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for the very first time ever, republicans have successfully ousted a sitting speaker. >> kevin mccarthy only serving for 269 days. his speakership undone by eight republicans. >> the ripping off of the band-aid. that's what we need to do to get back on track. >> i do not regret negotiating. the government is designed to find compromise. >> the era is definitely over. >> they're in total disarray. they need time to figure out what's next. >> i think the american public understands what we're doing and fully support it. >> president biden is going to aim to strike a tone of business as usual. >> the house cannot do anything until there is a speaker elected here. good morning from washington, d.c. we are live outside the capitol.

the house of representatives is paralyzed after kevin mccarthy became the first speaker in the history of the chamber to be removed. that means congress can't do its job for the american people and no one is running the show, at least not officially or formally with weeks left to prevent a government shutdown. >> the office of speaker of the house of the united states house of representatives is hereby declared vacant. >> what a moment. the house has been plunged into unprecedented chaos at a critical moment for our nation. republicans are now scrambling to find a new leader after a rebellion of eight led by matt gaetz was able to topple mccarthy. >> if today's world if you're sitting in congress and you took a gamble to make sure government was still open and eight people can throw you out as speaker, and the democrats who said they wanted to keep government open,

i think you have a real divide. i think you have a real institutional problem. that is not a government that works. that is chaotic. >> it is anybody's gue guess wh might succeed mccarthy. names emerging house judiciary chairman jim jordan, majority leader steve scalise, kevin hern's name also out there. our congressional correspondent lauren fox is here with us. good morning to you. no speaker. never happened. where do we go? >> historic times. uncharpted territory. we are in a place where the future of what will happen on the floor is uncertain, and a large question looming what does this mean for republicans' ability to keep their majority in 2024? former house speaker kevin mccarthy vowing not to run for speaker again. after an unprecedented vote tuesday plunging the house of

representatives into chaos. >> unfortunately, 4% of our conference can join all the democrats and dictate who can be the republican speaker in the house. i don't think that rule is good for the institution, but apparently i'm the only one. >> reporter: the motion to vacate was filed by representative matt gaetz who, along with seven other gop members, voted to oust the speaker. with democrats' votes, the motion passed 216-210. >> those eight people are anarchists. >> reporter: mccarthy's speakership was the third shortest in history andrd plagued with gop infighting over spending cuts, borpder security and providing aid to ukraine. >> you all know matt gaetz. you know it was personal. it had nothing to do about spending. >> speaker mccarthy's time is over. i wish him well. i hope he finds fruitful pastures. >> reporter: now the race is on

for house republicans to elect a new speaker as another possible government shutdown is 44 days away. >> what i'd like you to take away from it is i'm tired of being lectured by people who have been here for decades and have put us in $33 trillion in debt. >> reporter: several names have emerged as possible contenders for speaker including house majority leader steve scalise. scalise has already started reaching out to members, gauging a possible bid for the role. >> no one really knows who has the votes, so now we're going to go through that exercise right now and see who has our support. >> reporter: another possible name floated is house judiciary chairman jim jordan. >> i thought it was unfair to kevin. he was a good man, and he didn't deserve this, in my judgment. >> will you run for speaker? >> that's a decision for the conference. >> reporter: one person not interested in the job is gaetz. >> are you putting yourself

forward for the speakership? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: mccarthy, for his part, says he has no regrets about his tenure as speaker. >> i don't regret standing up for choosing governing over grievance. it is my responsibility of it is my job. >> reporter: and as you can expect there is palpable frustration within the republican rank and file as many members believed kevin mccarthy was doing as good of a job as anyone could, and the reality is if they keep the turnt rules package, which hard l-liners ar probably going to insist on, the next speaker will deal with the same problems. >> you have a lot of work to do the next couple of weeks to do. appreciate it. joining us is one of the republicans who supported kevin mccarthy, congressman lawler. appreciate your time this morning. not a joyous time in the building behind us or within your conference. getting a sense of what the

landscape is, do you have somebody in mind now that speaker mccarthy has taken himself out, to be the next leader of the conference? >> i do. but i think there will be a lot of questions that have to be answered by potential candidates. >> who? >> i will not say publicly. i think there needs to be a reckoning within the conference, accountability for the eight individuals who selfishly up ended our house majority and put their own interests above the country, above the conference, and above the institution behind us. >> what does accountability look like? >> to me, they need to lose their committee assignments and there needs to be consideration as to whether or not they're even participate of the conference. we had house republican conference rules that require a majority of a majority before bringing the motion to vacate to

the floor. the fact these eight individuals teamed up with aoc, omar, bowman who pulled the fire alarm the other day to upend a vote. and hakeem jeffries. it's wrong. they voted for a check and balance on the biden agenda. they have torpedoed the work we were doing. they talk about the need to spend single subject spending bills. they have delayed that indefinitely and, frankly, be put whoever the next speaker. i want to know from any potential speaker how they intend to deal with those eight, number one. number two, i want to understand what they did to support kevin mccarthy, whether or not they stood up and fought for kevin

mccarthy and our majority. i also want to understand how they intend to deal with house rules going forward. this motion to vacate needs to go. >> do you think there's a rules package -- you need the votes for that as well. >> this motion to vacate of one person disrupting the entire house and holding everybody hostage needs to go. it is not a workable situation. kevin mccarthy did a phenomenal job as speaker, and he was severely underestimated time and again by the media, by the democrats and, frankly, by republicans. and he delivered on a lot. but you had a handful of people for petty personal reasons who decided their interests mattered more than the country. i think it's disgusting, and i think the rules need to be relooked at.

>> do you think can you get the majority? >> i will fight like heck to get that person to do it. i think this country needs to move in a different direction. >> you fought for mccarthy and he's gone. that's not an indictment of you. i'm trying to figure out the dynamics of your conference. >> kevin mccarthy earned the speakership. he earned my support, the sporp of the overwhelming majority of our conference. he's a good man who fought for this country, who did the right thing. the republiason he's removed, ht the government open. what a disgrace he did not want the government to shutdown. how do we fight for conservative

principles, conservative ideas but understand the reality? i have people in my conference who didn't seem to grasp the fact we're in a divided government. that thought if we yelled we want $1 trillion in discretionary spending, it will happen. it's a joke. >> but those people are still in your conference and have still made clear that top line level is what they want. my broader question is i've watched this all play out has been nothing will change. >> i think it's incumbent on the conference to change it. not any one individual. i've been saying that for weeks that the conference needed to push back forcefully. this was not on the speaker alone to do it. and i think it's important now that we're in this situation, whoever the next speaker is, is going to have to deal with this head on.

as far as i'm concerned for my vote, that will matter. >> the reason why kevin mccarthy got to be speaker of the house with a slim majority, what do you tell constituents back home in terms of what you are accomplish, how governance is going right now? >> look, in new york we have one-party rule. democrats have created an absolute mess. we have an affordability crisis. a crisis at our southern border, a migrant crisis adams says is destroying new york city, kathy hochul said there's no more room at the inn. we need to stop the influx at the border. the american people elected a republican majority because of the ideas, because of the policies, because the defensemen policies failed miserably. so what we need to do is show we are worthy of that trust and support, show that we can actually govern. >> have you? >> up until this week, yes. the american people expect us to

quickly choose a speaker and get back to work. they're not interested in the petty partisan divide. they're not interested in the internal grievances. they're interested in us advancing the ball forward. we have a lot of work to do between now and november 17th to reduce spending in this country. joe biden increased spending by $5 trillion in two years. it is unsustainable. $9 billion budget deficit next year. $13 billion the year after. this is unsustainable across the country. if we don't get serious about reining in spending, deal with the migrant crisis and stop the sanctuary city policies, the right to shelter that somehow is being interpreted to mean if you're a migrant you get free housing, free health care, free education all at taxpayer expense. this is absurdity and needs to

stop and we need to get serious. >> it's worth noting, we weren't able to coalesce behind a border bill because of where your conference is, one of the many challenges. congressman mike lawler, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we are also going to speak to one of the eight republicans who voted to oust speaker mccarthy. plus this. >> are you coming back tomorrow? >> a big day. >> the former president will be back in court for day three. why the judge rebuked him and handed down a gag order. stay with us.

welcome back. it is a beautiful sunny morning in the nation's capital. coming to you live from washington where there is no speaker of the house for the first time in history and the republican party has no clear leader here. "the house gop resembles a failed state. the party elects people with no

capacity to lead members who have no interest in being led." no need to commit it to memory, that's what google is for. >> it's harsh but fairly true. "the wall street journal" editorial board writes, a band ousted house speaker mccarthy. they now have the chaos they wanted. it isn't clear what else they hope to achieve. their clever plan seems to be to cut off their own heads. >> with reaction and thoughts, cnn congressional correspondent, thank you for being here. it went the whole way this time. but boehner faced a similar moment. it wasn't brought to the floor. he faced the rebellion and then leaves. your thoughts as we watch this going full force and where it leaves us. you worked for him, right? you are a conservative who believes in the cause and now there is no speaker of the

house. >> it's a really different situation when john boehner was retiring. he wanted to retire before it all happened in 2015 when eric cantor lost. ba he intended to retire by the end of the year. democrats were not driving when the vote was called, because they were up for mario cuomo's funeral. it's hard for me to sit here and not think about the times i spent walking up to this building with awe and reverence. in terms of our government and our politics. i thought january 6th was rock bottom. this may be rock bottom. we had a congressman who is accused of sleeping with a minor, who is under an ethics investigation, just made history by ousting the speaker of his own party with the help of

democrats and he ran to the cameras to fundraise off of it. has no plan. i think we needed to look at that situation and be like, where are we now? we have a president trump who is four times indicted, 91 federal counts against him and is running for re-election another time against a president who is, quite frankly, struggling to get one foot in front of the other. how is this where we are in congress? i can't help but to think back with my time with boehner he and hope we had adults in the room. this feels like rock bottom. >> the adults aren't here anymore, to use your framing of things, because what have came to fruition yesterday. the cover of the books. paul ryan decided to leave because he's over it. and kevin mccarthy has been deposed as well. the entire generation of new republicanism that was supposed to take over the mantle is gone, and what they've been replaced

with, this is a different level. >> it is a different level. part of why they're gone, paul ryan also wasn't really able to manage this growing extreme faction within the house gop and boehner wasn't either. that's why paul ryan is gone. he talks about he doesn't always agree with the direction his party is headed in, doesn't support the standard-bearer donald trump. would prefer someone else to be at the top of the presidential ticket. when push comes to shove, kevin mccarthy decided to time and time again make decisions that emboldened that hard-right faction and decided to make it so they could only have one person bring the motion to vacate. and even yesterday during his meeting with the caucus -- or the conference when he decided to say i'm not going to run for speaker again, the fact that he

said, i'm not going to sell my soul to the democrats shows he was willing to do what the extreme republicans wanted verps us negotiate a little bit with democrats. >> one thing that strikes me is that the eight people who voted to oust kevin mccarthy were the same people who on friday when the speaker was offering them, not every single member but it's generally the same group of people when the speaker was offering a short-term spending bill with 30% cuts over domestic spending areas -- >> and border security. >> -- didn't take it. >> and now ukraine. >> i could not have thought of a more conservative short-term spending bill. they said no to it. what other choice does the speaker have? his allies have been arguing he wanted to keep the government open. he was going to just have to have a short-term spending bill that the chamber across the way, the united states senate, was

going to pick up and take. >> we talked about this before but for people just joining us, what do they need to know this morning about this? for the first time in american history no speaker of the house. they're gone for a week now and they're going to come back and maybe figure it out. what does that mean if there is a crisis in this country, if there's a disaster in terms of how paralyze this had is? >> there's a couple things we know and a lot of things we don't. one of the things we know is patrick mchenry, the interim speaker at the moment, he has very limited power. he can run a speaker's race. that is what can he do on the floor of the house. they can't pass legislation. they can't avoid a government shutdown. there are some open questions about how committees function, if they can function. technically the answer is, no, they cannot. then you had people saying yesterday they want to investigate for the impeachment inquiry. there's a lot of unanswered questions. it's a strange spot to be in and

not know the answer to every single question. >> don't mean to put you on the spot. >> there's a lot of parliamentary experts who will be looking through their notes to understand whether or not they can do x, y, or z because we are in an unpress denied moment, in a historic place right now. i think it bears reminding the american people that there are a lot of smart people here. >> mchenry is technically not in the line of succession because he's pro tem. he cannot even adjourn the house without senate consent. it's a very weird period. what do they want? laura makes the most critical point here. they offered a top line that was a dramatic 30% cut to a cr and a dramatically conservative border security bill and no ukraine aid, and they voted -- they wouldn't do it.

what do these eight lawmakers want? what are their principles? what are their driving forces? >> they want to have something to fight against. that's what the maga republicans have done. we were the republican senate committee when john boehner was in the speakership. he gives them what they want, they move the goal post because it doesn't serve their purpose. if they were put in charge, given real leadership positions, they would not know the first thing to do with themselves. it's easier to fight the fight and fight the man and fundraise off of that, what you're seeing. matt gaetz has been fund-raising with his media blitz. >> nancy mace had very specific reasons why she voted the way she did. kevin mccarthy did not follow through on her rape kit bill, things he had promised. i just wanted to point out why she said -- >> people are frustrated they're

not getting anything done because everyone is coming in thinking if i don't get my way 100 perps of the time, i'm not going for it. they have to work across the aisle with their fellow members. to continue to vote for people and put people in power that are solely there for themselves and looking out for number one and that's it, shame on us. we need to vote in our primaries, get involved. this is what we are left with. an empty speaker's office. >> my son comes home from kindergarten and talks about having to work out fights, the teacher tells them to figure it out together, compromise. we have to go, guys. thank you very much. tim burchett voting to oust kevin mccarthy saying mccarthy, quote, belittled his faith in a phone conversation. mccarthy addressed that last night. >> i personally like tim burchett and called him because i read his quote. he's a friend of mine.

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welcome back. we are live outside of the capitol on a beautiful morning here in washington, but the house is paralyzed, plunged into chaos. congressman kevin mccarthy now ousted as house speaker, a first in american history. eight of his fellow republicans, including congressman tim burchett, decided it was time for him to go. burchett said he decided to vote against him after he mocked his decision to pray. >> he basically said something that i thought belittled me and my belief system and that pretty much sealed it with me right there. i thought that showed the character of the man. i said to him during the conversation, i wish you hadn't waited until right now to call me. >> mccarthy addressed burchett's claims during a news conference last night. here is that. >> i personally like tim burchett, and i called tim burchett because i read his quote. he's a friend of mine, which i'm shocked by this.

and tim burchett, in his quote said, he's on cnn but i will pray about it. i called him and said, tim, i read your quote. you said you were going to pray about it. i wanted to talk to you about it. i simply read his quote back. i thought there was still an opening and i wanted to talk to him about it. he never mentioned anything when we were communicating like that. >> congressman tim burchett joins us. you've heard mccarthy saying his version of what happened on the call. as you hear that, would that have changed your vote, sir? >> probably not. heck, i have a recording of what was said -- >> you recorded it? >> but it was between us, and -- but the conversation went on in a belittling tone. everything i suggested, well, you told us you were going to

bring term limits up. well, that wasn't in committee. and i said, we were out six weeks. we were out september 30th comes around every time, i'm parent a phrasing everything, and it was always scalise or that was somebody else or whatever. we need leadership. i don't need excuses. we are $33 trillion in debt. we spend $7 trillion, we continue with the continued resolutions, and every -- and then we pass one for 30 days and they told me the last time, we won't pass another one. that's like telling a heroin addict we will give it to you to get you off heroin. we're $33 trillion in debt, and these excuses just -- we need a strong leader and i felt we weren't getting that. that was just, i guess, pushed me over the edge what i felt was

condescending of what i was saying. i pray about it. i do. i pray about everything. god has done me -- he's been pretty good to me. has given me a wonderful wife and a daughter and i'm incredibly blessed. there are not a lot of tim burchetts in congress. i don't come from money. i'm not a sports star, a navy s.e.a.l., i'm just a guy who just got lucky, i guess, in life. i do pray about things. i didn't take that decision lightly. i prayed about it since it started coming up, and just asked god to show me what to do. i had two decisions to make. i had to go, am i going to go with my friend kevin mccarthy, be who i felt like hasn't followed through with a lot of things he said he was going to do, or am i going to trust my conscience? ultimately my conscience won out. >> in terms of the path forward, do you always record phone calls with the speaker of the house? >> no, no, i don't. >> why did you choose this one?

>> it was one of those random things because i was in a meeting with other people and i just said let's record it. and so i've got it just in case i needed it. because a lot of times when you're talking to somebody, you have trouble remembering exactly what you said, especially when you're under a lot of pressure, and it's legal. and so it was just one of those things i did, and i'm glad i did. i'm not going to do anything with it. >> do you plan on sharing it? >> no, i wasn't do that. it was for my personal use. if i said something out of line, i want to know. >> in terms of the path forward, talking about the two options you were praying over trying to figure out which way to go, the option you chose doesn't have an end game ortho an outcome. who should that be? >> i think we'll see that. the good thing about it we have a very deep bench. we have roger williams out of

texas. jodi arrington out of texas. my buddy steve scalise, mark green out of tennessee. our bench is so deep. i feel we have a lot of leaders willing to step up and now they are. i know folks are getting on the news, i just left the gym and talked to several people alone who did not vote with us but have conceded that they probably should have and are glad that they did. glad of what we did. they think we need to make a change. >> i want to give you a chance to respond. we had your colleague, mike lawler on from new york. here is what he said about the eight who voted to oust mccarthy, including you. >> they need to lose their committee assignments and there needs to be consideration as to whether or not they're even part of the conference.

you had a handful of people for petty personal reasons who decided that their interests mattered more than the country. and i think it's disgusting, and i think the rules need to be relooked at. >> he also said that you need to be held accountable. what do you say? >> i represent my district, and i'm voting the way my district would like me to do. >> you're also part of the body. >> i'm part of the body, but when it's all over with, lyndon johnson said you want a friend in washington, get a dog. i have three of them all at home, charlie, buzz and roscoe. they're not up here. and he's from new york and has a different set of values. he's my friend and has his right to his opinion, but the truth is they did the same thing to marjorie taylor greene. it sure didn't hurt her much. there's a lot of angry people, but i would submit to you when we get new leadership in, we'll

be just fine. >> go ahead. when will that be, sir? >> tuesday we'll have -- not orientation -- they'll have speeches like student council, go give their speeches. it's like on the floor. by the time something gets to the floor, you know it's decided. >> you said you've spoken to steve scalise. is he somebody you would prefer? >> i love steve scalise. he's a great leader, a proven leader. i believe folks would rally around him, but, as i told him, at this time i'm not going to commit to you. i want to hear what other people have to say. there might be some dark horse that gets in it that shows that maybe that's the direction we need to know. steve would be an excellent choice. we have no shortage. a lot of these folks weren't -- they couldn't act because of their positions, and now they are. and i think it's going to prove

good for the country actually, because, as my friend, he said he got on to me. but we're $33 trillion in debt. we take in $5 trillion every year and we spend $7 trillion, and that's conservative estimates. to me, that's not leadership. we have to make some tough decisions. and when my friend aoc, and she is my friend, when she says we have a fiscal issue, i think this time we can get together and work on something. and the 15 or so of us that were opposed to all of this in the beginning, i asked for membership -- leadership to meet with us. nothing happened. this is the way washington works. they cram something down your throat. they cram these continued resolutions because there are special interests and the lobbyists. nothing changes and we get further and further in debt. i'm just calling it out. >> tim burchett, we appreciate your time, a busy time at that. thank you very much. former president trump says he will be back in court after a

judge issued a gag order because of some of trump's social media posts. more than 75,000 health care workers from kaiser permanente are going on strike. what they're fighting for and how all of this could impact you next.

all right. so these are live pictures of health care workers on the picket line in virginia. kaiser permanente employees are beginning what is said be to be the largest health care strike in u.s. history. more than 75,000 workers joining the three-day. hundreds of other positions whose top concern saw a staffing crisis affecting the quality of patient care as well as pay increases. the health care system provides care for nearly 13 million people across those eight states you see on your screen but their patients are not simply bein abandoned. about 60% of staffers are still working. we'll keep you posted on this significant strike. also this morning, just a few hours, day three, of former president trump's civil fraud trial in new york city is set to

resume, and trump says he'll be back in corporate today after the judge imposed a gag order on him for attacking his clerk in a social media post tuesday. trump says he's planning to testify but his longtime accountant will return to the stand. brynn gingras is live outside the courthouse. it looks like the court, it takes a court-mandated order to keep trump quiet. do we feel this will be sustainable over time? >> reporter: phil, has it ever? i don't really know. i mean, honestly, it's not all that surprising. has it ever kept him quiet? that's a great question. i don't know. i can tell you this. so yesterday when we returned from lunch and the courtroom reporters went inside, there was a big delay, and everybody was wondering what was going on. and then the judge went to the bench and essentially issued this rebuke staring straight at the defendant's table where the former president was sitting and basically was talking about this truth social post donald trump posted yesterday. and it was of the court clerk

who sits right next to the judge, and it was a picture of her with senate majority leader chuck schumer. in the post the former president essentially said that she was schumer's girlfriend, without any evidence to back that up. and it's very unclear what the relationship of those two even is past that picture. so this was a bridge too far for the judge. keep in mind, the context here this is a judge who not only is deciding the outcome of this case but someone who trump has attacked personally to him. so, again, this was just too much. and he basically said this was disparaging, it was untrue, personally identified his clerk, which he didn't like. he asked the post be deleted. it was. but it was also emailed to millions of people. and so that's why he issued this gag order and he said, quote, personal attacks of any member of any court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate, and i will not tolerate them. and he basically said, no longer. you cannot post anything, email anything about my court staff or

there are going to be strict sanctions. what that means is still unclear. we know the lawyers all met behind closed doors without press inside the courtroom. it's still to be determined what exactly he meant by that. certainly not mincing words on the bench there. >> absolutely. brynn, day three. appreciate it. thank you. so the bipartisan short-term spending bill mccarthy got passed over the weekend did not include aid for ukraine. it led to his ouster. but with the speakership vacant, what does this all mean for the funding that is needed for ukraine? we'll be joined by the former defense secretary under president trump, mark esper is here.

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and intelligence of global secure networking from comcast business. it's not just possible. it's happening. kevin mccarthy complicates the outlook for congress providing more aid to ukraine. the house is adjourned until next week. in legislation can be passed until a new speaker is elected. this leaves president biden's ask in limbo. it's nearly $2.5 billion a month. u.s. aid, that money is rapidly running out with $5 billion remaining in the presidential drawdown authority that allows the rapid dispatch of weapons from existing stocks.

it's essentially two months worth of money. joining us to talk about that is mark esper, served as the defense secretary under president trump. thank you very much for being here. >> good morning. >> there is not even a guarantee, by the way, that they come back in a little under a week and elect a speaker mid next week/end of next week, right? so the question to you is, what do you believe this will mean for the already difficult task of trying to get the pass to pass more ukraine aid? >> right. before we look forward, look backward a few days. things look better if you are vladimir putin sitting in moscow. he sees the u.s. government that's dysfunctional right now, can't provide the aid that ukraine needs. if u.s. aid to ukraine falls, we are like the big jiang ga block at the bottom of the tower. you pull that out and western aid is risked lost as well. then you have a pro-russian government in serbia. you have a grain dispute between

poland and ukraine. it seems like the west is fracturing. that's concern number one. if we look a few weeks ahead, will the congress support the president's request for 24 billion. yes, based on the numbers you said, u.s. support is actually a little bit less than 2 billion a month. we could hold out for a few months. but who is next to be speaker will make a big difference in what happens with regard to ukraine funding going forward. >> where do you think the gap has been in terms of there is a majority in both the house and the senate that support more funding for ukraine. that is unquestionably the case. i think that's your point about who the next speaker is so critical. there has been a shift amongst the american public. why? is it exhaustion? people don't have the band width to continue it? why has this happened? >> i think over the last couple

of months, few months, if you look at successive votes on ukraine aid you will see an increasing number of republicans in the house are opposing it. that's not a good trend line. why? i think is driven by president trump and this isolation, this strain in the far-right wing of the party that says too much money going abroad, we should focus on things at home, focus on the border. and we should be focusing on the border. i think the time has come even democrats agree we need border security. they are not mutually exclusive. i think there is that isolationist strain in the republican party, the far right, on the rise driven by the presidential nomination process as well. that's pulling people that way. and, of course, if trump goes that way, he pulls a lot of other members with him, he pulls his die hard supporters with him as well. that's pulling us in that direction. >> i do want to ask you about

this fascinating, terrifying piece in many respects in "the new york times" this morning that you are all over because you talked in your book about this and the headline is, trump wanted to fire missiles at mexico. now the gop wants to send troops. in your book you recount a conversation you had with former president trump where you say that he asked you about firing patriot missiles into mexico to take on the cartels and then trying to blame another country. needless to say, you pushed back vehemently against that. as you tread this piece in the times, if mr. trump returns to the white house in 2025 he is vowed to deploy special ops, troops and naval forces, declare war on the cartels. we have heard what desantis said in that cbs interview about what he would do as president. what is your view on all of this from increasingly loud voices in your party? >> what was animating trump at the time and many now is the fact that fentanyl continues across the border from the south.

it's killing 100,000 americans a year. it's terrible. president trump is concerned about that. a lot of people are. i did not think the right solution was attacking or attacking cartels in a neighboring country whose support we need not to deal just with the drugs, but illegal immigration and a number of other things. so i understand the sentiment, but i don't think that's the right approach. i think my view, we have a good model. i explained this at times to folks in the party. that was playing colombia where the od played a supporting role, providing helicopters, aviation, special forces doing training and working with the colombian government. we made a big dent into not just a guerilla movement but the drug trade. i have seen varying expressions of this need, want to use the military. some have spoken about what i'm

describing. but we need to look at the big picture. we need mexico's cooperation. we need to work with them. not around them. >> all right. mark esper, appreciate your time, sir. thank you. >> thank you. >> even though a fellow republican indonesia quited the move, kevin mccarthy is blaming democrats for losing his leadership post. >> today was a political decision by the democrats. i think the things they have done in the past hurt the institution. >> the number two dashcam inthe house katherine clark we will ask her where the house goes from here. stay with us.