from the capital and -- we were told from multiple sources that the carjacking or [inaudible] congressman cuellar was out of the car, his car was stolen. and the police -- they're searching for the car and 9:30 this evening. [inaudible] he's safe and we're waiting for more details from his office. [inaudible] from minnesota, she was punched in the face in her elevator home in d.c. just last year. senator rand paul who was stabbed also in the d.c. area. so [inaudible]

of course there's a big night, there's, congress their votes happening, and those fund-raisers and other events. and [inaudible] pulled out from his car and they are searching for the people who did. that's >> a very scary situation. thank you very much for bringing us that latest update. and that's it for me and cnn prime time. cnn with laura coates starts right now,? laura >> thanks, abby. good evening everyone. i'm laura coates and i want you to stay with us for the breaking news on this nine year old girl. you know that i'm a mother, i'm a nine-year-old girl. and this story is very personal to so many mothers and fathers, people, human beings across this country. when this little girl went missing on a camping trip just two days ago, when she was just riding her bike, she has been

found safe tonight. we're gonna unpack all of it. we're gonna talk to our experts and give you everything we know now that this little girl is safe. that is all coming up. i have been waiting also to talk to you all day long about day one, of this trial, against donald trump. he showed up, the cameras were lead in -- sitting at the defendants table. a few feet away from him was the attorney general letitia james who he has called racist and has condemned her for a very long time. a judge is also a few feet away from him, presiding over the entire trial and trump was actually late entering the courtroom because he was too busy insulting that judge in front of the cameras outside the courtroom. and mind you, trump did not have to show up to this. in the state court case in new york, -- to actually appear. you don't trucker trial where he was accused of sexual

misconduct with e. jean carroll, remember that? but this trial, one that could spell the end of this trump's, next one about his wealth and mind you a quarter of a billion -- yes, with a, be a quarter of a billion bucks, and believe he was in that courtroom. was it the campaign trail that he was? on maybe a little bit of both. this to me send it a whole lot like what was going on at the courthouse was another stop on the campaign trail. lisa side. >> this is politics. now it has been very successful because they took me off the campaign trail, i've been sitting in the courthouse all day long. so being in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, or a lot of other places that i could be at. >> he did choose to be there all day. along the better gun was today and there was no -- in the first place. and there's no guarantee that he will actually be there over

the next day or maybe even 2 to 3 months if the judge expects the with or without him inside of that courtroom. we heard from a new york attorney general today letitia james insisting a trial is just about one thing -- >> my message is simple. no matter how powerful you are, no matter how much money you think you may have, no one is above the law. and it's my responsibility and my duty, and my job to enforce it. >> you've heard this phrase about being above the law. i won two -- as we dive deep into this conversation into yet another historic event today, for the president of the united states appearing in the courthouse for his own trial. -- litigation attorney is caught bolden and also roger sabrina,

vice president of the heritage -- also cnn political analyst, laura lopez. a lot to unpack today. i'll begin with my lawyers, i'll turn my shoulder to you for a second, laura. you know i love you. when you think about the consequences of today, the gravitas of what's going on, we have become accustomed i guess to -- have legal trouble. but this feels different, in fact, he was appearing for this trial. scott, what do you make of the first day of this trial? >> a political clown shell. -- >> tell me how you really feel about, it scott. >> i hope, we will probably disagree about things later. but he said his campaign or his criminal cases, his civil case on his civil cases are his campaign. that's how he raises money. that was a political clown show. the attacks on the tissue james and my classmate in harvard law

school, this judge, who had his fate of multiple millions of dollars in their hands, basically. they can negotiate a settlement on this, they probably, won't but with the tissue james, the court could ultimately -- they're gonna give to the state of new york based on his finding a fraud. and the making of those two makes very little sense. but -- to a bench trial, another jury just seemed to be out of place, misplaced a few will inappropriate, but that's what you get with donald trump. when it comes to court. because he doesn't have to be there. remember, this was about the campaign, not about lucier $250 million. >> of course the judge shut down some of the comments by trump's lawyers. and we've litigated some of these matters, it came back down, we hear for this the host binding of fraud.

but one big argument has been,, roger, look where the victims here? the banks are not saying that they got defrauded in some way, they got a lot of their money, if not all of it back. so the trump legal argument offensively has been what's the big deal? it's not a requirement, it is not gonna hold? water >> there's a fundamental concept of. the no victim no crime. so where is the crime? here one of the banks made $40 million an interest. president trump paid all his bills, he playing -- he never missed a payment. so it's a political clown show. but the real leader is letitia james, she is bringing the politically motivated campaign against donald trump. she said that she was gonna get donald trump as part of her political campaigning get but sticks. -- there's no victim, he said that you don't even need an intent to defraud. and we're talking about sophisticated banks, right?

when you give us numbers, the judge said there's only $18 million. one of the most famous properties in america, only $18 million, or -- whatever the thought of it they thought it was fine to go forward with president trump as he paid on his bills. >> you have an issue in part of understanding what the actual statute because it does not require that they be the victim in match, that's one of the issues. but one of the larger issues -- we've all talked about victimless crimes. what about prostitution? who's the victim? we talked about -- we talked about drug cases as well. we have laws in the books that are so called victimless were on people who aren't able to have the same tax, perhaps evasion, or insurance benefits et cetera. what do you say to that? we have so-called victimless crimes but we don't take that off the books. >> this is what we know for certain, if it had not been donald trump running for

president leading in the polls, there would not be prosecution right now. >> do we know that for certain? >> there is no -- >> these investigations, criminal and civil, our ongoing before donald trump entered the race in november 2020. you are publicly known, if you. will donald trump entered the race while the investigations were going on to prevent them to run for office and to halt them or stymie them thinking because he was a candidate that they would not go forward with these criminal investigations. but we make that argument that you just made where i defend people who are committing mortgage fraud, who have not failed on their mortgage. they've been paid. but there's not one federal law, not one state law that requires a victim to get a victim statement invited criminal cases. but nowhere in any book, anyway says that if you violate these laws, if you do persistent and repeated fraud, what do you do with that? you don't need a victim, you need social compliance, you need legal compliance. because a mix is better as a

society. that's not the argument. >> i want to bring laura, here i want to hear your opinion on this too. because there's been a lot of discussions about this being political. trump himself has caused it a political witch. and he cited in there, he called a, victor, largely to, when he said he believes this is a political witch hunt led by laetitia james. there were moments, it was hard to imagine whether it was the campaign moment or a criminal -- civil trial moment. how do you see it? >> the former presidents argument, since he's launched his campaign, has been that everything is a prosecution against him and that he is the ultimate victim, whether it's this case, whether it's the other investigations he calls every single indictment that he's faced, persecution, and that's been his entire campaign argument. he runs on that. he's running on that right now. and he -- it made very well right that all the way to the gop nomination because it appears that it does work for him in the primary. but --

>> but there are a lot of dates in between. that including the trials and things happening, he's got a long way to the -- days away. >> it might help them in the primary, but in the general election that's where it could break down. because of the fact that there are swing voters that i talked to in battleground states who say that they don't think they could vote for, him not just because of the indictments of because as what they see as threats to democracy, and the campaign that he's running. so i think -- there's republican strategists but i've talked to that if -- say if he's indicted in just one of these -- sorry, if he's convicted in just one of these cases, that they think he'll definitely lose the election if it's him against biden. what she found whatever she

couldn't throw against him. had he not been running for president everyone you that he was going to run for president, by that i don't buy that for a moment so according to the campaign that you see in new york only see it in georgia cnbc in florida. you see with higher at a time to ride, and they are going after him because they are afraid he'll get back in the white house. let the people decide and vote. you do not use the justice system and corrupt it to do in and run around the democratic process. >> part of the issue, as you can imagine, is the bald assertions that you are making. the idea that you are not certain that there is any evidence to support several the fact that you have raised. if they were going to have a coordination between laetitia james, and of fulton county d.a. fani willis, there have already been as you know in new york as a point you raised. bands wind the pursue crows criminal charges --

chose not to he's been heavily criticized. your pointer well taken about -- of all of this. but i as a prosecutor need some meat on the bone, everyone's got roger moreira. not mean this laura. i want to thank you for all you've done as well. i also want to someone who's knows a lot about donald trump 's finances, wrote the definitive guide on trump's net worth this year. bring me the meat on the bone dan we are talking a lot about what is happening here, and whether charges would have been brought before he was running for reelection. there is a lot of questions, as you know, about the crux of his entire campaign which is that he is a wealthy, savvy billionaire. to supporters that is exactly what he is. to his opponents he is a fraud, who is not worth half as much as the claims. what is the truth here. based on the reporting that is? >> you can be both. you can be a billionaire every

wildly lying about what you are. this case is ultimately a mass question. if you go through his assets, and you value what they are worth do those values make sense? you can argue about what the price per square foot is for, example in a particular property. what you cannot talk about is how many square feet exist in that property. there are in places where trump has been aggressive, and in other places where he just made stuff up. unfortunately for the former president the prosecutors have all of the backup mass that trump was using to get to his numbers. it is pretty easy to go through it asset by asset and see that he was just making a lot of stuff up. >> we had a guest on the panel today, roger was talking about -- this objective evaluation of the dollar as well. this is part of it part of the rhetoric that is been. that the judge found mar-a-lago is only worth $80 million, $27

million. but his lawyers say it's worth over a billion. they talk about the brand cachet of it being owned by donald trump. but in your article you say it is worth 300 and $25 million. i mean i don't have property like this, but how can there be such a wide range for how much a property is actually worth? >> mar-a-lago is the hardest property in donald trump's portfolio to value. i can tell you it's not worth $18 million and i can tell you it's not worth a billion dollars. if you talk to people who study that market, the presidential real estate in the club business, they will tell you widely varying figures. anywhere from 100 or $200 million, to maybe $700 million. that is a huge, huge gap. we look at the financials are another trades in the neighborhood. there are retractions against his property can't subdivided

into a bunch of houses, that sort of thing. ultimately that's how we come up with $325 million. if you told me it sold for 200 million i would not be shocked, to be told me it's all about for 500 million i would also not be shocked. there are so much variability in this particular assets. to the attorney general to get aggressive position, and to be clear the judge did not take that position, the judge merely said that this is what the county value that. and this is what trump's people are valuing it at, and there is a huge discrepancy. and i think this is one of the weak points of the a.g.'s case, won the place for her matt got a little too aggressive. >> i can imagine many people don't have comps of mar-a-lago to figure out how much of his work, what you are reporting broke down net his net worth. a new york city real estate

makes up the second biggest pocket, so how much are we talking that he stands to lose if he is actually barred from doing business in new york state? >> his assets would be sold, and one of the big questions here is what with the process before selling those assets. one asset in particular to keep an eye on is 40 wall street. this is a building in downtown new york, it does have a pretty significant loan against it. it also has a big problem, which is, it is technically elise hold. in which means donald trump does not own the land, but he won the right he asked to pay to the owners of the land, which is a german family. skyrocket ten years for now. it basically makes that property it ticking time bomb, if he were trying to sell that anyway and investor might look at this is sort of a fire sale. if he has to sell that under duress from the new york attorney general then it is an

extreme fire sale, and could end up in trouble on that loan. the important thing to remember about donald trump's finances that he does have a significant amount of cash is that he does. his best defense is about $425 million, that's roughly the amount of cash even if they forced him to pay a quarter of a billion dollars, sure it will be painful, and it will limit his ability to borrow against buildings in the future, and figure out what to do with expiring loans on office buildings. but he can handle that hit. >> dan alexander, this is rich people problems now, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up a frantic search in new york state, a nine year old girl who went missing while on a camping trip on her family, just two days ago she has been found safe. the governor releasing new details that breaking news

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our breaking news, a nine year old girl who vanished his two days ago a campaign with her family in upstate new york, she has been found safe. please say that charlotte sena is in good health, and i suspect the 47 year old man, is now in custody. here is governor kathy hochul on the moment the case started to break, early this morning. >> for 20 a.m. car pulls up to a mailbox. something is left. we state police immediately go to the mailbox, and identify what is a ransom note that had been left behind for charlotte. state police worked diligently, trying to find a match for a fingerprint, first one tried was not successful, second one was. to identify any other appearance in the new york state database that would

match. they hit came at 2:30 in the afternoon, there had been a dwi in 1999 in the city of saratoga. a fingerprint was found that matched what was found on the ransom note. what >> is that isn't that unbelievable. according to the governor, the suspect is believed to have personally delivered the ransom note to the home of this little girl's parents. unabridged and cnn's chief law enforcement analyst john miller, and also here with us is national security analyst juliette -- i'm so glad the two of you are here. we are all parents, and thinking about just how horrible this story could have turned out. how we have all been accustomed unfortunately to seeing stories like this in the news, and praying for an outcome of our safe return of a child. here we have it today. but the facts of this case john,

unbelievable annette ransom note hand delivered to the mailbox at 4:00 this morning. they were fingerprints on that note and helped provide the suspect. just tell me about the turn of events, and that very crucial keeps of evidence. >> when state police are watching the house, they see the note delivered, the first question is why didn't they stop the car? this is not terribly uncommon. which is people like network news people, and others are leaving messages for the family. well-wishers are leaving cards. but when they looked at that piece of mail, and sent it to the state police lab, they fumed it looking for a print as the governor said. the first print was not the quality that we get them and ideally, they went at it a second time, they got a quality print that they put into the eight this system, the automated fingerprint identification system for new york state.

it runs against any print for anyone that has been arrested on a felony, or been in state prison, and they came up with a match. then they take the note, they take the print that they lifted from it they cross index that was cellular phone records from the town towers around the park at the time. we see it triangulating. see that he was in the area the time of the abduction, at least the phone lines. the print off the letter, a potential ransom demand. and then it was 2:30 this afternoon developing the tactical operation. making a dynamic entry with the swat team, and armored vehicles in need the element of surprise, you need the speed and violence of action. but, you also have to remember that there is a child in there and you do not know what the conditions of the child is being held in. or to even speak the unspeakable, if the child is still alive, they made an entry

planned and executed the entry plan. they found her in a cabinet, and covered up with some kind of blanket. she knew she was being rescued, and they got her to the albany hospital where she was reunited with her parents. as you say laura, this is for a parent, whose child goes missing where the odds are when you enter the second day are increasingly may never see that child again alive. it is like getting your whole life back again. >> unbelievable, and you can't even describe what the family must be feeling right now. and julian the suspect was living in a camper behind his parents home. the cell phone pinned to the area which helped authorities trace the suspect. and as john pointed out they did not follow that car, and you do not want to spooked the suspect into never knowing where the person they are holding where the person might

be. and you are lost at the mercy of the person who may choose to speak to you. but talk to me about the role of technology in a search like this? >> this is one of those issues where your fear, makes this seem like a chronic -- i don't put it into perspective. unfortunately in the united states now we have 350 abductions like this a year, at least as of 2018. most of them do not end up this successfully, and that is why i think there is interest in this. this is the worst fear, and my goodness they deserve a happy and-ing. and part of this is modern technology how are we able to do this. now to look at the fingerprints that are that matched, we have the suspect in there for some randomness. a random crime in a different jurisdiction. not related to this particular

crime. you then have the paying some from the cell phone. that is relatively new technology in the sense of our ability, in realtime, assess where is the network connecting and then we can target where the suspect is. -- >> at one point to that require them to have a subpoena? does that mean the cell phone company was helping? >> the cell phone company would give this up voluntarily if it's an emergency. this is an ongoing crime, the cell phone company what they are capturing now is where he may have moved. but what shawn was saying is really important this idea that if we don't know that he she is alive when you approach the suspect. and you don't want to kill him if she is alive and not with him you have to figure out where she is. the success of this is also of

on the approach to the suspect if she is up there. the last element which is relatively new, and we are used to it now but in john and minds lifetime is the crowd sourcing of this investigation. law enforcement is much more willing now to come out with the details, that they may have to figure out of people have seen someone, heard something, saw something suspicious. given the nature of what happened, she was abducted off of her bike, in a park when she was not far from the people that she was bike riding with. it is a story of technology and modern investigations, and just a good news story we need wind every once in a while. >> certainly we are all thinking about this little girl, she is nine years old. i am from minnesota and i remember st. cloud, the young boy of jacob moderately was taken from his bike, when he was riding with his brother and a companion. his mother went on to serve in

congress patty weather going, and fighting for stories like this to take place i did not happen for her son. i will never forget that as a parent, or as a child growing up without fear in me. juliette, john thank you so much. >> thank you by. >> we've also got some breaking news on congressman henry -- who was carjacked in washington d.c. tonight, the details are a head.

we have more breaking news tonight, texas democratic congressman henry henry cueller was carjacked in washington d.c..

according to his office he was not harmed, cnn's manu raju joins me now on the phone. monika this is unbelievable. >> yes terrifying incident that happened about 9:30 this evening, he was parking his car at the navy yard not too far from the capital. three armed men came up to his car in approached his vehicle, and he was carjacked a gunpoint. his phone was stolen and his i.d. was stolen and even his -- was stolen. and of course his car was stolen. the suspects are still at large, they are searching for the suspects along with the vehicle. the congressman was not harmed according to his office, he was shaken up by all of it. we've seen some violent episodes and congress -- he was punched in the face in

an elevator in the apartment. rand paul was stabbed. members of congress are certainly not immune to violent episodes. it's not uncommon for members of congress meant to be out in about, they have fund-raisers, and dinners in this incident was a scary one. a long time texas democrat henry cueller. [inaudible] something that a lot of members are -- it is a scary night for the congressman. >> three armed carjackers, manu raju thank you, really really scary thankfully the congressman is okay. but it does expose a real issue in the nation's capital, and other cities across the country. up next, hard-line gop

congressman matt gaetz making good on his threat to u.s. speaker mccarthy. the real question wills democrats of for mccarthy a lifeline. james clyburn next.

well new, tonight republican congressman matt gaetz filing a motion to remove kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. now mccarthy is the first speaker in more than 100 years to face this kind of challenge, this comes on the back of mccarthy managing to reach a deal, and a 45 stopgap bill to head off a government shutdown

with of course the help of a democrat. now sources tell cnn, mccarthy will need to rely on democratic votes in order to keep that gavel. here's congressman gaetz earlier tonight. >> he doesn't have my support anymore, and he doesn't have the support of a requisite number of republicans to continue as the republican speaker. now he may continue as the house speaker, he may continue as a speaker of the democrats, and some sort of yunnan party coalition, but he is not going to be a speaker in power as a consequence of republican votes. >> well if you thought things and it there, mccarthy posted to platform acts, bring on. gates replied, just did. joining me now to discuss mccarthy's future and this move to oust him by congressman matt gaetz, james -- assistant democratic leader in the house of representatives congressman clyburn, thank you so much for joining me this evening. as you have seen, we have all

been watching this. republican leadership is in chaos for a lack of a better term. so are democrats going to try and help rescue mccarthy and ensure he actually keeps that gavel? >> well thank you very much for having me. i don't know the resolution, or the -- whatever you might call that was introduced tonight will go through the regular order of things, our caucus will be meeting on a regular schedule tomorrow morning, and i suspect that hakeem jeffries will bring us up today on exactly what may be going on between him and the speaker. so nobody knows where this is going, it is a civil war, within the republican party, and i don't know that --

or oblige to -- i do feel though that the country's business needs to get done. and we know that on the international front, there is a law that needs to be done, about ukraine, and other places in nato. there is a lot that needs to be done on the domestic front, and we can be thinking about the people and put these political issues behind us, and we just have to wait and see. >> well certainly, there is a lot of work to be done for the very reasons you named. one of the impediments of that of course, is the politics, and being able to have function, not dysfunction in congress. but in terms of mccarthy, for him to be the speaker of the house in particular, you are going to be tomorrow morning as a party leadership and discuss these aspects of it, would democrats offered mccarthy a kind of lifeline, and what could democrats possibly demand in return? it is in some respects maybe a

game of leverage. >> well i think that we saw with the vote, for the continuing resolution, it was bipartisan approach to this. and for anything to get done going forward on the house side we require a bipartisan vote. so i think that if this civil war continues, it will be time for speaker mccarthy as i've been saying for several weeks now, to sit down with leader jeffries, and discuss how we can do bipartisan way, the nation's business. >> has he been refusing to this point, congressman, to meet with jeffries on these important issues? >> i have no idea, i seriously -- the lines of communication have been closed, i think they are wide open, i have not been

privy to any of those meetings, but i am sure that something is taking place, between the two. >> we'll speaking of conversations that are happening, congressman clyburn, your fellow congressman matt gaetz is alleging that speaker mccarthy made his words a secret side deal with president biden on ukraine funding. now you have already spoken about the international issues of extraordinary -- now speaker mccarthy denies that secret deal, has a deal been made on ukraine funding? >> i have no idea about that, if there is a secret between the speaker and the president, it is a secret. >> has there been discussion between yourself as a member of leadership and hakeem jeffries and mccarthy? or is there any conversation happening about ukraine? >> not that i know of. i'm sure that the president made very clear that ukraine is the funding for ukraine is

something that he wants very badly, and i cannot seem agree to anything but funding for ukraine. maintaining our place in the nato alliance, maintaining our leadership role around the world. so there is no secret that is what the president wants. i doubt that he is going to agree to anything that falls short of that. >> now speaking of agreements for the second time in three, months congressman, the government has been brought really to the brink. the only problem, and the problem is only being pushed to now 45 days from now. the can has been kicked. for a lot of people looking at this issue, but they are wondering, why can't congress work together to solve the problems in realtime, in a expedited way, what is the answer? >> well, i don't think this is unusual at all, --

>> that is the, point isn't, it is not, unusual it is every year about the 11th hour. >> yes. that is the way we do things. and it did not stop with this congress, it is not going in with this congress. the history of the country is such that it democracy sometimes -- can be messy, and we have to really give everybody an opportunity to be heard, i tell people all the time, if you are looking for efficiency in government, you want one person rule. if you are looking for effectiveness of government, you want everybody to come to the table, so the more people you bring to the table, the more discussions you will, have the more opinions, the more being put forward, and then you will have a harder time bringing it together. nobody wants one person rule. at least we shouldn't. >> very thought-provoking point indeed. congressman james clyburn,

thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> thank you so much for having me. >> well you heard congressman clyburn, he says this is not unusual and people do need to be heard. my next guest is a former gop congressman who has a very different message for his party. it is grow up.

>> well a shutdown narrowly overdid again, only to create a war within the republican ranks. h&m we have all seen before, and we are likely going to see again. today, one former republican congressman who has a message for his party. grow up. former south carolina representative bob nicklaus joins me now, congressman,

thank you for being, here i read your compelling new york times op-ed, in which you have a strong message for your colleagues in the house and republican party to grow up. i wonder if that is your message tonight to, them and to matt gaetz in particular. >> yes it is, i think you can't expect to get exactly what you want in congress. and to do so is to just misunderstand that it is out of many -- that is our national motto, so it is really sort of missing the point of it i think, and a bit like authoritarian separatists, sort of like my way or the highway. he wants to be separated from what is the governing majority, -- >> in some respects, politically, that has been fruitful. maybe one of the reasons people believe they can do that. you wrote candidly about what you see as your own shortcomings you say when you

were in office. so what do representatives in the country elusive people govern in that philosophy of us versus them? >> yes, we really have gone way down that lane, have, entry of saying that the other side as evil. you know, full of demons, and the others that we must slay. that is really a dangerous thing. it is okay to disagree with people, and to present your views, but this demonization is what has got to change. i think what it is is, it works. you can play to the activist in your own party and they feel great, we have a gladiator up there that will go fight for us in this terrible war we have going on. that is no real way to run a country. you know we all face these big questions, huge demographic change technological changes coming at us and climate change

of course. all of these things are real. all of these things we need to address. and, they're probably going to be addressed together rather than pulling apart. >> as you say, -- out of many one. we will see if your party, and frankly all members of congress heed your logic. thank you so, much of former congressman bob inglis, your piece in the new york times, thank you so much. >> great to be with you. >> well thank you all everyone for watching, our coverage continues.