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d shop your favorite brands sporting the kick off the savings monopoly tag for unlimited bonus game tickets at lucky! >> this is cnn breaking welcome to our viewers in the united states. i am michael holmes with cnn's continuing breaking news coverage of israel and palestine at. it has been a day since israel
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issued the ultimatum to evacuate northern gaza immediately, wanting that increases your israeli military activity against hamas could be imminent. tens of thousands of palestinians have been seen leaving their homes in gaza city, throughout friday, carrying what they could but most are deciding either not to evacuate or simply do not have the means to do so. most say they have no safe to go either, and on top of that, hamas told them to stay in their homes. that with so many people suddenly streaming into southern gaza, the only place to actually leave gaza is the border crossing into egypt. egypt says they have not closed it on their side, but the status is unclear due to israeli airstrikes on the gaza side. israeli military says they carried out a limited rating to gaza on friday, primarily to seek out intelligence they said, on the estimated 150 hostages in gaza.
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an unknown number of the hostages are americans, and come on friday, joe bryden spoke with their families by video call. saying in his words, the united states is working like heck to get loved ones home. a u.s. carrier group to the region, and the pentagon has called up a marine unit -- excuse me -- in case they closer to israel. one hour ago, i spoke with a spokesperson about that morning to civilians in gaza and asked them if it is feasible to expect so many people to move when they do not have a place to go to. >> i think it is feasible. and, i think it can, and i think it should be done. anybody who wants to prioritize their safety, they should heat our warnings, and go south of the gaza river. i completely understand that it is far from an ideal situation, but this is the situation that we find ourselves in, and we
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are doing our absolute best in order to minimize the civilian casualties. that's why we are calling on them to lead out of a concern for their safety. >> israel has cut off food, water, new jersey, and fuel for gaza. will it allowed aid for those who do go south, and, financials without anything? >> well, the problem with the gaza strip since 2007, is that is governed by a crazy fundamentalist organization called hamas, which uses -- >> israel controls everything that goes in or out. will you allowed aid for those who make it to the south and have nothing? >> i was about to answer. the problem is come aid that goes in intended for civilians is taken by the hamas. water pipes are turned into rockets. cement meant for buildings is turned into tunnels. food for orphans and people in
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need is given to hamas operatives. and fuel for the hospitals is taken to hamas conquerors. so, we are in a state of war. in a state of war, i do not think it could be very expected or demanded of us to provide sustenance and the combat capabilities to our enemies. >> you will not allow them to take materials, intense, even for people to say? there is not the room for 1 million people in southern gaza. >> i think that there is room. but, let's not go into it. and by the way, i'm not saying that we are categorically not going to. i am saying that at this stage, what we are focused on is on our combat operations. and again, let me please remind everybody how this started. this is a bit missing from the coverage of the last day. this all started with a war that was forced upon us, not our initiative, and we did not start by killing 1300 civilians and soldiers and wounding 3000.
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they did that! hamas bears responsibility for the situation. that is to absent from the discussion here. hamas is a sovereign in gaza. hamas has made the decisions here, they launched the attack against us, now we are responding with slits force against their atrocities and we are doing our best to execute our past without killing civilians. >> cnn is covering this for us from london, and good to see you. now, this is the israeli warning to leave gaza city. it came friday morning, even though so many people would not have the means to do so. where do evacuations stand right now? >> well, michael, we are talking about a population in northern gaza of about more than 1 million people. as you mentioned, this literally happened friday morning. so far, according to the humanitarian office, we've seen tens of thousands of people,
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now, fleeing and evacuating to the south, as ordered in that warning by the israel defense forces on friday. but this comes in addition to more than 400,000 customers and civilians in gaza, already displaced by the airstrikes since they began one week ago. we are talking about as you know, the area that is very small, densely populated, an area that has been under a land sea and air blockade and continues to be since 2007. so, when you think of the sheer scale, the number of people now that are being told to evacuate, some of them, of course, unable to physically do so, when you think about the number of hospitals in the north of gaza. this is as the u.n. has termed it, "impossible". we've heard from the doctors. they said yesterday one of the hospitals was given two hours notice to evacuate. the doctors stayed behind, in order to given treatment to patients. this is very dire.
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referred condemnation from across the border, and, across the relief coordinators. they said that the noose around the civilian population of gaza is being tightened, and we hear from the regent refugee council addressing this issue specifically. this could be time to a war crime. and, when we hear from the palestinians inside gaza, they are being told to move southwards. many fear that this displacement is that they are experiencing could lead to long- term displacement. many fear they will not be able to return home. as we know, these airstrikes have continued throughout the last week. they have continued as a civilians i have tried to flee from the north. according to authorities, in gaza, they say schools and medical facilities have been targeted and as we know, the death toll is a steadily rising. already topping 1900 people, killed in gaza, by israeli,
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thousands were injured so far. >> displacement is an issue for so many palestinians that were only in gaza because they were displaced decades ago. the palestinians ordered to leave head south. now we are hearing reports that people evacuated, and they have been hit by strikes. what more can you tell us about that one? >> that's right. it is distressing as a statement. the palestinian health ministry, inside gaza on friday. they say that the entire families were targeted by airstrikes in the middle of the street as they were at something to flee the city. i will its workers, paramedics were also targeted. at least three ambulances according to the palestinian health ministry in gaza were struck by an air strike yesterday. all of this as a civilians were tepid to evacuate as ordered by the israeli defense forces heading from northern gaza to the south. and, we do a video that has been released by the palestinian health ministry
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warning to our viewers, it is very graphic that you look. >> - - >> of course, michael, the defense forces say they are targeting hamas targets in gaza. but, as this is, densely populated strip of land, just about two times the size of washington, d.c., just to put in scale. under one blockade, it is currently under a siege as well. no food, water, no intercity
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getting in. hospitals are relying on just a few hours of electricity each day. so, of course, humanitarian told is growing by the day and it is anticipated that this is only going to get worse. michael? >> indeed. thank you for your reporting. this is a senior fellow, director of research in foreign policy with of the brookings institution. he joins me from the bethesda, maryland. it's good to see you. what is your assessment of what happens next? a specter of a ground invasion along with this israeli order with the evacuation of gaza city which on its face is the extraordinary request? >> it is extraordinary, michael. and i do not think it will be complied with. i doubt israel expected that. it goes to show the awareness of the difficulty of what is coming. and, frankly, the horror of what is coming. this is going to be unlike
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anything else. 15 or 16 or 17 years ago, israel decided that he did not want to be part of gaza anymore. it just got out. and, it tolerated hamas coming to power because the alternative was for israel to try to rule this place. and that was something that israel did not want. and, for 15 years, it sort of worked. right? the two sides decided to occasionally oppose each other, there were some instances of violence in 2014, there was a limited sense of incursions. for the most part it was live and let live and now that is absolutely gone. israel is going to have to rethink the entire approach to the gaza strip, not really knowing what to do. i mean, when you send 1 million people fleeing, and asked them to leave their homes, their livelihoods, without any clear destination in mind, without any clear way to take care of them once they are gone, knowing farewell that they probably will not leave because hamas is telling them not to.
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that is, in a way, and acknowledgment of desperation. but, it is also, perhaps, a reasonable thing to do when you would like to spare the lives of as many of those people as possible. and it is going to be very hard to vouch for the safety of civilians with what is coming next. and israel is one to do an extremely thorough house to house block to block search and it is to get ugly. >> when it comes to the likelihood, i suppose of these ground incursions, i surely think the key in weighing the scale of the israeli operation, is the chance of success. but across multiple metrics. military, of course. also crushing the organization and not just having another one spring in its place. they've had five wars against hamas and hamas is all there. there is also the risk of increasing public support for what they will see if the civilian suffering is too much. it is complicated.
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>> yes. and i think we will have to watch what happens on the ground. because it is too hard to speculate. one possibility is that if israel is successful and fundamentally beginning hamas, and making sure they cannot rule the gaza strip the way it has in recent years, who is going to replace hamas? and, what other ostriches? one possibility that might come to my mind, a u.s. trustee, or a coalition of different kinds of palestinian groups. but, all of these conversations are premature when hamas is still in power and what israel has not fully entered into gaza, not in any kind of large-scale operation to overthrow hamas. israel is going to take its best shot, and none of us really know. israel certainly doesn't know how well it is going to work. they have not made plans for this. this was the scenario they were trying to avoid. that's white left 16 years ago. so, a week or two ago, i hope you will let me back on.
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we can have a more production conversation about what the realistic options for the endgame are. right now, we can speculate and hypothesize. right now, how well can israel do at this meeting hamas? it's going to try. and they are going to be collateral damages, and civilian deaths along the way. but, israel is going to try and we will see how well it does in week two. >> your point about getting you back on, everyone is understandably focused on the frozen. but, looking back and looking forward, has israel made a mistake by sidelining the palestinians for years now? the people in terms of their situations under occupation. their aspirations. it has it been a mistake to push those issues aside. this is the question for anybody who is trying to deal with the multiple of these we all feel for the various peoples who are suffering.
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i mean, israel has suffered an abomination that no country should ever have to suffer. there is no justification whatsoever for what hamas did last weekend. having said that, israel has not done a good job on the peace process. not a long time. i dated back to the assassination of the ravine in the 19 90s. that was the last time when israel had a consistently pro- peace government, that really did all he could've and should've done. this is not in any way meant to be a justification for the tragedy that hamas has inflicted, upon so many innocent people. i have nothing but contempt for hamas. to be perfectly clear, and emphatic. but, israel, and probably could have done much better as well. and i think we will have to get back to some kind of a two state solution process and the aftermath of this, it is not to reward what hamas is done, but it's a reality that palestinians , peaceful civilian palestinians deserve their rights as well.
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>> unfortunately, we are out of time. inc. you so much. >> thank you, kind sir. >> still to come on the program, many time try to flee the conflict. one charity worker shares her struggle. trying to get her family out of the country. that's when we come back. >> ♪ ♪
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♪ an american charity worker living in israel is amongst thousands of u.s. citizens trying to flee the country. jessica spoke with jake tapper about what she described a lack of help from the united states department. >> it has been days, i have been calling them for the last three days? when i first had been informed that they were trying to get us out. it is crooked. you know, they have us on this step program, for citizens that are abroad. and, it does not work. basically, it's for traveling. it does not actively activate if you are here and you are not
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active on a trip. there is no notifications. you are just calling. telling the embassy, telling anybody who will take a phone call. and, nobody has an answer. today was a first day that i -- the first time in the last -- since i've had any kind of answer since saturday. this was just a shelter in place because we don't have a way to get us as of right now. it is tentative. >> so, your husband plans to stay in his real? what is the situation? >> i was born in the united states, i was born and raised in santa monica. and, my husband is israeli. so, he grew up here. you know, he lived through the lebanese war, fought, everything, grow throughout gulf war, et cetera and et
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cetera. this is his home. this is where his family is. this is where our nephews are, we were just informed have gone in to gaza, to start collecting people that have passed, victims of the terror. and, you know, it is -- it is his a horrible conflict, as somebody who has chosen to make this my home with him and grow my family and we have a farm that i have nicely named "my little america". you know, it is that pool, in two directions. i do not blame him for wanting to stay. i think he is probably the bravest person that i know. and it is the hardest thing and hardest decision that i have ever made in my life, to know that i'm going to say goodbye
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forever and i don't know. i'm hoping that i will come home, that i will come home to my home, and, my husband, and our dogs, and our loved ones. i have no idea. >> many of you are compelled to help with humanitarian relief efforts in gaza and israel. cnn has compiled resources, if you are so inclined. had to cnn.com/impact did you will find a list of vetted organizations responding on the ground. cnn.com/impact. >> still to come, thousands of residents evacuating gaza on friday, ahead of the expected incursion by israeli troops. but for many, there is no way to leave, and no hope of finding safety from an escalating conflict. also, civilians in gaza taking the brunt of israeli strikes, even though they do not necessarily support hamas. after the break, we speak with a guest about whether civilians
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♪ you are watching cnn newsroom. thank you for your company. the israeli military says it carried out a strike on a target in lebanon. they came in response to drones entering israeli airspace and firing on an israeli drone. earlier, they claimed responsibility for attacks on four israeli locations on friday. meanwhile, the u.n. is criticizing israel's orders for civilians to evacuate gaza city. a senior official of the order "outrageous" and says that "it
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defies the rules of war and basic humanity was quote. officials say there is no pause in the fighting, no save splashes, and no were safe for them to go. tens of thousands of people have fled their homes in northern gaza over the past day or so after israel's military warned them to leave gaza city. that is in addition to the 430,000 palestinians already displaced by this conflict. teresa ward reports on this worsening humanitarian crisis. >> reporter: they grab whatever they possibly can and set off. many of them on foot, with no set destination. after six straight days of relentless bombardment, palestinians in northern gaza woke up to leaflets from israel's military ordering them to move to the south of the densely populated enclave, the deadline given to the u.n. was a 24 hours.
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but, there is nowhere for them to go. efforts to open the humanitarian car door through egypt have so far been fruitless, and shelters are completely overwhelmed. the head of the un's palestinian refugee agency called the order "verandas", and said that "the enclave was rapidly becoming a hellhole". they are ghost towns, however by strikes, those who remain, alone with their grief. >> translator: my sons, my daughters, my neighbors are gone. i only have one message to the arab and islamic world: have mercy on us, for god sakes. there is nothing left. in several cities across the world today, they were protests in support of gaza. but the drumbeat of an invasion is growing ever louder here.
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>> reporter: the price that gaza is civilians are paying for hamas's bloody attacks is already so high. the hospital yesterday, some of the victims already lining the hallways. on a stretcher on the floor of the hospital, a young girl has fear. "you are a good girl, you are here". the man tells her. everyone is dead, she says. there is only a few left. in another bed, a young boy lies, heavily wounded, reassuring his father. do not be scared, do not be scared, daddy. i am fine. but with no promise of refuge, fear is the only sane reaction. clarissa ward, cnn news. a senior fellow at the
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middle east institute, he is the author of blind spot. america and the palestinians from belford to trump. he joins me from washington. thank you for doing so. the hamas attack on israeli civilians was unspeakable. it defies belief. israel was always going to respond with great force. but, how worried are you about what that response has already been, and, what might be yet to come? >> like you said, obviously, it was a horrific attack that took place last saturday on israeli civilians. what we are seeing it though, on the ground, in gaza, the images, beaming through us and social media, and other journalists, they are quite horrifying. gaza has been without power for a couple of days, no power, no water, no food, no medicine coming into gaza. the roads, many of the main arteries have been destroyed at
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the very same moment. that the israeli army is calling on 1 million people from the northern part of gaza to evacuate southwards, which is a logistical impossibility given of the destruction. and at the same time, we've seen convoys, just like today, people evacuating their homes, based on the idea that they would be safer elsewhere, only to have israeli missiles attack them in their civilian convoys. so, it is really quite a dire situation. and, it is a little bit concerning that we are not seeing more international attempted to sort of rein in the israelis and urge them at a minimum to turn the power back on. and, allow food and medicine. >> that is one of the problems.
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send 1 million people south to what? there is nothing down there either. i have been to gaza multiple times, and i know that not everyone far from it supports hamas. you think the world to easily seize all people in hamas as hamas supporters? and, what are the risks of that perception? >> i think it is a standard perception. it's highly demonizing to conflate an entire population with hamas. and frankly, even if there are supporters of hamas, that is not a justification for killing them. i mean, people -- we have a very extremist israeli government, that does not make ordinary israelis responsible for the actions of their elected government. i mean, that is a twisted logic that you can target population just because you do not like
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some of their leaders. it so, i think the entire premise is faulty. but, what we've seen throughout this entire crisis, sadly, is that very little of concern by world leaders, the united states, europe, who purport to be the champions of human rights and international law. and we see very little concern expressed, or what our in some cases very cute clear violations of international law and war crimes. >> you wrote to that point, really, i know you wrote in newsweek about what you said was the dehumanizing of palestinians. a lack of empathy for them, even giving what hamas did. i will just quote from that article. you wrote, "it is possible to grieve and honors the hundreds of israeli people killed or injured's, without simultaneously devaluing the
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lives of palestinian." why do you think it's so difficult for many people to do that? grieve for both. >> well, i think there is a natural human response to the carnage that we all saw on saturday, i think people had a visceral reaction to that. and then, there is this sense of , well, obviously, israel has a right to respond, and defend its citizens. and, there was an outpouring of sympathy for israel and a very wide license for israel to respond, and the problem, of course, that you have, is that you have israeli government that is is voted primarily by greed, rage, anger, as well as the brazenness of the attack biomass. and, and out right
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public cries for vengeance. and so, these are not the ingredients of deliberate rational action. this is, i think, but dangerous , and that is exactly why you need responsible actors in international communities who can say "yes, what happened to you was outrageous, but, the response cannot be equally outrageous". and, we are just not seeing it. we are not seeing the outcry, that even we've seen in the past. in the past, we've seen the international community urging israel to exercise restraint, we saw today, reports and the press that the state department is actually asking its people do not use words like cease- fire or de-escalation or stop the violence to its own diplomats around the world. that is really frightening.
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because, europe has an enormous arsenal, and can do considerable damage and it already has. >> right. unfortunately, we have run out of time. we appreciate it. thank you so much. >> thank you. still to come on the program, joe biden says that his administration is working like to find hostages held by hamas. u.s. republicans make another nomination for speaker, but jim jordan has a long way to go, before he secures the gavel. details on the chaos in congress when we come back. >> ♪ ♪ rs!
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to find hostages held by hamas. the first u.s. charter flight from israel arrived in athens on friday. it mj lee with the latest. >> reporter: with so many people trying to leave israel, amongst them, american citizens, the state department has tried to provide charter flights for american citizens and the immediate family members and the first charter flight leaving israel and landing in athens on friday afternoon. and we are told that some 20,000 u.s. citizens have reached out to the state department, since saturday's attacks began, many of them expressing that they would like to try to leave israel. meantime, at the white house, president biden held a zoom call with the family members of those that are unaccounted for in israel. this is how he described that meeting earlier today. >> this morning, i spoke with the family members of all of those americans who are still unaccounted for. i was on a zoom call for about
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an hour and a half. they are going through agony, not knowing what the status of what their children's and families are. you know, it is gut wrenching. i assured them of my personal commitment to whatever i can, everything possible to return every american to their families. >> the tone that we have heard from u.s. officials about these american hostages have been pretty grim, and, information about them have been very difficult to come by. officials say that there is a handful of americans that have been taken hostage by hamas into gaza, but that the condition is unknown. there is also currently no missionary to try to physically extract them from gaza, although, officials do emphasize that no option has been taken off of the table. mj lee, cnn, the white house. and american family was loved ones are held by hamas are hopeful that u.s. president
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joe biden and his administration can bring them home. the president spoke with family members of kidnapped americans on an emotional video conference call on friday. sarah cohen, whose sister and 17-year-old niece were kidnapped in gaza, says "her brother took part in the call and shared details with cnn's wolf blitzer". >> thank you for having us on. actually, we are devastated. we have no idea what is happening in their situation. i can tell you, that we got a message a few hours ago that they are definitely in gaza. and, we know that they have been kidnapped. however, we have no idea about their situation at this time. we have no idea if they are alive or dead, healthy or wooded. but we do know for certain that they have been taken and
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brought to the gaza strip by the hamas. >> so heartbreaking. can you tell us more about what president biden said to you and two other families on the conference call earlier today? >> well, i can say it was very touching because president biden found the time to speak to each and every one of us, each and every family, an american citizen captured. and, he reinsured us that the united states will do everything in its power to get them back home safely and to get a sign of life from them. and, we are confident that we are in good hands. >> sarah, were you or other family members able to speak directly to president biden, and if so, what was your other message to them? >> actually, my brother was
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the one who attended the meeting with president biden. he did speak to him in person. the message was that we want to have a sign of life from them, that we are asking the american authorities to have any channel with the hamas to get a list and to know what is their situation. we are very worried about my sister and my niece. my niece is not even 18 years old. she is supposed to be celebrating her birthday on the 24th of this month, and, we know that young women are being , and injured, judith is -- she is not very healthy. and, what we want from president biden, is to make sure that there is an open channel with the hamas, and
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with the red cross, to get any sign from them. u.s. house republicans are headed home for the weekend after nominating jim jordan of ohio to be the next speaker of the house. when lawmakers return on monday to vote on jordan, he had been gone without a leader for two weeks. it seems likely they still will not have one. more than 50 republicans voted against jordan on the house floor and he can only afford to lose 4. lawmakers say that jordan plans to spend the weekend trying to win over holdouts but it might not be enough. >> we have a very small group of people that they have to have everything their way. >> how does that make you guys look sexy >> it looks like we are idiots. >> i am angry on behalf of our troops. >> so, many of us on there, we feel it is rewarding bad
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behavior if we do that. >> this is a continuation of a pretty dysfunctional disease of the 118th. we have a lot of numbers, who just feel like they will let perfect be the enemy of the good. that is not how any functional government or any functional marriage or any functional business works. >> political analyst michael gervais's talks now about it. good to see you. the war in ukraine, the war between israel and hamas, the looming government shutdown, and the speaker of the house, is there a way to express how damaging and dysfunctional the process has been? >> well, the republicans are the party that is running with scissors. they are masters of chaos and confusion and the message they're sending is that we are not a stable government, we are not reliable. contrast that with joe biden,
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who has been on the world stage, forceful and strong, and you have been getting very mixed messages. we are sending mixed signals at a time where we need to be unified. >> the significant opposition to jim jordan. his own people do not like him, particularly the moderates. what if he does not get the numbers and it does not look like he will? what then? >> you will have a tough weekend because he has to do a lot of persuading and controlling and who knows what he has to do. kevin mccarthy had to make deals which were deal breakers for him. i do not know what they're going to ask of jordan. he has a tougher job, though, than mccarthy. mccarthy only had to get eight or 10 more onboard. jordan has to get dozens. so, if he succeeds, it would be a surprise. if he fails, you are back to square one. there is no front runner. there is no one that you look to and say "he or she is the likely person".
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republicans would be in a deeper chaos if they cannot get this done by tuesday. >> democrats are saying that we have a guy, hakeem jeffries. but how much is this? how much is this impacting this governance? what is not being done, while the republicans are in one of their own, on the surface? >> you know, normal times, you still need to get the government to function. in extraordinary times, we are in those right now. having new government to speak of coming out of congress, is a disaster. you have the ukraine situation. funding has to be voted on. you have a to israel, which is in the crisis right now. you have potential government shutdown, just two or three weeks down the line. so, you have these monumentally large significant things that have to be done and there is no capacity to do them. >> and just before let you go, what about matthew gates ?
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that is what gates did. he is a liability, he is the head of the children's caucus, it's a small one. they have a narrow margin of in terms of the house, a few people can just come up to work. and, he is showing that we are a superpower. and i think the republicans have to figure out how much longer they can and will put up with his antics. >> i think it was a republican , the world is laughing at that u.s. politics at the moment. or one side of it. we have to leave it there. we are out of time. thank you for the analysis. >> thank you. >> and, we will be right back. >> ♪ ♪
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victims of the israel hamas war were honored at a football match between england and australia friday. it comes as football governing body fifa speaks out after facing a backlash for silence in recent days.
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cnn patrick snell reports. >> reporter: friday a moment of silence ahead of kickoff ahead of england friendly victory over australia at wimbley. the color of the accident israeli flag, england football association with this prematched tribute. tonight, we remember the innocent victims of a devastating events in israel and palestine. our thoughts are with them and families and friend in england and australia and all the communities affected by this ongoing conflict. tonight, we stand for humanity and an end to the death, violence, fear and suffering. players from both teams wearing black arm bands standing shoulder to shoulder throughout. the poignant gesture impeccably observed. football's governing body had received widespread criticism in recent days-on offering his deepest condolences to the israeli and palestine
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football associations. adding it is as heartbreaking as it is shocking to see a region people who've known such profound suffering far too long suffer even more. the footballing world stands firmly in solidarity with the people of palestine and israel. and with all the innocent victims that are paid an unspeakable price. israel were set to play two euro qualifying games during the current international break. both postponed were while palestine's fixture on friday did not go ahead either. with that, it's back to you. >> thanks to patrick snell. a new york city land march shining in support of israel and those killed in last weekend's deadly attacks. the empire state building lit up in blue and white on friday night. here's a live look at the building and the colors of the israeli flag. according to the site's social media pages the colors honored the victims of the hamas attacks
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on israel last saturday. posts say the college will light up the buildings's tower from sunset friday until sunrise on saturday. thanks for watching this hour of cnn newsroom. standing part of your day with me. i'm michael holmes. my friend and colleague linda kincaid picks up coverage after a short break. . . . . p .
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