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saying they need more help. and they're asking, as you said, for some kind of coordinated response to be the person and the -- have the federal government be the actor who is deciding where these migrants go, not just leaving up to the governor of texas or ngos or other people sent around and asking for more help with the money to pay for it. >> it's so interesting, isaac. this is great reporting, by the way. to see this out of chicago and illinois. following what the mayor of new york has been saying for a long time now. but, growing call from democrats, key democrats in key states for this white house. isaac, thanks, very much. >> thank you. "cnn this morning" continues right now. matt gaetz launching his attempt to oust kevin mccarthy. >> this has never been successfully executed before in american history. ♪ >> that 9-year-old girl went
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missing during a family camping trip has been found alive. >> the suspect left a note at the home of the young girl's parents. >> leaving critical piece of evidence behind, his own fingerprint. >> for a parent whose child goes missing, this is like getting your whole life back again. former president donald j. trump appearing by choice in a new york courtroom. >> trump's choice to show up was personal as it was political. >> he is watching as his company is in a death spiral. ♪ good morning, everyone. so glad you're with us. there is a lot going on. and so interesting that just a few miles from here, trump will go -- instead of being elsewhere on the campaign trail, he will be here campaigning from the courtroom. >> i think that's the biggest thing. the legal and the political, they converged over and over again and clearly -- i think as kaitlan collins reported last night, sees this as a political moment in the courtroom. >> for sure. >> plenty going on here and in
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washington as well where kevin mccarthy is dealing with his own set of struggles. looks like almost assuredly he will need democrats to help save his job from conservative republican revolt. overnight, congressman matt gaetz triggered historic vote to oust mccarthy. its the first time this has happened in over a century. >> i have enough republicans where at this point next week, one of two things will happen. kevin mccarthy won't be the speaker of the house or he'll be the speaker of the house working at the pleasure of the democrats. i'm at peace with either result because the american people deserve to know who governs them. >> pivotal day ahead on capitol hill before the vote happens. sources say mccarthy will try to have the measure killed. house democrats are getting ready to meet as they decide whether to help keep him in power. mccarthy can only lose four republican votes. five said they would vote to get rid of mccarthy.
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that means he needs to support of democrats to stay in power. at least 13 republicans who are undecided but open to voting mccarthy out. let's bring in our congressional correspondent lauren fox fantastic at math, sorting out all those numbers for us. clear thing is, he needs democrats. >> yeah. he absolutely needs democrats at this point. that's why we're sort of in this uncharted territory. democrats are going to huddle behind closed doors around 9:00 a.m. this morning on capitol hill. their leadership telling them this could be an extended caucus meeting and opportunity to have a conversation among members. and there's an adversity of opinion about where democrats should go in this moment. you hear from some republican allies of mccarthy that if democrats care about this institution, that they will just vote to move on with this resolution. but, you hear from a lot of democrats they're not going to be a cheap date on this. they believe they could get major extractions from the speaker, from republicans if
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they were to help him. there are many democrats who don't even want to lift a finger to do that. arguing that this is a mess of mccarthy's own making, that he's the one who allowed this rules package that any one single member could bring up this resolution to try and oust him. and that is exactly the moment that they have found themselves in. that is what many democrats are saying. so right now something to keep in mind is the reality that the republican conference is also divided on what should happen. they're going to be meeting behind closed doors as well, not too far away from where the democrats are meeting. also, you have some hardliners who aren't being fans of kevin mccarthy but also weighing if this is the right moment to try to oust him. i talked to ralph normum. he said he's concerned if they go forward with this, the implication could be that they would not get to one year spending bills, bills that had been promised by the republican
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leadership and that in 45 days they could find themselves in a another shutdown showdown given the fact that they will have spent so much time dealing with this on the floor because republican, if mccarthy is ousted, you have a situation where who is the speaker. and who would actually have the 218 votes to rise and become the next speaker? that is something that a lot of hard liners, even people who want to oust kevin mccarthy cannot answer right now. poppy. >> lauren fox, shutdown, showdown say that five times fast. let's hope we don't get there again. thank you. phil? well, this morning a 9-year-old girl is back in the arms of his loved ones after vanishing from a new york state park over the weekend. charlotte sena's disappearance search included 400 people. the major break in the case was a ransom note left in her parent's mailbox. now a suspect, 47-year-old craig nelson ross is in custody. cnn's jean casarez joins us
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live. the pressure as the clock continued to tick, mounting, the breakthrough, though, it's remarkable story. >> reporter: absolutely remarkable. you know, charlotte and her family were camping just up the road here. it was saturday. she was riding her bicycle with her friends. she wanted to make one more loop around. her family said she could. she never returned. at 6:15 saturday evening, she was missing. law enforcement immediately began to converge. they were going to search for her. they did search for her, but they also stood guard at the family's home at 4:20 yesterday morning, a man came to the family's home, deposited a letter in the mailbox. that turned out to be a ransom note. they needed a fingerprint. they worked all day to try to get a hit. and they did. at 2:15 yesterday afternoon, a 1999 dwi arrest by craig ross
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jr., that led them to a resident where he lived behind his mother's house in a trailer. the s.w.a.t. team stormed into that trailer at 6:30 last night. they got him in custody. charlotte was found in a cabinet. she was taken to a hospital in albany for safety precautions. she's been reunited with her family, the governor says. now we are waiting. shortly, we believe, criminal charges to be filed. phil? >> jean , thank you. let's bring in john, this is what we were all pay preying for and hoping for. but the fact that they found her really quickly it says a lot. >> it does. it says they rushed into this literally with every possible resource they could bring in terms of technology, investigators, help from the
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fbi, everything that they could bring to bear because they know there's a clock ticking on cases like this. the longer they go, especially in the first two days the wor the outcome could be. >> the ransom note seemed to be the big break. but the governor was talking about multiple different elements that kind of led them to this point. what else was at play here? what else were they looking at? >> well, that's where we're going to learn a little more about today because we have to start with, you know, that ransom note and some things the state police said on the first day which is we're looking at this as a targeted kidnapping. meaning, who is craig ross, 47 years old, record for minor arrests, not a master criminal. why charlotte? why that park? why that time? why this family? and the answer may be he was just waiting for the right moment and the right opportunity with a child that was by herself, not with a group of other children, a lack of witnesses. or the answer could be based on
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early hint we got from police that this might be targeted that there's a connection to that family. so, they've got to peel back not just with the -- charlotte's family but also through the suspect's information, was there any connection? did they ever work together? is it possible they knew each other? and i think we'll learn whether or not that was the case later today when they have their other press conference. >> the governor identified him as 47-year-old craig nelson ross jr. we heard from jean. do we know anything about his history? >> he appears to have an aggravated harassment arrest. he has a driving while under the influence arrest in saratoga. these are old arrests, though. but strangely, poppy, in that way, he fits the profile of a child abductor. you know, 30 something percent of them have no criminal record, which actually makes them harder to trace. and 40 something odd percent
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that do, these are generally not other kidnappings and you know sexual assaults of children. it's generally a mixed bag of minor offenses. they have a real diversity in criminal background. in this case, you know, you talk about luck. his criminal background was a stroke of luck because when they got that ransom note and they ran that print and they had to do it twice because the first one didn't catch, that's what in the afis system, automated fingerprint system for new york state, matches a partial to a person, that's the record that clicked. >> how often do we see ransom note type cases in child abduction? i feel like you see them all the time in the movies but don't see a lot of these stories at least publicly from a law enforcement perspective? is this regular? >> that's a really interesting question because you don't see a lot of that. i mean, when you look at child abductions by child predators who are usually child sexual
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predators, you know, that mean age is mostly female, almost 100% and the average age is 11 years old. so with a 9-year-old girl in this case we're in that ballpark. kidnapped for ransom is not for sexual predators. the money -- the money is the motive. and that's a different kind of criminal. and that's a different kind of kidnapping. i ran a lot of kidnappings, particularly in los angeles. and the ransom drop was always the opportunity and the worst moment of the case because you had to decide, do we do the ransom drop and let the person go and attempt to follow them, maybe to lead us back to the victim? but if you give them enough room so that they don't detect the tail, and you lose them, you lose the money, you lose the suspect, you lose your trail to the victim. so, you have to make a real decision whether to jump in. in this case they were able to get ahead of that by a clue left on the note. >> and bring charlotte sena home. fascinating. thanks so much, john. appreciate it.
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well, former president trump says he'll be back in court today and in just a few hours the president's son, hunter biden, will also be walking into a courtroom for his arraignment on three felony gun charges. calls grow for san francisco to ban driverless vehicles after a woman was seriously injured in an accident involving one overnight.
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♪ just under three hours president biden's son hunter will be in a delaware courtroom for an arraignment on three felony gun charges. he's accused of lying after he said he wasn't addicted to drugs when he bought a firearm in 2018. he's expected to plead not guilty. cnn's evan perez is live outside the federal courthouse in wilmington. evan, the plea deal fell apart dramatically. there's a special counsel investigation. there's this. walk through where we are right now. >> reporter: well, phil, the president's son is going to walk into this courthouse in just a couple hours. you could see people standing in line right there behind me to get a seat inside the courtroom. look, this is something that's never happened, right? the son of the president is going to come in here.
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he's going to plead not guilty to these three counts and will be processed by the federal officers inside the courthouse there and then probably release on his own recog any sense. he's facing these three counts as a result of the fact that this plea deal that was hammered out and was supposed to get ironed out in july, late july just fell apart spectacularly. right before the judge when the judge asked simple questions about exactly what this plea deal covered. now, that was a diversion agreement under which for 24 months hunter biden just had to abide by not using drugs, not buying any firearms and then this would have been over with. now he's facing three counts related to when he bought a firearm back in 2018. he owned it for just a few days. and according to the indictment, he lied on the form that you fill out when you buy that firearm. he was addicted to drugs. he has written about this fact that he's addicted. he was addicted to drugs at the
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time. and, as a result, federal -- the federal law says that was a federal violation. now, we anticipate that this is not the -- it's not over after this because we know the special counsel is still investigating hunter biden over his taxes. it is possible they'll bring charges in either washington or southern california where he lives. so this might just be the beginning of what we'll see with hunter biden and the special investigation that's been going on for five years, phil. >> historic first for the child of a president with many more potential steps to come. evan perez outside the court steps in delaware. thank you. this morning day two of the 250 million civil fraud trial against donald trump gets under way. and trump waste nod time going after the judge in the case. listen. >> it's a judge that should be disbarred. this is a judge that should be out of office.
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this is a judge that some people say could be charged criminally for what he's doing. he's interfering with an election. and it's a disgrace. >> not sure what the bases in fact for those allegations are. but joining us now retired u.s. district judge in the southern district of new york. judge, very good to have you. appreciate your time. there's that. right? he's also gone after the attorney general. i want to go to the substance of what happened in the courtroom yesterday. the testimony we heard and the bases for the prosecutor's arguments here. what is your assessment? >> well, yesterday we heard an accountant who had worked with macers. he was testifying about tractions that occurred in 2011. the statute of limitations says we're not interested in anything until 2014. but what's at issue here is not the traction but the actual false statement about it. so the false statement is made in 2014 even though it's about
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an event that occurred in 2011. so it actually made sense for the attorney general to put in that evidence because the background of the statement is the transaction. but it's the statement that's at issue. >> the judge did question, though, is the ag going to take this argument further. the trump legal team thinks that's a strong point for them. >> i don't think it's a strong point for them. i think the judge said i hope this won't go on forever. i don't want to hear much more of this. i've already said what the statute is. i understand that. but she has to prove her case. and to prove her case she has to first give the background of the transaction and then the false statement about the transaction and the statement was made after 2014. >> one of the defenses we heard from trump's attorneys yesterday aligned with what we heard leading up to this moment which is this is how everybody does it. this is the way things work. which you can put that aside for a second. alina defended the valuation saying this value is what someone is willing to pay.
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the trump properties are mona lisa properties. it's not fraud. it's real estate. >> that's the market. whatever a person is willing to pay sets the market. but that defense in this specific case, does it have validity? >> no, it has no validity because it's speculative. a willing buyer is someone who is making an offer or about to make an offer or has discussed an offer. it's not what's in the mind of ms. habba or former president trump. they might believe that a buyer will turn up who will pay hundreds of millions. but they have no evidence of that. so you can't just speculate. >> but then can i ask you what -- because this is an issue we had david shohen on who represented trump in one of his impeachment trials. his point is, to your argument, if you flip it, the judge didn't have a bases for an $18 million valuation or the ag didn't have bases for $18 million valuation on mar-a-lago, do you know what i'm saying? >> yes and no. i read the judge's opinion and there were actual valuations
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made on most of these properties. there were documents by appraisers, by accountants. there were documents that gave numbers. for all these things. >> the 18 million was from the palm beach assessors. >> your argument is before he was president and now it would be worth more if you have a president's property. >> that's right. i'm sure they would be worth more but not 2,300% more which is one of the percentages in this charge. >> can i ask about the attacks going into the courtroom, coming out of the courtroom. >> sure. >> to some degree we're all numb to it from the former president at this point. but in your experience, as you watch that happen, what comes to mind? >> it comes to mind that this person has a habit and has always had a habit of attacking judges. he had that habit before he was elected president, while he was president and after he's been president. that's his m.o. to say this judge can't be fair.
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this judge is indian decent, a racist, a democrat. he finds something to say about every judge unless it's a judge that he knows or feels is on his side because he appointed that judge. then he says that's a wonderful judge. so when aileen cannon got one of his cases he said she's a great jumg. of course she had been a judge less than two years. but that's his m.o. >> i would be remiss to let you go without asking about hunter biden today. the fact that his attorney abby lowel said let him appear by video conference because he's in california, i think it's notable that they came back and said, the prosecutors said, no, he has to be in court and the judge ruled that way so that he is treated like other defendants would be treated. what do you say? >> i think that's why the judge did it, so it would not look like favoritism. it wouldn't look special. however, if it was anybody else,
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sort of average person whose name we never heard of, the judge might have allowed a remote hearing. i think there's a bend over back ward effect. for example, these three so-called felony charges, i shouldn't say felony charges. they are felony charges. yes, they're felony charges. but they're almost always reduced to a misdemeanor. they're almost always have no jail tile. almost always end up in diversion for first offender and he is a first offender. but here it's really important to look like he's not being treated any better than anyone else. what that turns into is he may be being treated slightly worse than anybody else but it's an effort to look fear. >> judge, thank you very much. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> thanks. texas congressman henry cuellar carjacked in d.c. the details next. at least three people have been killed in a shooting in a mall in thailand. we have those breaking details ahead.
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5:00 p.m. local time. police arrested a 14-year-old suspect who was found with a weapon. authorities are still in the process of counting the total number of fatalities. we'll keep you posted on it. overnight, congressman henry cuellar carjacked at gunpoint about a mile away from the capitol in washington, d.c. police located the car, but they're still trying to track down three suspect. our gabe cohen join us live with much more on this reporting. it is frightening and happened in, what, about 9:00 p.m. last night. is he okay? >> reporter: yeah, poppy. that's the good news. we understand that representative henry cuellar is okay. you're right, this happened right around 9:30 last night in this busy, high-end part of washington. navy yard, a neighborhood as you can see behind me, less than one mile away from the u.s. capitol, just right down this street. a quarter mile in the other direction, nationals park, the baseball stadium. this is a neighborhood where ko congressional leaders live, young professionals live, bars,
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restaurants. so there would have been plenty of people still out and about last night around 9:30 when representative cuellar was carjacked while parking right by this intersection. we did get a statement in from his chief of staff saying, as congressman cuellar was parking his car this evening, three armed assailants approached the congressman and stole his vehicle. luckily he was not harmed and is working with local law enforcement. thank you to metro pd and capitol police for their swift action and for recovering the congressman's vehicle. they did recover that honda, although those three armed assailants did make off with the congressman's phone, ipad, even his dinner. and so, there's a lot of concern right now for about safety here in this area for locals and, of course, for the leaders on capitol hill who represent constituents all over the country. i want to show you, there is an increased police presence this morning. we have seen at least one police cruiser on this corner since we
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have been here for several hours. now look, this is an area where we would expect to see increased patrols because of not just the amount of people that live here but also the proximity to capitol hill, poppy. look, bear in mind, it's been about eight months since representative angie craig, a democrat from minnesota, was attacked her d.c. apartment just across town. so, there have been a lot of people talking about the increase in violent crime in the district, including motor vehicle thefts, which have close to doubled since this time last year, compared to this time last year, poppy. so, a lot of concern about those numbers at this point. >> of course, of course. we're glad he's okay. but terrifying for it to have happened. gabe, thank you for the reporting from washington. phil? >> well, this morning a woman is in the hospital after suffering critical injuries after she was hit by a driverless car in downtown san francisco last night. now, according to the fire department, she has multiple life threatening injuries. >> there's a number of different concerns when we have motor vehicles at intersections,
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high-speed intersections, pedestrians, lighting, nighttime. there's a lot of different factors that come together to cause this. >> the car which was operated by the self driving car company cruise had no driver nor a passenger to witness the accident, but the car has its own cameras that helped in the investigation. well, a break from tradition for the catholic church this morning. pope francis suggesting for the first time that people in same sex unions could be blessed by catholic priests on a case by case basis. the announcement is a reversal from 2,000 years of tradition and from his statement in march that the church could not bless same sex unions because they couldn't, quote, not bless sin. this also comes after the pope received a letter from a group of cardinals asking him for clarity on the issue in response, the pope reiterated that the church only recognizes marriage as a union between a man and a woman, but he says, quote, we cannot be judges who only deny, reject and exclude. cnn exclusive john kelly, former chief of staff to former
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statements made by former president trump. our colleague jake tapper has it all in this report. >> i, donald john trump. >> reporter: no other president had so many former top aides making such harsh public assessments. most recently, cassidy hutchinson. >> i think that donald trump is the most grave threat that we will face to our democracy in our life time. and potentially in american history. >> reporter: she joins a growing chorus. >> i think he's unfit for office. >> he will always put his own interest and gratifying his own ego ahead of everything else. >> reporter: and today, trump's longest-serving former chief of staff john kelly is chiming in with his harshest criticism yet. in an exclusive statement to cnn, kelly says about trump, what can i add that has not already been said? calling president trump, quote, a person that has no idea what america stands for and has no idea what america is all about. >> go in the very -- >> reporter: for the first time ever, kelly sets the record
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straight with on the record confirmation of a number of damning details about donald trump from background sources. including from a 2020 atlantic story, reported with unnamed sources by editor in chief, jeffrey goldberg, including the stunning detail that trump turned to kelly on memorial day at arlington national cemetery in 2017 and asked, i don't get it. what was in it for them? this is kelly, confirming on the record, stories of trump insulting senator john mccain, and former president george h.w. bush because in vietnam and in world war ii respectively the former aviators were shot down. kelly describes trump as, quote, a person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as p.o.w.s are all, quote, suckers because, quote, there is nothing in it for them.
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a person that did not want to be seen in the presence of military amputees because, quote, it doesn't look good for me. a person that demonstrated open contempt for a gold star family, for all gold star families on tv during the 2016 campaign. and rants that our most precious heroes who gave their lives in america's defense are, quote, losers and wouldn't visit their graves in france. kelly confirming on the record a story reported in the book "the divider" where trump tells kelly he wants a military parade, like one he saw for bastille day in france, except he does not want any wounded veterans. kelly confirming that trump, in 2018 in france, refused to visit graves of americans killed in world war i. to cnn kelly calls trump, a hypocrite, saying he is, quote, not truthful regarding his position on protection of unborn
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life, on women, on minorities, on evangelical christians, on jews, on working men and women and he concludes trump is, quote, a person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic constitutions, our constitution and the rule of law. he concludes, there is nothing more that can be said. god help us. >> he's doing a great job as chief of staff. >> reporter: a stunning repudiation by a man who worked side by side with trump long than any other of trump's many chiefs of staff. kelly also criticized trump for saying that chairman general mark milley should be executed. in a departure speech on friday, milley responded. >> we don't take an oath to a king or a queen or to a tyrant or dictator and we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator. >> reporter: some of the people who know donald trump the best,
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now warning of the threat they think he poses if elected in november, 2024. >> jake tapper joins us now. it is notable, i think, you got this reporting in the same span of day that milley made those comments. i wonder what the trump team and trump himself is saying about it. >> reporter: well, we reached out to the trump campaign before our report. we said that former senior administration official was going on the record with us to confirm several of the details of trump disparaging veterans and those who were killed in action as mentioned in that 2020 story by jeffrey goldberg in the atlantic magazine, trump's response was to disparage mark milley even though we did not mention mark milley and in fact, mark milley played no role in
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the story at all. they also attacked me and said that i should stop peddling fake news from shady sources. obviously this is very real news from an impeccable source. but any way, that was their response. >> okay. >> jake, the significance of this in normal times former chief of staff coming out saying things on the record is dramatic. in this past administration so many people have come out and said so many things and confirmed lots of staff. but this was different. john kelly was different. why? >> reporter: i think what was the final straw for kelly, and i've been talking to kelly -- i've known kelly for a long time, since before even he was the department of homeland security secretary. and i think what -- i'm assuming here. i'm interpreting. this is not a statement of fact. but i think if i may speculate i think the statement about executing mark milley might have been the final straw for him.
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he's really been very upset about what trump has been saying, trump is the disparaging of gold star families, disparaging of wounded veterans, disparaging of soldiers who gave their lives in world war i has been very upsetting for him for years and years and years. but i think the comments about mark milley who served his country honorably for 40 years the threatening to execute him and then in kelly's view he thinks that trump saying that publicly is basically a call to arms, a hope that one of trump's followers will then take action against general milley. and i think that probably is what pushed him over the edge to finally come forward and give this blistering commentary about what he thinks about trump. when you read the comments, i mean, these are the comments of a patriot, of a soldier, of a marine. the comments of a conservative
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republican. this is not him outflanking trump on the left. but he is very, very disappointed. >> and then we heard general milley speak out again last night, jake, on nbc with lester holt. let's just play part of that interview. >> everyone is entitled to their opinion. and i served my country faithfully for four and a half consecutive decades in peace and war. and my family has made enormous sacrifices for this country and my mother and father before me and grandparents before them. so, i'll take a backseat to no one on loyalty to this country. and my loyalty is to the constitution. >> your thoughts on that, jake, in this moment. >> i mean, what's so crazy about this is this is all based on milley before the 2020 election in a phone call that was approved by the trump administration calling the chinese because he had received intelligence that china had gotten faulty intelligence that trump was going to attack china. and doing basic deconfliction, making sure that china didn't
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mistakenly think that trump was going to attack china, which all reporting suggests that he was not. and this was approved by the acting secretary of defense. and there really is nothing particularly controversial about this. this was just making sure that there were no misunderstandings. but, for some reason -- and this also, by the way, this was reported in jeffrey goldberg's latest piece in the atlantic, his profile of general milley called "the patriot" this was approved in a book by bob woodward and bob costa last year, i don't particularly understand why this would prompt donald trump to call for his execution and accuse him of treason when there's literally nothing treasonist about this except this is another comment by donald trump and comment disparaging somebody who served his country for four decades, somebody who was chairman of joints chiefs of staff because donald trump appointed him to
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that role and who kept the country, you know, in the -- kept the ship sailing smoothly. there's nothing treasonist. i still fully don't understand what exactly is the offense that allegedly took place here given the fact that donald trump had not intended to attack china and this was a call that was approved by the acting secretary of defense. none of it makes any sense. but again, that's kind of par for the course when it comes to this particular presidential candidate. >> and you make a key point both with john kelly and general milley and everybody else spoken out from inside the administration. trump picked them. he selected them. jake, this is really important reporting. thanks for coming on this morning. >> thanks, guys. appreciate it. with us now is alyssa fair griffin and former aide cassidy hutchinson, "enough" details the chaos and lawlessness at the end
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of the trump administration. alyssa, the jeff goldberg atlantic story at the i'm in 2020 that mentioned some of the stuff related to the veterans, you were quoted in that story as a white house spokesperson saying this report is false. president trump holds the military in the highest regard, he demonstrates his commitment to them at every turn. take people inside that. >> so i remember when this story came out, it was you know -- hit like a lightning rod in the west wing. the former president was very upset about it and i spent the morning or afternoon running around talking to my counterparts at dod, the national security counsel and internally at the white house for people who would have been on that trip in france that was specifically alluded to because i was not working with trump then to get somebody to either corroborate what was said or to say that didn't happen. ultimately i took the former president's word which, of course, i would never say that i would not disparage the military and went on the record with that. i really applaud general kelly for coming forward and saying this so definitively now. i think something that -- something myself and others deal with is what's the timing that
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people choose to come forward? i'm someone who is guilty of could i have spoken out and said something sooner, could i have made that more clear. but what matters is this, general milley, general mattis all spoke on the the unfitness of donald trump and that has to breakthrough. these are the senior most military leaders in the country saying he doesn't understand the constitution and the role of the military and also just the duty to the constitution over any individual man. >> and cassidy, glad you're here and welcome to the table with us. >> thank you for having me. >> you also write in your book and said in your interview with jake which was really illuminating and last night, you believe donald trump is a grave danger to the country. you were on the plane with him at the time that the atlantic story that alyssa was just referencing were. >> yes. >> you're in the air. and you talk about trump in your book as being visibly distraught and write it was a side of the president most americans never van opportunity to see, sympathetic, concerned,
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apprehensive, it's a side he keeps disguised for fear, i suspect, of appearing weak. he also insisted to you none of this was true. >> right. >> did you know when he was telling the truth or not? >> sometimes it was easier to discern than other times. but like alyssa said, this time we took the word -- we took his word for it. but with that said, too, disparaging the military is sort of -- one of the easiest issues for him to avoid. they're easily the most respectable group of americans. they're the americans willing to lay their life down for this country. i'm going to take the word of military members, like general kelly or like mattis or like milley, who are coming out saying this because they're the ones that are willing to lay their life down for the country when donald trump has proven time and time again that he has no respect for our institutions and no respect for our rule of law. >> we have a lot more to talk to you both about. so stick around. okay. we'll see you back here in just a few minutes.
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so welcome back. this morning some parents are struggling get the updated covid vaccine for their children as within expected winter uptick of cases looms, this comes as a rollout of the new shots is facing a host of complications, making harder for pediatric doses, which are smaller doses, to become available due to their size and packaging. dr. sanjay gupta is live with a lot more. good morning to you. i have been hearing ads all over the place of nurses and doctors talking about the efficacy and safety of covid vaccines for
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children. so for parents who say i am going to get it, they should be able to get it easily. what's happening? >> yeah, i mean, there are a few things going on here. keep in mind, this is the first year the federal government has not handled the rollout. there have been problems in the past to be fair. you don't have sort of a national strategy here. it's a patchwork strategy. also, when the public health emergency ended may, several things ended alongside that, including the ability for pharmacies to give these shots to people as young as 3 years old. that was part of the public health emergency. so it makes it more challenging. you have to go to the pediatrician's office, make the payments, sometimes they don't have the shots. there is also an increased demand. in the past, there hasn't been a huge up take for the shots especially in young children. between june and september, there has been a five-fold
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increase in hospitalizations. half of those have been in children between the ages of 0 and 4. so really young children are the ones that seem to be getting hit hardest by this. i should point out as you look at the numbers for most children under 5 who are hospitalized, they didn't have an underlying medical condition, okay? so that's another reason that pediatricians say everyone needs to be get vaccinated, not just people at high risk because of some underlying problem. >> what is the cdc saying about the rollout up to this point? >> i think mainly the message we have been hearing from them is urging patients -- i mean, i think a lot of pediatricians i talked to said, why didn't they have this in place before the start of the school year? we knew the numbers were going to get worse. the cdc director was asked about it. here's what she said. >> we do know that our manufacturers and distributors were getting out the adult
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vaccines first. so that was what was shipping in the first number of days. now they are shipping pediatric vaccines. so i would say that the supply is filling out. >> so we will see over the next couple of weeks. i mean, again, there hasn't been a huge demand for this to be honest for young people in the past. that demand seems to be higher. they wanted to get the medications to adults first. hopefully, it will fill out like the cdc director is saying. >> sanjay, this new shot, does it help children not contract covid or does it just help if they get it in terms of preventing them from getting quite sick? do we know? >> yeah. this is always a source of conclusion. it helps with the second part of your question so people don't get as sick from it. that's always been sort of the greatest attribute, if you will, of these vaccines. if you do get sick, if you
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contract the virus while you have the vaccine, you could still spread it. but it may lower your chance of contracting it in the first place. >> okay. >> so it can help both those things. people still get covid even after they have been vaccinated and can still transmit it. they accumulate it in their nose, upper airway, and ka transmit. >> both really important things. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you so much. >> you got it. just a few hours, hunter biden and donald trump will head to court. we will have a preview of the big legal day ahead. stay with us.
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