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w in the most important -- they won. >> a notch. notch in the win column. >> the bears, rough a little while. >> rough for a little while. lost a franchise record 14 straight heading into last night's game against the washington commanders. also not exactly a thriving franchise at the moment but the streak is over. receiver d.j. moore leading the way catching eight passes from justin fields with three for touchdowns, moore finished with 330 yards receiving bears win 40-20. justin fields -- >> there we go. before the game, team's honored hall of famer dick butkus passed away earlier in the day considered one of the greatest defensive players in league history. making the pro bowl in eight of nine seasons before a knee injury forced him to retire age 31. >> and enjoys a career sportscaster, actor and the legend was 80 years old. "cnn this morning" continues
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right now. former president donald trump endorsed congressman jim jordan for speaker of the house. >> jim jordan knew more about what donald trump had planned than any other member. >> him becoming speaker would basically be icing on the cake of this is donald trump's party. >> there's just so much uncertainty about who their next speaker is going to be. >> trump shared potentially sensitive information about nuclear submarines with a mar-a-lago club member. >> trump loose with sensitive information and the government's secrets. >> the relative is too intent. >> golden evidence for prosecutors. >> the biden administration will restart deporting venezuelans to curb the influx of migrant crossings. >> there is real urgency around this, but he needs to be seen as doing something. >> time is really the major hurdle here. good friday morning, everyone. erica hill is with me. poppy is off today.
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it is friday but if you're a house republican you have a busy, busy weekend ahead trying to figure out, i don't know. how to get the house back in session and operating. >> kind of important to figure out. >> heard it's important. figures out who the speaker is and new this morning donald trump is taking himself out of the race for house speaker. to be clear, never really in, but giving jim jordan his complete endorsement as they scramble to prevent a government shutdown. the former president floating the idea of being speaker himself temporarily even though he's embroiled in a civil fraud trial and four different felony criminal cases while also running for president. >> looking ahead, the house gop conference is set to meet monday as they race to pick their new leader. they'll hear from countries jim jordan and steve scalise during a forum tuesday. an internal election expected wednesday and could potentially see the house vote on a new speaker that same day, if, and this is the "if" there's a candidate who can unify enough republicans. it is a tall task, a very
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important one. if winning support from both moderates and hard-liners who voted mccarthy out. jordan telling cnn he believes he's the guy who can do it. >> how are you going to get them in line if you were to become the speaker? >> i disagree with what took place, but those guys are friends of mine, and you know, i think that's the message i've been talking to my colleagues about. who can bring the eight into the, you know, part of the team who can unite our team ji? i think i can do that. if i didn't i wouldn't run. >> team coverage following all elements. start with cnn national correspondent kristen holmes. the endorsement last night came very late after floating a lot of different possibilities none tethered to reality in terms of his own role in the speaker's race but the endorsement matters. how did he get here? >> reporter: after an absolutely
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chaotic day of donald trump inserting himself into an already tumultuous situation with the republican caucus on the hill and turning it into a circus. floating the idea to members on the hill he was going to come up and speak to the fractured party. he did an interview in which he said heeding will be to serve as interim speaker and interview even advisers didn't know he was doing it and telling reporters several days donald trump not in nay way was taking this speakership floating situation seriously at all. that he was focused only on running for president. of course, this is true donald trump fashion. then an endorsement for jim jordan just after midnight trump says he is strong on crime, borders, military vets and second amendment. jim his wife polly and family are outstanding. he will be a great speaker of the house and has my complete and total endorsement. now, a couple things. i was told some gop lawmakers were expressing concern of trump outwardly flirting with this
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idea of interim speaker that would ultimately hurt jim jordan longer he did that. that might have led to this endorsement quicker. it's not surprising trump backed jim jordan. jordan is a staunch maga supporter, has been leading these investigation into president biden and somebody who has really stood by the former president through pretty much everything. been one of his biggest defenders. he also has endorsed trump in 2024. something that steve scalise has not done. >> an important note there. so lauren, you asked jordan specifically how he thought he could unite them. he didn't give a real answer on that in terms of specifics, but i wonder if he's able to unite more folks now simply because of this trump endorsement? >> reporter: a couple things to keep in mind when it comes to jim jordan. one is a trump endorsement likely only helps him with conservatives and members of the house freedom caucus that likely he already could have locked up at this point.
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really, jim jordan's difficulty and the path ahead for him is whether or not he can lock down moderate support, get the support and backing of some of those republicans who are returning in biden one districts. whether convince them he's the right man for the job. as was laid out, this is a guy on capitol hill who has led every investigation into joe biden who has also been at the forefront of defending donald trump at moments when other members in the republican party would maybe wish that republicans would take a step back and let donald trump go his own way. so that is one of the key questions. behind the scenes jim jordan's argument to some of those members is, we need to unite in this moment, and i'm the guy who knows the rebels and can convince them to come with us as we move forward. he also argues he has an effective messaging strategy. he is someone on fox news. he is someone who has a clear direction of where he thinks the party should be going. something that i think some
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republicans wonder if kevin mccarthy was an effective at. that is his argument. whether or not he can sell those moderates or mccarthy allies remains another question. >> yeah. the critical question at that. thank you for your reporting. both of you. new reporting about donald trump's alleged mishandling of classified information. abc news reports months after leaving the white house trump allegedly shared sensitive information about u.s. nuclear submarines with an australian billionaire named anthony pratt. the reporting that this happened at mar-a-lago in april of 2021 in which an excited trump leaning towards pratt as if to be discreet told pratt the supposed exact number of nuclear warheads u.s. submarines routinely carry and exactly how close they can supposedly get to a russian submarine without being detected. pratt later described the remarks to 6 journalists 11 employees, 10 australian officials and 3 former australian prime ministers. >> cnn confirmed federal in
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investigators ire ors interview and he's on the list for a witness at trial. these illegal leaks coming from sources which totally lack proper context and relevant information. president trump did nothing wrong insisted on truth and transparency and act in the a proper manner according to the law, this from trump's lawyers. who is the guy he as allegedly spilling information to, the relationship goes back years. trump attended opening's one of pratt's plan in ohio and said this -- >> a lot of people don't tell you about anthony, but i'll tell you about anthony. he is the most successful man in australia. he's a great man and he's my friend and i appreciate it. >> joining us now, cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. thanks for coming in. i want to try to understand the
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level of sensitivity of this information. is this a national security risk? how big of a deal is this? >> well, phil, it's absolutely a national security risk. there is very little information in our federal government that we protect more seriously than nuclear weapons, national defense information. and just as an indicator of that, most people know a sitting president, not, of course a former president, but a sitting president has the ability to declassify most top secret classified data at his discretion. this is one of those rare categories of information, nuclear weapons materiel, that is classified not by presidential order but by statute. so the president himself or herself cannot declassify this discretion. it is at the heart of the most sensitive material we have to protect in our federal government.
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>> i find it interesting, too, especially when you put this information in that context. just how sensitive it is. joe hockey form e ambassador to the u.s., downplaying, quoting a joint program. similarly we share weapons technology. if conversations between trump and pratt has been said nothing said we all did not know. down playing maybe they knew. reality is, a private citizen, likely should not know and certainly should not share. >> well, that's right, erica. the former ambassador certainly correct in terms of his description of how close we are with our australian colleague there's. one of our five eyes partners and one of our closest intelligence partnerships around the globe. however, protecting national security information is not based on making kind of game-time, do-it-yourself decisions talking to your buddy at mar-a-lago.
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you have to, we are obligated to protect that information all the tile. that means complying with the very clear legal regime, the laws that surround how you can discuss information, who you can discuss it to, where this can take place, which, of course, in this case would only be in a sensitive compartmented information facility, a scif. close to australians. maybe this person or others knew of this information, but that does not make it lawful or a good idea to share that information. certainly somewhere like mar-a-lago. >> the first question i had is, given the gravity of this, at least on terms how it appears, why would it not be in the indictment? it's not. >> a good question, phil. so first of all remember there's already 41 counts in that indictment. so there's plenty for the prosecutors to work with. this would be a really interesting charge, because this would be the first charge of dissemination. not just unlawful retention,
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potentially charged with disseminating national defense information to a foreign national, which carries a very serious penalty. however, in this case, what you have is a few people's recollections what the president may or may not have said. he undoubtedly would dispute that. there may be underlying evidentiary issues making this not the strongest issue to bring as an independent charge. however, i'm absolutely confident prosecutors will use this exchange with mr. pratt. enter this as evidence of the president's intent and his habit, his pattern of treating national defense information incredibly recklessly. it will ultimately be very damaging at trial against the president. >> okay. andrew mccabe, appreciate your time as always. thank you. >> thanks. new strikes overnight in ukraine hours after one of the deadliest attacks against civilians since start of this war. the death toll on a residential village rising to 52.
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cnn is live on the ground. plus, new body camera footage released showing arrest of the suspect of rapper "tonight tupac shakur's murder. that's ahead. we're going to show it to you.
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happening overnight russian missiles striking at least three residential buildings in the ukraine second largest city kharkiv. ukrainian officials say russia launch add massive drone attack overnight damaging infrastructure as well as a grain silo on the danube river and the death toll rising where officials say now 52 people were killed yesterday. that's where cnn's fred pleitgen joins us. heartbreaking and horrific. what more are you seeing today? >> reporter: hi, there, erica. the missile that his kharkiv is the came one that hit today. the aftermath what's going on. authorities unfortunately early on realized they weren't finding survivors here in this building. you can see this has gone from being a search and rescue to a recovery to now essentially a
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cleanup operation going on on the ground here. you're right. we got here last night shortly after all of this took place. absolute carnage. what we witnessed. utter destruction and chaos after the massive explosion. as night fell bodies strewn across the area as search and rescue crews scoured the debris. this man weeping in front of a body bag too shake n to talk to us. we learned his name is sergei and the deceased was his wife. this building was completely annihilated hit by a missile. ukrainian saying a scunder missile, completely devastated this building. ukrainians say more than 50 people were killed. it's very difficult to identify some of the bodies because they are in such bad shape and also say what was going on here was
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an event around a funeral and they say the people attending that event were all local folks. there was chaos, the chief investigators tells us. a fire extinguished by firefighters, of course, evacuation measures taken to get people out of the rubble. we can see over there some first responders are busy doing the forensics on the scene here and also still putting bodies in to body bag. a lot of them laying around here and a lot of them being taken away by some of these crews here. one of the other things we can see over there. obviously some sort of recreational area. still seems to be a playground heavily sdach damaged when the e hit. ukraine's president visiting pinned the blame on russia. tragically because of this inhuman terrorist attack 50 civilians were killed during a
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funeral. russia does this every day in the kharkiv region and only air defense can help, but that help will be too late for sergei's wife and the others killed. only things he can do now, help the crews lift her body to be taken away. as you mentioned, erica, the death toll stands at 52. look again at devastation brought on by this explosion. you just heard also from the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy some of the anger and one of the things we can tell you now, erica, we've soon a ukrainian war crimes prosecutor on the ground here already doing their work. erica? >> fred pleitgen, appreciate it. thank you. following one of the deadliest attack on civilian infrastructure since the start of russia's invasion of ukraine the white house says the need for continued military support is clear over a rift in the republican speaker fight. also inheriting the growing
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deficit and the border crisis. joining us, republican from indiana and first ukraine-born member of congress. congresswoman, thank you for the time. start with where fred left off from on the ground in ukraine. you have said you agree with congressman jim jordan's idea more accountability is needed for ukraine aid. would you support somebody in the speaker's race who did not want additional ukraine aid? >> well, listen, i think you know, we have a difference of opinions but i'll be honest with you. i think majority of people understand it's a very serious war and ultimately we as a country, we need to not give up nuclear weapons and it's important that we help ukraine to win that war oualso importan that we have a proper strategy and allow accesses with this tragedy. i hope it's a wake-up call for president biden and some of the senators to understand we have
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to been providing weapons to the military. only way to get now very aggressive dictator to the table. we know, we've been playing politics with him for a while and have a serious crisis of governance in washington and strategy. >> on that point, you know, there are just amendment votes related to military assistance to ukraine want to strip it entirely. put an end to it entirely. how do you thread that needle given a sentiment within your conference to end it entirely? >> this has been politicized. i told a lot of democrats you blame politics really the fact of explaining why it is a national interest of our country, and also, you know, not dealing with domestic issue. this is not mutual exclusive issues. we have to be good on all fronts and they haven't been doing that and that allows people to get upset and also allows russia to
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do a lot of propaganda to destabilize and they're good at propaganda. don't underestimate them with hybrid wars and we're not proactive and not governing. that's the biggest problem and not taking this war seriously. so i hope it's a wake-up call also for the administration and the senate to start dealing more effectively because we have to deal with this very, very serious war. >> you moeentioned not governin. a good way to describe the house at this point. have you decided whether you will back jim jordan, steve scalise or somebody else? >> this is a crisis of governance in congress. going on four decades and playing politics and circuses. broad conspiracies to the american people and hopefully not doing good things for the people. you know? and i'm going to look, i've said i'm open-minded. i honestly am sick and tired of
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circuses. who will be for the people, incremental positive change in our debt situation, which is getting catastrophic and securing our border. that's extremely important and we need to stop playing politic with people's lives and a i hope on a bipartisan basis because senate is so consumed with elections and doing nothing. i mean, it's really disappointing for me. >> does president trump's, former president trump's endorsement of jim jordan weigh in on your calculation at all? >> listen, i actually am a very open-minded person. i want to look at their capabilities and see their mission how to achieve. i mean, i really just am driven by my own assessment always and very independent thinkers and hold my party accountable as much as the other party. >> congresswoman a week or two ago, time compressed a little given how crazy things have been, you put out a very strong statement. saying if you do not have a debt
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commission by end of this year you would resign and then very critical of leadership. does that still stand even though there is no longer a speaker mccarthy? the next speaker of the house will also have to deliver on that or you will resign? >> well, listen, i need to assess. if it's worthwhile. it's important issue. you need to understand. next year everyone will be doing fund-raising and campaigning. i don't need to be there talking, do presentation. something useful they're going to do. listen, we have to start governing. if i'm not going to be able to deliver i'm not going to waste time and take time from family and a lot of other issues but i do care about this country and hope next leader will be serious and find a way to deliver for the people. i'm very open minded in the situation. mainly i wanted people to know what a broken institution it is and we need to do something about it and i hope on a bipartisan basis start putting pressure on politicians to start
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doing some good. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you for having me. the united autoworkers strike enters its fourth week. the economic losses connected to that strike. a closer look at those just ahead. new body camera footage just released showing arrest of a man suspected of killing rapper tupac shakur. what he said to police after they took him into custody. we'll have that, next.
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them would get the rose today. this after only 17% of the unions 150,000 workers are currently striking why the rest are working. it's unclear if the strike will expand. cnn's reporter joins us now. good graphics. what does it mean? >> reporter: today at 2:00 p.m. expecting to hear from uaw president shawn fain. signature facebook live done the past couple of weeks giving substantial banking updates between what's happening with the union and the big three. what we don't know is will he expand any strikes against the big three? we know that general motors and ford put new offers on the table this week, but the benchmark for fain is whether or not there's been significant progress from week to week with the big three and the union. we know from one of our sources that general motors and the union has made significant progress on key issues. that's important. because of the last three weeks general motors has been struck
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three times, while the other two ford and stellantis have been struck twice. is it enough to avert another targeted strike against general motors? and the rest of the big three? we'll see. but only know at 2:00 p.m. today. >> surprise strategy on a weekly base confounding certainly to automakers. do we have a sense in terms how much the strike cost the big three? >> reporter: general motors tells us in the first two weeks they lost $200 million. but then a step-back looking at the broader economy and ford, stanto ostellantis and gm, estimates at $4 billion. losses to automakers, lost wages, losses to dealerships and consumers. but the number $4 billion really encompasses just the first two week. remember, we're in the third week. there have been additional plants that have been targeted to strike, but we know that general motors, ford and stellantis are all putting record deals on the table. record offers to the big three,
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but apparently not enough quite yet to avert a strike or expand targeted strikes on the wage issue, it's important to note that folks on the picket lines, 25,000 on the picket lines as well as the more than 3,000 that have been laid off because of the ripple effect are eligible for strike pay from the union. that's only $500 a week. not really what their wages normally are. a good sort of stopgap for now, but these folks end of the day want to get off the picket lines. we'll see at 2:00 p.m. if there's in our progress for any closeness to deal. >> and a finite pot of money. >> only $850 million. that's running out. >> fascinating importanter to. great work. thank you. new this morning, las vegas police releasing bodycam video showing the arrest of duane keffe d davis accused of killing rapper tupac shakur in 1996. once in the car they begin talking.
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here's part of that conversation. >> hang on. >> so what they got are for, man? >> biggest case in history. >> oh, yeah? >> yeah. >> quite recent? >> i don't know. the united states -- something -- >> no [ bleep ]? wow. that's a long time, a long time away. >> know what i'm -- >> hmm? >> know what -- >> yeah. not detected quite yet, but, yeah. >> i ain't worried about i didn't do no [ bleep ]. >> well, i mean, that's what court's for. right? >> yeah. >> the 6-year-old suspect appeared in court first time this week on a charge of murder with a deadly weapon. the judge delayed arraignment at least two week. tupac's murder subject of a decades' long investigation.
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a beloveds person killed right in front of his girlfriend. ryan carson's boss talked with the man he worked closely with over the last several years. a group in chicago voluntarily treating more than 2,000 migrants living on the streets outside of police stations. their story, ahead.
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a beloved community activist stabbed on the street. tell you more what happened. as we get to that the video you're about to see is disturbing. police say carson and his girl friend waiting at a brooklyn busstop 4:00 a.m. a man with a dark hoodie walked past. they decided to walk home and kicked scooters on the street and ultimately confronting carson asking what are you looking at? carson trying to dees -escde-es. and he was stabbed three times once in the heart. police identified the suspect as
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18-year-old brian daling arrested yesterday and facing charges of murder and criminal possession of a weapon. carson spent a decade working with nork public interest group well known in new york political circles. new york city mayor eric adams remembered him in a post, ryan carson turned his passion into purpose, advocated tirelessly for others and giving spirit a blessing to all. new york senators chuck schumer called him a rising talent and extraordinary activist and threw himself into everything he did with passion and humanity. joining us, executive director of new york's public interest group and ryan carson's bloss blare horner. very sorry for your loss. how you and the staff doing right now? >> well, we've started -- it's brutal. it's a devastating thing to have happen. the staff are -- we've organized grief counseling.
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we're trying as best we can to kind of make it through the week, and -- it's tough. it's very tough. this, ryan was beloved member of the team, and we're relatively a small non-for profit and people have a close relationship outside of work . >> in describes him, people mention his big laugh, big small, how well liked and there ten years starting as a student volunteer. a pivotal moment moving into adulthood. that, too, must have really left an impression. >> yeah. you're right. i mean, as a staff member, ryan was known to be, you know, hahard working, smart, creative and paid attention to detail, and at personal level was one of the people that lit up the room. had a big smile. always very friendly. willing to give the shirt off
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his back if you needed it and his work reflect thatd. that. involved in our organization and a lot of activity outside of our organization. a very caring person. he cared about people on an individual basis, as well as society at large. >> you mention his work. the outpouring of i think grief but also things people have been saying in the wake of this tragedy, it is very noteworthy. what was -- what was it about him what was it about his work that connected with so many? >> well, again, i think it's just the, the force of his personality. had was hard not to like the guy. he really was a very much, a wonderful person, and genuinely cared enough that connected with people. and so he was always willing to do the hard work. and he was always willing to help people out and that's the kind of thing that, you know, a as human interaction, that's the kind of thing people respond to
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very positively. so his hard work, broad scope of interests, and his passion, people reacted very positively to it and loved the guy and we did, too. >> emily gal goetsch said i'm absolutely positive this is a person suffering from a lack of resources in our community, probably needs better mental health support possibly housing, drug support or drug treatment. what we would want to avenge his death fix how broken this city is. how much of that was focus for him? you talk about his passion for the city and also on a broader social level. do you believe if there were similar circumstances he was aware of he would have, in fact, been talking about the very real needs that need to the met in the city? >> well, you know, it's very -- this is a very raw experience for me personally, and for everybody who works with us. it's hard to sort of tease out
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the reactions. obviously, anything that can be done in society to make the place a safer place for everyone in terms of their abilities to work their way through school, to get good jobs. all of those things are important. policy issues, that should be addressed. no doubt about it. my guess is that ryan would have seen this individual as a troubled person. and so, but you know, from sort of the narrow perspective where i sit now, i'm more concerned about the colleagues, friends, his family, to the extent i can be helpful to sort of help people work their way through this terrible circumstance. >> we certainly are thinking be you, your team. condolences and hope that you figure out a way to deal with this certainly focused on the legacy as well. blair horner, we appreciate your time.
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thank you. a group of medical students going above range of duty seeing a range of migrants bused from texas to chicago. many nowhere to sleep but on the floor. we have their story. >> going to be a busy day. >> reporter: they start early and visit often. medical students and doctors from the chicago area treating patients at chicago police stations where more than 2,000 migrants live waiting to move into shelters. >> time to let them know we will get to them. everyone will be seen, but they have to be patient. >> reporter: they spend hours here all on their own time. this is entirely volunteer run and donation funded. the idea of second-year medical student sarah. >> i think baby has a current fever going on right now. it's been overwhelming. every time i feel that we can scale up and we catch up, the number of people in a police station doubled. >> reporter: she started the mobile migrant health team in may and regularly sees more than 100 people per visit. the team pays for medical supplies to treat patients on
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the street over the countermedicine and even prescriptions like antibiotics. >> someone with a migraine wants an ibuprofen because she can't afford it. >> reporter: calling her simply a force, helped built the project. >> built this with bubble gum and toothpicks and able to really bring a lot of wonderful services. [ speaking in a global language ]. >> okay. >> reporter: the migrants journeys are long and dangerous and she's seen a range of cases including complications from miscarriages. >> i go home and sometimes can't sleep because my patients are still here i'm in a bed they're on a floor. and also just the worry. >> reporter: concerns she took to chicago city council. >> we are seeing children who have been cut up by the barbed wire in rivers, sloppily stitched up in texas, put on a bus by texas and then dropped off and deposited into chicago
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police stations with their cuts infected. >> reporter: migrants are pulling into the city in record numbers. the impact of sharah and her tem are immeasurable. >> i lived to baby's lungs. they sound really good. >> i do think we're saving lives. situations where i go home and i feel good, just because i know if we hadn't been there something really dangerous could have happened. >> reporter: whitney wild, chn c cnn, chicago. testifying in court he and sam bankman-fried committed multiple financial crimes. in the room and interviewed bankman-fried in the fast will join us, next. mohammadi mohamm.
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he deliberately lied to the world leading one of the biggest financial fraud cases in american mystery. that's what federal prosecutors said this week at the start of the criminal trial of sam bankman-fried. yesterday the co-founders at ftx told prosecutors he and bankman-fried committed multiple crimes.
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prosecutors say sbf stole billions by illegally diverting massive sums of ftx to his piggy bank, of sorts. >> he was pled not guilty to seven counts of fraud and conspiracy. if convicted could spend the rest of his life in prison. our next guest was in the courtroom yesterday as an interview. he interviewed spf for his book. also testified last december at a senate hearing focused on the collapse of ftx. >> in my opinion, the cryptocurrency industry represents the largest ponzi scheme in history. in fact, by the time the dust settles, crypto may represent a fraud at least ten times bigger than madoff. >> ben mckenzie joins us now. good to have you with us.
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you were actually in court for part of the day yesterday. there as an observer. take us inside that courtroom if you would. >> there is a lot of media interest. trump's trial is next door. >> it's a little busy downtown. >> but a lot of reporters. i was in the overflow room, there were 30 or 40 of us watching on a closed-circuit monitor. gary wong, the co-founder of ftx, testified that osam bankman-fried excited time to write back door code which would allow them to steal their customers' money, the borrow the money put on ftx but have it in alameda research, sam's other company. explosive stuff. >> that's not something you are supposed to be doing? >> no. even in the bahamas, i don't think. >> i like the description of alameda like his personal piggy bank. that's not legal. that's why he is where he is, to some degree? >> you can't borrow someone's
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money if they don't know they are lending it to you. that's called stealing. >> sort of a technical term. yeah, it is fascinating watch this downfall. i think so pane people were struck by how quickly it happened. we heard from your testimony the size and scope of it. but the renewed interest at this trial is going on, i think it reminds people of that and brings up a lot of questions why should i be so invested in this. what is the broader concern for americans as you look at this trial and look at some of these details coming out just yesterday? >> cryptocurrency has really heretofore existed in an unregulated form. ftx was run out. bahamas. binance says it has no headquarters. so we are really dealing with the wild west of unregulated finance. and as regulators and law enforcement officials sort of are playing catch-up, and i think doing a decent job at this
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point, we will see more of to come. another guy i interview in the book, his fraud trial is set for next year. they have sued binance. i think there is more to come. >> i have to ask because we were talking about beforehand my frustration with michael lewis just happening to be profiling this individual in the middle of the biggest financial collapse. his past work, always extraordinary, it's been really interesting as his book about sam bankman-fried comes out. the critiques of it, how people are viewing it. you wrote a review of this book. you read the whole thing. what's your take on it? >> it's interesting. michael lewis spent a year with sam bankman-fried and seems to believe he is innocent or at least the charges are flawed. i spent one hour with sam last year and i thought sam bankman-fried was full of it.
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>> why? >> he couldn't give me straight answers to basic questions. one of the questions wags, what does cryptocurrency do? what is one thing it can do better than anything else? and he couldn't answer that question. he couldn't answer give me one crypto project that has any real utility. the project he named he happened to own lot of. i thought that was awfully self-serving. at the end of our interview when he thought the cameras weren't rolling, this was all recorded, i started slagging the other players in crypto, talking trash, including one his biggest business partners, tether. it gave me the chills. i thought if this is the king of crypto, is this a kingdom of san sand? this is not a real business. what are we talking about here? sure enough, three or four months later it fell apart. i don't know what to make of michael lewis' book.
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let's just say we have very different takes on sam bankman-fried. >> it's great to have you here this morning. >> thank you. >> come back. as the trial goes on, there will be more days like yesterday. >> my pleasure. >> careful of the other trial. >> appreciate it. thank you. donald trump is not running for house speaker but he is throwing his weight behind jim jordan. will the endorsement push the iowa representative closer to the vote threshold he needs? we will gief divac in next.
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