was watching the witness testimony. and then, as you say, he was coming out at every break to address the cameras that were lining the hallways to the courtroom. >> and did the former president, the attorney general interact at all in court? >> reporter: so, he walked past her. she was sitting in the front row in the corner seat, at least three times, with no acknowledgment. he was glancing away from her, looking down at the floor, when he walked past her.

then he finally did sneak a look at her and glanced over. but there was no obvious eye contact between the two. interestingly, eric trump, who is a defendant in this case, also walked past the attorney general a couple of times. then he stopped, shook her hands, and they exchanged words. before he left for the day, he stopped by her again and exchanged some words. we don't know what they were. but there was some engagement at that level. but the former president didn't make eye contact. they didn't have any kind of interaction at all, anderson. >> and as we mentioned, this civil case, not criminal prosecution. what's at stake for him in terms of penalties potentially? >> reporter: well the attorney general's office is seeking at least $250 million in penalties. they say that's the money he got by having rates that he would never have gotten on loans and insurance had he been truthful about the voofl his properties. they are also seeking to ban him and his adult children from acting as an officer in new york, from engaging in any real estate transactions here for

five years, and some other matters. so, they're looking at not just money but also practical implications. as you said, the judge already found trump was libel for flaud on these statements by putting false values for these properties. and he said the trump organization would have to be dissolved by cancelling some of the business certificates. it's unclear what that means and what that will look like, which could be more significant than any dollar amount at the end of this trial. >> appreciate it. joining us now, jennifer rogers, kaitlan collins, host of "the source" at the top of the next hour, and karen freedman mag fellow. and david k. johnson, investigative journalist and longtime reporter on all things trumpet. jennifer, let's start with you. the former president did not have to be there. why do you think he was? >> well, he already has lost a huge part of this case, right? the summary judgment that the judge issued ten days or so ago

means that the core of the case is over. now it's just a matter of the counts that remain and then the amount that he's going to have to pay and whether or not, as kara said, that they'll be banned from doing business. so, he's on a losing streak. i think he showed up to twist the narrative. he's not doing anything in court today. he can go outside and say this is a political prosecution and the judge is terrible and the attorney general is terrible. this is a pr trick. >> jennifer, it seemed the attorney in the opening statement was playing to him, arguing the politics of this when it had nothing to do with the danger at hand. >> z this the danger of having your client there, a client that drives the bus. she has to make this argument the judge has ruled on and ruled against and doesn't like because he's sitting there zmands it. i think he's not going to come every day, and they'll be able to turn their attention to the legal issues. >> kaitlan, he has a calculation that he gets something out of attending, not just the ability to get the press attention

because he's speaking at every break and lunch break. >> but it was notable how often he did speak. when he has been arraigned and had all these other -- we've seen him in courthouses the last several months, he usually makes one statement at the plane and he leaves. he came out almost every instance he could today. >> is this a sign of how seriously concerned he is about this case? >> yes. i think when you see certainly they are doing this for political benefit. they are trying to fund raise off of it. they were sending out emails non-stop. he was attacking the attorney general as he was walking into the courtroom moments before we saw him. his political advisers were there with him. when he came out and was speaking -- he was about as angry as you had seen him in recent months. he seemed to be seething. i was talking to trump resources, and they said that was exactly what they were watching as he was coming out. i think it's because of what it is they're talking about. it's not classified documents. it's not the election. it is something that is deeply

personal to him. that is his wealth. of course there's not a good omen with this with what the judge has decided so far. what they are looking at now is something that is so deeply personal for him. >> and financially damaging too. >> absolutely. >> david, one of trump's attorneys general said doral would sell for at least a billion dollars, mar-a-lago at least a billion. the trump properties are mona lisa properties. that is not fraud. that is real estate. end quote. is there some truth to that given the overall shadiness and vagaries of new york real estate, that the brand of trump adds some extra untold value to things or used to. >> it used to. you hit upon the right thing there. there was a time trump got premium prices for his apartments. part of the reason when he sold trump tower was he didn't ask questions about who you were. if you said you were going to buy an apartment in the name of

snow inc., donald didn't say is that a seeki resort or a cocain business. so, a billion dollars for the doral, i'm sorry, they just can't stop themselves. they keep coming up with these ridiculous, inflated numbers. >> karen, i mean, the phrase mona lisa properties, i'm not sure how much sway that's going to have with a judge that's declared them to be overwhelming evidence of fraud. but the idea that they are in court, continuing to push these valuations, how does that play? >> well, unfortunately, for the trumps, there are these objective measures that the attorney general is relying upon that aren't these subjective, well, this is whatever i want it to be, where the value is this intangible thing that someone will pay for it. there are things, like, the square footage of a penthouse apartment where they say the value is based on the size and the square footage and the price per square foot and they put on a piece of paper that the pent

house is actually 30,000 square feet. but it turns out that that penthouse is less than 11,000 square feet. so, they tripled the size of that. and that's an objective measure, right? so, therefore they tripled the value -- >> square feet is kind of aspirational is new york. there's a lot of new yorkers dream -- we all dream about more square footage. >> i just think that there's some objective -- there are a lot of objective factors -- yes, we do. there are a lot of objective factors that they are going to point to that really goes to the heart of this case and how unfair his business dealings were. it takes money to make money, and he unfairly got money by lying about the value of things, the size of things, et cetera, so that he can then go and continue to invest that. and then of course when it suited him the opposite direction, like for tax purposes, he doesn't want to pay his fair share of taxes, so he would underinflate the values.

and those two things can't be accurate at the same time. so, i think he's going to have objective facts that are going to be pointed to that's going to hard to get away from. >> david, we can see eric trump behind -- far behind his father when his father was making his media appearance. is he the one who has been running this? is don jr. just off doing podcas podcasts and promoting himself around the country and ivanka just disappeared in florida? or are they all at fault? >> ivanka is out of the case. and her role in things that have written about was primarily to draw in people for various real estate cons that trump was running, not to do the financial side of them. >> wait, ivanka's role was to draw people in for various cons? >> yeah. she went to the sales pitch for what trump said was a development she was building in baja, california, and said, oh, you know, i have a unit too and

maybe i'll come to your place and have to borrow a cup of sugar. but she wasn't involved in the financial details of it. and she is out of this case. the judge removed her because of when she ceased being involved with the trump organization. eric trump is someone who has given us some of the best quotes about donald and getting money from russia, and that he said whatever he did presumably to try and make nice with letitia james i think is just indicative that he's not his father. he's part of the family, but he's not the same person his father is. >> jennifer, you heard the former president talk about a rogue judge, again, calling the attorney general racist. does that impact a trial like this? >> so, there's no jury here. it's just the judge. so, i think the judge is trying to just stay even keeled about all this. i mean, the last thing he would want to do is give them the ammunition to say that he's biased by freaking out about

trump statements. unless he goes really far and directs his supporters to, you know, attack them or something, i think you probably will just stay the course and let him say what he wants outside the courtroom and proceed because, you know, there's no jury to be influenced. >> and also, kaitlan, it should be pointed out, again, the former president is claiming that the federal department of justice is behind this state trial. i just want to play that. >> it all comes down from the doj that totally coordinated this in washington. it's all run by doj, which is corrupt in washington. everything goes through them. >> i mean, at this point, he is just lying. i mean, he's just lying always. i mean, it's rather extraordinary. i mean, obviously even for him, it just seems like there's no controls at all. >> none of that is true. nothing that he just said there is true. >> but it fits into what the message he's trying to send to his supporters to fund off of, weaponization. >> which is that biden is president and he's going after

him. even though you heard from attorney general garland yesterday saying, i would resign before president biden could ask me. also he said he didn't think president biden would do that. we spoke with the former district attorney in new york about this last week after this judge had ruled, cy vance. he said they were building this case and implied to me that he believed it should have been brought as a criminal case, not a civil case. they believed they had it on the right path to get there. that, of course, was long before president biden was in office, before merrick garland was running the department of justice. that was when donald trump was in office and bill barr and jeff sessions were running the department of justice. none of that is true. >> kaitlan, we'll see you back at 9:00. jennifer rogers, thank you so much. karen, david as well. coming up next, breaking news. a missing child who vanished this weekend is alive. the suspect is custody. we'll have details ahead. at the capitol, republican congressman matt gaetz announcing he is moving to oust

speaker mccarthy.

we have breaking news, and it is good news. new york state police say they have found 9-year-old charlotte sena safe and in good health after a massive search for her at moro lake state park over the past 48 hours. also a suspect is detained. the fourth grader vanished on saturday night on a camping trip with her family. she had been riding bikes with her friends and left alone.

joining us now is -- exploited children, son of john walsh, former son of "america's most wanted." callahan, i know your organization was involved in the search for charlotte. are you hearing anything about how she was found? >> we're hearing that she was found in good health, which is amazing. just the fact that she was found alive, you know, i try to put into words -- i say a grand slam at the world series, but it's better than that. honestly to get this news that she was found safe is amazing. i think there might be a misconception that missing kids aren't found alive. that's not true. any time we have a stranger abduction like this, a non-family member who's taken a child, when we get them back alive, even after 48 hours, it's the best thing in the world. >> john, do you know about the methods authorities were using here to try to find her? >> there was no method they were not using. so, they were exploiting all options, readers, video cameras,

cell towers, looking for some connection. i'm told by sources that a note was dropped by the house today. >> a note? >> a note. something akin to a ransom note, some note indicating she was being held. what we don't have nailed down was whether that note was from an abductor or some opportunist. >> that would be very unusual and strange if somebody involved with this left a note, wouldn't it? >> well, i mean, there are child abductions by strangers, if that is the case here, are normally not kidnap for ransom cases. that would be unusual. you know, the kidnap for ransom model offers dropping ransom off, the return of the child, the offender pretty much has to show themselves or send somebody at some point. and i've been involved in a lot of cases like that. but when it comes to child

abductions, you know, you're talking about somebody who might have been in a park, put her in a car, got her out. >> and i'm just being told that police have said that multiple residences were searched. >> yeah. so, that is why they're being very tight lipped at this point because even at this stage of the investigation, they need to know more. what they went out with was the information that they wanted to go out with, which is everybody can stop searching. we have her and she's okay. the investigative part of this is literally still coming together at this point. and interestingly, we saw governor kathy hochul said, i promised her mom that we would get her back. she said that at the press conference on sunday, you know, basically announcing the disappearance. that's a really tough promise to make. but you have to make it in the moment. and it's really incredibly lucky she's going to be able to keep it. >> this is very much an active

investigation, as john was saying. >> absolutely. and these details are unfolding in realtime, as we speak. we have teammates who assisted in these missing children's cases, as boots on the ground. they were deployed. we're getting information literally in real time on what's going on with the investigation. hat's off to everybody involved in the search for this little girl, every law enforcement agency, anybody that went, people power, volunteer, every ngo that was out there. it's really about bringing all these resources to bear in hopes that we can recover these children as quick as possible. the fact that this little girl is with their family, their family is whole again tonight. long road to recovery. the trauma she experienced i'm sure is immense. we're going to be there for the family. a lot of people are loving she was found alive. it's an amazing thing. >> appreciate it, callahan. thank you so much. john miller as well.

more breaking news, as one drama ends on capitol hill, another begins. two days after house speaker kevin mccarthy reached a last minute deal with democrats to fund the government, his time as leader is in jeopardy. a rebel faction of republicans trying to remove him as speaker. more on that ahead.

more now on the safe recovery of 9-year-old charlotte sena that vanished saturday night. john miller is with us. with us by phone is new york governor kathy hochul. governor hochul, thank you so much for being with us. can you bring us up to date on what you know led to the discovery of her?

>> yes. everyone in new york is breathing a collective sieg of relief right now. i was literally in the arms of the parents. we were all hugging each other just yesterday. i went up to the state park, just looking at the site where the little girl had been abducted. we didn't know quite it was an abduction at the moment. but as more time unfolded, we realized that was likely the case. we spread the search to a much larger area than the state park, checking on the cell phone pings throughout the towers, which helps you identify people who had been in the park at a certain time and where their phones were later. so, the technology was a great help to us. but we spread that search around five counties. also searched for known sex offenders, identifying individuals in that category. so, it was really an incredible coordinated effort from so many agencies. it was a state park. so, the state of new york state police were involved as well as our dec teams.

it was extraordinary to see how they traced it down to an individual's home. the home was surrounded by law enforcement and helicopters, and they were able to bring her to safety. and not long after, she was in the arms of her parents at a hospital and being transported to be checked out. but she is in good health, and we're so, so grateful for everyone who did an extraordinary job. i told her parents, i said, we will find your daughter. i said, i promise you, we will find your daughter. and i, as a mom, am just so grateful that she has been found safely tonight. >> governor, there's a report that there was a ransom note received. can you tell us about that and that perhaps there were fingerprints on that ransom note? >> there was a ransom note that was left at her parents' home. and yes, the fingerprints there assisted the police in identifying the suspect. >> so, that ransom note was

actually from the suspect? >> that is what we can glean from it right now. but i have to caution that this is still very much a live investigation. and as more information can be confirmed is available, we'll get it out there. right now, there was a ransom note, is and that was instrumental in leading us directly to the suspect. his fingerprint was already in the database. >> go ahead. >> his fingerprint was already available to law enforcement. >> can you say what kind of database his fingerprint was in? >> state police database, i believe. >> was that -- do you know what prior crimes he had -- >> let me -- no. let me get confirmation because we're still running down -- this is still fairly new information. we're running down what other cases this individual may have been involved with. >> did you get information from the cell towers regarding this

individual? or was this the information that led police to the residence, came directly from the fingerprints -- >> both. both. it also -- the cell towers were pinged literally the night before when i was there. they were checking all the different cell phones that had been in the vicinity of this park. we also knew that anyone who came into this park as a camper, we would have their information because they had to purchase a ticket. so, you could start circling around possible suspects based on the cell phone data, who was in the park, and also then ultimately the ransom note. so, it was a combination of all those factors that were coming to life almost simultaneously that led to the quick arrest of the suspect. >> governor hochul, i appreciate your time tonight with this new information. thank you. >> all right. thank you. good news for our country. everyone's been praying for her and grateful that charlotte is back safely in the arm of her

parents. >> yeah. it's -- i mean, it's incredible. it is the best news possible. thank you so much, governor. back with our john miller. fascinating, fingerprints on a ransom note. a ransom note -- how common is that in a child abduction case? >> it is very old school. child abduction cases, if the child is taken by strangers, you know -- >> most child abductions are parental abductions. >> the large majority of parental abductions. when you take that out, you have 42% are taken by acquaintances. that doesn't mean relatives necessarily. it could be somebody the kid knew from the neighborhood and trusted as not a threat. then you see another 40% that are taken by total strangers. and, you know, when you look at those in the 9-year-old girl category, that's generally going to be a sexual predator. and the prospects there two or three days in can be very bad.

in this case, with the ransom note, you see a document they got. that could have been real, could have been a hoax. but they processed it. you put it into the afis system, which is the automated finger information system that's going to scan it against every prisoner who's ever been arrested on a felony charge in new york state and other databases. it comes up with the match of a name. as the governor explained, you can say, who is this person? do we have a record of a cell phone? was that cell phone pinging in the state park at the time of the aid the abduction? did that person or a person they're related to buy a ticket? you're looking at where after that abduction did that cell phone ping, how many addresses? you're going to have to get a warrant and search each one of those.

and under these circumstances you move very quickly. and it is a great thing that it worked out this well. >> amazing, amazing. john miller, thank you so much. washington now, more breaking news, republican congressman matt gaetz launching his attempt to oust house speaker kevin mccarthy. this comes after mccarthy over the weekend managed to reach a deal to head off a government shutdown. when we left you friday night, he had just said this when asked whether this would include working with democrats if needed. >> it's easy to surrender. if you want to surrender, yeah. but if you want to fight for the american public to secure our borders and keep government open, how is that a problem? it's only for cnn that that becomes a problem that i don't surrender to the liberals. >> keeping him honest, who speaker mccarthy chooses to do business is no business of ours. we're reporting the views and sometimes that means when elected officials say one thing and do another, like now. that thing speaker mccarthy said

he would not do, he did. 90 members of his own party voted against it. all but three democrats voted yes, which on the one hand makes speaker mccarthy guilty of what he called surrendering. or you can call it doing whatever it takes to make a bad situation better. government will stay open, military families will continue to get paid. the breaking news tonight shows as a result of mccarthy working with democrats, congressman gaetz made good on his threat to go after his job. manu raju joins us with the latest. gaetz just spoke to you on the steps of the capitol. what did he say? >> reporter: he said he has enough republican votes to kick out mccarthy as speaker, but only if democrats join in that effort. he said the only way mccarthy could continue to serve as speaker is if mccarthy relies on democrats to save him. he continues to rail on mccarthy about a host of broken promises and pushed back against many

critics within the house gop, saying he's throwing things into chaos. he told me he is willing to go on and on and on even if mccarthy is off the floor, puts himself up. gaetz says he's ready to grind it out. >> i have enough republicans where at this point next week, one of two things will happen. kevin mccarthy won't be the speaker of the house or he'll be the speaker of the house working at the pleasure of the democrats. and i'm at peace with either result because the american people deserve to know who governs them. >> reporter: and anderson, he also told me that he has spoken with donald trump about this move to oust kevin mccarthy. he would not say what trump told him. but it was interesting because of course mccarthy had credited trump from winning the speakership over 15 ballots back in january. so, a big question here about the role of the former president in all of this as well, anderson. >> what happens now? when is the house expected to vote on this?

>> this, of course, has never been successfully executed before in american history, to actually oust a sitting speaker on the floor through a floor vote. what would happen here now that he has filed this motion, by wednesday there would have to be a vote on the house floor. the speaker's team could try to block it by a procedural vote which is expected to be done. that would require a majority of the house. 218 voting members could vote on that procedural motion. but at the moment, anderson, i surveyed and talked to a number of these conservative hard liners, people who align themselves with matt gaetz. gaetz does have enough republican support to oust him if the democrats decide to oust him as well. that is a key question. it will dominate the question tomorrow as well. democrats are still grappling with what to do, whether to seek concessions from mccarthy. hakeem jeffries, democratic leader, refused to say how he would approach this, as he met with his team and they plan to have a democratic caucus meeting

tomorrow to make this momentous decision about whether to kick out mccarthy or cut a deal. joining us now, congressman mike lauler. what's your reaction to congressman gaetz's move to oust the speaker? >> i think he's a petulant child and he proved that by filing his motion to vacate against the rules of the republican majority conference, which require a majority of the majority to file the motion to vacate. he has used quote, unquote kevin violating conference rules as his rationale behind filing this motion to vacate. so, obviously it's number one, hypocritical. but duplicitous at best. and, you know, i think it just speaks volumes to who that is, his character, and the fact that he doesn't care about the american people. he doesn't care about governing. he cares about getting attention and notoriety. and whatever his personal petty

grievances are with the speaker and putting that above all other considerations. so, we'll see within the next 48 hours obviously a vote will occur. i am supporting kevin mccarthy, as i have throughout, and will continue to do so. i think when you look at the work we are doing as a house republican majority and what we were elected to do to serve as a check and balance on the biden administration and the reck bless spending that occurred under the prior two years, matt is undermining that selfishly and delaying the very important work that we have to do to finish the appropriations process over the next 45 days so that we can get a final agreement on spending, on the border, and on ukraine before november 17th. it's hard to do that work when you are deal being a motion to

vacate. >> mccarthy is at risk of losing five or more republicans, more defections than he can afford on his side of the aisle, which means he'll have to rely on democratic votes to keep his job. how likely do you think it is that democrats are rescue speaker mccarthy? and what does that do to him down the road? >> i guess democrats need to determine first and foremost whether they want to align themselves with matt gaetz. this is somebody who they have derided for years and who has been under ethics investigation. and many of them have not had nice things to say about him. so, if they want to align themselves with matt gaetz to undermine the institution of the house of representatives, that's a choice that they will have to make. the reality is that matt gaetz would need democrat support to remove speaker mccarthy. and the fact that he is willing to do that shows obviously that he doesn't care about governing in a conservative house

majority. he doesn't care about the issues that the american people elected a house republican majority to govern on. and that this is petty and personal. so, you know, "the wall street journal" referred to him as baby gaetz because his daddy gave him his first job in politics. he's a career politician who's never done anything except create chaos and disruption. fitting that he's called baby gaetz, i think he proved himself to be a man child tonight. >> i appreciate your time tonight. coming up next, a cnn exclusive from my colleague, jake tapper. the harshest statements to date about the former president, as well as confirmation of damning stories, repeated damning stories, about remarks that the former president made to kelly behind closed doors attacking u.s. service members and disabled veterans.

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>> yeah. he's setting the record straight about things that have never been confirmed on the record. he is donald trump's longest serving chief of staff at the white house, and he's confirming that donald trump turned to him at arlington and said, i don't get it, about all the dead soldiers. what was in it for them? confirming that at the world war i centennial anniversary, donald trump didn't want to visit a cemetery full of american soldiers because he thought they were suckers, confirming -- >> let me just stop you there. if any other president had ever said anything like that, they would have been -- i mean, can you imagine if president obama had said that? i mean, people would understandably be up in arms. and yet he still said -- >> he's confirming that donald trump called john mccain and george h.w. bush suckers and

losers for getting shot down during vietnam and world war ii, respectively, as naval aviators. i mean, as aviators fighting in those wars. another thing john kelly is confirming was in the book "the divider" by susan glasser and peter baker, donald trump goes to bastille day in france and he sees this amazing parade. this has been -- this was written about. he comes back. he wants his own military parade, not in celebration of anything other than the american military and perhaps a bit also himself. and he goes to john kelly and he says he wants this parade except one difference, he didn't like the wounded veterans that he saw in the french parade. and he says, i don't want that. that doesn't look good for me. john kelly says to him -- you have to understand, these are the heroes. these are our heroes, the only people who are more heroes are the ones buried across the river

at arlington. and president trump says, it doesn't look good for me. it doesn't look good for me. i mean, john kelly has been refusing to confirm these stories on the record for years and years. but finally -- i think what did it for him was donald trump basically saying that general milley should be assassinated, suggesting that he deserved assassination. and in john kelly's view, that basically encourages his supporters to do something to milley. so, that was it. he just gave this very long, very detailed statement about all the ways in kelly's view donald trump is wrong, does not understand -- a person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institution or constitution and the rule of law. and he concludes there is nothing more that can be said. god help us. >> what did the trump campaign say in response? >> first, we went to them, we

didn't tell them who the individual was. we just said a former senior member of the administration is confirming a lot of details in this 2020 atlantic story by jeffrey goldberg, in which donald trump is quoted saying a lot of disparaging things about soldiers who were wounded or killed in the line of duty. and immediately the trump campaign started insulting general milley on the record, disparaging his character, disparaging his credibility. even though general milley was not the person who talked to us for this piece. and, you know, but immediately they started attacking him. we did mention general milley. and they attacked me as well and said that i should stop -- something about fake news and something about sketchy sources. obviously, this news very real, obviously from a rather impeccable source, john kelly. >> jake tapper, thanks so much. to read the entire statement from john kelly, go to cnn.com.

for reaction to what you just heard from jake plus the former president's day in court, i'm joined by james carville and what he would do if he were advising the former president. james, i don't know why i'm surprised or shocked, particularly by what general kelly has said. a lot of it was reported before. but having it all confirmed by a person of kelly's reputation and access to the former president, it would be devastating for any politician in history, except for this man. >> well, first of all, general kelly's retired four star marine corp. general, just so you know. he had some experience in the military. general milley is one of the great soldiers of the 21st century. just look up his résumé. probably at one point, 4 million military personnel in active duty, probably another half million, 600,000 in reserves, which the military definitely count as their own. and the commander in chief is

telling them all this. i have no -- i read the piece that jeffrey wrote. of course i knew it was true because he's not the kind of reporter that was going to make stuff up. >> jeffrey goldberg initially reported these things. kelly is now confirming what goldberg said. >> i knew it was general kelly who told goldberg that. at least i assumed everybody did. it doesn't matter. the person that's perspective commander in chief telling two million americans in uniform and i don't know how many of retired veterans that you have that you're a pack of fools. what -- i don't -- what else can you do? you have a four star general on the record saying this, who is chief of staff to the president, who is head of homeland security? i had no idea. but i've not been able to figure this guy out for a long time. he adjudicated to have raped someone. he's adjudicated business fraud. i have no idea. and he completely disrespects

the most important people in the country. that's the people in the uniform. and he thinks they're all suckers and losers. >> convicted of sexual abuse in the case of new york, e. jean carroll. one of the other things kelly said -- i don't have the exact quote here. but essentially he went further and said that the former president lies about his opinions on abortion, evangelicals, jews, men and women. i mean, pretty much every issue, certainly every hot button issue, that he is known for. >> you know, anderson, i didn't mean to laugh at your question. but he lies about everything. the guy -- what they need to stop doing is do these boxes and chunk this whole 31,611 lies. why don't they have a truth box and say for the 17th time in five years he actually told the truth about something? because we're just numb to

courts finding him libel for things from rape to business fraud. we're numb by his crazy statements. maybe there's a different way to do this. but the second it gets reported and apparently 47.5% of the people in the country don't give a rats patooi. if president clinton had said this, i would have quit. so would have everybody else. if president bush said that, i know the people around him -- they would have resigned. they just wouldn't have stayed. there's no chance that any former president would think or say anything like this. that goes to show you how extraordinary it is. >> lindsey graham, who served this country i believe in the reserves, you know, loyal to this guy. >> yes. well, ron desantis, he was in the navy. why don't you ask him? i mean, there's plenty of people that you can ask about this.

are you calling general kelly a liar? i mean, it's stunning. you're right to highlight this. i can assure you. >> james carville, thank you for being with us tonight. good to see you. salt water where it's not supposed to be contaminating fresh drinking water in parts of louisiana and it could hit new orleans in the coming weeks. a look at why ahead.

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crops, machines, and drinking water systems of almost a million people. >> i happen to be one who believes in the power of prayer. i'm going to ask for people to pray for rain. >> reporter: after a second straight year of extraordinary drought, the not to mighty mississippi is too weak to hold back the gulf of mexico so, the heavier salt water is running downhill, towards new orleans, the shape of a wedge, with a tow that could threaten the health of the vulnerable and destroy everything from lead pipes to appliances. the army corp. of engineers is urgently racing against time and salt with a couple of different tools. this is the first of many barges that can bring a half million gallons of water water at a time. the corp. says they can move 36 million gallons a day. but even that wouldn't be enough to save the new orleans water supply.

so, they're thinking about maybe building pipelines to prop up that water system. in the meantime, the corp. is also building a big see f, an underwater speed bump to slow the wedge. but these are all temporary fixes. and the leader of this parish says if this is the new normal, that means parts of louisiana will need the same kind of desal nation that they use in israel? other desert countries. >> one would be reverse osmosis and the other would be the filtration system. >> keith hinckley is the president of -- parish, a spread out county of less than 25,000, now spending a fortune on desalination. >> it could bankrupt the parish here. we're probably right now about $33 million in on this situation. like i said, we're a small parish. >> just this summer? >> yeah, yeah. just because of this wedge. >> wow. >> this is land that's familiar

with hurricanes. >> oh -- >> and flooding. not droughts and wildfires. how do you reconcile? >> like you say, when you look this way and that way, you're looking at water. we're in the middle of water, but we're in the middle of the wrong kind of water. that's why we're needing these kind of machines. >> reporter: there is hope el nino will bring rare october rain, but this battle could last months. with the latest forecast putting the wedge close to new orleans in the next three weeks. >> but it happened two years in a row because this is considered to be a pattern. >> lieutenant general russel honore led the military recovery efforts after hurricane katrina and said that was the first disaster that made him consider the costs of climate change. now retired, it is the focus of his work, as an environmental activist in his native louisiana. >> for the first time in my life, couple weeks ago, the governor declared a wildfire emergency. i've never heard of that in louisiana before. this time of the year, we're

normally go to church on sunday and the priests are praying for no hurricanes. we need to turn that and start praying for thunderstorms. yesterday we had floods in new york. who would have thought? this time of year, the floods are in the gulf, not in new york. and the city flooded. so, the climate is changing quicker than we're adapting. >> reporter: this is also an issue in south florida, where the king tides around miami lead to salt water intrusion that can be damaging there. but louisiana is the canary in this coal mine due to sea levels rising, droughts like this. this state loses a piece of land about the size of a tennis court every hour. >> bill weir, in new york tonight. thank you for covering that. the news continues. "the source" with kaitlan collins starts now