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a booming jobs report. more jobs is a good thing, but this time, it could cost you. president biden is set to speak this hour, and we will bring that to you, live. >> this is a quote for you. people are pissed, and those people are moderate house republicans who don't want to see a televised debate between the speaker candidates, and where do things stand this morning after trump made an endorsement. and trump and nuclear s secrets and a australian billionaire. did trump disclose nuclear sub secrets to a cardboard tycoon from australia? sara is off today, and i'm kate bolduan with john berman. >> insanity circus is how you
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could describe this show, but it is how some are describing this televised debate of sorts of the leading candidates to become house speaker. jim jordan and kevin hearn, you can see them right there, they are to participate, and that is swirling around the house conference, and in the meantime, donald trump is putting his full support behind jim jordan. lauren fox is joining us. how is jim jordan reacting to the endorsement that came in over knight. >> yeah, i mean, you can expect that he is grateful for the former president's endorsement, and a question of whether or not this is really going to help him in the race given that he had large swathes of the republican bloc and members of the house freedom caucus behind him. those are the same members who might look to donald trump as a potential arbiter as to who could be the next speaker.
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i wanted to get to some new news as reported from melanie zanona, that he wants to talk to some people of the caucus before the interview with bret baier, and this is also his impact to win over the moderates and system of the members who are close allies of kevin mccarthy, but our colleague manu raju caught up with jim jordan earlier today about the trump endorsement, and this what he said. >> i appreciate the president's endorsement, and he is the leader of the party, and the leader of the party and i believe he going to be the next president, and i appreciate that, but the key thing is our colleagues. we have got from the freedom caucus to the people in middle
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to the committee chairs to jim van drew who was the leader four years ago to across board support, and we will keep working. >> and the time line of how all of this is going to be playing out next week including whether or not any of the candidates in the race, jim jordan or steve scalise can lockdown the 218 votes they need, that question still remains. i talked to patrick henry, interim speaker a few minutes ago before he went into his office if he was confident they would get there by next week, and he said they will have a schedule update later in the day, but no assurances that it will be tidied up and dealt with by the end of the week. >> because there is no way to guarantee that at this moment. great to see you, lauren, and great reporting. john? >> and joining us is gregory meese, the ranking member of the foreign house affair, and thank you, congressman for joining us,
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and you said it is a republican civil war and they have the clean it up themselves, however, it does affect you, because you are the ranking member of foreign affair, and in last day, we have seen a horrifying russian attack in ukraine, and more than 50 people killed in a grocery store, civilian, and in which jim jordan says that he does not want to pass a new aid package for ukraine. and what are the feelings about that? >> devastating. look, this is on the wrong side of history. most of us have read history and some of it took place in 1930s, and individuals then who were hesitant and wanted to intrude into the world war ii where you had adoff hitlelf hitler, and m died.
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we have to keep our commitment to president zelenskyy and the ukrainian people, and it is an investment for us, because we don't have to have the feet on the ground. so i would hope that, and i believe solidly that the majority of people in congress will vote to keep funding ukraine. i hope that the moderate republicans do what they need to do to stand up to make sure that we get a bill on the floor to make sure that we continue to fight and fund and help ukrainians who have put up a gallant fight, and are winning the fight. >> again, as you are looking towards the future as to who you might have to work with on the other side of the isle, the house judiciary chair jim jordan is one of the leading candidates, and people may back
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on january 6th of conversations that he may have had with president trump that day. these are questions that he dodged. >> did you talk to the former president that day? >> i have talked to the former president umpteen, and countless times. i don't ever talk about what we don't talk about, and just leek i don't talk about what happens in the republican conferences, but i have talked to the president on numerous times. >> i am talking about january 6th. >>i have talked to the president so many times that i can specifically, and yes, i have talked to the president. >> is that someone that you have spoken to if he becomes speaker? >> look, it is clear that the extreme maga republicans are in charge and have been in charge, and the republicans are
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completely incompetent to govern since day onesh when they had to vote 15 times to vote for mccarthy and when they collectively decided to call up one vote to call up the speakership, and it is them and they are responsible, and so, it is clear what we are listening to now, and this party of donald trump that he and bannon were behind everything to remove their own speaker. that is who did this. it is functional and i'm concerned about them continuing quite frankly in that regards if they continue to do the same thing that mccarthy did time after time and cater to the maga republican extremists, and it is a lot on the line here. >> what concerns do you have
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that in two to three weeks or two to three months, that you might wake up, and think that you miss having kevin mccarthy as speaker? >> look, again, as i said, this is the republican's goat. it is their civil war. i did not enjoy kevin mccarthy when he was speaker, because we did not trust him. that is what the democrats have said throughout. he had reneged on several things throughout his speakership. and proving it distrus worthy and i would not want my hands to say that he would end as we began. >> i want to end with ukraine here. in your heart of heart, how convinced are you that this congress with the leadership
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that is coming in will grant new aid to ukraine? >> i know that i have talked to a number of my republican colleagues on the national security committees they understand the significance and the importance of getting this aid to ukraine and i would hope that both sides of the isaisle,e talk to the respective individuals about the reality on the ground in ukraine and the realities of what happens if we do not continue to support ukraine, and the realities that already in my opinion that vladimir putin has committed war crimes and you saw the devastation that took place yesterday, and nothing to stop him from not only continuing the assault in ukraine, but also to move in on some of the nato allies. it is in our best interest as a country to support ukraine, and the troops, and give them the
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artillery that they need to continue to win. look, the ukrainians have gained back the ground that vladimir putin has taken, and now, the gains, and even though they are slow, they are made by the ukrainians. they will win this war. that why putin is going to north korea and the iranians to get ammunition, because it is them that is weary and losing out with reference to their ammunitions. we need to stick to it. we will win, and the ukrainians will win. thank you, congressman gregory meeks. so did donald trump share nuclear secrets with a man who made billions off of shipping and cardboard. this a report from abc. months after leaving white house, trump allegedly discussed potentially sensitive discussion about submarines with his
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mar-a-lago club and a billion. that billionaire is anthony pratt as we have learned from the federal prosecutors and he is listed in documents case against donald trump. and according to pratt's accounting of what happened here, in 2021 in mar-a-lago, he told donald trump that australia should start buying their submarines from the united states, and that is when trump leaned in and told him two critical facts, the supposed number of nuclear warheads that the subs carry and how close they can get to russian submarines without being detected. in emails and other communications he relayed it to six journalist and 10 employees and other australians and three australian ministers. joining me now is former deputy
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assistant general tom dupre and former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe. thank you for being here. and andy, what is your take here, because if this is the two options, this is serious or this is short of that and just another round of donald trump not respecting protocol. where do you think this lands? >> well, both of those can be true. first, it is absolutely serious, and this is arguably, the most sensitive information that our government holds, and as evidence of that, i would point out that the vast majority of the classified information is classified by executive order, and that is the president cites what is classify and then cites what is not classified, but not with the nuclear defense information, and that is classified by statue and even the president cannot disclose
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it, but it is another example of donald trump treating our nation's most important secrets with disregard and irresponsibly and in a way that is criminal, though he not charged with this episode yet. >> tom, what is your take on this, and why do you think that it is not part of the indictment that the special counsel hash, jack smith and his team are well aware of these conversations, and it has not been built into the indictment. a few things. perhaps jack smith views this alleged violation as less seriously as the other mar-a-lago violation, and another possibility is that he does not want to delay things to extent to which they have been delayeded in prosecuting the mar-a-lago case, and if he tried to build this episode into the indictment, the judge would be prompted to say that we need more discovery on this and more
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interviews to interview, and it will slow down to progress, and so smith said, i will focus on the strongest boxes and let it go. >> and that is interesting, because andy, you think that it is not the end of the story? >> well, it is possible -- well, let me change it. i don't think it is the end of the story, and i agree with tom that it is not charged for all of the reasons that he is mentioned particularly about the delay, however, i think that we will hear this story again during the trial or after the trial if the former president is convicted, because you can get this admitted as the irresponsible handling of information and all kinds of way that a crafty prosecutor could get it in front of the jury, and it could also be relevant in sentencing if the former president is convicted, you
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could put this in front of the judge as related conduct. so, we have not heard the last of this one i am afraid. >> what kind of witness could anthony pratt be for prosecution in the trial? >> we, he could be very important, because by all accounts he had private conversations with donald trump, and one of the interesting aspects of abc's resporting is that when president trump's communications he leaned forward to speak about this on the patio. so if he were called to testify, he could give the jury information about the substance of the information communicated by the former president and the context and the purpose for which the former president decided to make that information shared. >> thank you. john >> demonstrably brutal.
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with trucks on fire on danube, and more than 50 people were killed in the small village there, and 1 in every 6 residents there is dead. dozens were at a cafe and they were mourning a local soldier when the building was completely destroyed. so much anguish there. cnn's senior international correspondent fredrick pleitgen is live there, and why don't you tell us what you are seeing. >> yes, john. they are assessing damage, and the damage is humongous here, and i wanted to get out of your way, and this is the building that is hit by the strike. we of course, have been reporting about it yesterday, but what happened here in the meantime is that this area last night of course was full of
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debris, and a lot of dead bodies laying around here, and that has been cleared since then, but the teams working here, they came to the conclusion that there were no more survivors that could have been found here in this building that was hit by the missile. so we have sort of the nightfall coming in, and you can see that if we pan over there, that is what is left of the structure of that building. you can see up top of that, there is a sort of a box for ice cream in there, because this was of course a restaurant and a cafe here where there was a funeral wake going on when that missile hit. and one thing that we have learned, john, is that same missile that you have talked about is the same type of missile that is use hd on the
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battlefield in armored formations. and the folks speaking here in the town tell us that it is pretty much every family here in this small village has lost someone in this attack. and you were mentioning every sixth resident was killed in this attack, but we believe that the ratio is worse, because a lot of people left, and so 150 people here, and so every third resident here killed in this attack, john. >> you can see the building is obliterate and, fred, i hope that the point sinks into people, that they are using this powerful weaponry to blow up a small grocery store and such deadly consequences. fred pleitgen, you and the team, please stay safe. kate? president biden now making moves to ask him to throw out the indictment of the felony gun charges that he just plead
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guilty to, and that is coming out in a court filing that the special counsel's hands are tied here, and that hunter cannot be charged now. cnn's sara murray is following this, and she has more detail. what is going on here? well, kate, as you said, hunter biden is going to ask the court the throw out the indictment that brings up the felony gun charges against him. in the plea deal that went badly wrong, a part of it was a diversion agreement with special counsel david weiss said that he would drop a gun charge as long as hunter biden stayed out of legal trouble, and passed the drug test, but that fell apart and that is why we are where we are now, but part of the legal team say that part of the deal still applies and he has immunity, and special counsel david weiss has to abide by that and the felony gun charges should not have been brought against hunter biden. this is a different view than what the special counsel david
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weiss has of course, because he says that the agreement was never approved by a judge, and therefore, it is not enforceable, and so he moved ahead in bringing the felony gun charges, and so this is a preview of the legal wrangling that we will see around this case, as hunter biden's team very much wants to make these charges go away, kate. >> and it does seem that, that this argument as been made by the hunter biden legal team since the jump of the charges that it has not stuck yet, but we will see what happens with the latest move. and 336,000 new jobs added and twice the number of expected, and why have the economists been so wrong, and how might this help you? the largest health care strike in history, and new reporting on that ahead.
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jobs added, but why a but here? what does that have to do with how americans are feeling? >> it is double what analysts have predicted and a lot more of what we have seen over the last year, and despite the robust report, americans may feel terrible about the economy, because when you have a number like this, it may indicate to the fed that they need to raise the interest rates, and americans are paying the higher prices on almost everything right now, and so that is the pain that people are feeling everyday, and they are not looking at the numbers and saying, oh, there is 336,000 new jobs, but it is how much food or gas, and this is signalling to the fed to increase interest rates which means that people have to pay more on the car loans and mortgage rates. the good news here is that the wages are still outpace inflation, and that is what they
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are cooling, and the federal reserve may want to see that, but americans do not want less inwallets, but they want more to come bat these higher price, and what the fed will or will not do is to raise the rates because of the report or wait to see how it plays out, but it is certainly a number that no one was expecting today. >> so this is not what is reflecting what is happening on the picket lines. and s.e. cupp, who is letting you out of detroit, because you covering strike in detroit, and what is that latest? we will hear from shawn fain from the facebook live that he does every week, and we anticipate a significant update on the bargaining of the big three and the union. we do not know though if he is expanding in toif strikes at the big three.
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there has been progress and negotiations this week, and we know that talks are active and according to one of the sources, general motors and the union have made progress in key issue, and if you will recall in the past three week, the union has struck general motors three times, and only ford and stellantis three times, and so it is movement in right direction, but who knows. the benchmark according to shawn fain is significant progress. we will see at 2:00 p.m. the auto workers and makers will be holding their breath, because every time there is an expanded strike, there are billions of dollars of economic impact. so two hours is when to watch. >> thank you, vanessa yurkevich. kate? >> from one strike to another. the largest health care strike
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is now in the third day. more than 75,000 kaiser permanente health care workers went on strike. mostly in california and colorado and now they say that conditions have been made worse by the pandemic, and so, natasha bertrand is in the thick of it, and what are you hearing there? >> well, kate, we actually just got a statement from the union that i am reading in the inbox now. and they say they have additional bargaining sessions schedule for next thursday and friday, because quite honestly this past week in the last 24 hours or so, there has not been any active discussions between the two sides, so it does not seem any agreement reached at least by the end of theday, and this strike is scheduled to conclude by tomorrow morning. so all of the folks are going
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back to work saturday morning. just to remind folks, they include some nurses, technician, receptionist, and front line health care workers who are working through the pandemic and they do not feel valued because of the severe understaffing they have been experiencing. and they also feel like some of the outsourcing the jobs they are not happy with, and the three days of strikes that are scheduled have resulted in some inconveniences of patients who are membersf kaiser across the united states, and of course, in california where a majority of the people who walked out. this is the voices of some patients who talked to us about the experience. >> i cried when i walked into the threshold of the hospital. like i teared up and i cried and i felt bad and i even told the person there, i am so sorry.
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i am so sorry, i feel bad. >> i think that kaiser should step up, and do a better job of keeping the facilities staffed. this is so wrong on all levels. i feel it is bad for the nurse, but i feel worse for the patients. >> and there are long delays for getting appointments, and the website is kind of lousy, too. it is just not enough staff. covid shot, i had to make an appointment for one, and it is a month away. >> reporter: in the l.a. area, we talked to a number of patients who did not have issues getting the care they needed in the strike, because everything is open, and the doctors are still working, but they do tell me that they understand why these people are on strike, because they, themselves, have had a lot of difficulty getting appointments months out even without the strike happening, so
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they agree with the understaffing and they know why the workers are out there on the sidewalk right now. >> and natasha chen in the middle of it right there. and you can see some of the big strikes happening across the country, john. >> and now, a new move that could have a policy impact on the border, but how soon?
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have left venezuelan and fleeing a humanitarian crisis. most of them stay in latin mercator caribbean, but hundreds of thousands of venezuelans have made it to the united states and many of them seeking asylum. priscilla alvarez is here with the latest, and this is something that the white house wanted the power to do, and hasn't, and why now? >> that why it is a breakthrough, john. for years the u.s. could not carry regular deportation flights to venezuela, and that has changed, and the senior officials are not offering too much detail why, but now it is crystal clear that there is a large share of those who are crossing border, and up to this point, the options were only to process them, and release or detain them or in some cases send them back to mexico. those are not many tools when you are looking at the numbers
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that we are uk looking at which thousands of venezuelans causing problems on the streets, and this is critical for the president and his border policies. this a big moment for the administration, and the question is what change happens now. how many flights will there be and will it make a dent to drive down the numbers? that what one dhs official told me of how many flights they can get to deport these people back to venezuela. >> and priscilla, new opinions of the white house of the new construction of a border barrier of 20 mile, and how are they explaining reversal here? >> the resounding message is that these were funds in 2019 for the purpose of the border barrier, and so they had to use the funds. and so they were up to the
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deadline that these fiscal funds had to be used for the sole purpose, and to focus on an effort of how they defend the border. and sok is tear mayorkas said that there is no change of how they will defend the law. and president biden said they will not build an extra mile of law, and the reality is different now, because they are going to have to build up to 20 miles of it. >> priscilla alvarez, thank you for the reporting. kate. wild, crazy, controversial, dangerous, and perfect assignment for cnn's david culver, and a look at the spanish trtradition. we wilbe right back. >> run! run, run!
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so the running of the bulls in spain, it's a tradition that's been going on for centuries. it's dangerous and sometimes deadly, but it attracts tourists from all over the world. >> this sunday cnn correspondent david culver travels to spain to see the thrill, the danger and the cultural tradition firsthand. >> a bit terrifying because you're starting to think, all right, i'm committed. i'm on. i'm going to stay on. as we gather as a group, we kind of find our positioning.
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it's crazy to think that you're standing your ground after first bells and then the rocket goes off. and you're holding your ground. i'm listening to dennis' command. >> run, run, run. >> hold is and run sounded a lot like those moments. david is with us us now. what happened? what was it like? tell us everything. >> clearly i didn't run fast enough.
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walked away from that, fortunately, alive, but with a fractured foot and a bit of a dislocation in part of my finger, but doing just fine now. this was a surprise to not only my family, but some of our bosses who said you did what? i think one thing i really wanted to understand was why people come to this festival, because it's part of the fest that's incredibly cultural and religious holiday and deeply rooted in many traditions in spain. but when you're there, you also want to get a sense of why it brings so many who are not spanish. and i think often time when is you think of the running of the bulls, this was kind of how i thought about it before. you think of one run that happens once a year. really, it's a multiday festival. there's eight days of running. and there's six bulls that run each day. at the end of the day, here's the really controversial part, those bulls end up being killed in a bullfight, which is the really disturbing and tough to
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watch and quite frankly, for a lot of folks, difficult to reconcile the two. but this morgs of it, the running that you see, and i think has probably gotten a lot of play on social media and over the regular media over the years is what most folks think about. it can be terrify ing and i'm thinking now once was definitely enough. >> i want to get to the bullfight as pekt of it in a second. i'm not going to let the fractured foot thing slide. was that from a bull or a human? >> i saw you in the office and i had no idea that's why you were wearing that boot. i had no clue. >> it is a fashion statement. you could hear me coming down the hall from a hundred feet away. that's why i was wearing the boot. i'm out of the boot now. it was a bull that stepped on my left foot. in fairness, i was in his way. so we went right on it.
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that's quite a lot of weight too. >> you're lucky to have a left foot, frankly, if a bull stepped on it at this point. i'm sure we're going to find out more about that when we watch the full hour on sunday night. let's talk about the controversy. in spain, when it comes to bullfights, they are well aware that they are being judged by many for this. which many people consider this to be barbaric. you talked to plenty of people. what did you hear? >> i think the important aspect is you go within span ish culture to find even the division amongst what people make of it. you have folks who are spanish who believe that this is something that's deeply intertwined with their culture. it's something that's incredibly important. and specifically, those in spain don't see this as cheering on suffering so much as cheering on a sport and some have likened it to art. then on the other side, you have many who just see this in the word you used, bar baric and
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think it's suffering. you can't have an animal suffering and consider that to be art, let alone sport. so we get into all of that. we take you along for what is ultimately a festival that brings families together and folks of all ages. it was really interesting to be part of. >> i'm really looking forward to se seeing the full story. great to see you, david. >> healthy and upright. thank you. be sure to tune in. a new episode, one whole hour, two whole feet, airs sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern only on cnn. >> thank you so much for joining us. this is "cnn news central." "inside politics" is up next.
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