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>> and welcome to cnn news room's continuing coverage of israel at war, i'm michael holmes. it's 1 a.m. in atlanta, 8 a.m. in gaza where estimated one million more than that have been displaced by the war between israel and hamas but there's been a major news break regarding hostages. american woman and daughter undergoing medical evaluation in israel after being released by hamas on friday. judith and her daughter were visiting family at a kibbutz when they were taken hostage by hamas two weeks ago. lambs is believed to have holding 200 hostages.
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idf spokesperson had there to say after the women were released. >> these are the first two and what we see and what we know is that hamas is trying to paint itself as a human rights organization now by having given back two of the hostages. rockets are raining down on israel as i'm speaking and let's get back all the hostages and then we can speak with them. >> cnn katie joins me live from london with more on what was a surprising development. katie tell us more about how it all came about and what if anything we know about what hamas might have wanted in return. >> well, michael as always, hostage negotiations are incredibly complicated delicate and many parts of it not disclosed for safety of those involved but clearly there was a diplomatic success and really something the family had been
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hoping for praying for throughout this ordeal. have a listen to what natalie's father said about her release. >> i've been waiting for this moment for a long time, two weeks. i haven't been sleeping for two weeks will tonight i'm going to sleep good. i spoke with my daughter earlier today. she sounds very goods. she looks very good. she was very happy and she's waiting to come home. >> now, clearly as to why this happened, why these particular hostages were released there are still many questions. israel is saying it is because of military pressure they've put on hamas. hamas is offering saying it's because of humanitarian reasons that the mother judith had ill health and that was the reason for release. israeli forces say there was no humanitarianism in hamas and are calling them monsters this, back
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and forth we are seeing throughout the conflict that clearly is a sign of hope this is possible and we anoka tar the country has been a key role in mediating, the u.s. says they've been involved idf said from john kirby defense spokesperson said they've been very involved but mentioned qatar made the negotiations happen. in terms of the rest of the hostages that is going to be the priority for the u.s. administration and of course the israeli administration next. michael. >> yes, as you point out at the beginning a lot of chardz are close to chests in situations like this but what do we know about the negotiating and the status of the negotiations for other hostages? >> yes, there's a lot that's probably happening behind closed doors that we are not going to be aware of. ghee hamas put out a statement talking what they term friendly countries egypt annika tar to
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discuss release of foreign nationals. we know there are u.s. officials on the ground in israel israel helping make negotiations one saying they are hoping the release of these two made lead to the release of others and noted that nothing was exchanged for these two with lambs which is quite noticeable but in terms of what happened to the rest of the 200 hostages it's a huge number of people and worth noting 20 of them are under 18 and children. not only are the negotiations happening but the environment around them is incredibly fluid and we are seeing dire humanitarian situation on the ground in gaza so what's happening to these hostages whether they're not getting enough foods and water while they wait for elves unclear at there stage. michael. >> great reporting katie in london forries. with this threatening to spill
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over into the west bank and lebanon palestinian authorities report more than a dozen people including 5 children were killed by israeli airstrikes during a raid on a refugee bank in the west bank saying israel's northern border has been under pressure from lebanon since the war started. residents near the border are advised to evacuate. israel says about a hundred thousand israeli citizens have been been evacuated from their homes the past two weeks. and with me now from seoul, south korea is military analyst malcolm davis of the australian strategic policy to talk about the military side of things. good to see you. what will be the israeli military calculus for when many would say when if they go in on the ground what are the politte considerations and how is it complications by the hostages who remain? >> well thanks, michael.
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look. i think things are probably being delayed while we try this hostage negotiation approach to see if more hostages can be released. but ultimately i don't think it's going to be a case of the israelis choosing not to go in on the grounds. i think for the israelis to achieve their goal of the destruction of hamas and the removal of the threat it poses to israel they have to go in on the ground. but the challenges i think in terms of when they do it will be deck dated initially by diplomatic negotiations and secondly when is the operational battle space the environment really ready for an israeli advancement that's what the focus i think probably now is that the israelis are preparing shaping the battle space but they can't remain poised forever. they have to be able to be unleashed at some point once it becomes clear there's nothing else to be gained through
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negotiations. >> are there risks of an incursion being an emotional response to what was a brutal terror attack rather than a strategic move with defined achievable goals? what are the risks in that? >> look. i think every israeli, including every israeli soldier probably feels a sense of outrage and determination to fight back against hamas after what happened on october 7th. no one is doubting that but the israeli military are a highly professional, highly trained military. they will undertake military operations to achieve strategic operation analyzed and tactical outcomes that are in the interests of the israeli government. and they'll do it in a government that as much as possible follows the laws of armed conflict so it won't be a case of going in and slaughtering palestinians, it will be a case of israelis
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trying to diminnish between hamas on the one land and innocent palestinian civilians on the other, and the environment on the ground the nature of the train including a dense urban terrain will playing that exceedingly difficult and you've seen israeli airstrikes going in to attack hamas targets but unfortunately they are colocated with civilian areas. so it's going to be very difficult for the rail toys do this without causing further civilian casualties but i don't see the israelis going in for revenge. i see them going in for clear strategic military goals which is the destruction of hamas its removal from power in gaza and the end of the threat that it poses to israel. >> how would hamas have prepared in anticipation of an rally operation? i mean they would have known this was coming after what they perpetrated. advantages for the home force in this kind of scenario, what are
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they and what tactics might hamas employ and what preparations made? >> as you say, hamas are on the defensive and is quite often stronger to defend than going on the offensive, and in particular, in a dense urban environment, some of the advantages are with hamas. they can essentially lie in wait. they can establish large numbers of booby traps, ied's, mines, they with establish positions from which snipers can be employed to best effect but the most disturbing thing of all is they can utilize palestinian civilians as human shields and they can utilize hostages as human shields so what i'm saying is hamas can hide behind palestinian civilians and hostages to try and avoid israeli attack. and if anything, the hamas people want as many civilian
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casualties as possible. so i think the challenge for the israelis is going street to street house to house in a very dense urban environment all at the time trying to avoid running into these traps that the hamas group have set, trying to avoid killing civilians needlessly, and that's going to be a real challenge and hamas people i think will try to extract i think every possible tactical advantage from the terrain and the environment. >> malcolm always good to see you. thanks so much. malcolm dave nice thank you. >> israel saysets prepared for the possibility of its war against hamas becoming a broadser conflict. idf spokesperson told cnn has called up around 300,000 reservists to be ready in case wider regional tensions flared and idf has enforced troops along the northern border with lebanon where hezbollah has
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increasingly clashed with the israeli politte -- military over the past week. >> anything that happens from their sovereign territory they're responsible for and will be held accountable for. this is a sovereign state. it has control over its borders and they have the responsibility to make sure that terrorists like hezbollah a terrorist army does not launch attacks against israel. >> the palestinian authority prime minister has told cnn that blind support for israel has become a license for killing. mohammed says israel's mood for revenge after the terror attacks could result in the death of thousands more palestinian civilians and he told cnn's becky anderson he's particularly fearful as israel prepares to launch a potential grounds invasion of gaza. >> the condemnation should be of killing every human being that
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does not deserve to diechl more than 600,000 children have been slaughtered, more than 700 women. the general mood in israel today is a mood of revenge and i think this appetite for killing should be stop. no one single human being would like to see innocent people killed. >> you would be willing to say you condemn the attacks on october 7. why? >> well you see, palestinian story does not start on octoberth. palestinian catastrophe has been there for 75 years. we have been crying loud and we have been shouting loud and clear, we need a solution and what has happened yesterday is yesterday. the mood for revenge and ground operation which is going to cost 10,000 palestinian lives this is where the focus should be and we should stopped. >> your shocked surprised by the
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ferocity of the attack? >> everybody was shocked. this is something that has been unprecedent by all means. the israeli government has to be held responsible for what happened. the israeli government wants to keep people in gaza isolated. the people there were depressed. the people of gaza were unemployed and we have to make to provide for meaningful life to the people. that was not there. gaza was a zone that was shrinking every single day. the situation was shocking to everybody but the magnitude of distraction that we have seen today in gaza is something that is a criminal act. >> israel defense minister said his troops will soon see the inside of gaza, and i quote him on that. as israel's military reddies for the next stage just how concerned are you? >> very concerned.
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if israeli army goes into gaza with a ground operation, then our anticipation that thousands, additional thousands, maybe 10,000, 15,000 palestinians will be killed so we are more than concerned. >> what if president mahmoud abbas walked out or was it to be a scheduled summit in jordan? >> what happened at the hospital was a horrific scene will we ask one question. is united states ready to say to the israelis stop the incursion, stop the attacks? we were not sloord on that. therefore any meeting became meaningless and we the jordanians and the americans did fully understand that president abbas had to walk away and they also paid condolences to the loss of lives at the hospital. >> the u.s. has been absolutely
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clear that israel has a right to defend itself and it will support israel in its efforts to destroy hamas, whatever it takes. your thoughts on that. >> the support of israel blindly a license for killing. i hope that united states does not go into that direction. israel is not in existential threat. parties should sit down and work together for a peaceful solution. encouraging israel to destroy the people of gaza is not going to bring a solutioning look at the pictures and look at the pictures. who lab killed in gaza in women children old men women, this is not a war on hamas. this is a war on palestinian people wherever they are in gaza
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west bank and jerusalem. >> what is the the role of the united states securing a fair and just future for the palestinian people? >> if they have the will they can do it, but very unfortunately i'm very frank with you to say that i don't think the current american administration last the political will to end the conflict. they're managing it without them. without them there is no solution. with them only there, is no solution. so what you need is a collective international effort. those who have landed in tel aviv to show support for israel. unfortunately have been given the greenest of the green light for israel to continue its attack on gaza. international support should be for peace. international support should not be for aggression. >> when we come back here on the program no demonstrations in the
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pleased where on the people people protest israel strikes on gaza and the palestinians caught in the middle. also still to come israeli forces say stle worried about a possible hot spot for hamas in the west bank. we will be right back.
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>> the israel defense forces warning about a hot spot for hamas in the west back. the newest referee camp in tukaram, israeli force left the area after 12 people were killed in a raid 20 arrested. they say it was part of operation to get more information on hamas. protestors meanwhile in full force against the israel recent attacks on gaza. >> [shouting] >> now this is at the rafa border crossing between egypt and gaza where humanitarian aid banned for gaza has been held up for days. u.s. president joe biden says it's finally expected to reach
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gaza this weekend or some of it as conditions worsen, resources in gaza dry up and israel continues its airstrikes against hamas. more and more protests are happening across the middle east. senior international correspondent ben wedeman is in beirut with a closer look. >> death to america. death to israel shouts the plaster of ceremonies who rally beirut southern suburbs. to a crowd of a few hundred supporters of hezbollah and shia ally who don't want to be passive by standers to the blushed in gaza. they want the resistance to liberate palestine. words and slogans like these are not new but at the death toll in gaza soars, passions are reaching the boiling pointerier there week twice process in
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order of beirut tried to reach the american embassy stopped only by fire police with tear gas and water cannon. image of unauthorize evidence demonstrations to stop the israel war in gaza, in georgia where roots are traced back to palestine they call in the government to shut the israeli and american embassies but in lebanon it's not only protests on the border with israelites just a notch below war. in south lebanon every day hezbollah is striking israeli targets 4, 5, 6 times a day. mere in beirut they're holding rallies talking about doing more but so far just talk. hezbollah main backer iran starting to open a new front.
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notely silent is lebrohezbollah hasn't said a thing since the war began. the answer would come later he advised. daily hezbollah attacks on the border a hint what the answer could be the ben wedeman. >> joe biden speaks with two american hostages freed by hamas. more on how the white house is reacting to their release, when we come back.
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>> the brother of one of the two american hostages freed by hamas says his sister may be heading home to the slick area early next week. he spoke to cnn about the moment he learned about the release. >> it was just a surreal thing. i was waiting the first two hours of the day before i jumped on all these things i've been doing for natalie just for myself. i was playing a video game. all of a sudden i'm getting his texts that they're coming back. >> natalie ranan and mother judith reynolds on friday in agreement brokered by qatar. they were held captive in gaza by hamas nearly two weeks will the hand over of the political hostages is a political win of sorts for the biden administration. kayla has more from the white house. >> president biden speaking by phone with the two hostages
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freed by hamas, judith and natalie ranan. he said he was overjoyed at their release and told reporters the call went well. in a statement he said he pledged the full support of the u.s. government and said our fellow citizens have endured a terrible ordeal the past 14 days and i'm overjoyed they'll soon be reunited with their family. it's a rare triumph for the administration after two weeks of violence and tensions in the middle east and while there is relief that these two hostages have been freed there are still ten american hostages who remain, according to the administration, and secretary of state antony blinken says the work to free them will continue. >> we share in the relief that their families friends and loved ones are feeling but there are
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still ten additional americans who remain unaccounted for in this conflict. we know that some of them are being held lodge by hamas along with an estimated 200 other hostages held in gaza. they include men, women, young boys, young girls, elderly people from many nations. every single one of them should be released. >> secretary blinken thanked the qatary government to help free the hostages until qatar several members of hamas leadership are based there. the administration has not been willing to share more details about its involvement or conversations to free the other hostages saying that that work continues. >> that was cnn's senior white house correspondent kayla reporting for us. the world health organization
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expressing concern over reports that israel has ordered the evacuation of a major hospital in gaza. the administration of the al quds says the israeli army has demanded medevac weighs of the hospital in preparation for a nighttime strike. asked to comment idf said it request residents in northern gaza to evacuated quote in order to mitigate civilian harm. w. this o.s. it would be impossible to carry out since it houses 12,000 displaced people and hundreds of patients. >> where to should they walk on the street where the bombardment on the hospital is happening? should they walk kilometers to the south or should they walk to the north? >> my next guest is with the
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french doctors with out borders. this talk of 20 trucks perhaps going in with supplies, it's tiny isn't it vs. the need. i think 400 or so trucks would go into gaza before this conflict. >> yes, michael. msf we welcome any progress at all in borders to allow in humanitarian supplies as we know it's critical at this point we get in lifesaving medical supplies but as you say 20 trucks is really a very inadequate number for the more than 2 million palestinians in urgent need of basic essentials like water shelter food medical supplies so we are hoping that this 20 is just the start in that hundreds of trucks can follow in the coming days on the provision of course that we have
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the security to enable that humanitarian convoy to enter. >> yes because it can go into rafah it's got to get into the mid and northern areas as well. what are you he from msf staff and civilians inside? no doubt it's a desperate humanitarian crisis but speak to the scale of it for civilians. >> yes, indeed. it's relentless, indiscriminate bombing being described by the 300 staff that msf staff has in gaza. we have 20 international staff inside gaza although because of the security situation we have largely had to suspend our coordinated medical activities. regardless we know many of our doctors and flursz go to work in hospitals where they're uncertain about their own personal safety but they're torn will they're not prepared to
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abandon those patients that are in those hospitals. as we know and as you just mentioned being skdz to evacuate a hospital in a situation like this is really a death sentence to those patients. those doctors -- >> finish your thought. >> i was going to say doctors are telling us they're seeing between 800-1,000 people each day in need of emergency support mainly women and present who are presenting with trauma injuries shrapnel wounds burns and in some cases crushed limbs and that's just the ones who can reach a hospital so the picture being painted for us of the civilian casualties are enormous, unprecedented. >> and you mention the staff and the work they're doing which is admirable work and a lot of them are worried about their own families as well. when it comes to the medical
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situation, 50 i think it's 50 women a day are giving birth in gaza. i think 200 were going to this month. there's no medicine reportedly not even painkillers going in. what's the situation with that? that's almost unimaginable no pain killers but also the ability to sterileize equipment even if a operating theser is able to operate. >> exactly so what we are presented with hospitals unable to operate because of lack of fuels, no medical supplies, drinking water and we are hearing stories of surgeons having to inform operations without painkillers, truly inhumane conditions, unimaginable weeks ago. >> we are talking about the basics of life, water shut off by israel and the beginning of the conflict and even if it's turned on, electricity is needed for it to pump.
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the u.n. is estimating 1.4 million people have been displaced forced from their homes and lives. where have they gone? what if any resources do they have to access when they get to wherever it is they're going? >> yes. we are hearing similar numbers. roughly 60 percent of the population of the gaza strip is currently displaced many sleeping outdoors without shelter without access to food and water. where are they going, really goods question because many of them feel unsafe to be able to evacuate to the south of gaza particularly as the south itself continues to be bombed so we have no safe passage, no safe haven for people yet they're being asked to evacuate hospitals so it is really a humanitarian dilemma that speaks to the need after cease-fire if any progress is going to be made. >> i mean it's clilg to hear
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some of the doctors everything to perform or treatment patients with no painkillers or anesthetic but the other thing i wanted to ask you lost in that broader dire humanitarian situation i was thinking about the plight of throws with chronic illness needing lifesaving medicines dialysis or other medicines. >> exactly. msf has been working in gaza more than 30 years and typically we provide that specialist support in loss to be able to treat who have chronic needs as well. we are really concerned those people who require that support are not getting it and that without that sustained medical assistance it's a life and death situation. the families, the friends, the colleagues for them this is a very distressing time and we recognize tin credible work being done by let's workers on the ground despite the risk to their own personal safety and
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security at this time. >> simon with msf thank you for your time and the work that your organization and others are doing truly lifesaving work. thanks, simon. >> thanks, michael. >> all right. quick break here. when we come back, we will take you inside a settlement not far from gaza that attacked by hamas. for the first time journalists were allowed to go in there. our special report coming up.
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>> an israeli airstrike aimed at hitting hamas ends with the fallout from the blast killing people who sought shelter inside a clutch in gaza. have a look at the damage left behind at a greek orthodox church campus in gaza city, the strike rained down on thursday right next door causing one of the church buildings to collapse
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according to cnn analysis. >> they came in to escape the airstrikes and destruction. they thought they were safe here. the destruction followed them. >> the plan ministry of health said 17 people were killed following israeli airstrike, we can't independently confirm those casualty numbers. now it's a settlement near gaza that was lit when hamas launched its surprise attack on israel 14 days ago. journalists were unable to go inside the kibbutz in southern israel for security reasons until now. anderson cooper went to the place. signs of attack all around. that the why some of the video is tough to watch. >> it was one of the first kibbutzes attacked. security cameras showed them entering with automatic weapons
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and rpg's. when we visited this week the carnage was clear no family no home here was untouched by terror. peoples possessions are strewn around left behind by men looted and killed for more than 7 hours. the silence now sounds sickening. a breeze blows through broken windows, flies buzz in the debris. the residents who survived are gone. only some cats have returned. every home it seems has been defiled. family photos remain on the fridge. the people who lived here hid in their safe room. lucky for them, the door held strong. >> you can tell gunmen tried to pry this door open. this handle has nearly been pulled off from tugging it. the lock held. it looks like they tried to pry open the door as well. you can fit your hand through here. they can just maybe looking but
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they couldn't actually break through there door. >> around back, we checked the window of the safe room. inside, the bed and sheets are soaked with blood. one member of the family who hid here was wounded but he had and they survived. but according to the idf about a quarter of the 400 people who lived in near oz are dead or missing. in another house in kibbutz gun men broke in. they killed a woman. they got access to her facebook account and live streamed an image of her lying in a pool of blood on the ground so that her friends and family could see. this is levinson. she was 74 years old and her neighbors were in their 70s. they lived there more than 50 years. we found their home completely torched. dishes still in the washer.
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they hid in their safe room whether the gun men came. her granddaughter says adina messaged her family they were okay. >> my grandmother was very, very strong. she didn't want us to be panicked. >> they were worried about you. >> yeah. she was this kind of woman. she always took care of us. >> inside the safe room there was reason to panic. a pool of dried blood evidence of what happened. david moshe was slot and killed holding on to the handle to prevent them from being in. >> he was a hero. he was slot. there were three gunshots on the door as they proceed to break through. >> they attacked adina out through a window.
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she appeared sandwiched between vehicles in gaza. the daughters of dan and noya were identified there week. her former son-in-law is still missing as are two of his children. there video shows aris being drag away by gun men, appearing to have blood on his hand. we located where the video was slot. this is the last known location of calderon. he was 12 years old. he was kidnapped by gun men and video taped as they were dragging him in there direction. there is the fence to the kibbutz. gaza is only about a mile and a half away. can you see an explosion that the just taken place in gaza off in the distance. so the gunmen didn't have far to take him to get him back to
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gaza. >> there's video of shiri being kidnapped clutching her two children. her husband is missing. we talked to her cousin last week. >> i want my family back. i want my family back. i'm trying to be strong and stoic and speak clearly but i'm devastated. >> all of the families of niraz are devastated. david was buried there this week. list granddaughter wanted to us see a video that was played at his funeral at a celebration at the kibbutz earlier there year. that's david singing. he's joined by other members of the kibbutz. >> he's singing the first sentence. this is what the song means. "time will fix the bridge.
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you're allowed to be afraid and you're allowed to be sick, but tomorrow we can rebuild and rec recover". ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> anderson cooper cnn, niraz.
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u.s. house republicans have no clear path forward after jim jordan once again failed to get enough support to secure the speakership. several republicans have now jumped into the race but it is unclear if any can get to 217 votes needed to win. cnn's manu raju with more. >> reporter: nearly three weeks since kevin mccarthy's ouster as speaker of the house. republicans have been unable to figure out how to move forward. as a result, everything in the house is paralyzed. no legislation can be acted upon until a speaker is named. that means aid to israel, aid to ukraine, taking steps to avoid a mid-november shutdown. none of that can happen because republicans are battling with
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each other and divided over their strategy, angry about everything that has transpired over the last two weeks, and making very clear that they are at a much different pages on how they should pick up the pieces and figure out what their strategy is in the aftermath of the unprecedented ouster of a sitting speaker at the hands of his own colleagues. now, jim jordan who was the speaker candidate who dropped out on friday after the third ballot showed that he was hemorrhaging republican support. he lost 25 republicans and a public vote on the third ballot for him to be speaker of the house. on the first two, he lost 20 on the first one. 22 on the second one. he could only afford to lose four to be elected speaker. when he went behind closed doors, the verdict was pretty clear. the majority voted in a secret ballot election to say that jordan should drop out. as a result, jordan dropped out. now republicans are trying to figure out who can leave this badly divided republican
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conference. members came out of that closed door meeting made clear that they were frustrated, angry, and they needed to figure out a way forward or they could be the minority come 2025. >> america has real problems. this is a time where we need people interested in problem solving. not self-aggrandizement. it is time for big boys and big girls to stop with the nonsense and get back to work for the united states. >> i think it was a mistake for the republican conference to walk away from the most popular republican in the republican party. we shouldn't have done that. >> reporter: sunday at noon eastern, that's the deadline for candidates to put their hats in the ring to decide whether or not they are actually going to run for speaker. and it is a free-for-all. the list is seven members now and growing about who actually may run for speaker of the house. we'll see who ultimately decides to run. some may bow out. some members may decide to run. the process is this. on monday there will be a
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meeting of the full republican conference. members will make their pitch about why they believe they should be the speaker of the house. on tuesday there will be a closed door meeting in the morning. a secret ballot election to decide who should get the nomination to be speaker. that would require a majority of the republican conference. but not a majority of the full house. therefore, the person who gets the nomination may run into the same problems with jim jordan ran into. that steve scalise, who was nominated to be speaker after kevin mccarthy to be pushed out, that scalise ran into. winning the majority but not the full house. that will be the real challenge for these candidates. we'll see what emerges. kevin mccarthy himself put his name behind, an endorsement behind the house republican whip who is running for the job. there are several others in the race as well. unclear how this will ultimately shake out or whether it will lead to more days of chaos and paralysis in the house gop.
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cnn, capitol hill. an attorney accused of helping the trump campaign with its 2020 fake electors plot has struck a plea deal with prosecutors. kenneth cheeseboro pleaded guilty to a felony count of conspiracy. he must serve five years of probation, pay $5,000 in restitution and testify in future cases. a plea deal for another defendant, sidney powell was made on thursday. thanks for spending part of your day with me. you're watching cnn newsroom. my friend and colleague has another hour of coverage on the war in israel after the break.
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