>> people are pisse deshgs and that the take and the quote that we have now that the house moderate republicans and how they are feeling about this new idea of a televised debate between candidates for house speaker now. what the frenzy of phone calls and behind the scenes appeals and now this debate means for the house majority currently

still in a mess. for mall deprogramming of maga cult members is what hillary clinton says needs to help with the house speaker. we have an exclusive interview. and now, nearly doubled jobs what economists were expecting. the acting labor secretary is our guest, and president biden is expected to speak out as well. with john berman, i'm kate bolduan, and this is cnn "news central." this morning, that new word of a televised debate between the leading candidates to be house speaker and a new reporting on the difference that a donald trump endorsement can make, and the issue of addition or subtraction? overnight, trump endorsed house judiciary chair jim jordan over

the house majority leader steve scalise. he may want to be the kingmaker, but might it have the opposite effect? they continue to work the phones to drum up the support, and see where things stand. lauren fox on capitol hill, and what are you hearing? >> this morning, a lot of questions of what trump's endorsement for jim jordan means for him in the race. in some ways, jim jordan was already a favorite of the conservatives and member of the house freedom caucus, and many who are watching that trump the endorsement closely, but again, the larger question looming is how the two candidates jim jordan and steve scalise are going to win over the moderate colleagues, republicans who won in districts that biden carried in the last presidential election, and this is where the focus s. it is important the note that many of them this morning according to our colleague melanie zanona are

deeply frustrate and upset about the fact that many of the candidates are going to be talking to bret baier on fox news than having a full conference. we expect that things are going to be moving quickly and questions of whether they will get to the floor for house speaker vote, and monday, we expect a republican conference meeting on tuesday and tuesday, a candidate forum, and then wednesday, a conference of who they want for speaker and then when they go to floor for that is remaining. neither have locked down the 218 votes. now does the endorsement help jim jordan or make it tougher for him with the moderates? those are the key questions this morning. >> and you said that moderates are pissed about this televised debate. what is it that they want to see or the sensitivity with how this plays outt? >> yeah, well, john, think about how the house republicans have

been dealing with the last week. they starteded with speaker kevin mccarthy monday and they have no longer have a speaker who can govern on the floor, and a lot of frustration that the house republicans need to have a private family conversation, before going out to air any dirty laundry in public, and that is part of the frustration and concern this morning. this is about governing so many republicans are arguing, and they need to come together tooz a consensus as a conference as soon as possible to continue on with the spending bills, because a government deadline is hitting november 17th, and the longer the internal debate wears on, the longer the fight with jim jordan and steve scalise, the longer it is until that government gets funded. >> all right. lauren fox, keep us posted. kate, keep it clean. >> stop it. and now, congressman tim burchett is going to join us,

and he is one of the congressmen who voted to oust speaker kevin mccarthy. have you reached a decision of who you want to endorse or vote for speaker? >> i am not bill on the endorsements, and you don't pick up friends with endorsements but just enemies, and so all of my conversations are private. i think about the same thing with debates, i bring my side and you bring your side, and we both leave thinking that we won. i don't have any animosity of those, but vi talked to jim and steve at length, anded they are both very good friends, and i will listen to what they say. it sounds real trendy and hip, but i am concerned about the vision of the party and the uncan trishgs and -- country.

we owe $3 trillion in debt, and in three months we rack up another trillion of debt, and on 33 trillion in debt, about $1 trillion is interest, and the money we are giving to the chinese or whoever we are borrowing the money from, and that is my concern right now. >> congressman, does donald trump's endorsement of jim jordan matter to you? >> no, ma'am, it doesn't. as i stated, president trump has been kind to me, and a friend, and he even says my name right, and he says burchett, burchett, and it is funny because he is one of the few. >> we are working on it. >> i know it, but you did great. and my daughter is a barrel racer, and every arena, if they get isabelle right, i am happy, because i know where she is supposed to be, but all kidding aside, but i don't, and it will influence a lot of people,

because i think that what president trump was doing that they were considering him as speaker, and that now is going to put those people's focus on where it is going to be of who is the next speaker of the house. >> well, it does not influence you, congressman, and so do you think that because of the influence that donald trump has over a big portion of the conference, do you think that in some way, it could make it impossible for steve scalise get to 218 since trump is behind jordan? >> no, ma'am, i don't. because as you all stated we have moderate and frankly liberal members of the partysh and they are all dear friends of mine, because i think that it puts them in a different light. the net gain, it will be a net gain, but i think that it might pull a couple off even. but i honestly think that it helps jim a lot in the caucus n the conference. >> you talked about your chief concern hearing from the next speaker is hearing about fiscal

responsibility, but the next question has to be about the concept of compromise to reach consensus with the democrats in a divided congress. so if the next speaker says to you, that our government is designed to find compromise and you can't get everything that you want, and you have the house, and you have the senate, can you accept that? >> yes, ma'am, i can, but you don't go to the senate and say, when you compromise and say s we will cut 1% of the growth and then you start it above base. i always give the example, i raised the speed limit in tennessee, and steve cohen was my senate sponsor and i was the house sponsor and so si asked for 85 miles per hour knowing they would take 70, and of course, i brought peyton manning to nashville the week before and i could have passed communism and gotten 100 miles per hour that week, but the reality is that you have to ask for more. and also, ma'am, both of the

men, jim jordan and jim scalise understand the art of compromise, if twir speaker, i would talk to the president everyday, and talk to chuck schumer everyday. >> the reason i quoted that is because that is exactly what kevin mccarthy said in the press conference after you voted him out. if that is not good enough for him, and why is that good enough for the next speaker. >> well, saying and doing are two different things. the democrats overwhelmingly, and more or less they approved to him, because they got everything that they asked for in reality. we really got nothing. we keep going down that path and we lose. so when you have a strong leader as those two gentlemen that you have mentioned are. and it could be a dark horse like kevin hearn who is a guy that people could fall in love

with, and grew up in a housing project and ended up owning a bunch of mcdonald restaurants. and one thing in the republican party is that we have deep bench which is going to serve well for the country, but america also needs to understand that when the media says is bed lamb and kay, you and we f-- bed -- bedlam and kay, you and we have followed the rules that kevin mccarthy laid out. >> yes, and he found himself in the victim of his own rules. so with the motion to vacate to fire kevin mccarthy, and now there is a push from more moderate republicans to have a change in the rules. i saw some reporting that there is a letter that was sent out by a group of 45 house republicans to all of you essentially saying that there has to be changes to this rule. would you sign on to changes in

that rule? the motion to vacate? >> i would look at the reasons. that has been on the books since the 1920s, and nancy pelosi took it out knowing that she would have a thin margin and she did not want to face that option. >> and even mitch mcconnell said that it has to change. >> well, mitch mcconnell doesn't tell me what to do, and he is up in kentucky and i'm in the second district of tennessee, and i listen to what my folks say. i appreciate them, because they have been friends to me and nice to me, but ultimately i have to make that decision, and i don't have a problem with it. frankly, i think that one person, you know, it is a one that everybody has a voice, and this is what is behind the movement, and it may go by the wayside. honestly, a lot of the members do, but i want listen to all of the argument, because it was put in place for good reason. >> and real quick, you told

c-span yesterday, some of the well healed supporters have told you that they will not support you over the vote, over your decision to oust kevin mccarthy, and we have heard from multiple house republicans that this chaos could cause the republicans to lose the house majority in 2024. is this worth it if it costs you all the majority? >> ma'am, we weren't doing anything. we need success and we shouldn't have waited until september 30th or the week before september to start working on the budget. we were home the whole month of august and didn't do anything with the term limits and we need to address things like fentanyl and the border and the out of control spending, and yet, that is what we were going to do at the end of september. so i would submit to you that i think that the new leadership will do that, and address those

things. i don't think it going to cause one blip on election day. and everybody talks about covid and january 6th, but i am like america, i want my pizzas in 30 minutes or less, and that is my attention span. and i think most of america is worried bt the decreasing value of the dollar. >> and they also do like to see that there is a functional legislative branch and right now, there is no functioning, and no speaker and you are guys are not coming back until tuesday. and so i wanted to get your temperature on this, if it does cost your majority, and what has played will out in the last week, if your view, was it worth i it? >> that is not my intention to cause the majority and you are asking would be and could be and jesus might come, too, and i wouldn't have to worry about it,

but i deal with what is in front of me, and the republican party is going to be united and one floor on the floor, and that is going to be it, and this is going to be a distnat memory quick. >> from barrel racing to the return of jesus christ. this has been an interesting interview. thank you for your time, congressman burchett. >> i will say that my wife. >> go ahead. >>ly say that i have to give full credit to my wife who said that y'all voted for a rule and you voted kevin out on a rule that kevin voted for and the congress had actually passed, and so the rules are in place, and we are moving ahead. >> best to your wife as well. thank you so much, congressman. >> thank you, ma'am. >> john. >> i thought that you were going to go on the whole name pronunciation thing and compare how yours is spelled. >> his is spelled right right and pronounced right, and mine

is spelled right and pronounced wrong or vice versa. hillary clinton is weighing in on to mess in the house with christiane amanpour. have a listen. >> the base of the republican party for whatever combination of reasons, and it is a emotional and psychological, sees in him someone who speaks for them. and they are determined that they will continue to vote for him, attend his rallies, wear his merchandise, because for whatever reason he and his, you know, very negative, nasty form of politics resonates with them. maybe they don't like migrant, and maybe they don't like gay people or the black people or the woman who didn't get the promotion at work they didn't get and whatever reason, "make america great again" was a bid

for nostalgia to return to a place for people who can be in charge of their lives and feel empowered and say what they wanted and insult whoever came in their way, and that was really attractive to a significant portion of the republican base. so it is like a cult. somebody has to break, you know, break that momentum, and this is why i believe that joe biden will defeat him, and hopefully then it will be the end, and the fever will break, and then republicans can try to get back to, you know, fighting about issues among themselves and electing people who are at least responsible and accountable. >> and you can watch chri christiane's full interview with hillary clinton monday on "amanpour." and this, the week that was,

capitol hill, flips and backflips and things that simone biles can't pull off. we will discuss what former president trump had disclosed sensitive information about nuclear submarines to a former cardboard tycoon at mar-a-lago, and why this is of interest to the special counsel. and plus, the huge jobs report that we told you about in the beginning of the hour, and president biden is set to speak, and what does it mean for him and his administration and the re-election campaign. his acting labor secretary julie su will join the show.

tyndall. the morning failout after the chaotic week on capitol hill. a government shutdown barely avoided, and ouster of the house speaker, and by tuesday night, matt gaetz said that he would be out, and he was out by tuesday night. >> sometimes i can't handle you. and now, the men coming forward to take his spot is jim jordan and steve scalise, and donald trump throwing his support now behind jim jordan. was it a mess or chaotic? it has all led to paralysis which is not great. joining us now is the national reporter from "the new york times" syd herndon, and also, cnn political analyst alice stewart. so we wanted to step back for "the week that was" and first,

who has more juice this weekend, moderate republicans, the house freedom caucus or someone else? >> i would say in the short term, it is moderate republicans, because the person who is running to be the next speaker needs that group to cross over to 218, but the juice remains with donald trump, and through that the freedom caucus, but in the short time, i would go with the moderate republicans, because they are holding the keys to whoever is going to be able to get to that number and become the next speaker. >> the juicemaker might ultimately be -- >> the real juicemaker is donald trump. >> and so the one thing that might trip up the speaker next week is blank? >> motion to vacate. look, whoever is going to be the next speaker needs to make sure that the motion to vacate proposal is off of the table.

we cannot function and clearly kevin mccarthy could not govern with matt gaetz running around the capitol run around with the motion to vacate every time he did not get his way. the republicans need to get their act together, and it is tumultuous and chaotic and a mess, and we have to get past the politics of grievance, and the politics of governing, because that is what they were expected the do, and the sooner they do that and get a speaker in place who focus on that, the better. >> and amongst the many things that i had with tim burchett in the last block is that he seemed to be in a, yeah, the motion to vacate could change, and he kind of accepted that is the way it is going, but though he did make clear, and accurate in this, they were playing by the rules that were set forth in the house. so, this was as we have discussed many times, this was kevin mccarthy between a rock and a hard place of his own

design, but when it is coming to matt gaetz, the chief rock and hard placer, he was going to oust kevin mccarthy when what? >> well, i don't think that matt gaetz is going to regret the move to oust kevin mccarthy, and the point you are making is a good one. kevin mccarthy sold kind of his soul for the speaker's gavel, but he set the train in motion for his own demise. that motion to vacate is an albatross around his neck. but they are playing around different rules. they do not feel deferential to the party or walk in lock step with the qaa kushgs and also, who is going to be around for governor with these kinds of the stunts and thumbing the nose with the republican establishment would play well. because this is a republican party who believes that donald

trump is going to get that republican nomination, and the closer, you are to his priorities with the coming year, the better. i think that a lot of people who are going to find those motions, but i am not sure that regret is in his vocabulary. >> and now, we are learning that there is going to be a televised debate, and the moderators are going to be -- >> their picks. >> the moderates are complaining that it going to be on tell, i have and the congressman jimenez said it is a really, really bad idea. and the chances that any of this looks less dysfunctional after this weekend? >> zero. look, the reality is that we have two frontrunners who are throwing their hat in the ring for this position, and steve

scalise who is working more behind the scenes and working with the members that he has a strong relationship making the case, and jim jordan is doing the same, and also out there on television and conservative radio and talk shows and going about this campaigning of speakership in a different way. i think that the public debate is a good thing for people to see the issues, and scalise has said that he is clear that he wants to focus on the priorities that they were elected to do which is reining in spending and secure the border, and out the the fact that he is a very good fund-raiser for the party, and jim jordan is going to focus on those issue, but he has made a name for himself with the impeachment for biden and that not going to set well with many of them, and the case for unity, because of the incentive structure of the tyranny of the minority, and trump's consensus building of the house, and we

need to get past that and find out who can build consensus in the house caucus. >> alice stewart and armstead as well. thank you you for joining us and playing the round with us. >> and now, did donald trump share nuclear secrets? and what did the man who was arrested for tupac shoe cur's murder say.

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donald trump, nuclear s secrets anded a foreign billionaire, this morning they are all at the center of a pretty wild new report. according to the abc news, this is reporting that months after leaving white house, trump potentially discussed sensitive information about nuclear submarines with his mar-a-lago club, and an australian billionaire whitney pratt. we are told that he was interviewed in the documents case, and now that pratt is a potential witness for federal prosecutors. >> and pratt discounted part of that conversation, and at mar-a-lago, he said that australia should start buying the subs from the united states, and that is when trump leaned in and told him the supposed number

of warheads that subs can carry and how close they can get to the russian sub without being detected, and pratt went on to tell a lot of people the stuff that trump told him. with us is legal analyst elliot williams. and consular, so special investigators have talked to pratt about this, and yet the information did not appear in the indictment. and so what might they be interested in and why not part of the criminal charges so far. >> certainly. so, in order, and it is a crime as we know well now to share or disclose information related to the national defense, and it does not matter how classified, but it could be a crime to convey this information, and there a any number of reasons that something is not going to appear in an indictment, and they don't have the evidence to

trust the evidence, and perhaps credibility with the witness. they could charge it down the road if they get more witnesses or evidence to back it up, or three, they feel that they are not confident with what they have. the prosecutors are not confident with what they have and they are not confident in what they have, and that goes into decisions all of the time, and maybe that is what happened here. >> if he is on the potential witness list, anthony pratt, and how could they use this australian billionaire to prosecute the case if he is not part of the indictment? >> well, it can be relevant at sentencing if in fact the president is convicted on the other crimes of merely having engage damaged in similar conduct could come up at sentencing if not at trial, and

may think of having conversations with the president. so they tend to be exclusive about anything that you are thinking about calling or potential witnesses, and so i am not surprised by this. >> and one of the lawsuits dropped he had been suing the fixer michael cohen for some time because of what he had been doing, and he was going after cohen for stuff that he had been doing, and he dropped it just before he had to give a deposition in this case, and why is that, and what does it tell you about what donald trump may or may not fear and what are the intentions in general? >> there is nothing like having to go to court to make someone decide they don't want to proceed with the case. we can't get into someone's head, john, and i can't divine what they were thinking, but merely approaching deposition

date probably seemed like the thing that got him to say, that it was not worth pursuing. number one any time a witness goes into a deposition, he is creating another record of evidence, and the attorneys in the criminal cases were screaming to the high heavens that the moment that you open up your mouth in another case, you could open up yourself to more trouble, so the fact that it was going to happen rather than sticking it to michael cohen that led the president to back out here, and you see it in criminal cases, too, where the cases tend to plead out right before the trial, where it is the reality of knowing what the consequences that you going to face which makes people second-guess how much they want the fight. >> and don't sell yourself short, because you a fantastic diviner of things. thank you, for coming on this morning. and now, we are having more

information into the arrest of the man charged with the killing of tupac shakur. and so now the camera that was on the body cam video with the taking him into the back of the squad karsh and even the officer seemed surprised about who is in the back seat. >> so what do they have you for, m man? >> a case -- >> recent? >> no. september 7th, 1996.

>> oh, no, [ bleep ], wow. that is a long time away. >> you are talking the -- >> not quite yet. >> well, that is what court is for, right? and he was in court for the first arraignment, and i spoke to his attorney who said that they were trying to get him some local representation there in nevada, and the question remains, why did it take so long, and why the arrest now, and our colleague sara sidner spoke to tupac's brother saying that he had been out there talking about the case, but he said that they didn't want to go on the defendant's admissions alone, and they wanted to gather evidence, and in last couple of years, additional witnesses came forward and so we will have to

see what evidence they present in the trial. >> good to see you. thank you. >> sara sidner? we know her. >> a huge jobs number coming out shocking the economy, and why is the economy adding so many jobs, and why don't consumers seem happier about it?

moderate house republicans are venting their frustration

this morning and pushing back against a planned televised debate really amongst the candidates that now want to become the next speaker of the house. the debates like this, in case you are wonder, they don't happen and especially televised. this is the be moderated by fox's bret baier and to happen monday and especially ahead of the first gathering of the republicans in the house to talk about this. cnn's oliver darcy is joining me. oliver, what is this going to look like? >> yeah, this is really extraordinary, and i can't remember, and maybe our colleague raw ju manu, but i can't remember any time in history when there has been a televiseded debate for the debate. fox news put out a news release saying that it is not a debate, but a joint interview. so it is jim jordan and steve ka lease and kevin hearn are going

to appear ahead of bret baier monday to do this joint interview to talk about the ek spooership. i think that, kate, again, this is going to highlight, and i sound like a broken record sometimes, but it is highlighting the closeness of fox news and the right wing channel to the gop channel, and there is a reason they are going to fox news, because it is effective the arm of the republican party, and bret baier is of course, different than people like shawn hannity who have made endorsements already in the speaker race, but nonetheless, they are close, and symbiotic, and it is just remarkable. >> and the fact that it is remarkable, that it is unremarkable that someone like sean hannity is making

endorzmentes is -- endorsements. and so, congressman john jimenez says it is terrible idea, and they don't have the pulse of the conference. and inhuman attack. one of the deadliest attacks since the invasion of ukraine began.

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, so, this morning we learned that the u.s. added 336,000 jobs which is nearly double what the economists expected to see and

it is a big number, and with us is acting labor secretary julie su, and thank you for being with us, and why do the economists keep getting this so wrong? it is a big miss and what do you think they saw that didn't happen? >> so, so many things ts about economy have been defying the expectation, and this is a sign of the strength of the economy and the recovery from the pandemic, and strong and stable growth. it is what we want to see. more jobs. people wanting jobs and getting them. and that is part of the record low unemployment rate which is under 4% for over a year and a half, and the longest stretch since 1960s. >> again, 336,000 jobs is a lot jobs by any definition, and still people want to see more,

and how do you explain to people the perverse incentive structure in the economy if you will where there is concern that the jobs markets is too hot, and too many people are being hired, and this is going to mean that interest rates are only going to go up? >> so, a couple of things. job growth is a good thing, because it means that more people can have more opportunity, and find a pathway to the middle-class and own a home, and share in the american dream, but looking in the trends, we are seeing stable and steady growth, and move from the hot recovery that we saw last year, and so the three-month trend is 266,000 jobs is the average that has been created. it was over 400,000 at this time last year, and so overall by all markers, this is a really good sign that the economic policies that we have in place are working, and that the american

people are getting some breathing room. >> you have no concerns that it is too hot, and this more than when president biden was talking to "the wall street journal," and 180,000 or 190,000 is a slow and steady, but this is a lot more than that. >> we try not to make any much of one month's numbers, but the overall trend, and certainly since president biden came into office, and record low unemployment rate, and more work to do on the inflation, and growth in wages especially among the lowest paid workers and this is what it means to have the economy from middle up and out, and strong wages and participation in the economy where nobody is left behind, and we are not worried about this, because this is not what we want to see. >> we are the seeing the high

profile action between the screen actors guild and aftra, and so the writers strike and the auto workers, and as acting secretary of labor, is it a good thing to have a number of strikes? >> to leave jobs that don't provide them the security and the income they want for better jobs, and unions have more power at the bargaining table to demand nhigher wages and safer work conditions and all of those are very much a part of what the president says, how do you build a worker-centered economy, and strikes are one part of that of how they exercise the power, and we have seen lots of cases and lot s of tables where the partis

bargain and lots of strike, and over the long run, we see that there are things that are better and it is how we built a strong working class in this country throughout history. >> thank you, acting secretary of labor, julie su, for coming on. >> thank you very much. and more hundreds of venezuelans are coming toward our country, and now president biden is shifting his policies.