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state's evidence the apology letter from ms. powell. and ms. powell, do you understand that this court does not have to follow the state's recommendation in this case. >> i do. >> and you understand that the court does not have follow the state's recommendation and you can follow through with trial on the original indictment? >> i do. >> and do you understand that if you are currently on probation or parole, your probation or parole may be revoked based upon entering this guilty plea? >> yes. >> do you understand that if you are placed on probation of any kind, you cannot violate the law in any way or the government or any other special conditions of the probation that was subject to your probation to being revokeded for the balance that is remaining? >> i understand. >> do you understand that you are not allowed to possess any firearms while you are on
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>> i am not aware of any. >> so, are youware that this may affect your ability to possess firearms? >> yes. >> let me back up. mr. rafferty, have you had the opportunity to go over the accusation with your client? >> yes. >> and have you both signed this accusation? >> yes. >> and do you waive any accusations in this pleading? >> yes. >> and do you plead guilty to the accusations? >> yes. >> and the maximum that you could receive is 12 months to serve on each of the channels in the accusation? >> yes. it is my understanding that
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you are asking the court to sentence you under the first offender act? >> correct. >> have you plead guilty or nolo to any other felonies in the state of georgia or any other jurisdiction? >> no. >> and do you understand that if you are sentenced under the first offender act, has your attorney gone over what that means and what that entitles? >> yes. >> and do you understand that if you are violating the first offender sentence while on probation, the first offender status could be revoke and you could be adjudicated guilty and sentenced for each charge in accusation? >> yes. >> to you understand that you could successfully complete your sentencing in the first offender act that you could not complete the charges? >> yes. >> and do you understand that you waive all defenses including
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mental health defense by entering this plea? >> yes. >> do you understand that you have 12 months from today's date in order to file a habeas corpus? >> yes. >> and do you understand that unless counsel is permitted to withdraw, he is going to represent you to the end of court or 30 days which ever is lated? >> we are. >> and you understand that you have the last day of court to withdraw your guilty plea? >> yes. >> you understand that term ends on november 5th of 2023? >> yes. >> and do you understand that any of the filings that you, that we just discussed will be represented by the filings unless you represent yourself? >> yes. >> do you understand that by pleading guilty, you are giving up the right to trial by jury? >> yes. >> do you understand that by pleading guilty you are to give up the right to remain silence
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and not incriminate yourself? >> yes. >> you understand that by pleading guilty you are giving up the right to testify others. >> yes. >> do you understand that by pleading guilty that you are giving up the right to counsel -- all right. sidney powell is pleading guilty to the fulton county case against her and to 12 months probation to pay a fine and to cooperate as a witness in the investigation into other people, including presumably former president donald trump. i want to get right back to katelyn polantz, and quickly, remind us what she is pleading guilty to. elie honig is with us as well. and what is she pleading guilty to what she just admitted to doing. >> well, kate and john, there are two parts of this misdemeanor deal with quite a few stipulations including her
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testifying in future trials including that of donald trump. the parts of what she had been previously accused of taking part of the racketeering and conspiracy, and that is something likely she would be testifying to, but what she is pleading guilty to in this case in fulton county, georgia, is coffey county, the rural county where there were voting machines, and she is accused of being a part of the group of people hacking them. this is a misdemeanor deal, and it is not her pleading guilty to the specific felony charges that she was charged with, but she is admitting to taking part in that portion of what had happened there in coffey county, and very likely will be speaking in a way where her words can be used against the other defendants accused of the hacking conspiracy in coffey county, trying to get access of the voting system there, but she is part of a much bigger conspiracy case, the racketeering case against donald trump and others
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which accuses her of being part of the top echelon lawyers around donald trump trying to undermine the election, and even though the charges in georgia for her previously, and in this case were specifically about coffey county, she was a person with the white house, in the white house next to rudy giuliani at public appearances and part of that effort where various lawyers around the country were trying to put allegations of fraud into the court system, of voter fraud, and those allegations were ultimately false. >> elie, we want to get your reaction to this, just because sidney powell, and there were few people who pushed conspiracy theories in election fraud theories in some of the most wild of them involving wednesday wa -- involving venezuela and hugo
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chavez than sidney powell. >> yes, and it is important to remember who she was, and she is one of the donald trump loyalist, and pushing to discount this election. and what is going to happen now is that sidney powell is going to testify for prosecutors in georgia and presumably, prepared to testify for jack smith in the case in washington, d.c., and she is not indicted in that case, but she is going to be a co-conspirator case, and provide insider information that could be potentially devastating to donald trump. >> and she was in the room where some things that maybe if not did happen, but at least discussed, and some of the contentious meetings that took place in the white house before january 6th, and how can the prosecutors now use her? >> so, you use her to bring your jury into the very room.
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she is going to be guide, and the narrator, and say s i was in this room with donald trump, with rudy giuliani, and this is what we discussed and here is who said what and what we knew. and in order to take this deal and plea, sidney powell is going to have to acknowledge it was illegal and a crime, and that going to lend a lot of credibility to prosecutor's assertions that what donald trump did was knowingly a crime, and potentially a crime, and now they have ultimate insider and someone who is steadfastly loyal to donald trump to the narrative and now she has flipped an come clean and now she is a prosecution witness. >> she was on election night at the white house watching the returns come in, and this is according to some of the testimony to house investigators though she declined to speak about a lot of stuff, and that is what you are getting at, and
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she can speak to basically everything in terms of donald trump's involvement. but is there any limit, elie, to what in terms of the plea deal, and i don't even know if the details need to come further out, but is there a limit to how the prosecutors can use her, and what she can testify to? >> so typically, typically the cooperation has to be not partial, and well, you can tell us some details or some facts or testify about some people and not other. the standard cooperation plea deal is that you to give up everybody, and give up everything, and you have to be willing to testify in this court and any other court where you are needed. and so again, the implications here go to the fulton county d.a.'s charges in georgia, but also to jack smith's charges and the federal case in washington, d.c., and she going to become a
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potential witness for him as well. >> and talk to me about the timing here, katelyn, because the jury selection is getting under way within days, and she has asked for a speedy trial, and kenneth chesebro has also asked for a speedy trial, and explain the po ten tential on t other trials. >> well, it is significant, because she was in the room at the white house until m mid-september, and this is showing how the system incentivizes people to avoid trial and to cooperate prosecutor, and she is doing this right before the trial is to begin with the jury selection at the end of the week, and november 5th is the date procedural where the guilty plea, and the no turning back on this guilty plea, and that is whenever the trial is going to
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formally kick off for her, and previously her and ken chesebro, and with that setup, it is alleviating the need for the prosecutors the try her, but, john and kate, just following her case, and following her as a person over not just the 2020 election, but the whole way through the trump administration and a lawyer representing michael flynn, and this is quite a surprise to see sidney powell to see the second person in this 19-person trial in georgia to cooperate, and she as a person is incredibly set in her beliefs, it appears. i remember she used to wear a blazer that said carpe diem on the lapel. and she has branded herself as such. and her lawyers were looking very much to specific pieces of
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evidence that they had identified believing that and they could fight this case and win, and this is clearly not the decision they are going with at this time. >> and isn't that the one the release of the cracken. sorry. final question. >> yes, release the cracken. >> and now, elie, if you are representing any of the defendants, including dronald trump, what is the client? >> tell me any time you spoke with sidney powell, and any meeting that you were with sidney powell, because now the prosecutors have all of that, and you have to be prepare to cross-examine her, and there is a standard line that every defense attorney will use to cross-examine her, and you are telling the prosecutors what you want to hear, and the prosecutors are used to that, and the main thing as a prosecutor, did this person have
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access, and clearly she did have access to the key meetings that you talked about and do we believe her testimony now, and had she come clean, and can we back her up, and clearly the fulton county d.a. has answered yes, and jack smith is going to say yes, and now she is a crucial witness, and this trial, and perhaps multiple trials. >> the breaking news is that sidney powell has plead guilty in the fulton county case, and will serve as a witness in the investigations and the prosecutions of others. >> i would say maybe rudy giuliani is the only other person that it would be so significant to essentially cooperate at trial. >> it is a sprawling case, and we will have to see where the tentacles go, because as katelyn polantz said, she had seize the day, and now she is going to seize the deal. and now, the other parts of this
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>> we are following breaking news right now. the house republicans are headed back behind closed door and the point is looking at options with regard to the fight over the speaker. jim jordan spoke to lauren fox, and listen to this. >> just ask you at this point, do you think that empowering mchenry for a short period of time might give you more chance to win over some of the skeptical republicans?
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>> we are going to bring the conference together and look at all kinds of options at the conference. >> all kinds of options -- and manu raju is at the hill. what is happening now, manu? >> well, it is a lot of confusion that is happening around the republicans who are still in the state of turmoil more than two weeks of the unprecedented ouster of kevin mccarthy and leading to a state of paralysis, and no legislative action can occur on the floor until a speaker is elected and we have seen it time and time again, the republicans are badly divided over who should lead their conference. jim jordan after failing on the second ballot yesterday losing 22 republican votes, the question is whether he is going to go for the third ballot, and i am told from the republican sources that the number could grow up to 30 no votes assuring that he would not get the speakership, and a lot of questions, will he step aside, and decide that another
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candidate is going to emerge who will struggle to get 217 votes, or will the republicans move ahead to empower the speaker patrick mchenry the authority to oversee the floor, and all of that is going to be hashed over at a critical meeting at 11:00 a.m. in a matter of minutes, and this is coming as many of the republicans are pointing the finger at the eight republicans who are the ones who voted to oust kevin mccarthy. and now i caught up with bob good over what has happened, and if he regrets what has happen and he made it clear that he didn't. >> reporter: it is worth what has happen and that you didn't get jim jordan, but you may get someone more moderate than kevin mccarthy? >> what do you think would have happened over the last couple of weeks for the american people for the last two weeks? >> they would have moved on the
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appropriations bill. >> and they could have moved for -- >> well, again, they have not -- >> well, the house did not move on anything. >> and they said they would do a lot of thing, but it didn't happen. >> reporter: and this is what the feeling is among a lot of the republicans that, the question is what did they ultimately get out of the process, given that many of the hardliners like bob good want jim jordan to be elected, but the people angry at the hardliners don't want to reward them by electing jim jordan, and therein is the problem of get beg hind a candidate like jim jordan, and if another is nominated, getting to 217 is challenging, and this is leading to more questions and chaos and more division as the chamber is paralyzed as they debate to move forward with giving patrick mchenry the interim speaker more power to allow the legislative
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process to work, and they are badly divided on that as well, because they need the democratic voting to work there, and now, patrick mchenry walked into the speaker's house, because they are noncommittal of whether they would even support that idea of supporting patrick mchenry. >> and now, the idea of hypothetical question, and that is the hypothetical questions, because that is what we get the answer from politicians. okay. back to jiyou. >> and now, i understand that patrick mchenry the speaker protem just walked behind you, and would you support him, support empower him and giving him more authority, if it came to a vote on the house floor?
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>> possibly, yeah. i think that it depends what he worked out our leader hakeem jeffries, and leader jeffries has reached out many times to the republican conference and folks like moderates like mr. mchenry and said, kind of put together a bipartisan unity coalition that could sideline the extremists and make sure that the house functions again. >> what do you think that democrats should get in return for supporting mchenry and empowering him? >> i can only speak for myself, and i am not speaking for the conference or my caucus, i think that we should not have a government shutdown, and i think that we should have a vote on aid to israel and ukraine and the security needs. i am hoping that we can possibly make a motion to vacate one person moving to remove the speaker goes away.
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those are the things that i would look for and my colleagues and other colleagues would have thoughts, but that is what i would be looking for. >> i shift locations here to put up the intelligence of the israel defense forces on this explosion at a hospital inside gaza. you were on the intelligence committee. what your assessment of the israeli position that this is an errant rocket from islamic jihad? >> i was actually in the skiff, in a classified briefing yesterday morning, and i was looking at the evidence carefully, and i have not seen evidence of israel being responsible for this particular attack, and that being said, i am just concerned generally about what is to come in the gaza strip. we have to spare innocents at all costs. >> do you think that israel and/or the united states should release more of this
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intelligence that they say shows that it was a rocket from islamic jihad? >> as long as they could protect the sources and methods and show that we can continue to gather and collect evidence, because as you know, we have to continue to do so, then it would be prudent. >> congressman, the israel defense forces today said they have contacted families of some 203 potential hostages who could be being held in gaza right now, and 203, and this is the 13th day in captivity somewhere, presumably inside of gaza right now. in your assessment, how is israel's reaction so far making it more or less likely that those hostages would be rele released? >> it is a very complicated
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question, and we working with our friends and partners and allies to collect intelligence on the whereabouts of those hostages to locate them and take them out of harm's way before any further operations occur, and this pause is essential to maintain their safety and collecting vital intelligence of the whereabouts. >> thank you, congressman. if patrick mchenry walks by again, grab him for us, because we would love to speak to him soon, and we appreciate your help. >> i am happy to be a cnn correspondent for you, sir. happy to help. >> it is a tough job, sir. >> thank you. and the idf has said it is targeting hundreds of structures over the last 24 hour, and the impact of the air strikes is next. plus, in southern gaza, we will be talking to a doctor there, and how the medical staff
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grandmother who who were kidnapped from their kibbutz have now been found dead. that is what their family just told cnn. the israel defense forces confirm that the two deaths to them family, and that is according to a relative who lives in the united states. carmello who had israeli and french citizenship, and then the granddaughter now, taken from this kibbutz taken from any oz, and we are trying to understand this circumstances here, one is 80 years old and one 13-year-old. kate. >> that is tragic. that ism solve to news coming in, and also, we are tracking
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what president biden is doing fresh off of air force one, and now, preparing for a huge appeal from the oval office. he is going to be addressing the nation asking americans in a primetime address to get behind his plan for support of his plan behind ukraine and israel. and now, this is the scene behind khan yunis from a few hours ago. it is part of the area where the civilian, khan yunis is, where the civilians were told to flee to for safety, and after a blast this morning a stream of people, including children, seen rushed to the hospital there. right now, it is not clear what caused explosions, and the idf is looking into it. >> and now, we are joined with more on this situation in khan yunis, and put this up on the map here, and people can see
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what we are talking about, khan yunis is the area in southern gaza where the people are told to move south from, and what are you learning about there? >> yes, half a million people, estimated half a million people followed the evacuation order and moved southward. this is people looking for safety and desperate for refuge, only to find themselves only in a place of more death and destruction. i want to play the images if we can one more time of the people just streaming into the hospital. there is something that i want to point out there, john. if you are taking a close look, many of the victims are children. half of the population of gaza is children. you have 2 million people, and again half of them children trapped in what is essentially an urban war zone. the borders are sealed off. a complete siege is imposed by israel, and the rafah crossing is closed off, and aid, food,
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water and fuel is not allowed n and meanwhile, the bombings, and munitions are continuing to rain down, and the treatment that the children will get in that hospital is absolutely awful, because we know from the hospitals that the medical hospitals is on the brink of collapse. they have said that they are almost out of power, and running out of painkillers and performing surgeries right there on the floor. and what this is would be direct punishment of the gazan population. and this is spiraling out of control. president biden has drawn the deal to allow some aid into the rafah crossing, but what we are talking about is 20 trucks. 20 trucks of aid, and this is a drop in the absolute drop in the
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ocean there of the need in gaza. >> that is the trucks moving from egypt, and they will be if president biden's deal goes through crossing into gaza some time perhaps soon. and salma abdelaseize, thank you. and now, to note for our viewers the hospital where mohammad works is different from the one that we have been showing from the videos from khan yunis is different from where the patients were taken where salma just showed us, it is very different from the one where we just showed. so tell us what kind of patients you are treating. >> actually, mostly children and
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also we have other patients, but we are lacking of beds, and the scale of injuries have always been on large and we have had to expand the icu unit. we used to have eight beds of icu and now we have more than 30 beds of icu. they are almost full. we have only two. >> and most of the supplies are dwindling or gone at many
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hospitals. what is it like at your hospital? how are you on medicines and critical things, and beyond the fact that water and electricity and fuel are on short supply? >> everything is in short supply, and actually the medication, and the most shortage is critical of water, because we are very close to the border, and they cut the water for the last few days, and the drinking water is a bigger challenge to provide to the patients. and additionally the hospital lacking, and we are trying to
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make use for certain reasons to deal with the casualties we are receiving. additionally the fuel is lacking for transport. if we need doctors or nurses to come to the hospital, because the transportation is very dangerous and terrifying. most of the time, we don't find them with ambulances to bring them to the hospital. additionally, medication like analgesia is lacking, and we don't have i.v.s and operations are affected and we have the buy it from the private sector. >> the circumstances sound, umm, horrific and challenging for any doctor. outside of the work that you are doing day in, day out in trying
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to help people at your hospital, how are you? how is your family? have you had to move out of your home? >> actually the condition in every single point in gaza is terrifying. there is no safe place. ab about 200 meters from where i am living people are dying. people have come from gaza to seek a safe place, and so the bombardment came in the middle of the night, and about 40 persons have died. unfortunately until now, there is no equipment to get to them from underneath the buildings. the bombardment is a single
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minute. it is going, and there is no safe place for our children. for our families, and so there is no place which is safe. everything we have to keep our children to assure them to have this trauma of being exposed. it is a huge amount, and again the civilian people. >> additionally, additionally, it is very hard to get them food, and you to stay for bread or anything that you want the buy, and it is not safe to go to these places, because the bombardment also have targeted those people who are working to
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get bread. you cannot get them food. and it is very difficult. additionally, the drinking water is a very big challenge to have. there is no water in the market to buy. as you know, gaza is having difficulty with the water, and the drinking water near gaza is not suitable for human need. you have no place to buy water. there is no electricity to get the clean water and it is a challenge. it is difficult to get water for your kids to drink and survive. >> mahmoud ali, thank you for getting on the phone with me. we will continue to check back
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with you. thank you so much from inside of gaza. we will have so much more from the international response unfolding from the war, and where the humanitarian aid is, and when will it start flowing in from egypt into gaza, as we were hearing from the doctor, and yet again, a desperate need that they are running out of anesthesia. more coming up in moments.
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expects a truck from egypt to be rolling into gaza as soon as tomorrow, and they will adhere through the rafah crossing, and the president said that the deal for 20 trucks has been agreed to by israel and egypt so long as the supplies don't get to hamas. president biden is going to address the nation tonight from the oval office for the crisis in israel and ukraine. cnn's chief international anchor christiane amanpour, what do you expect to hear from the president tonight? >> well, john, it was a month ago even that president biden floated the idea of giving a major speech of ukraine, and this is way before the catastrophe unfolding in the middle east right now, but because of what was transpiring in congress, and at the time, the speaker had been kicked out, and still no speaker, and it is still no help for the middle east as well, and it is going to
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be tricky, but i happened at this time to sit with former secretary of state hillary clinton and i asked her what the president needed to do to at least make the case for ukraine, which in the last few weeks has essentially fallen off of the visibility map. this is what she told me. >> just like in years past when somebody is under attack by an authoritarian regime, a dictator, you have to pay attention to what that dictator's true intentions are. putin invaded georgia, ukraine the first time in 2014. he was not stopped. and why is it that all of the fi firsthand allies who have experience with putin who know that if he has his way with ukraine, he is not going to stop
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there. i know there is going to be a vote in the house, and they will get the way, but if they drag their feet and find common cause with those who frankly supported hitler, and shame on them, we have to find a way to fund ukraine. >> so, she is making a forceful case for ukraine, but that is essentially america's national security whether it is to find peace, democracy in the middle east or trying to make sure that the same happens stability in china and around taiwan, and this is the u.s. aim right now, and it seems that the president wants to make that case to the people even while congress is tied up in knots. >> speaking directly to the american people tonight at 8:00, christiane amanpour, very interesting stuff. kate? coming up, a court employee was arrested in the civil fraud trial against donald trump, and what we are learning about what
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all right. to breaking news. what we saw moments ago inside of a georgia courtroom, donald trump's former attorney reaching a plea deal that in exchange for a guilty plea, she will avoid jail time and testify in future trial which could include donald trump's trial at least in georgia. and also happening the civil fraud trial against donald trump where he is found liable for
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fraud, and john weisselberg, the sn of allen weisselberg is going to be on the stand. and now, what will we expect on the stand after what was a bizarre day yesterday? >> well, the president is not here today, and the security is lighter and calmer. and as you said, allen weisselberg's son has just taken the stand for the second day, and just beginning questioning by the state attorney general's office, and he helped to get a loan for the building, and that is one of the loans at the center of the case, but it is a different mood where just before the lunch break, there was a woman dressed in professional clothing and walked up into the gally where all of the reporters are, and went into be the gally
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where president trump was sitting in the well at the defense table, and she spoke to him, and it is inaudible, and i was sitting is four rows back, and he apparently told her to sit down, and she went and sat ac across the aisle from me, and another court officer asked her to leave. when she went outside, there was a heated exchange, and she was charged with contempt of court disruption of a court proceeding. we learned that she is a court employee, and she has been placed on administrative leave. the former president was completely unaware of what happened and he did not know what had occurred, but that is the scene yesterday, and today, back on the course of the normal testimony. >> okay. kara sckara scannell, thank you keep us posted of the
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