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so now you can see the plumes of smoke, and we reported 130 targets, but i believe there are more. kate? >> and yes, the israel defense ministry has ordered a complete siege of gaza. we are seeing the plumes of smoke as the aerial bombardment continues from israel to gaza after the attack of hamas and what happened in israel this weekend. we have video of the air strike hitting the refugee camp in
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populated cities in the world. so you are seeing the fallout there from the air strike at a refugee camp, and also, you are seeing the live pictures of the plumes of smoke, and we were watching as air strikes were happening, and that is a resultf more air strike, and as you heard kate say, more than 130 have been conducted and this is probably 15 minutes ago, and they are continuing to barrage. that is what is happening on the southern border with israel. we have seen the tanks rolling towards that area from israel. but we also now gotten reporting that the israel defense forces are saying that they have used a helicopter to strike inside of lebanese territory to the north. those pictures are those tanks that i was mentioning coming to the border to israel's south. but in lebanon, there has been a strike by an israeli helicopter, partly because the israel defense forces say that they have found militants who have come over the border, and they have engaged them, and they were
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armed suspects, and they have shot and killed. all of this is happening at the same time, and fear of a regio regional congregation, but right now, there is active war in gaza and lebanon border. so nic robertson is on the ground for us all morning, and you have been on the ground, and we have seen that tank going by you, and you are inching closer for the border, and what is that situation near you now? >> yes, john. zooming in, we will look in towards gaza, and the plume of smoke, and whatever has been burning, there it has been burning for some time. that is the impact site of one of the air strikes that we have seen on gaza, and multiple times fighter jets fly by. we have heard the multiple impacts, and we have heard the
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detonations of what sounds like heavy artillery, and occasionally firing bush the dense plume of black smoke really curls around in the sky here. just to give you a little warning, if you are hearing a loud explosion here shortly, don't panic, because the eod team is on site. they have found some grenades here, and they are going to make the grenades safe, and detonate them, but the grenades were found in and amongst the area where the vehicles are over here, and where all of the partygoers on early saturday morning were chased down by hamas, and 260 of them brutally murdered by hamas. that white vehicle is a hamas vehicle, and the israeli defense force came on scene and took out the hamas fighters and more vehicles and hamas fighters killed arn the corner here. but what we are witnessing here, you saw the tank drive through early on, and military patrols
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here, and hearing the distant arms fire coming from direction of gaza, and this area is more and more active military zone as it has been secured through this early hours of the day, and the israeli defense force say they had secured this force from the possibility of any hamas infiltration, and they had gotten rid of any hamas infiltration here. and at the moment, we are seeing the build up of the strikes, and the cleanup after the hamas attack, and this is going to be turned around, because they are going to be detonating the explosives they found down there ever so shortly. sara. >> our thanks to nic robertson near the israel/gaza border, and stand your ground there, nic, and we have seen the deployment of the israeli forces towards the gaza border in the last few
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minute, and again, these are pictures inside of gaza, and as hamas continues to hit the area. at least 700 people were killed in the weekend's terror attack, and thousands more wounded, and people are still wounded and killed at this hour. there were also kidnappings as the israelis were grabbed by the hamas fighters, and as you heard from nic robertson, that there were kidnappings as people had hamas militants coming into the homes, and taking children out. the group says it has more than 100 israeli hostages, and earlier this morning, we spoke to a woman who was beside herself, and her family members had been taken by hamas. she ended up speaking with our becky anderson, but first, we want to go the shawn turner who is going to join us life. can you give us a sense, mr. turner, about where we are right
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now in the sense that we are watching this happen, both lebanon now involved in some way, and israel said that it had strike permission because they were sending militants across the border, and israel responding with a barrage, and saying they will take siege to all of gaza, and to rid it of hamas. what is the end game here? how do you see it playing out? >> yeah, sara. since the very start of the conflict, i have been talking to the colleagues in the national security community and other national security circles, and the concern is that everyone concerned that this conflict is a larger regional conflict, and what to do to prevent that. it is increasingly possible with what we have seen over the last couple of hour, and preventing a
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larger regional conflict is going to be under way. no way that hamas could have orchestrated a well financed and organized advancement without the support of iraq. what we have seen from the last half hour or so with israel needs to strike the forces into lebanon, that is suggesting the worst case scenario is playing out here for the larger re regional. it is clear that the the israeli officials have said they will bring everything they have to put the conflict down. and we are talking about the terror state in the form of hamas and hezbollah and other,
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and while we are recognizing that israel is doing what it needs to do to defend itself, we have to watch carefully, and the united states has to play a key role in making sure that the larger regional conflict is something that we are trying to be good for the people of israel or the united states. >> and now, hamas says they have more than 100 people they have kidnapped and taken back to gaza, and israel is saying they are going in to do the strikes and trying to avoid the civilian, but this is the most densely populated city on earth, and how is that possible to happen, and how do you see it, the response of those in.
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>> yes, sara. what you need is to do is precise surgical strikes on the targets with the highest likelihood not to put the citizens in a harm's way, but you to remember that this is a small area, an area of 25 miles wide. and dense area, and a lot of the urban fighting. and we know that the hamas fighters are going to strategically use and keep the forces at bay with regard to the nature of strikes they are going to launch. so thinking about the situation that israel is in right now, and there is going to be a couple of things that are key. look, this strike group that is moving into the region, and that curious strike group is going to
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provide that and this difficult for israeli forces is that there is a level of restraint that needs to be there if not for the hostages. israel is focused on making sure that the people are not injured or harmed as they are being held by hamas. that is going to make this very difficult for them going forward. >> having been in gaza myself, there are civilians who are injured or kill, because it is so densely and its they say they are going to be sending military aid faster than normally, but also a aircraft carrier on the way to mediterranean, and can you give us a sense of how this is going to play a role in all of this? >> sure. this particular carrier strike group is a massive show of force
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here in the area, and talking about 5 thu to 6,000 u.s. military service members, and this particular aircraft carrier is the navy's latest, and most advanced aircraft carrier, and the "u.s.s. ford" and a destroyer squadron on efforts to beef up squadrons in the region. so recognizing that hamas needs to be resupplied if they continue the fight. this aircraft carrier is going to be there to interrupt supply lines, and also important that the carrier strike group can provide additional equipment, munitions, intelligence and other resources to the israelis. but the most important thing that you will get the deterrence. and as i said at the outset, the
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worst case scenario is that it is a larger regional conflict and when you have a carrier strike group, and firepower in this area, the best chance to have calmer heads prevail is to have a massive u.s. presence there. sos asaid, it is unlikely, but it is good that it is there, and hopefully to make some progress on the diplomatic side. >> shawn, thank you so much for going through that with us, and again, with relistening to the sounds of air strikes going off there in gaza. you are seeing the results of those. there is that sound again, and it is a terrifying terrifying sound, and you will see the destruction of the buildings, and these will usually take down entire high-rises and hundreds of thousands of people who live there in a densely populated aerd ya, and no -- area, but isl
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says it is going to strike hamas sites where they have been creating missiles or planning the attacks and one after another, we are seeing these happen over and over and over again this morning. as we heard from the israeli military, they are going to lay complete siege as they put it to gaza. and we are watching it happen. >> well over 100 targets, hamas targets inside of gaza as you are continuing to look at the pic pictures, but this is not the only place of activity, because we are getting word of helicopter activity near the lebanese border. and there was a statement telling the israeli civilians near that lebanon/israeli borders to stay in their homes. we go to hadas gold in jerusalem, and what are you hearing from the north, hadas? >> yes, a lot of concern over the situation in the north,
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because of course, if that is turning into another major front, and hezbollah is involved backed by iran, and that is going to push this conflict into another level. these helicopter battle was engaged with gunmen, and not sure if there were casualties on either side, but we know that the military also struck some sites around the border. but we are potentially getting the reports that the islamic jihad, the islamic palestine jihad is potentially taking responsibility for this. that is not confirmed, and that would give some sort of the way out of a potential direct confrontation with hezbollah, but keep in mind that essentially nothing happens in southern lebanon without
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hezbollah being aware or if not outright allowing it to happen there, and it gives them plausible deniability saying that it was not us. it will make israel's arsenal look like nothing. so this could open up another front. and they are also backed up by iran. so is there any sort of coordination or plan for hezbollah to get involved and we have heard from the prime minister saying that they don't want to get involved in this war, the lebanese prime minister, but they don't have any control over the hezbollah actions. >> and the lebanese don't have any control over that region from which the attacks over the border into israel would be happening, and obviously watching that region very, very closely. hadas, thank you very much. kate? >> sirens are breaking out in
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killed in the attack on israel. there are still unknown numbers of people who are missing. cnn's natasha bertrand is joining us now. natasha, what more can you tell us about the americans that are still missing or unaccounted for following the attacks as a lot of people are coming out saying, look, they believe they have been kidnapped or they cannot find them, and no information as to whether they might be. >> reporter: as you said, sara, so many are missing or killed at this point. the number of u.s. citizens killed is nine. but that number could rise, and that is what the u.s. officials are fearing at this point. and the point is because the was rayleigh and there are just over
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100 people who have been taken hostage by hamas there. and we should note they have one of the biggest ex-pat dual citizenships there. and this is what matthew millar told cnn this morning about this. >> i can confirm that nine americans unfortunately have lost their lives as a result of the horrific attacks in the region. we are in close contact with the government of real >> i can confirm that i can find missing military personnel, and missing civilian personnel. >> he has provided this as the united states is increasing strike carrier group and an
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dission avm asset and at this point no evacuation has been ordered of any u.s. citizens in the country. right now, the state department is urging all american citizens to be weary of the surroundings, and u.s. embassy personnel are currently given a curfew from 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m., and they are noing in loer sheltering in place. but they are keeping a close eye ton the >> and also tox keep people out of israel. i know several people and it is going to open and close depending upon rocket attacks coming to close there.
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nat natasha bertrand, thank you. and now, george mason is going to join us now arriving a few days ago from dallas. pastor, thank you for being with us, and tell me what you are hearing, and what is happening around you and what you are told by the u.s. officials about what you should and should not do. pastor? >> and first of all we left jerusalem after being restricted there for several day, and restricted to the hotel. the all right. yes, can you hear me? >> yes, please, go on. >> do we have a connection? right. okay. so, we were in a jerusalem hotel for several days, and restricted to the hotel and just in the immediate area around there.
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there were on the first day rocket booms and rockets going off and we had to shelter in the h hotel, and that quelled for a while, and the concentration of the war was taking place near gaza and surrounding villages. this morning we made the decision to leave jerusalem, and come north out of the range of the rockets, but before we could get out, we again heard that the rockets were coming into the iron dome that was destroying the rockets, and protecting jerus jerusalem. >> pastor, there is a long delay here, so i will only have one more question. what are the plans going forward and how do you intend to get out of this now war zone? >> we intend to cross over into jordan as soon as we can, and travel from jordan.
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unfortunately the tour actually was of course canceled because of the war, and it started the day we arrived, but we are somewhat conflicted, because our hearts are with the people here, and both the israelis and the palestinians who are suffering on both sides of this, and it is a horrific situation here, and our faith traditions teach us that violence not the answer, and that we are supposed to listen to the stories those who are our neighbors, and promote their wellbeing. being here as a compassionate presence is a gift that we did not intend, so we are somewhat conflijted about leaving now s, -- conflicted about leaving now, but it is the plan. >> unprecedented attack on people in their homes. pastor, good safe on getting home.
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kate? unprecedented attack, and hundreds kill, and now we know from the state department that nine are amongst the killed. joining us is the ceo of the anti-defamation league. thank you for coming in. untold americans killed, and mothers pleading for information about their families, and a father was on the phone with his daugt hter when they were shot, and his grandchild underneath as they tried to get him to safety. and three days in, and where is the head and heart, and you can't make sense of it, but how do you make sense of it now? >> my heart is broken. the stories that are just beginning to come out fill me
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with the anguish that i have never known before. so it starts with framing it correctly, and it says on the graphics, and you know, hamas attacks. these were not attacks. these were slaughters. gunning down teenagers, unarmed teenagers as they ran away by people who were dressed as medics who came to them. they thought they were getting help. that is slaughter. going in house-to-house and breaking ing in, and i will try keep it together. and shooting children in front ot of their parents. >> and i have seen video of a mother of a 3-month-old, and 9-month-old taken hostage. >> this a massacre, and it is a war, but it is not a war that israel started, and it is beyond frustrating to me to see the air
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waves filled with people trying to create some equivalency, and this network and other, is an escalation, and it was bound to happen, and butchering babies and raping women, and then parading them as they bleed from the crotch around gaza like trophies, and there is no world, and there is no universe, and there is no faith where that is acceptable. and so, my heart is breaking for any civilians who are killed. it is horrible that innocent palestinians will lose their lives. but i am mourning today and the world should be mourning for the grandmother who was burned alive in her home by these hamas. and please, i beg of you and i beg of john and sara and every
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anchor on this network, do not call them fighters or glorify them as militants, and call them what they are, murders, terrorists and barbarians, and if you is seen, and don't take my word for it, but beg of you, show the videos. >> and we have. >> and you are doing a good job, but you just, every time we have to put it in context for the world to understand that you are not a fighter if you kidnap babies. >> and even -- and this is not normal. this is not the tit-for-tat. >> it is not. >> it is something completely different. this was a, and just take the one example of the music festival. >> the music festival. >> a massacre of people, and nic robertson is on the ground there in re'im, and he said that when he walked into the shelters a one of the bomb shelters that we know, and he said that it is not something that he would even want the cameras to go in to
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see, because they know it is a place of safety and it is not a place of safety, and there no place of safety. >> thank you for showing the videos, and let them be seared on to conscious of the world. these are the image, children and teenagers and boys and girls and shot at point blank range, and women raped in front of their boyfriends and then killed. the stories i am hearing from the family and friends, and like it is as if it were a horror movie, but it is real life. it is real life. >> two thing, and it is hard to have. one is the what has already happen and the immediate, and there are hostages, and maybe more than 100 being held by hamas terrorists right now, and this is the horrific image from the music festival. >> i can't look at it. >> and there is the immediate of what needs be done now, and what will be done now, and we are
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seeing the bombardment of the idf into gaza as we are seeing throughout the show, and then a question, and maybe it is impossible to answer, but what comes after? >> well, it is a good question. so the question starts with how we got here, and the questions of the intelligence failure, and the military failure, and if i am honest with myself and other, it is a moral failure and not on the israelis, but us who thought that humanizing the zionists and the culture and the resistance to say that zionist is genocide, because if you think that the israelis are committing genocide, and they are not, then it is object okay to objectify and butcher their children and grandparents, and i say this because it is not defeating
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hamas, but it is eradicating a ideology that allows this. >> that allows this from hamas. >> and millions in gaza, and hundreds of thousands i am sure that hate hamas for the tyrannical regime, but in all honesty, israel and the world has no choice but it is time to draw a line in the sand like we did with isis and al qaeda, and like this, is not acceptable, and, i mean, this is the one ing this they would say. this is not a retaliation. they declared war on israel by murdering its children in cold blood and leaving israel no choice but to defend itself, and that is where we are. look at the adl, we fight anti-semitism. >> i would say what is your
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life's work, and association's work to call out hate and extremism online and i can only imagine what it looks like right now. >> the police presence in front of the preschools is what it looks like, and squad cars in front of the synagogues is what is happen, because after the sparks in the middle east, they light fires in america and in europe. i have talked to people all over the country over the weekend, and many are looking for missing family members, and for kidnapped relatives or others who are just dead. yet, they are also scared, because we know, and think about that, and we have done this together so many time, the anti-semiticism is already at a high, and the jewish community on alert looking at historic numbers of acts of vandalism and violence against the community, and now we are all concerned, but i will say one thing, we are concerned and alarmed, but we are resolved and resolute.
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these animals, and people who murder grandchildren, who shoot teenagers in the legs so they can't run away, they are animals. we in the jewish community, we will not be intimidated or daunted by this disgusting behavior. >> there has to be a bright line between terrorism, and anything else. >> and anything else. >> jonathan, thank you for coming in. john. >> and right to cnn anchor christiane amanpour, and i understand that you have just spoke to the sister of someone who is durantly being held hostage and what did she tell you? >> it is horrifying and dramatic story, and her name is alexandria, and her sister is corrinna, and her mom discovered after posts by hamas, and you
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can see the faces of three girls and we have blanked out the girls, but one of the girls with the bloodied faces is corinna and she is the sister of the girl i talked to. and so she says she is a nonmilitary soldier, and intelligence soldier in an all female base near the gaza strip, and near the ariz crossing and the terrorists came in 7:30 local time, and corinna and called family essentially to say good-bye and the last thing they have seen is this video. it is very, very disturbing. they don't know what has happened to her. they were told only by israeli military like idf some 24 hours later, and when i asked her if she knows with whether anybody is trying to negotiate for at least the hostages, and she says you won't like what i have to
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tell you but no. it is awful what i am telling you, but it is awful, and no negotiations currently going on or at least none that we are aware of. so they are appealing for the world the send the international red cross, humanitarian organizations who might at least be able to get a record of who has been taken. but you heard jonathan greenblat record some of the stories that we are seeing all over social media, and the rape of women, and the kidnap and murder of old people, and even holocaust survivors we are told, and even elderly people like that, and children who have been attack and indeed some children who have been removed from what they thought was the safety of their own homes and taken into gaza as hostages. this is clearly, you know, the worst day as israel calls it, the 9/11, the pearl harbor, and the worst single day of
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atrocities in the state. we are hearing from so many of the people on the ground of their firsthand experiences. >> christiane, she said that she had no knowledge whatsoever of negotiations taking place. how much contact is she even getting from the israeli government? you mentioned one conversation with the idf24 hours after, and is that it? >> apparently, yes, and this is another aspect of what is going on unfortunately, and apparently, very, very stretched. you have heard the stories, and you have heard the stories of volunteers in israel whether they are paramedics or search organization, or whether they are soldiers who were at home or the commanders at home when this happened, and getting into the cars and going to that area by the ariz crossing by the gaza border to do whatever they could, and there is a question as to how stretched or -- there are questions amongst the
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israelis as to why the full weight of the military and other formal institutions have not been able to get to them in the amount of time that was with required and that information will be coming out later, but what i am telling you is what they are telling us right now, and what is happening on the israeli social media as well. >> again, that word "stretched" it may be important and descdes descriptive here, because we just don't know how much israel has control over any parts of this situation. >> well, john, they are telling us certain update, but obviously not everything. they are telling us i assume what they know when they can tell us. it is not 100% clear yet whether the israeli idf defense forces have fully gotten control of the territory that has been
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infiltrated all of the villages and towns and kibbutzes, and they have cleansed and cleaned out and killed a number of the terrorists, but there may be some they say who may be still inside and this is going to pose another set of danger, because if they are individuals hiding, and have weapons with them, that is a whole other explosion waiting to happen when people are least expecting it. so, there is so much also that we don't know, and at the same time, the israeli defense minister has announced that the whole of gaza is under, you know, extreme and complete closure, and lockdown they say, and they are stopping, you know, the electricity, food, fuel, water as presumably they prepare for some kind of bigger operation, perhaps a ground operation to go in and do what the prime minister said they will do, which is to defeat
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hamas and win, but it will take a long time according to the prime minister, himself. >> and christiane, while we still have you, and again, looking at live pictures inside of gaza where there is continuous bombardment within the hundreds of targets of hamas, and we are getting word that the idf have said that helicopters are engaged in targeted strikes on what they say have actually infiltrated over the border from lebanon. >> yep. >> and talk about how dangerous for israel the potential threat from the north is, and particularly hezbollah. >> this is clearly what is being watched very, very closely. hezbollah already sent artillery strikes into israel, and israel responded. they are not as huge as israel experienced in previous years, and in the war i covered in 2006, which is a full-on war by hezbollah into israel and
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counter attacks and went on for a couple of weeks. this apparently, this is seeing whether it is a full-scale breach or infiltration or just probing or whether it is a stand up and be counted in what hezbollah and hamas are talking about, you know, their mission, but clearly, this is something that everybody is concerned about and not only trying to help those who have been wounded and identify all of the dead, but make sure it does not spiral into a wider regional war. >> israeli civilians living near the lebanese border have been told to stay inside of their homes for now. christiane amanpour, terrific to have you with us, and terrific work. keep us posted on what else you hear. sara? >> you have been looking at live pictures there of gaza as the smoke is continuing to rise after we have been watching air strike after air strike, and there is ground strikes
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throughout, and this is happening as we see rockets appearing to be coming from gaza, but also air strikes coming up from israel into gaza. they have been dropping bombs all morning long saying they are hitting 130-plus targets that are own and operated by hamas. we are also learning more about a meeting at the pentagon with the israeli defense attache to the united states as the u.s. sends a u.s. carrier to the region. we'll be right back.
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coming in. we are looking from moments ago, we're seeing these developments with air strikes continuing in gaza. at the same time, we're also learning that qatar is now -- is now in or has been in talks with hamas about the hostages that the terror group is holding inside gaza. qatar has strong ties to hamas, even blamed israel saturday morning, saying israel was, quote, unquote, solely responsible for what had happened. that was saturday morning, and we are here now. cnn's arlette seanz is at the white house. what are you learning about these talks? has the administration been in
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touch with qatar? >> reporter: u.s. officials at the white house and state department have been engaged with qatar as they are playing this role of holding the talks with hamas amid the fact that they are holding several multiple hostages since this conflict began. now, there's officials here at the white house and the state department, including secretary of state blinken, who have been in touch with counterparts as the talks are ongoing. the issue of the hostages is of deep concern to the white house, not just on the larger scale, but also when you think about the fact that there are potentially americans who are being held hostage as well. the white house and state department have yet to pinpoint or offer an estimate of how many americans could be held hostage by hamas, but the white house is acknowledging that as of this morning, at least nine u.s. citizens have been killed since this conflict began on saturday. the white house expressing their condolences and the state department saying they've been
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in contact with the families and are offering consular services to them as well. this comes as the president, all the way down to the defense department and state department, they are in deep contact with their israeli counterparts since saturday. the president has spoken twice to prime minister netanyahu to offer support, he told him there would be additional assistance coming soon. this morning, israel's defense attache was seen at the pentagon where sources have told colleagues that he met with members of the joints chiefs of staff. so these are all discussions that the white house and officials in the u.s. are having as they're trying to find out what kind of assistance specifically israel needs going forward. >> arlette saenz at the white house, thank you so much. just noting again, we are looking at live pictures, showing plumes of smoke, another air strike. there have been dozens of them
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throughout this morning alone. never mind those that have been going on for the past 48 hours. joining me, political analyst and fellow at the century foundation, she's done extensive research and consulted on issues surrounding the israel/palestinian conflict. thank you for being here. i want to start with this. we have heard from israel they are going to do, as they called it, a total siege of gaza. they are already doing the air strikes all day, and that is the sound of another one happening right now, two, three, happening in a row there in gaza. we understand, we have seen tanks headed toward the border. does this mean that israel is going to have to reoccupy, is that what this means ultimately, gaza? >> i think this is, in a way, an extreme continuation of the policy that israel has had in place for many years. this is israel reverting to what
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happens when there are the usual kinds of escalations that have been going on for many years, mainly since 2009, but, remember, gaza has been under closure, blockade, since 2007. every time as a round of fighting, israel botmbards and sometimes there's a ground incursion and policymakers raise this dilemma about what to do is israel wants to control hamas. apparently no israeli government wants to occupy gaza, or they would have done it. this is the same dilemma in the absolute extreme because the hard-liners in government and in the public, are calling for complete devastation of gaza, the defense minister has said it would be a complete shutdown, no water, food, fuel, no electricity. there has been 80% electricity cut. those are the policies that have been in place this whole time, and frankly, it's an enormous question israel is going to have to ask itself, if not a failure
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of intelligence and security policy, that this terror attack happened. i don't need to reiterate, this is the biggest terror attack in israel, ever, it is slaughter, and the israeli government might be planning for a ground attack. i have doubts that the israeli government still has any plan to reoccupy gaza, because there's no future in which israel can continue to reoccupy gaza in any serious way. and so it's the continuation of the same cycle we've seen for years. >> before this terrorist attack, israel was in a huge political uproar, including reservists saying they were not going to take part -- they were out in the streets over the breakdown, as they thought, of democracy in israel. in the meantime, you have this attack. how does this attack change things, and do you think that because there has been so much turmoil politically in israel, with several differently governments coming up and being brought down, that they may have
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missed what was about to happen, that the intelligence failures may have anything to do with that? >> yeah, i mean, this is certainly an accusation that is being made, it is something that many citizens feel, and you're absolutely right to spotlight the very divisive protests that have been going on all year. what we did see was there's no division of opinion over this, the nature of this attack. at the immediate level, this is a terror attack against israeli civilians, and therefore everybody, including people at the protest, anybody who was called up, no matter what they feel about the government, went immediately and israelis are rallying to help with the wounded and the trauma. so in the immediate sense, is r they're united with how to cope with the devastation right now, but already we see divisions surfacing. part of the public is saying that what we see the government doing, that we need to simply be
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more hard line, crush gaza, crush hamas, never mind the con questions. and a good portion of israeli society are saying this is happening, in part, because of exactly what you just said, the government has been single-mindedly focused, even obsessive about its attempts to undermine the judiciary over the course of the whole year, given that that sparked an enormous social protest, the government became focused on the protest and has been neglecting numerous areas of governance, and many people are jumping to the conclusion that they have also been neglecting in a very severe way, with severe consequences, security and intelligence. this intelligence failure probably goes beyond, to be honest, because it is such a colossal failure. >> you are looking at live pictures, we have seen two, if not three air strikes that have landed in gaza ask from the israeli military and we are watching the results with all of
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the smoke. you're also seeing the electricity has basically gone out in most of the city. >> again, one of the things you were just discussing is the news that we got in a little while ago that the government of qatar is now involved in some kind of discussions with hamas over the position of these hostages, well over 100 hostages. arlette saenz at the white house saying the white house was monitoring that. the whi they are a supporter of hamas and supported the thrust of this attack over the weekend. we'll have to wait and see where those discussions go. we're going to continue to watch, as the sun has set now, you can see fires blazing in gaza. we saw at the beginning of this show very tenuous situation still in israel, with clarissa ward and her team having to hit the deck as rockets were being
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