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♪ a horrific attack on civilians. ukraine says more than 50 people were killed by a russian air strike that hit a store and nearby cafe. a report from the deadly scene up next. meantime, u.s. aid to ukraine is drying up that is being felt on the battlefield. with a speaker of the house in disarray, the race to replace kevin mccarthy. plus, building the wall, the
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white house awaitving dozens of laws. we'll explain what's behind president biden who once promised to not build another foot. all of those stories and more all coming in right here to "cnn news central". ♪ we begin with a desperate call for more aid in ukraine, as dozens of people are killed in what officials are calling one of the deadliest attacks against civilians since the conflict began. president zelenskyy is warning european leaders at a summit in spain that russia's aggression will continue, especially if the aid dries up. the ukrainian leader pointed to united states growing political storm as a critical moment in the war. ukraine officials are desperately digging through rubble searching for more victims after a russian strike targeted a cafe and shop in the kharkiv region killing at least
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51 people. officials say there were no military targets in the area. cnn's international correspondent fred pleitgen has more details from the scene. fred. >> reporter: an absolutely dec devastating attack in eastern ukraine. 25 miles away from the front lines, nevertheless, as you can see, this building here absolutely annihilated. the ukrainians are saying this was a supermarket and a cafe. they say there was an event going on at the cafe, but there were a lot of people in the cafe for some sort of funeral event, for someone who is local to here. they also say more than 50 people were killed in this attack. the bodies were absolutely mangled. i want to show you over here, you can see a lot the forensic work is actually still going on. we're obviously not going to go close to there, because some of the bodies are really not in very good condition. the ukrainians are telling us,
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because of the thrust of the explosion, because the explosion was so strong, they actually haven't been able to identify all of the bodies yet. simply because they're in such bad condition. ukrainian authorities say that the missile that was used to destroy this building was a medium-range missile with a massive warhead that can do a lot of damage. obviously, when it's dropped on a fairly small building like this one, the result, well, you can see it right here. >> fred pleitgen thank you so much. so incredibly disturbing to see that. i want to bring in chief international correspondent clarissa ward. president zelenskyy is relying on other leaders to step up as the u.s. is threatened by the political people in congress we're seeing this play out. how are european leaders responding to this? >> well, i think there's definitely a very real sense of anxiety, pamela. we saw president zelenskyy in
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granada, in spain, today, meeting with european leaders. he was trying to put a brave face on it, essentially saying, you know, a lot of work needs to be done. but believing that the support will continue, that bipartisan support will continue. but privately, i think you hear more and more european leaders starting to give voice to the possibility that their populations may be becoming increasingly disenchanted with the very large check that many of these countries are having to write. we heard from the italian prime minister giorgia meloni who said we're in lockstep steadfast with ukraine, but we have to be reminded of support and issues that have risen on the back of ukraine, such as migration and s energy crisis is having an effect on all people. i think it's fair to say, with the anxiety, everybody would like to see president biden with this speech that's anticipated every day now, make a strong case to the american people as
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to why they should continue to support the war in ukraine. >> and president zelenskyy for his part is saying, look, a tough time for the united states is a tough time for ukraine. what will happen if ukraine doesn't get the continued aid? do you think we'll see more stepped-up russian aggression as zelenskyy has been warning about? >> well, i think the argument that you'll hear always from ukrainian leaders is what happens in ukraine doesn't stay in ukraine. and, frankly, this isn't about ukraine. this is about democracies versus autocracies. this is about international law. this is about the liberal order, as it were. i think he will continue to make that argument strongly. the reality on the ground is ukrainians will be facing the fight of their lives. they already are. but without that continued aid and particularly without munitions. the counteroffensive which has been going on for months now, largely stalled, incremental gains, very, very fierce fighting, pamela.
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they're burning through an extraordinary amount of ammunition. one weapons expert said that europe even if they continue to step up could maybe supply 5 to 10% of munitions needed. ukrainian forces desperately need u.s. support. not just in terms of weaponry, not just in terms of finance, but morale, sending a strong message to the rest of the world, but particularly to russian president vladimir putin who i think it's important to remember for quite some time now realized that his greatest strength is the ability to play the long game here. the fact that he did not have to answer to his constituents. that they can continue to suffer and survive and keep this war grinding on for as long as they possibly can in an effort to try to create fissures or cracks in the war. >> we should note, clarissa, that you have been on the ground, seen the carnage up close and personal, and the
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suffering of these people there in ukraine. i'm wondering in light of the attack in this grocery store in ukraine that fred was just reporting on, 20 civilians killed, what your reaction is to that. and what you think the larger message is from vladimir putin, as, you know, it appears that support for more ukraine aid is waning on the global stage. >> i think this tact is just, you know, a brutal and horrifying reminder of what's at stake here. we are talking about a war where scores of civilians are being killed on a daily, if not weekly basis. this attack that you just saw fred reporting from on the ground is the deadliest that we have seen since, i believe, april of last year. but it's by no means a solitary incident. these sorts of things are happening far too often. and the reality is, as i've seen many times, reporting on wars across the world for nearly two decades that if the world
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doesn't take a stand, these things continue. and you will continue to see more death. and you will continue to see more bloodshed. and you will continue to see these types of horrifying attacks on civilians go unabated. >> clarissa ward, thank you so much. >> boris. back in washington, the fate of u.s. aid to ukraine hangs in the balance as house republicans scramble for a new speak. congressman jim jordan who announced his candidacy for the speakership said he wants answers before he signs off on any more funding for ukraine. watch this. >> i think it's clear, two fundamental questions to be answered. what's the goal? is the goal peace? to get them out of ukraine? or crime me, which the obama had for nine years what is the goal. second question, if you can tell us what the goal is, how is the money being spent? how can we account for that?
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>> let's take you live to capitol hill with cnn's manu raju. manu, the race for the speakership is heating up. >> reporter: no question about it. and it's really moving behind the scenes at this moment. congressman jim jordan, meeting with some key members, as well as steve scalise on the phone talking to a whole range of members. the goal at the moment is to secure commitments, get people thind their candidacies, assurances, though, may not mean much because it's ultimately a secret ballot election next week that will nominate the candidate and then the full house will vote afterwards. jordan also having talks with former president donald trump, he talked about his bid. and there's some talk that trump himself may try to come to capitol hill on tuesday when house republicans meet behind closed doors. we don't know if that will happen yet. this all comes as there are major concerns about the past
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events this week. mainly about the agenda here on capitol hill and how it appears for republicans, talking to republican senators and house members, that's the rule of fear that it undercuts what they're trying to do and hurt them in next november's election in keeping the house and taking back the senate. >> it's not an attractive picture. so, we've got to do better. >> i think it makes the house republican rebels look foolish. they look unserious. i think they look like they're more interested in fighting than governing. >> we in congress have some work to do to restore the trust and this institution called congress. >> folks that ran as republicans have to decide whether or not they want to act as the majority, or if they're going to ask like a republican party and a populist party. now the question is will the populists come back into the republican fold? >> reporter: and there's a lot of questions here about not just the agenda, avoiding major
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things like a government shutdown by mid-november. but also for these candidates themselves, how do they placate the raw emotions in the republican party? people are very angry about the way mccarthy was pushed out. there are a lot of members concerned about that. and what promises are they making to ensure that the house can once again function. all of these raise questions to whether each candidate, steve scalise or jim jordan can get the 208 votes they need on the house floor to become speaker. that is uncertain at this moment as they try to appease some members who want answers as to how the house can get back into business. but there's no clear answer how that will happen just yet. boris. >> yeah, a tough path mentally to get elected speaker, but once you are, the docket, the list of issues that you have to deal with are quite extensive. manu raju from capitol hill, thank you. in a cnn exclusive with cnn's christiane amanpour former
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u.s. secretary of state hillary clinton is warning whoever the next house speaker is they'll need to figure out a way to control that small band of rebels that ousted kevin mccarthy. here's a small portion of that conversation. >> should the democrats stayed safe, so to speak, voted to keep him in? >> that was a tough call for the democratic caucus, but the problem for them, as i understand it, he was totally untrustworthy by any measure. he, immediately, after they did help him, keep the government open, as you know, began to blame them for all kinds of, you know, extraneous matters. and at some point, a leader who has lost all credibility in dealing with the opposition, where you want to have an open line of communication, you want to be able to trust his word, is going to, you know, ask for their help and not get it. >> it said that the main
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contenders for his position are jim jordan who you know very well from benghazi. >> i don't know him well. i watched him and stared at him for 11 hours while he made stuff up about me. i don't know, i've seen him in action. >> what will it mean if he gets the leadership? >> well, he's one the principal ringleaders of the circus created in the republican party for the last several years. i have no inside knowledge about what the republicans will do, who they will end up voting for. but when do they put the country first? they do not represent a majority of even the republican party. when you look at the extremists in the house. they certainly don't represent a majority of the country. and, you know, somebody has to stand up and say enough. you know, we can have disagreements. i'm all for that, i was in the senate for eight years. i worked with a lot republicans and opposed them when i didn't agree. but at some point there needs to
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be a backlash against the control that this small group of extremists have. and i don't know who will lead that. but let's hope whoever becomes the new speaker will. >> well, let's get perspective now with cnn senior political analyst gloria borger. we just heard from former secretary of state hillary clinton saying that the reason why kevin mccarthy was ousted because he was seen as untrustworthy. how do you perceive those remarks? >> well, i think he was seen as untrustworthy by democrats, obviously. look, he's the one who opened the impeachment inquiry against joe biden. they believe he didn't abide by the spending levels that he had agreed to with joe biden earlier in the summer. and they felt that time and time again they couldn't trust him. and i think, you know in a way that's what the gang of eight felt also. and i think as she said, it was
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a difficult decision for democrats. but in the end, also, they didn't feel this was their fight. they felt that this was an internal republican civil war. and that they ought not to step into it. and so them decided unanimously to say no. we're not getting involved in this. >> she also shared her perspective of jim jordan who she note shed saw him in action during the benghazi hearing. >> she sure did. >> she described him as the ringleader of the circus. he has been one of donald trump's close allies in the house. what do you think the house will look like if he's speaker? >> well, he's very conservative. he's very close to donald trump. he's made a point to say he's spoken with donald trump about this. he was the original founder of the freedom caucus. so will the house be more conservative? you can argue that mccarthy became a captive of the
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conservatives. so it was very conservative because of mccarthy anyway. so, the question is, how would jordan govern? would he be willing to reach across the aisle? most people believe not. he's against ukraine aid. but i keep thinking, in talking to some democrats, about whether there is any way that some deal could be struck to show that this house can govern on ukraine aid and the border. maybe there's a way -- >> with those two. >> maybe there's a way to pair those two and get something done on that. because i think it's incumbent on republicans now who lead the house to show that they can actually govern. and i think you're hearing that from republicans on the senate side also who are saying, hey, guys, put up, you know. and they haven't done that so far. >> and not a pretty picture as john cornyn described it. >> right. not at all. not at all. >> what happens with the
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lingering animosity and the republicans, eight or show who voted against kevin mccarthy. matt gaetz, there's talks that he could potentially be expelled? >> oh, my gosh, he's not going to win a popularity contest. in reality, what does that mean? you don't get to go to conference meetings? i mean, that's not really a punishment. you know. they're going to excommunicate him from going to home room? i think that's not really a punishment. and i think there's a lot of anger and there are ways that can say, well, you know, we're not considering any of the bills you bring up. you know, there are ways to punish him. but in the end, as angry as republicans are, i think they know that's not what they have to focus on right now. they have to focus on showing they can be a government majority. no matter how slim that majority is, they have to get to work. >> and keeping the government open in some 40 days or so. >> yeah, issue number one. >> glorgia borger, thank you.
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still to come on "cnn news central" a surprise move from the biden administration, waiwaive ing dozens of. federal laws to start a border wall. the president said he could not stop. we'll take you live to fact-check that. gas prices could fall and fall fast. we'll tell you when and where they may go, straight ahead.
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today, immigration tops the agenda for the white house as senior cabinet members meet with the mexican president in mexico city. president biden has cleared the way for 20 miles of new border barriers to be built in texas. an about-face from biden's 2020 campaign promise that he would not oversee any new border wall construction. and a short time ago, he even told reporters walls don't work. why did he take this step? he said his hands are tied. cnn's mj lee is at the white house, mj, break this down for us. >> reporter: yeah, pam, let me first explain what it is exactly we're talking about here. we're talking about the administration waiving 26 federal laws in order for there to be wall construction at the southern border. dhs has basically said that they believe it is snes for these
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laws to be waived in order for there to be expeditious construction of pleasthese barr and they're emphasizing that these funds were from the trump administration, something that biden just tried to explain a moment ago. >> i'll answer one question on the border wall. the border wall money was appropriated for the border wall. i tried to get them to redirect that money. they didn't. they wouldn't. in the meantime, there's nothing in the law that they have to use for what is appropriated. i can't stop it. >> do you think a border wall works? >> no. >> reporter: and, pam, the reason that this is so politically complicated for this president is that, as a presidential candidate, back in 2020, the president said that not another foot of wall would be constructed under his watch. obviously, that is precisely what is about to happen. the other issue, i would point
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out, you heard the president saying that he does not believe a border wall is effective. well, that appears to put him at odds, directly at odds, with his dhs secretary who wrote there isn't an acute or immediate need to construct physical barriers to keep the border crossings at bay. you know, we've been keeping an eye on the white house press briefing that's going on. and the press secretary has been getting a whole lot of questions on both of those questions, the breaking of a campaign promise. and the fact that the president seems to be not on the same page as his dhs secretary. and they didn't have a lot of satisfying answers on both fronts, pam. >> mj lee, thank you for us. let's get perspective from capitol hill hill. congresswoman, thank you for sharing the afternoon with us. >> thank you, boris. >> i want to get your reaction to president biden taking steps
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to fortify money. to expand that border in south texas. it's a new approach for the white house. so, is this a step that you applaud? >> it's highly hypocritical, that's what it is. that's why the american public is so upset with elected officials in both parties. because sometimes, elected officials say one thing, and they do another. and this is the perfect example, as you just reported very accurately, that three years ago, president biden said that it was inhumane, and he was not going to continue building the wall. and we need technology which i'll explain to you, and is this a political move and people see through it. >> and whether biden is going back on a promise or not, effectively, is this a step that you support? >> reporter: well, i'm glad that you're asking me, i'm the only member of congress that has
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written a bipartisan law, in order to solve the problem at the border. and it includes, and for those who are watching me, i just want to point out, that i have done a major study. and the wall -- i mean, the border, in order to be secured needs more than physical structures. it needs drones. it needs more border patrol. it needs infrared cameras. drones, towers. it needs a lot of technology. and obviously, it needs physical barriers. but everything that we're talking about right now, it's all political. three years ago, president biden should have sat down and said, okay, so what is needed? what is needed right now in order to secure the border and not to have the crisis that we have right now. but they didn't do it. so, now, everything is just escaping their hands. now, they're going back to this. >> it sounds as if you do support the move. we should note that some of the money is going to things that you mentioned additional security around the border.
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and it does appear that the white house is open to addressing that security aspect of the crisis. the biggest motivator for republicans. have you gotten any fedback from members of your conference about the other side of the immigration debate, and that is, expanding access to asylum claims? >> well, the asylum claim is another problem that we have. the asylum system is broken because people are gaming the system. that's why, in my law, the dignity act, i am creatinge humanitarian center which is our people will be welcome if they're claiming asylum in order for us to determine if they have any merit. it's a yes, it's a no, it's a maybe in 60 days. immigration is broken from the legal to the illegal system, including the border, including the southern border. it's time for washington to do something. it's not the white house. it's not dhs. it's congress, the one who has to legislate and create a piece
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of paper, legislation, that will solve from "a" to "z." because these are just little patches. don't you see it? now after three years they're desperate. what are we going to do, oh, my god, let's go back to what the former president created. you see it's all politics. that's why in congress, we need to be serious and create legislation that will solve the problem once and for all. >> you did introduce that bipartisan dignity act. it is not gotten a whole lot of traction. i think part of it has to do with specifically members of your party being opposed to reworking the asylum system to make it more accessible. is that something that you've brought up in conversations over who should become the next speaker? >> it's both parties that need to educate themselves and understand what is it that we need. it's the democrats that need to understand that, first, for the first time, they have agreed that the border needs to be secured. and it's for the republicans to
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understand that we have to secure the border. we passed h.r. 2 which is very strong border security measures, but at the same time, we need to then understand what are we going to do with those people who have been here illegally for years. and do not have a criminal record. and we need to continue -- we need to avoid what's happening -- what happened in the last three years, where we have 6 million illegals coming into the country. and that's why the mayors of major cities are having a screen. >> immigration is something that you're extremely passionate about. is it something that you have discussed with jim jordan or steve scalise, as they try to seek support in order to become next house speaker? >> that's a very good question. i haven't had the time to do that. but i assure you that is going to be what i'm going to be talking to them about. because like i said, we come to congress to pass laws that are bipartisan.
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that's only way that we'll make it through the senate and to the president's signatures. so that's why we need to do, let's be responsible and pass laws that will make it to be applied. that's not what i'm trying to do. i'm not trying to posture or message. i'm trying to solve the problem. we have three problems in this country, the border, ukraine, and spending. those three problems, congress can fix. >> so, right now, the house is effectively frozen in its effort to address those things, because there is no speaker. one of the things that you mentioned has been tied, potentially, in some sort of deal with border spending and that is aid for ukraine. would you support, say, if steve scalise, or jim jordan, if they came to you and said if i have your vote, the first thing i'll do is put forward a deal that not only enhances border security but supports aid for ukraine. is that something you'd support? >> of course, we cannot abandon ukraine.
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as you know, i represent the city of miami, the heart of the cuban exile community. we know what the russians can do. we know what mr. putin does to people. he did it to the cubans. so, we know that right now, not one american soldier has died in ukraine. number two, only 5% of the military budget is dedicated to ukraine. and, number 3, if we abandon ukraine, we know that the war is going to be a lot bigger, and a lot wider than just the ukrainian territory. it could touch nato. it could touch poland. we know that there is no accountability for mr. putin. so it's time to stop him, without shedding american blood. so, yes, we have to support ukraine. because if we don't, it's going to be a very big problem for all of us in the near future. >> congresswoman maria salazar, thank you for the time. appreciate it. >> to you. >> of course. thanks for staying with "cnn
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prices and higher inflation. but look, as you can see on that chart, things have completely reversed. we've seen u.s. oil prices drop below $83 a barrel. it's been quite the 180. and this does mean good things for gas prices. we've seen gas prices move lower by national average, dropped two pennies, $3.77 a gallon. and an oil analyst tells me this is just getting started. he thinks by halloween, we could see the national average fall as low as $3.25 a gallon. that would be huge. i do want to caution, this is just a forecast. there could always be a disruption or opec move that messes with the forecast like this. still, pamela, it does feel like for the first time in a long time, drivers are getting real relief on the gas pump and more on the way. >> not just gas prices we should note, reporting on online discounts coming in time for the
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holiday season. tell us about that. >> yes, good news for all of the parents out there, it looks like online prices are going to be falling. we're going to see record discounts, according to adobe analytics. they see tv prices down by 22%. that's discounts off of list prices. 24% for sporting goods. 25% for apparel. 30% for electronics. and up to 35% for toys. that will be music to the ears of my toddler. and, you know, these discounts, they're actually coming earlier and earlier. adobe said we could see discounts of up to 18%, beginning as early as next week. and, of course, is coming as amazon holds its second prime day event. i've got to tell you, pamela, these discounts are going to be quite helpful. just last night, my toddler was going through a catalog, circling all of the toys that he wants for christmas. i think we can all agree, let's keep the discounts coming.
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a new study indicates that people who take popular drugs including ozempic and wegovy for weight loss may be at a higher risk for serious digestive problems. cnn medical correspondent meg tirrell joins us now, meg, what more are we learning from this new study? >> yeah, boris, these are things potentially known to be
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associated with these medicines. a group of doctors want to know if this is higher associated with these drugs. these drugs known as glt1, semaglutides used specifically for weight loss and not diabetes. they found indeed there is a higher risk for issues, pancreaticitis, nine times higher risk. inflation of the pancreatic. bowel obstruction, and item pract paralysis. four times higher for those. but still, 1% or less in the records still as millions of people are taking these medicines, doctors say it's important to pay taxi to potential risks particularly for weight loss and not diabetes for risk benefits, decisions might be different. >> you actually recently visited one of eli lilly's manufacturing
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plants. what was that like? >> yeah, there are so many people who wants to be on medicines like this. lilly makes a medicine called mounjaro, a different one than looked at in this study. same amemechanism. they're investing $2 billion in a plant in north carolina. we got an exclusive look at those turning out millions of these auto injects of mounjaro over the year. we talked with them how they can go any faster because there's a shortage of these drugs. here's what they said. >> it's a massive scale what we're trying to do. i don't think we've ever done this as a company or anybody else in the country who has scaled this. >> you can move any faster than you're going? >> we're going as fast as we can, but we have to follow certain controls to make sure the final product meets expectations. >> so, boris, these drugs aren't
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yet approved. but this specific rug not yet approved for obesity. but people can seek it out as they get approve for obesity for the end of the year. >> meg, thank you. other headlines we're watching this hour, america's cancer centers say they're still facing a widespread shortage of the drugs they need to save people's lives. a new survey found shortages of two major hemotherapy drugs. tropical storm philippe is threatening to drench over the weekend. the storm could make landfall in maine on sunday. and expected to make for a dreary east in new england. and the man who set up a smoke bomb and opened fire on a crowded new york city subway train last year is expected to be sentence today. fred james pled guilty for those
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(♪♪) could k-pop be the next victim of ai? it's an industry many were called for but few were chosen because of its gruelling demands. what if you could use ai to create the perfect group of singers and dancers who never aged and didn't need rehearsals. cnn's ivan watson spoke with a company who made that possibility a reality. >> reporter: a k-pop confection.
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♪ this video by girl group eternity racked up 6.5 million views on youtube. not all is as it appears. >> my name is ivan. what is your name? >> my name is jane. >> can you tell me about your band? >> translator: i'm from the world's most popular k-pop girl group. >> reporter: jane and the other ten members of eternity aren't real. techtainment company uses artificial intelligence. i'm speaking to an ai pop star. >> is this the future of entertainment? >> translator: of course we cannot be seen in person, but if you have a device, you can communicate with us anywhere any time. as a virtual group, we're not limited by location. we can broadcast anywhere. the only thing we cannot do is
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sign an autograph. >> reporter: eternity isn't the only ai k-pop creation. maeve is another virtual girl band with videos with tens and millions of views. >> take human performance and turn it into 3d image. >> reporter: metaverse entertainment created maeve. they say the goal isn't to replace human artists like bts or beyonce. instead, they want to create the next generation of siri. but in this case, it would be an avatar that sings and dances that you actually want to talk to. >> they will remember you, they will know about you and they will talk based on that information. >> reporter: ai creations would theoretically develop a unique relationship with every user and
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be available around the clock on every device. >> hi everyone, this is tyra. >> reporter: and not limited by language. >> bonjour. >> reporter: designers are programming these ai pop stars to interact with fans. the technology still has a long way to go, and some programmers c concede there may need to be laws to regulate these creations. >> we have to be careful, actually. if somebody evil can use it -- >> reporter: designers say unlike human celebrities, these ai pop stars won't age and never tire up and can do anything they're programmed to do. >> it's like science fiction, like the robots could be taking over. >> translator: yes, like the robots that conquer the human world, we appear to conquer the pop music world to steal people's hearts.
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