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hello everyone. breaking news that we are watching, well we are watching breaking news on many fronts including a mass evacuation being ordered. israel just hours ago ordered more than 1 million people to get out of northern gaza and begin heading south, to move south to avoid what is coming. hamas though has responded to this, this order from the idf, hamas' response telling civilians to stay in place. >> it is not clear how much time idf is giving people to leave this region up near, this
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wetland right here. you are talking about the area with a population density of about 25,000 people per square mile. that's the dividing line. it's the most densely populated area that israel is calling on people to leave from. many of the people have no means to get out and nowhere to go. right now, we want to get to nick robertson who is in an israeli town a mile, two miles with the border of gaza. why don't you tell us what you are hearing. >> reporter: we have been seeing and hearing air strikes and artillery strikes on gaza behind us. i have to say the past 12 hours at least through the night last night were some of the heaviest bombardment we have heard in the northern end of gaza. behind me that's the sort of tip of the northern end of gaza. i am hearing more detonations.
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israeli say so far they have fired 6,000 air launch missiles in gaza. when you take the numbers from the last confrontation with hamas, a 50 day war, this 6,000 figure in six days is already more missiles than idf fired on gaza or tarts in gaza in that confrontation. that gives you an idea of the magnitude of strikes. the reason they've asked them to move south is humanitarian reasons. they know they're under scrutiny, pressure about climbing palestinian death toll, over 1500 already. they say they want the civilians to get out of the way. hamas is telling civilians to stay in place. they're saying this is psychological warfare by israelis. they're trying to evict you from your homes. the only way we'll go hamas
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says is to our homeland. the scene is set. hamas is telling civilians don't move. israel is telling them to move because this is a humanitarian gesture to potentially spare civilian casualties. when there are civilian casualties is hamas to blame? in gaza, hamas controls transportation. most people don't have a way of moving south other than on foot. we have seen images of people on foot. hamas would have to provide transportation, buses, trucks, that sort of thing which are in short supply in gaza. from our vantage point today, it sounds as if that area in northern gaza continues to be hit. israel telling civilians move somewhere safer. hamas says don't move. >> this is gaza. this is the dividing line, israel asking people to move
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south of there, nick hearing some of the loudest most constant bombardment of northern gaza that he has seen. stay safe and keep us posted as to what you are seeing and hearing. these are live pictures of huge protests being held against the strikes on gaza. this is a scene in yemen this hour. this is also as united states is showing once again its iron clad support of israel to defend itself now. what's the latest? >> reporter: there is no doubt the events of this past week have put palestinian issue front and center in minds of not only decision makers in the region but also the general public. today we have seen mass protests across this region in support
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of gaza. of course in iran's capitol. a lot heeding calls of getting in the streets and showing anger of what they perceive to be israeli crimes committed against palestinians. these would be sponsored and supported by regime and come after friday prayers. the point is to show there is public backing for the regime's support for groups like hamas and hezbollah it calls collective resistance. those protests in iran and even iraq where calling his supporters out ought to be expected quite frankly. then we have seen protests in places like jordan where masses have taken to the streets to protest against the siege of gaza and what many fear is this impending ground incursion and
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subsequent humanitarian catastrophe that may unfold as israeli troops battle hamas militants street by street. that's what makes this situation so important in the region. a lot of people here galvanize by what they are seeing and worried about what's to come. they are clearly getting out and getting their voices heard. that's the situation there. i am in jerusalem. let me close out with this. we have been in east jerusalem today, very few people on the streets and very few people at the mosque today. you would normally see the courtyard outside of the mosque full of those midday prayers. it was very empty. we spoke to people who say it
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is clear, who they let in is women over 50 and men over 60. in east jerusalem, people were coming back. there were some scuffles, i have to say. i have covered the violence in east jerusalem in the past and i have to say it was something like that. i have to say it was an uneasy sense of calm to be honest in east jerusalem today. as you see, there are definitely people heeding that's calls to voice their protests against what is going on in gaza. it really remains to be seen what happens next in the hours to come at this point. back to you guys. >> thank you so much. we will stick close as we are watching the protests play out and things continue to develop exactly where you are. thank you. i have a map of the middle east up here, almost all of it. why? u.s. secretary of state blinken is in qatar and he will meet
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are officials there. he has close ties to hamas and is seen as having influence over the group. the hope is he can work towards freeing the 100 plus hostages in gaza. let me give you a sense of the travels of blinken. he began the day in jordan where he met with king of jordan. he also met with the palestinian leader. then he went to qatar. then he will go to bahrain and ultimately saudi arabia. let's get a sense of what the secretary of state is hoping to get out of this. >> he is really trying to put pressure on the states to in turn pressure hamas to release the hostages in captivity in gaza. that is one of the main messages of course he was delivering to qatar which has close ties to
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hamas and which has emerged as a key intermediary to organize some kind of prisoner swap we are told between israelis and palestinians. we are told qatar has been mediating specifically to exchange women and children in gaza in exchange for palestinian women and children being held in jails. again all of this is really going to depend a lot on the condition of the hostages, whether hamas is willing to engage in this kind of prisoner swap. so far we have not seen signs that they're willing to do that. but this is a diplomatic chore aimed at putting pressure on regional states who may have some leverage over hamas to try to get them to release the prisoners. blinken has been going across
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the region. after saudi arabia, you will go to the uae and egypt. this is intensive shuttle diplomacy because all u.s. officials recognize that time is of the essence. idf and israelis have indicated they want civilians to get out of gaza potentially in advance of some ground operation by israelis into gaza. so the worry of course is that the hostages and captives there could be caught in the cross fire. time is really important and really of the essence, secretary blinken pulling out all the stops to use their leverage and influence. >> a remarkable trip ultimately to the uae and egypt. keep us posted. we likely will hear from the secretary of state in the comes hour. thanks. >> we will bring that when he does speak of course. with us now is former u.s.
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ambassador to israel and egypt. thank you so much. you have secretary of defense and secretary of state in tandem in israel. they just detailed also the travels of tony blinken now. lloyd austin could not have been more clear today in the support for israel. what do you make of this show of force? >> you have three messages being under taken simultaneously by u.s. officials. number one, the president's message the other day that there is no distance between us and israel. we have their back. that will be reinforced in almost anything the administration says. number two, secretary of state as your reporters have indicated, is out there trying to avert humanitarian crisis by starting a deescalation of the conflict, seeing whether or not humanitarian distress can be
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relieved. and the secretary of defense correspond naturing with israel on what we might do militarily to deter hezbollah and iran from further escalating this conflict. it's a complicated set of policy activities. but it's good to see that there is this activity on the three different fronts. >> let's go through a little bit of these three fronts if you will. what do you do? it's more than complicated to try to figure out and get right. but what do you do about a humanitarian crisis that's unfolding. gaza civilians cut off from resources, hospitals overwhelmed, being asked to evacuate to the southern part of gaza. how do you get this right? what needs to happen right away? >> i think there are two ways to approach it. one is through this deescalation idea. can some kind of a hostage release, prisoner release deal
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be arranged quickly that gives pause to the military engagement? that doesn't solve humanitarian issue but may delay what looks like inevitable israeli ground operation. number two, there are two question marks on the humanitarian side. is there such a thing as humanitarian corridor for example into egypt under un auspices for temporary relocation of people in gaza and number two would be some pressure on the part of qatar, turkey, egypt on hamas to stop using human shields and to essentially come and fight. israel's concern with respect to ground operation is the hostages and civilians are in the way. and that's being used as an asset by hamas. none of these frankly is easy and none of them may work which
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suggests that we are going to face a significant humanitarian crisis. >> when israeli leaders say they're going it wipe hamas off the face of the earth, what is this going to look like? >> first, i don't think it will be possible to do that. hamas is a movement. it's not a card carrying, uniform wearing organization. what the israelis i think are looking at is the decapitation of the leadership and that's what they've tried to do in the past. i think their bombing activities now and into days ahead will be designed to locate hamas leaders and see if they can't kill them at that point. a ground operation, should it occur, would be further evidence that that's what the objective is. kill, capture as many of the leaders and operatives of hamas
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as possible. but to wipe hamas off the face of the earth, i don't think that's do-able. >> how great is the risk do you think of this spilling over? talking about kind of the third front here, of this spilling over to be a larger regional conflict. >> i think the risk of escalation is terrifically high. you have west bank in east jerusalem, i heard becky anderson indicate that it is quiet. but we have seen problems on the west bank. huge problem on the northern border. reservists are split between northern border and gaza area because of threat of hezbollah which is a more formidable terror organization than hamas and the big threat involving iran. any can be triggered by calculation and miscalculation. therefore the threat is very high. >> ambassador, thank you so
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much for coming on. israel defense forces dropping pamphlets over gaza telling people to move south. 1 million people here, they want to move over the marshland right there, evacuation. hamas says don't go. we will speak to a spokesman from the idf to get a sense of how they think this is supposed to happen. stay with us.
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this morning israeli military dropped leaflets over northeastern gaza telling more than a million people to move south now. hamas is telling people not to leave. i can show you what the leaflets look like. this is a close up of the leaflets telling people to evacuate south. i can show you exactly where they're told to go. this is northern gaza, more than a million people leave, the most densely populated area. people are being told to leave.
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with us from israel defense forces, thank you so much for being with us. can you clear something up? how long do people of northern gaza have to leave? >> i think what is more important to ask is when should they leave? i would say they need to leave immediately. we are taking our activities to a different level of striking hamas' capabilities. we are determined in beating hamas and destroying infrastructure, infrastructure they use to plan, coordinate, fund, strike in the heart of israel's soft under belly, people of israel where they butchered us in their bedrooms and their living rooms. so we are warning the people of gaza that they need to evacuate the area. i would say now. they need to do it as quick as possible because we want to deal with hamas. >> the united nations said you
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gave people 24 hour deadline. eu is saying that is totally unrealistic. a million people can't move from here to here in less than 24 hours. what's your response? >> i am happy to see that some reports are showing people are listening to our warning despite hamas telling them to sacrifice themselves and not evacuate. actually when hamas tells people not to evacuate, it goes to show what we have been saying. hamas has no regard for human life israeli or palestinian. if they had regard for human life, they would be evacuating people to the south as we suggested. but they don't care. so we are telling people if you care for your life, don't wait for hamas. take your things, take your family, move south. israel is fighting hamas. you are not our enemy. hamas is our enemy. therefore we are operating in order to remove this threat once and for all from israel.
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>> again, this is the dividing line between where you are telling people to go in the north that includes gaza city, most populous in gaza, what do you think gaza city will look like after this operation? >> i will tell you just one example of something we have shared with cnn over the last 24 hours. hamas positioned their strike drones on the roofs of houses. they don't care who lives in the houses. they put them specifically on the houses. we took out the strike drones. this is what we are facing. so the reality of where hamas has effectively made gaza, gaza strip, specifically north of gaza and gaza city a fortified position under the houses of people. we are telling people we want you to move so we can deal with this threat. they cannot be permitted to govern the gaza strip as a staging ground for brutal
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massacres against israel. we won't permit it. >> when you say go, go where? as you know, the crossing into egypt in the south is closed as well. you are just telling people to basically fold the country in half? >> we have instructed them to move south so we can defend our people. you can't expect us not to defend our people because hamas is hiding behind them. >> we want to ask about what could be the repercussions. hezbollah obviously operates in southern. in the past they've drawn a line saying if israeli ground forces move hezbollah will strike at
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israel. what's your concern there? >> the idea over the last seven days now has recruited some 300,000 reservists in order to be prepared for all of our fronts, west bank, gaza strip, and of course border with lebanon and the front with hezbollah. the situation is as such. i would advise hezbollah to watch very closely what we are doing now to hamas. it would be a grave mistake on their behalf if they decide to attack israel. we are prepared. we have all the forces necessary. we have a competent force, ground forces, naval forces all poised and prepared at a very high level of alert in order to confront hezbollah if need be. >> i want to ask, one of the things hezbollah claimed is some 13 of the hostages died in air strikes. do you have any confirmation of that? do you have any proof of life at this point of the some 100 plus
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people missing and may be in gaza now? >> no, we don't. not that i am aware of. i would say that hamas is responsible for well being of all the people they abducted to the gaza strip. we expect them to release the people to their homes in israel immediately. they are going to pay the price for the abduction and for their actions and hostilities and the atrocities that they've conducted against the people of israel. hamas, they are seriously broken the paradigm that was in existence up until last saturday on the jewish holiday. once they broke that paradigm, we are making a new paradigm, one where israelis can live in peace and people of gaza can live in peace and where a terrorist organization doesn't have this sword of death and
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destruction that they used and utilized against our people on saturday. >> we appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. the united states is now tens day of a speaker less house of representatives. steve scalise has dropped out of consideration for the hugely important post with regard to everything we were talking about in israel. republicans are now going deeper, further into unchartered waters. deepening crisis on capitol hill. we will take you there next.
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house republicans do not know where they are headed
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next. next hour, they do know physically where they will need to be, meeting behind closed doors again in search of a speaker of the house. house majority leader steve scalise won the nomination but dropped out last night when it became clear he could not get the 217 votes needed. >> i just shared with my colleagues that i am withdrawing my name as candidate for speaker designee. if you look where our conference is, there is still work to be done. our conference still has to come together and it is not there. there are still people that have their own agendas. i was clear, we have to have everybody put their agendas on the side and focus on what this country needs. this country is counting on us to come back together. >> it is not clear how they do that. this all leaves the house without a speaker still ten days
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after kevin mccarthy was pushed out. lauren fox is back on the hill joining us. what is likely to happen today? >> reporter: lawmakers will meet at 10:00 a.m. to have a conversation about whether or not they need to change their rules for how they elect a speaker. one of the reasons is there is concern that no one can get 217 on the floor and that going round after round in a messy battle would just not be effective. they are going behind closed doors to debate once again whether or not they should increase threshold of how many votes you need to get in a secret ballot before you move on to the floor vote. so that is expected to go on for several hours this morning. after that, we are going to be watching to see whether or not jim jordan lake dab reemerges as a candidate in the race for speaker. there are already a number of members who made clear they will not vote for jim jordan.
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you heard yesterday from representative don bacon from nebraska who said he doesn't want to reward bad behavior. there were jordan hold outs who would not vote for steve scalise. there is this feeling jordan already lost behind closed doors and he should not get to run and win this time around. another question is even if jordan got in, would he secure the votes? if he can't, who is next in line? how long is this process going on go on? you have heard from members who argue patrick mchenry's powers should be expanded just given the fact that there is work to be din not the least of whiff is giving israel more aid that they need. >> let's see what happens in the coming hour. joining us is former republican congressman fred up ton from michigan. how much do you miss being part of the republican congress on
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capitol hill right now? >> let me say my wife and grand kids are so excited that i am here rather than back in dc witnessing this and missing the fun that they're having here in michigan. it's a mess back there. there is no question about that. it sure appears to me it's going to go to next week. i have heard reports that a number have left for districts even as far as california. even if republicans can coalesce behind one person that can get 217 votes, this he don't have that many people there which means it's next week. >> you are the outside right now. how does this appear to the world? >> it's a mess. it really is a mess. as i talk to people at home,
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it's like a pox on both houses. i am involved to a degree with no labels, a unity ticket. we need bipartisanship in dc to try and get things done. not only do we have israel, we've got ukraine as well as cr that expires literal will ly a month from now. no action has been taken. ten days without a speaker, you can't begin talks, don't know where the goal posts will be trying to get something through the house, get 60 votes in the senate and something that the president can sign. so a lot of particularly federal employees, i talked to an air traffic controller yesterday. they're worried. they remember the last shut down we had where essential folks, obviously air traffic control is essential, they work without pay. last time it was six, seven weeks before it got done. there is a lot of uncertainty. that will only build closer to
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november 17 without anyone that's got reigns to try and lead the charge. >> kevin mccarthy was booted with basically seven or eight votes, 4% of republican conference. steve scalise was blocked with slightly more but still a minority. he won majority of the votes in the republican conference. what happens if you have this tyranny of the minority running the show for republicans in the house? >> that's the dilemma. the republicans may change the rules today within caucus as to who goes forward. the constitution still requires up to have a majority in the house which is why we've got two vacancies which is why 217 you have to have to become speaker, if all those folks vote. that's why jim jordan i think will put his name forward today
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or tomorrow. he is not going to get 217. as lauren fox said you may see somebody with major respect, patrick mchenry, without a lot of authority, maybe they can give him authority and let him be the speaker for 60 to 90 days. >> if jordan somehow does win, does that reward this type of activity inside the conference? >> it does. i think the majority with 99 votes a couple days ago to steve scalise's 113, think he might get a majority but he can't get majority on the floor. he can't get to 217 which means you have to look to plan b or
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c. meantime the clock ticks. ten days with no speaker. >> meanwhile, enjoy your grandchildren. we appreciate you being with us from michigan. >> never enjoyed them more on so many levels. we have some live pictures we believe are coming in. these are from the air base in israel. defense secretary lloyd austin is arriving there. what we are hearing from the pool of reporters traveling along with secretary austin, you see the shot is getting fixed and set up, what we believe you are looking at is austin is there to observe a u.s. aircraft. this was moments ago. u.s. aircraft, a c17 that's arrived carrying munitions from united states for israel. that is part of this show of force and show of support.
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as secretary austin said in his remarks earlier, u.s. support for israel is iron clad. you can hear that in their words. this is the physical manifestation of that as you are seeing them walking towards what will be, this was moments ago, we could be hearing from secretary austin as well as minister of defense afterwards. as we are seeing this is part of the show of force. the air base is where the support has been flown in. i believe this is where we saw the cargo unloaded earlier this year. these are live pictures of secretary austin now. this is where the munitions are being unloaded. it's about 40 miles east of gaza, just south of the west bank. we will continue watching this, and we will also be bringing more as we see it. you see there is a lot of
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moving parts in the show of force from the united states in the support of israel. secretary austin, is he about to speak to cameras? let's listen in. >> it's going to be a little bit before i wanted to say thanks to the guys for doing the work.
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>> he is trying to figure out if the secretary will be speaking to reporters. sounds likely. look at that. that's a c17 right there. >> you can fit a lot of stuff in there. that's what is being delivered right now. what you are seeing is aaron burnet standing by near gaza inside israel on the border. give us a sense of where you are and what you are seeing. >> reporter: i will tell you what you are seeing. we are near a staging area, tank battalion that went in saturday morning along the gaza border after the hamas attack. some of the tanks will be driving by. i will probably get covered in this. so just bear with me.
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it's going to be really loud. there is probably going to be another one. i don't know how long you will want to take this. this tank battalion had been in there, israeli tanks, another one, all these guys are restaging and getting ready to go in. we have seen today along border check points a much higher state of readiness than we have observed. i will move back from this one just a little bit. it gives you a sense the terrain here. i will tell you we are a few miles from the gaza border. we have been along this border watching the state of readiness that you obviously can see. we are ten or so miles from the egyptian border. we have been up and down the gaza border and seen the mix. full troops like this tank
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battalion and reservists. helmets on, bullet proof vests on, they are ready to go. i had a chance to speak with one member of the idf. he had been part of collecting bodies a few miles from where we are. i pause as i say it. i know we have seen these images. he was talking about how all the houses had safe rooms in the bottom. you heard about how people would take shelter. he said when hamas could not get in, they would light the houses on fire. so what they found was a lot of skeletons. when people realized the houses were on fire they tried to run out of the safe run and died in the fire. they're finding skeletons. a lot of houses are collapsed. he talked about charred bodies, children. in rooms still intact,
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describing the gore and horror he saw, covered in blood, and still speech less. he said they're ready to go. you can see intensity and sort of a rage and anger but a level of readiness today that we have not seen in the past days as we hear the steady drum beat of artillery around us going into gaza and we can hear moments later those impacts. i don't know if you heard that but you hear an impact a few seconds later. back to you. >> we did hear that. if you stay longer, i can show people on the map where gaza is. this is egypt, without revealing exactly where she is, in this area right here, not far from gaza, not far from egypt in the southern gaza region down here. it's north gaza where people are being told to evacuate from right now. is there a sense that the israeli forces are moving toward what could be a ground
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offensive in the north? >> well they are ready and staging. i think that's the best we can describe it. you just saw of the tanks. they have been involved since saturday. they went in around 3:00. the terror attacks started around 6:00, 6:30. they were amongst the first forces to go in. when you look at a map, sorry my phone is covered in sand and dirt, when you look at maps of obviously out going israeli artillery but you see red zones with a lot of activity. a lot of that is down here. then further north, around that area, it is very active around that southern area of gaza. but the entire area is completely militarized. when you think about small spaces we are talking about,
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nearly 400,000 reservists called, you will use all that. they have essentially created a buffer zone. over the ridge where we are, the tank battle january, where you were seeing the soldiers, where they came from, there is a check point and all along the border. one other point i would say is they are dealing with what they say are active terrorist incursions. one idf soldier was telling me when they go in, they found a house yesterday that was locked. they thought that was strange. they called israeli special forces and they told me there was a hamas militant holed up inside there still. threw a grenade. three members of the special forces were injured. again this is what i am told by the forces. they were able to kill the terrorist. they believe there are active
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terrorists still inside in this buffer zone over the ridge i am describing to you. >> that is interesting. i have a map of the border fence which spans the entire border between gaza and israel. what you are saying is there may have been people part of the hamas operation that stayed. does idf think there are still people crossing back and forth? nick robertson witnessed what appeared to be some kind of finite on monday. but it's a few days since thing. >> yes. so the short answer is i am not sure. but i will tell you what they tell us. what they tell us is they think there are some militants still there, the militant they found yesterday in the house that was locked. so they think there is some of that. there are question marks about whether there are tunnels that could have militants coming through. that i can't confirm. they do talk about the potential of that. all of that is going on in that buffer zone militarized area
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where israeli troops are gathering. >> finally, and i will let you go because i know it can't be easy to move around where you are, you talk about this area being inside israel, militarized zone, to what extent are there israelis trying to go on with their daily lives in that area? >> reporter: that's a good question. i can tell you from one man who lives in one which was so heinously attacked. he has been going in every day through the check pointed. he is able to because he is a resident. many of his neighbors are dead. this is where i was telling you idf soldiers were talking about blood, safe rooms, skeletons. this is his home. these are his neighbors. they're dead, about a third of them. he goes to deal with the irrigation, to try to keep the basics going. for him it's a matter of
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identity and life and death. he comes out at night. he cannot stay there. it's not safe. they let him in during the day most of time he goes in, and they let him in and deals with the irrigation and deals with the things that keeps the kibbutz going, and that is anecdotal experience and obviously those towns are uninhabitable now, and we have spoken to people from that kibbutz and they are staying in other places whether it is tel aviv or other places. >> as we have been talking about and you are going up and down other places like gaza, and does it feel like a different posture, and how do you describe how it feels, if it does, from what you are seeing from the idf forces from yesterday even?
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>> from what our team has seen and i will describe the artillery drum beetat as steady but it is feeling like a higher state of readiness and more today than yesterday. and kate, at the border crossings, they are helmets on, alert, and all ppe, personal protective equipment on, and all that and ready, but it is a slightly elevated sense of readiness and sense of palpable anticipation, and when you are talking to some of them individually, and tight-lipped rage and this is not going to happen to us, and accepted, and they are willing to say that and ready to go and we would describe it that way, and yes, it is a higher state of readiness and unclear what that means and unclear whether something is happening imminently or that, but there is a shift as far as we have experienced it. >> all right.
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erin burnett, we are loathe to let you go, because it is so great to have you and you are giving us such great information and unique view, but promise if you see anything, and you get the shot back up, you come back up with us right away. >> i do. i do. we will see you all soon. >> thank you, erin. stay safe and to give people again a sense of where erin is. this is gaza, and the border with egypt, and israel is right here, and erin is right here in this area right here from egypt and not far from gaza and watching the tanks go by, and covering erin in dust there, and sort of a remarkable moment. all right. with us now, military analyst, colonel peter mansour. and colonel, i hope that you were paying attention to what erin was saying is and seeing there as the tanks were going by, and what do you think is happening based on your knowledge? >> well, the israeli troops are
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obviously preparing for an assault on gaza and that means they have to move the equipment to the right staging areas, and disseminate the orders and get the right assault equipment there which is going to be beginning here in a matter of days. >> again, this is the pamphlet that was dropped over gaza by the idf, and telling the people in northern gaza to evacuate south. and this is the marshland here, and some 1 million people being told to move south. and what is that message telling you, and we will tell you whether or not it is feezable in a second, but the idea of dropping those pamphlets. >> they have telegraphed the hand that they are going to be ik taing over the northern half of gaza, the strip, and they want to have the civilians a out of the area, because
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noncombatant losses would inflame world opinion against israel, but moving 1.1 people out of the yaer area is going happen, because hamas does not want to see it happen, and they want to see civilians killed by israelis, and none of them have the capability to go even if they have the capability to move. >> and we are talking about the densely populated area here of gaza, the most densely populated place here, and 25 people per square mile which is three times the density of los angeles. what would ground fighting in this area look like, colonel. >> well, we have a couple of examples, and one would be the battle of fallujah in 2004, and of course, if you remember the battle of fallujah, the u.s. troops surrounded fallujah and
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forced the civilians to evacuate, and so it was a cleaner battlefield, if you will. the second and more likely example is mosul is 2017 or -- eiraqa, and that is a more likely possibility going forward. the israelis will attempt to stay within the rules of war and try to limit the noncombatant losses, but it is simply not possible given the terrain and the tactical problem facing them. >> colonel peter mansoor, thank you for sticking around and explaining this. kate? >> we will have more from the gaza border and israel, and we
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have been watching tony blinken and also, the secretary of defense lloyd austin arriving there, and what is going to be happening with this call for evacuation for the people of gaza, and we will take you back there next.
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all right. over the last few hours the israel defense forces dropping leaflets telling more than 1 million people in gaza to evacuate south to the southern part of gaza, and the
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spokesperson for the idf said that people need to flee as quickly as possible so that the israeli military in their words can deal with hamas. >> and hamas in their response has said to remain in place and stay steadfast is how one spokesperson has called it, and infusing more confusion into the crisis, and even more for the words that hamas is now that they are saying that men and women and children are starting to move to the south, and even walking south and carrying with them what they k and a huge question is where will they go. >> we go to becky anderson who is with us now, and becky is in jeru jerusalem, and becky, what are you hearing this morning and from the israeli military,

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