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dozens of rockets coming in here. >> repeated gun fire. >> you can see the scale of destruction. >> and what you can see in gaza. >> that is death of my children and grandchildren experienced a living hell. >> how difficult is this fight on the ground? from chrome to duckduckgo. duckduckgo is a browser you download to your mobile and desktop devices. unlike chrome, the duckduckgo browser has privacy built-in.
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trials and that would include the trial or trials in a second of donald trump. with us now, first nick valencia who is outside of the courtroom in georgia and also the senior legal analyst elie honig, and we saw it play out. sidney powell walked into the courtroom and she had to answer questions, and she said, yeah, she is agreeing to the plea deal laid out to us. >> and yes, sorry, john, there is a live situation here with police cars going by. but it is a stunning reversal for us here in court, and it is stunning for us watching the case throughout, and stunning if only because brian rafferty, the attorney for sidney powell had been maintaining the innocence, and said that the d.a. had evidence that she was not the driving force behind the breach here in coffey county, georgia, but today, the former attorney
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for former president donald trump did plead guilty to the data breach in rural georgia, and she has to as part of the plea deal write a letter of apology and testify against the 17 co-defendants including former president, and other trials to the former president. it is a blow no former president only because she is inextricably linked with the president. she filed meritless lawsuits of voter fraud, and now one of the former attorneys will be used against him as the d.a. here in fulton county tries to secure a indictment against the former president. john? >> all right. nick valencia outside of the courtroom, and thank you for that. >> also with us now, is katelyn
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polantz, and elie honig? >> well, it is the eve of trial, and this is where she pusheded for the speedy trial, and she wanted the speedy trial, and so did ken chesebro, and the rest of the defendants and all 17 others this, including donald trump were able to breathe a sigh of relief and have them go to trial and have donald trump as the empty chair, and they would be put up at the defense table before the jury, and the prosecutors would have the try the case there, and sidney powell was the piece that she was facing most accusations in was coffey county, and relatively narrow part of the racketeering case, and relatively situation of how would this trial go for the prosecutors and now clearly, enough reason for sidney powell to be motivated to take this deal to agree to cooperate, and they will use her guilty plea on the six charges of conspiracy to
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interfere with intentional duties, but they will be a ebl to ask her about all of the other thing, and the rack teerg and conspiracy that she is accused of taking part of as she is testifying likely at this trial in the future against donald trump and others. >> our senior analyst elie honig is with us, and she has to write an apology letter, and this is not the most important here, and it is the plea agreement to work and testify in the prosecutions of others here, a talk about how big of a deal that is. >> so this is a really big breakthrough for the prosecutors. in order for any cooperation deal to work, the defendant in this case, sidney powell, she has to do a couple of things. she has to admit what she did, and plea guilty, as we are seeing today, and willing to testify. it is important to understand that there is no such thing as halfway cooperation. if you are a prosecutor, you would not enter into this deal
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with sidney powell unless that you were convinced that she is telling truth, and she would testify credibly in the way that you can put in front of the jury, and see that she is not going to be splitting hairs. if she is going to admit her involvement in the coffee county scheme, as katelyn laid out, she is also charged in the rack teerg charge here with donald trump, and she has to admit, that, yes, what we were trying to do is to steal the election, and i knew that it was illegal, and in fact, a crime, and all of that is in play for all of the 17 other co-defendants here including donald trump. >> and elie, you think that this could, this also could extend to jack smith's investigation into the case that he is bringing? >> for sure. so remember that sidney powell is not a charged defendant in jack smith's case involving to steal the 2020 election, but she is a unindicted co-conspirator,
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and there are six of them, rudy giuliani and sidney powell are two of the six. so in his view, she was part of the conspiracy, and now, we don't know if there is any coordination of fani willis and jack smith, but if i am jack smith, i am picking up the phone and calling d.a. there and saying that you have flipped sidney powell, and we would like to talk to her, too, because if you believe that she has come clean, and you can put her on the stand, then we as well would like to put her on the stand, and maybe she has to work out a separate deal with jack smith, but if she has come clean, then if i am jack smith, i want her as a witness. >> that is going to be interesting and i can't help but believe that she going to testify there. and now, sidney powell was at the december -- what meeting?
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>> december 18th. >> talk to me about who was there, because that is a source of the drama of what happened before january 6th. >> i don't want to list everybody off of the top of my head, because i might misspeak one of the heads, but it is the people central to the white house, and i believe that there were people quite high up both in the white house and in the legal world around donald trump and there was shouting at that meeting about what to do that people like sidney powell were trying to get one-on-one time with donald trump, and did, and i believe that mark meadows was also a person in the room and seeing it play out, and all of that is important in the federal investigation. and how all of these people were very close to trump, himself, and having conversations with him. and elie is talking about the federal investigators of how she
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was willing to plea guilty in georgia, and it is quite possible to talk to her about the one-on-one conversations with donald trump, the defendant, and that they will be taking to trial in march to federal court, and she does split with the trump world after december 18th, and someone who was involved not just in the fund-raising effort after the 2020 election talking about election fraud, but she is a lawyer and publicly out there in court. >> and to hit that point again, she never backed down from the election fraud theories. and she was, and she plead not guilty, and fighting this georgia case up until yesterday or maybe the begin of the week that in trying continue to fight it. and what a big shift this is. >> it is. and just knowing her personally as someone that we have seen in court before. she is very much a fighter, and has always been, and she somehow
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got michael flynn's plea deal that was signed, delivered to the judge unraveled at the end of the trump administration, and not only that, she had done all, and all kinds of tactics in court to try to unravel that, and even now in this case, you will see her being dilted even if she is not in the trump circle anymore, and she is a lawyer who has the law license at risk in pleading guilty to a crime that has some moral underpinning to it, and she is a person who has a lot of information it to, and does she want to be perceived as different than before. >> and elie honig, pleading guilty days before the trial is to begin, and kenneth chesebro's trial is set to go next week on tv, and very shortly, we will see the election fraud trial playing out before our eyes, and
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what is sidney powell's guilty play impact going to have on that, and what are you expecting? >> one defendant at the trial, and not two, and sidney powell is out. and so, it is so important that we, the public will is that donald trump and the other defendants will get to see it play out, and that is a strategic advantage for them, and the d.a. said that my evidence as to any of the 19 defendants and two of whom have plead guilty, sidney powell, and scott waul, and they are going to be sessentially the same as o all of the defendants. so when she tries the case, she is going to put u on the entire case. that is going to be fascinating about what happened behind the scenes of donald trump, and he
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could well take on the damage in some respect, but tactically, donald trump and other defendants can sit back, and watch, and take notes somewhere over the last few minutes, sidney powell pleading guilty. and elie honig and katelyn polantz in the studio with us. >> thank you, my friend. and we are also watching the developments in israel and gaza. children were among the dozens of people who were rushed to the hospital after a blast in khan yunis. plus, the anti-semitic acts rising really across the globe, including here in the united states. look at this picture, a swastika sprawled graffiti on the
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hill on a vote that we have just learned will not happen today. cnn's lauren fox with the very latest on capitol hill. jim jordan is backing off, lauren. where do things stand? >> yeah, we are expecting in the private conference meeting according to multiple sources that me and the cnn colleagues have been talking with that jim jordan is going to point to lean to the resolution to empower patrick mchenry to january rather than running again today on the floor for house speaker there. is some thinking behind this. he is not expecting to drop his speakership, but it is going to give him more time to shore up the support, and will it work over the next several months? it is unclear, because there are a number of proponents who say they will not back him, and it is not clear that more time is going to change their minds, but on the legislative front,
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empowering mchenry for several months would essentially allow him to clear the deck for any future speaker on the toughest and most difficult legislation to pass through the house republican conference including ensuring that the government is funded after the november 17th deadline and coming together with the democrats on a full spending bill in november, and ukrainian aid and israeli aid, and as the white house is planning to send up a supplemental request, and so that is why jordan may be planning to support this resolution to empower mchenry, but it is significant news that jim jordan is not expected to run on the floor for speaker today on the third ballot after he lost 20 and more members on the second ballot. john? >> i think it is safe to say that he is backing off and pushing for another vote today, because he was headed for a
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defeat, and bigger defeat. he was going to lose a third ballot, and now at least he has a pause, off ramp, and empowering patrick mchenry to serve as some type of speaker protem until january, lauren. there is a lot of let in there, and what does it mean that the house can and will not be able to do in the next two months? >> well, right now, because mchenry is in the interim role, the belief is that he did not have the power to bring the legislation to the floor of the house and not even a resolution to say that the house supported israel, and in a bigger and expanded role, he could bring the legislation to the floor, and acting as any other speaker would, and that is again so essentially because that government funding deadline is coming november 17th.
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that is going to give the lawmaker less than a month to figure out what to do and even if they want to move forward with a short-term resolution, at some point there has to be a ig beer conversation of how to fund the government for a longer period of time. and i would note that mchenry was the architect of the deal to set the cap numbers for the full year spending deal, and for the last several months mchenry has been warning that as the republican conference is having the squabbles of how the fund the government, the prediction is that they would end up back in what was included in the debt ceiling deal, and one of the big questions is what are the democrats going to do and would they support this resolution? they have openly signaled they would be supportive, but that they wants asurances that government is open, and promises on the ukrainian aid and israel
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lead, and the ties to the debt deal in may, the democrats have faith in him, but it is one of the outstanding questions that we have, john. >> yes, and the democrat from illinois told me, yeah, he would support empowering mchenry for some time, and that what the democrats have said, and the fine print, and they could get it in the next fut hours, and loft new things reporting here, and as you have reported, jim jordan is suggesting that he wants to be the speaker and might give it another try in january. of course, january is a long ways off, and we will have to wait and see, but he is not one to out and out quit, correct? >> yeah, that is interesting, and before this all came out, i did talk to warren davidson who is a close ally of jim jordan this morning, and he said that the conference needs time to
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heal. think of what has transpired within the last 16 days. a speaker oust and another candidate came to the forefront and won in a closed door meeting, steve scalise, and he could not get the votes, and he dropped out, because of the jordan detractors and then jim jordan was running, and lot of bad blood, and a lot of raw nerves in the words of warren david is that the thinking of jordan allies to give it some time, and jordan is not dropping out, but see if he can get there over the next several months. >> a whole lot of dysfunction is to put it another way. lauren fox, thank you very much. all right. coming up for us, we have new air strikes in northern gaza this morning. the idf says they have hit hundreds of targets, and we have new video coming in next.
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reported. i spoke with a doctor about what they are up against in southern gaza trying to treat patient, but he said that it is terrifying, because supplies are running out. also, we have news from israel. these are the pictures of two lives lo. the israeli american and her granddaughter who were thought to be hostages of hamas, but who have now been found dead according to their families. 80-year-old woman and her 13-year-old granddaughter were kidnapped from their kibbutz by hamas, and according to a relatives in the united states, their identity was confirmed by the ids. >> and now, as recently as this morning, there could be as many as 203 hostages in gaza, and
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this would be their 13th day in captivity. with me is retired general mark hertling, and we talk about what could be happening in terms of the ground invasion in gaza, but i wanted to ask you about how as you put together this slide, but what to expect from hamas. >> the new central team helped me to put this together, because we went through a couple of the after-action reviews from the 2014 operation protective edge. what struck me, john, everything that think tanks, scholars both in the u.s. and in israel said hamas was going to do, we have seen it so far. more rockets, and we know that, but expanding the tunnel complex, and we have seen it, and we have seen it in some of the maps that we have talked about, and expanding the land, air, and sea approach with the squads doing assaults on the
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cities with the great intelligence that you have all been reporting about is new tactics and technology that we have not seen a terror group do that at that level of sophistication yet at least in my career. and to get allies, and i misspoke this morning when i said pmc, but it is professional military groups coming from other countries like iran and iraq, and across the area, hamas wants to get more support for what they are trying to do, and this is finally the most interesting thing is to expand the victim doctrine which is the recurring phrase in a lot of the reports that date back to 2014. what is the victim doctrine? well, it is members of the terror groups and the surrounding areas saying that everything that happens that is not good, blame it on israel. denigrate their reputation as a nation state and especially the defense forces and the
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intelligence community, and we have seen it since day one of the operation and we have seen it in the last two days on the hospital, and as soon as it was attacked, this is the message, hey, israeli rocket, and proof indicates it is not. and so all of these things are coming to fruition. >> having the after-action reports, should it make it easier for israel to be more successful if there is a ground incursion or not? >> it should, kate, but it is called the after-action review and not lesson learned. the lesson learned means that you have learned it and incorporated. they have had the things to think about, but the things they are thinking about have come to fruition. >> all right. you know that stuff, and you know it, but what do you do if you are israel. >> going back to 2014 and operation protective edge, the israelis mobilized 70,000 soldiers and the main attack came into the north. this is in military when it has
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two arrows on the top of it, that is the main attack, and another lesson for you two, and they had supporting attacks in the center and the south, and we are starting to see the action in khan yunis, as you reported, and even at the rafah, and those are the three main cities where we saw the underground tunnels, and the thing that we don't know, when they put 70,000 mobilized troops in there, the fight was 50 days long. and 66 israeli soldiers lost their lives, and 2,100 palestinians lost their lives in the conflict, and it came to in a end due to the world saying that you are killing too many civilians. in the after-action review the other thing that was said and i didn't have it on the chart, but hamas said that we want to make it a longer conflict. with the amount of tunnels that they have in there, and the mobilization instead of 30, instead of 70,000, it is now 300,000. this is going to be a long and
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deadly conflict if israel does some of the things that people are expecting them to do. >> general mark hertling, it is always an education. >> thank you, general. still for us, as the conflict in israel, and the conflict between israel and hamas ramps up, anti-semitic attacks are on the rise around the world. and we will address that with israel's special envoy. also monitoring the breaking news on capitol hill, and as we were just told, no vote today for the house speaker. the house is still a mess, and still in paralysis, and what jim jordan is now reportedly leaning towards or maybe just finding an off-ramp to. that is still ahead.
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president biden is going to address the nation tonight in a rare oval office address. the subswreject is not just isr but also ukraine. this is a very good time to talk about how the u.s. opinions have shifted on both of the subjects. with us is the senior data reporter, and good to see you. a direct appeal from president biden, and let's start with israel. what are the current views of the voters of israel? >> i like this particular question, because it is giving us a time line. do your sympathies lying more with the israelis or the palestinians. >> and look at this. this is the highest level that quinnipiac has ever measure and compared to two years ago where it said the israelis and the palestinian behind it, so there
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is a massive jump for the israelis from the american public. >> and now, inside of the democratic caucus there are some critical of the u.s. support of israel, and what about the democratic voters as whole? >> well, break it down with the democratic voters do your sympathies lie with the israelis or the palestinian. it is a much larger vote from where we were two years ago where in fact, the plurality of the democrats sided with the palestinian at 46% to the israelis to 26%, so we have seen the massive shift overall which is drif ben ti massive shift that we have seen among the democrats responding to joe biden's such strong message in support of the israels. >> what has happened to joe biden's message? >> well, as we are going into
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the speech tonight, the thing that is so important to speech is how the vote is to be how positive they feel about him. look at the net job approval. he is 18 points underwater, and look at the u.s./mexico border, 18 points under water, and here in israeli/palestinian border, he is above, and so he is doing something right. >> it is night and day. thank you, harry. >> thank you. kate? >> the war in gaza has led to a spike in anti-semitic acts around the world. here in new york, it is a swastika found on the most iconic jewish delis here. in france, increased acts. and we are joined by mickle.
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and we have talked about this trend for a long time, and the increasing and spiked incidents of hate, and anti-hate specifically, and we are hearing from the advocacy groups of the hate of the jewish communities, and the muslim communities, and how do you count it down now? >> well, first, we have to be clear on what is happening, and you are right, the spike of anti-semitism is ongoing, and what october 7th did is to pull off all of the masks. and it pulled off the masks on college campuses and social media. anybody who cannot condemn the barbaric and savage acts of
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october 7th, is identifying with the savagery that enabled the regime to murder, rape and abduct, and empowered by the voices that excuse it, justify it, that deny it, and at the core of all of it is anti-semitism in the mutated form, and extreme form on university classes, and anti-zionism, and anybody who does not accept the state of israel, which committed to an nilat annilation of jews and anybody who is not committed to the stop
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of this, they are targeted. and we know that on our college campuses, jews are targeted. >> and now, one thing before october 7th, one thing that jews like to be pointed out that i can be supportive of judaism, but i don't have to be supportive of the policies of the government of israel. so is there a distinction in the minds going the other direction, do people separate jews from israelis? >> well, it is important question, because the criticism of any government in any country is healthy, because in any democracy, there is criticism of the government, and that is where the masks are off, because it is legitsation it is to say
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that if you hold up signs, it is not to do with criticism, and the genocidal terror that attacked jews on october 7th, does not see any place for a state of israel to exist in any borders. it is delegitimizes the existence and this is very important in the holocaust remembrance, and the differentiates of criticism and delegitization. >> and we have seen the demonstrations erupt around the globe since october 7th. i have heard you note in other conversations that the civilians in gaza are not the blame for
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the terrorism of hamas. you have three children who are currently serving in idf. in the midst of all of this, and what do you say to those, and we have heard from the demonstrators on the arab street who say that leadup to this, and this is the fault of israel how we got here. >> anybody who cares for the palestinians in gaza or anywhere else, and anybody who cares for peace, anybody who cares for humanity, needs to be speaking up unequivocally against one thing only, and that is the genocidal terror hamas who holds those palestinian in gaza has human shields, and their torture is much worse than we heard o but it is not only human shields, but human sacrifices, and no ability to conflate between palestinian and hamas,
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and we have to remember one proxy of a suicidal regime in iran alongside many other proxies fueled by the same genocidal, and understanding of our and so anyone who cares about palestinians has to understand that hamas is holding civilians as human shields, as weapons, and making sacrifices, to prevent them from arriving at the humanitarian corridors, and stealing the humanitarian avoid, and launched at them from dense ly populated areas committing war crimes in the world in which they live in. >> thank you for coming in. >> and to remind you, this is an
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speaker of the house, but what will there be? lauren fox is all over this on capitol hill. what's going on? >> reporter: yeah, so we are hearing from our sources both inside and outside of the meeting that jim jordan is saying that he will back this resolution to empower patrick mchenry temporarily. marjorie taylor greene just telling our colleague that the one thing to keep in mind here is that there are still a number of jordan allies, who believe that they think that jordan should be the permanent speaker. they don't like this idea of giving mchenry temporary powers. and they are going to be vote ing against it. that means that the democrats are essential here. because they are going to be needed if this plan were to move forward. if you want to pass this resolution, democrats are going to have to say yes. right now behind me, democrats are meeting in their own closed-door conference to have a discussion about how they want to proceed here. there are no guarantees that democrats are going to accept
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this plan. so i think that that is the dynamic you have right now. republicans divided over whether or not this is a good idea, despite the thfact that jordan signaling that he supports it. >> lauren fox on capitol hill, just how these republicans planned it. a way to give democrats more power. >> let's hold on five more minutes and see what happens. but regardless, lauren, thank you so much. thank you for joining us today. this is "cnn news central." "inside politics" is up next.
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