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>> i am laura coates, another tragic night in america after another mass shooting. 22 people reported dead and multiple shootings in lewiston, maine. telling cnn that 50 to 60 people are reported injured, though it is unclear how many are injured due to gunfire. the police have identified 40 year old robert card as a person of interest in the shooting. he is described as a certified firearms instructor and a reserves. the u.rmy law enforcement officials are saying in maine that he recently reported mental health issues, including hearing voices, and made threats to shoot up eight national guard base in main. he should be considered armed and dangerous. there is, right now, a very intensive manhunts that is underway.

police are asking residents to shelter in place. >> police are currently searching for robert card, four foot four of 1983 of boat and. card is considered armed and dangerous. he is a person of interest, however, and that is what we will label him as moving forward, until that changes. if people see him, they should not approach card or make contact with him in any way. >> joining me now, the mayor of auburn, maine, jason levesque. remember, auburn middle school is the location of the reunification center identified by that commissioner of public safety at that press conference just a little while ago. mayor, thank you for joining us tonight. this is an unbelievable tragedy that is unfolding. what can't you tell us about that reunification center, tonight? what are you hearing from members of your community? >> well, thank you for this well wishes and having me on. we are hearing a lot obviously,

it is a very trying, emotional time for all of us. people have known for years, coming in, but thankfully this is a reunification, so a lot of pauses, a lot of happiness coming out of this for what it is worth. so, there are a lot of horror stories, but more telling is what you don't hear, and that is the silence coming from people that were there witnessing everything. >> the idea of there being some joy in the reunification that you have, of course, the bitter sweetness of those waiting to hear about what happened to their loved ones. you recognize members of the community? are you seeing anyone that is learning the fate of their loved ones? >> yes, i am. and it is hard for me and it is hard for them, obviously. it is hard for the entire community. auburn and lewistown are side by side, we are -- a river separates us. combined, our population is around 60,000. you cannot help but know people

who know someone, so this will impact every corner of our community. >> are they saying, the witnesses tonight who are at the center, are they saying what happened in the bowling alley or the restaurant? >> they are. i am talking to a few of them. it is really -- again, it is almost discombobulated these pieces. a gentleman i just talked to playing corn hole goes, i heard a couple pops and another couple pops, but didn't think anything of it, it is halloween. then he started seeing everybody scream and move, and that was the piece of that evening for him and his sight, thankfully he was fine. so, we are happy for him. >> you must have others who are describing even seeing things up close, are you hearing from people who are eyewitnesses to those who were killed? >> yes, i am, but some of those things shouldn't be shared. >> it must be very traumatic,

mayor, to think about how you began your day as the members of the community began their day, their evenings, and where we are right now. it is not lost on me that this center is a middle school and we are learning that children were present at that bowling alley at the very least. our children at the reunification center, as well? >> there are a couple, yes, with their parents, thankfully. so, that was very smooth for them. i mean, as smoothest as possible. everything here is traumatic. you have to put it into perspective, i suppose, there are different levels of trauma. there was -- there were youth that were injured, i will say that, and hopefully we will find out more as the night and day goes on. >> can you give me a sense of the ages of the people who were present at that bowling alley? >> a sense? anywhere from probably 12 to 90.

and everywhere in between. >> when you are hearing the people who are going to the center, can you tell me when they are going, are people going there to get information, are they part of a collective grieving process of what has happened and the trauma of it all? who are you finding at this center? >> we are finding -- we were doing a good job, if you would, organizing everything and making sure that communication lines are open and consistent. so, when they come in here, we have shock trauma specialists on staff, we have members of our religious community here providing counseling and support, but it is in, it is out, it is relief, if you would, and then go home, go to bed. tomorrow is another day, and we have to move on. we have to deal with healing on an individual and community level, and that will start now,

but really starts tomorrow, as well. >> in so many ways, mayor, the adrenaline that you and your community are running on is probably guiding a lot of what is happening right now. there is the realization as it settles in that this happened outside of your community. of the younger people injured, how did you know they were injured? did some come in, or you were told this? >> i talked to his grandfather, actually, who was there. he was with him. i know this family, and it is a good family. the thing is, this is maine, this is central maine, we persevere. we can take a lot. we will get through this and together, that is the important thing. so, we will really focus in on that in the next couple of days. we will hug the people that need to be hugged, absolutely. we will rally around and come out better, stronger, more unified as a community. and we will mourn our loss and

do it together as a family. >> that sense of community is so important at a time like this and any other time. i am curious of people who may not know central maine very well or your community of auburn, in particular, is there a medical facility in your town, or if not, is there a closer one? where are people going? >> thankfully, we have the central medical center, which is -- has a great trauma unit. they were a mile away from the incidents, maybe two miles, so they are well prepared. they were the main triage place. we also, within 30 minutes, have medical center in portland. we have made general in augusta, another 30 minutes away. we also have a very good sense of life operations, to. so we can hilo folks around very quickly if they need urgent care, and they have an active tonight. >> it is a wednesday night in your community. was there a special event

happening at the bowling alley or restaurant where there would have been more people than normal? >> it is a normal wednesday. just a normal wednesday. kids bowling in a polling leak, you know? before they go to bed and get up for school tomorrow, it is a normal day. >> there is a police presence, obviously, looking for this person of interest. how looped and have you've been, and what information have they provided for you and for members of your community to aid in the capture of this person. >> we have communication going out to the community, to the media, through our own municipal communication tool, the. notifications, pictures, names, we have areas we are working, and and it is not just auburn or lewistown, but we have law enforcement officials from all over the state, right now, including national assets, to.

so, staying looped in as much as i need to be looked in on this one, i think, our first priority right now -- my mind is making people aren't reunified and making sure the morning process can happen. i have full faith and trust in our law enforcement to bring him to justice very swiftly and decisively. >> mayor lévesque, thank you so much. i know you don't want to be ahead of what the families are going through. the mommy and me -- the mommy in me has got to ask, are you aware that any lives of children have been lost this evening? >> no. no, i am not. and i hope and pray that it doesn't come to that. i know one highschooler, who went to high school with my 17-year-old son, that was wounded. my prayers go out to him and his family who i know. and i hope that is the extent of it. >> we certainly do, as well. and we hope that he will recover. are the ones such that he believes he will? >> yes, absolutely.

this reported just got back from the family about 30 minutes ago is very promising. >> thank, god. mayor, thank you so much for taking the time. i know this is a very difficult time. the word that sticks in my mind, you talked about earlier, was empathy and providing it and understanding it, and to the community that is surrounding all these families and the community that is surrounding you now, as well. thank you so much. >> thank you, goodnight. >> i want to bring in cnn's josh campbell. he is a former supervisory special agent with the fbi. josh, it is surreal. just hearing that mayor say these words sticks with me. it was just a normal wednesday, laura. just a normal wednesday. so many of these stories, these mass shootings, begin with that very day, that very thought. and so many communities across this country, and tonight, early morning and in the hours of this community, there is a man hunt underway tonight, josh. what do we know about this

person of interest? we are seeing a picture of him on the screen. >> you are right, laura, to further that line of thinking, 22 lives, 22 people, woke up this morning and are no longer with us. you have yet another community here in the united states that is grieving the loss of their own. again, 22 people, numerous others injured who are receiving treatment after authorities say that this 40-year-old individual went to two particular places that we know of. there was a bowling alley, there was a bar, and you mentioned how this could happen anywhere. people just living their lives, but to think about those venues. places of entertainment, of joy that were struck by gunfire. what we are learning about this shooter is that he, according to law enforcement sources telling cnn, is a military reservist in the u.s. army. he was a firearms instructor, so this is someone who would presumably have great proficiency in the use of a firearm. we show that photo that we have. this is what police have put out, an image of the suspect at

one of those locations holding that high powered assault style rifle. the reason we show you this is because authorities want this image to get out there. if people see this person and know who this is, or know anything about him, his whereabouts, they want to hear from you. and certainly from members of the community, as this man continues, if you see any individual matching the description, authorities are saying he should be considered armed and extremely dangerous, do not approach him. in addition to those victims that we talked about, laura, you now have numerous members of this area, at this community, that are sheltering in place. certain areas in a state of lockdown, just to ensure their own safety asked this manhunt continues. finally, thus far we have learned new leads about where precisely authorities are looking. we know that federal state, local law enforcement have flooded into that area to try and assist with this man hunt. but of course, this is happening now in the middle of the night under the cover of darkness, making it that much more difficult, but extremely serious situation ongoing in maine. >> you made a point that is so astute, i really want to underscore it, here.

why the pictures and why the law enforcement community is showing the pictures, not only the one you see on your screen right now of the person of interest, but what that person of interest looks like today. you can see, if you put it back up for a second, the hair length is longer than they picture on the screen, perhaps the built could be different, the facial hair seems to be distinct, as well. so, just looking at the style and what the person looks like in the moment can be really the difference for people to look and say, do i know the person in this photograph to the bottom left of my screen, or have i seen the person that is in the center of this image highlighted right now? this is why it is important to have it in realtime. you have also mentioned, josh, it is the middle of the night. it is dark. you are talking about communities in central maine that are not skyscrapers everywhere. we are talking about trees. thick, forests, potentially. how does this complicate the man hunt, as so many main communities right now are

locked down? >> it is extremely difficult. the sad reality is, when you have a man hunt type situation, the way authorities get on to that individual, if it is not through their own intelligence, is either through a setting from a member of the public or that individual tries to engage another target, another group of people, which is certainly something that authorities don't watch to happen. so, they are scouring this area, but again, this making it much more difficult that you have this town surrounded by a roll area. so, authorities have a lot to contend with. coupled with the fact that we have been reporting, this is someone who has weapons proficiency, was a firearms instructor, and so if he is able to secrete him self in the woods or around that area, authorities themselves have to be on guard. if you have someone with that kind of firearms proficiency, they have to be careful searching this area. so, this is going to happen and be very methodical. authorities now happen to bring in all these resources, not only the officers there on the ground, but we are also told that they are searching by air

or due to the proximity of this location to the nation of canada. we can expect border guards there also on alert with this individuals photograph just to be alert in case they happen to detect him. the last thing i want to circle back to is, we often try to give publicity to the shooters and try to show their faces and talk about their names, but it is so important at this time, because we know that tips from the public to help. just two years ago, i was in -- i have covered so many shootings, you and i both, laura, what i was as out of chicago in highland park, illinois. authorities to just what they are doing here. they pushed the suspects information out, it was a concerned member of the public who saw that in the media, called police, authorities were able to quickly launch a rapid response swat team and take that person into custody. so, if you are watching this right now, do not discount your ability to provide information to authorities that they can go on. and after this resolution happens, however this turns out, we know that typically there are three ways, either the suspect will be taken into custody peacefully, sometimes they are engaged by police and

our shot, sometimes they opt to take their own lives. again, all of us and police are certainly hoping for the most peaceful resolution they can to bring this person into custody, but there will be a lot of questions about where the potential warning signs with the suspect were. he was reporting that he had some type of mental health issues. i will see, as i have been seeing throughout the night and as we always say, just because someone has a mental of issue does not mean that they will go on to commit a crime. we do not want the stigmatize asian of mental health to continue. it is important because we live in this area particularly where this was an army reservist, they are on guard for these so-called insider threats. you are supposed to pay attention to potential warning times -- signs like this. as anyone in the community should. do we will have to look for those warning signs to figure out, was there something there that authorities have gotten early on, that's of course, no comfort to those who are grieving the loss of their family members and loved ones and friends, tonight. certainly, a lot of work ahead of police moving forward, as this man hunt continues, laura.

there's more on the breaking news tonight out of maine. officials telling us that elise 22 people have been killed in two separate mass shootings. one arrest drop another at a bowling alley with children inside. there is a massive manhunt underway right now for peterson of interest and they have a name. robert card he, is on your screen right now. here with me right now national security analyst and former homeland security official juliette cayenne. also law enforcement analyst and deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe. juliette, i want to begin with you because we have been hearing all night these communities all-round lewiston analyst included are on lockdown. they have been told to shelter in place. this complicates things for law enforcement. why? >> there is a variety of reasons. first of all, i do want to say

how unsafe this is for law enforcement. i have analogy, somewhat similar to the boston marathon bombings and what you have a community that goes on lockdown, law enforcement are then vulnerable because of a person or suspects who are going to kill and willing to kill long forsman as well. the challenge now for the community that is under stress and feeling and dealing with this tragedy now under lockdown we see the pictures of the college that are under lockdown and other areas, is when you lift it if you don't find him? this is the challenge we had here in massachusetts as well. if he's not found by tomorrow morning say, eight or nine, or ten a.m., he can't keep communities locked down for this long. it's just not sustainable. then you equate to have to open up knowing that this very violent person is still amongst

them. this is going to be the challenge for the community, the state, the governor, and what we do know now at least in the last couple of minutes, the suspect has ties to other states including mine in massachusetts, so you have other states deploying as we are here in massachusetts, state police at the borders to make sure he is not making his way elsewhere in the united states. he also have that fortification in canada as well. but this issue of lockdown and it's not just in the united states. european cities have done lockdowns after major terror attacks and even when they do -- don't find the terrorists they have to open up. that could be a risk for the community but not now, but sometime tomorrow we are gonna have to make a decision about how long you can keep the community lockdown. >> andrew, on that point if a lockdown is in place which it is right now, that means that

people are not going to be walking around, so this person of interest could conceivably also be sheltering in a location so as not to draw attention to himself as a lone person providing he is in a place. but you also have this fear that juliette speaks about. as law enforcement, how do you make that decision as to when to do it, as it in different parts of the community and you're searching in and out of different houses, very lifting it all potentially at once? >> so i think the easiest way to think about this is to rethink back to, i'm sure you remember this well because you and i spent an evening standing where this man was arrested. i'm speaking about the man hunt in pennsylvania about a month ago. similar guidance was pushed out to the communities after that

prison escape. it kind of turns from an all out lockdown to just a cautionary guidance in the community to say, you should stay in your residents with the doors locked for as often as you can, and you should report any sort of sightings to law enforcement. the other side of that coin is that it does as you say laura forces that person who is on the run to also seek cover, at least during daylight hours, either in heavily wooded areas or by potentially invading a home or a family might be present. and we know that's exactly what happened in pennsylvania. the individual in that case broke into numerous houses, one of whom a family was asleep at the time. they knew he was down in the kitchen. so you could potentially force a very volatile situation like that. i think one of your earlier guests tonight said we should be prepared for a longer term manhunt that may take several

days or even longer to find this individual. i think that is probably a good way to think about it. that's not what anybody wants, but we may be in that situation already. we know he's been able to move away from lewiston. we know he's dumped his, kari maeve being able to pick up our steel another form of transportation. but he is definitely on the run from what you know as will be a very serious and dangerous interaction with law enforcement in which he is in the best-case scenario looking at spending the rest of his life in jail. steve a very dangerous and desperate person on their hands. >> juliette, in addition to all the things and you just mentioned, if we are seeing these alerts on our phones, and televisions, however you are consuming it, he likely has a cell phone, likely also has access to the fact that he has been identified at least as a person of interest. how does that change the man hunt? >> so one of the interesting in

perversely, is the extent he wanted to be identified. so this is going to go into how we think about active shooters. he doesn't want to be killed, he doesn't commit suicide, is totally exposed, he knows these pictures are being taken, he knows this is part, of andrew and i've talked about this, this performative nature of these mass killings now. each one gets look at me, look at me whether they are announced online beforehand or whether they call their father and say i'm going to do this. this is now truly performative. >> and by the way, his face is not covered. he knows this at this point. >> totally knows it within five second summit is identifying him because of those pictures. he knows we're gonna know his history, the military history, his mental health history whatever it is. we now know's family, his friends where he was seen, we

know he has ties to other states. it's that piece of it that would be worrisome to me from a law enforcement perspective, because as you want the and to be performative as well. this is the nature of these kinds, the nature of a pool of young men, generally youngest man always white in these cases that these become performative, a theater for them, so my worry looking at this as andrew was saying, is we are going to have a long >> i think you frozen for a second there. i'm gonna get to and drawn that very point, because i wonder what you make of the locations here. the performative actions that juliette speaking of is really striking and makes your spine sort of shaking shiver for a moment thinking about the psychology that would go into engaging in something like this. but what do you make of this

selection of the locations? do you have insight as to what that might be indicative of? >> i don't think we have much insight into that right now. what we do know historically is that the locations are very rarely completely random. they are typically chosen for one reason or another. sometimes the shooter was trying to access a certain poodle of victims. we have seen shooters who are motivated by racism, stores in neighborhoods where they feel like they can find the people there looking for. we had a shooter in memphis a few months ago who went back to the school she attended as a child. so my guess is that these two locations of some sort of significance or meaning to the shooter, but honestly, looking at it at this point with as little as we know about his background, it's hard to say what that is. on the surface they appear to

be to really unconnected, not even closely located to each other, they're about four miles apart. one's a bowling alley, the others a bar. it's hard to think about those two separate places sharing the same kind of groups of victims. we really need to know more laura about what his intent was, who or what he may have been looking for. i suspect once we learned that, the significance of those locations will become clear. >> and by the way, it's not just for the sake of curiosity, part of that is because this is an ongoing threat, and understanding why he may have chosen certain targets might give insight into where he might be going next door what he's looking at gives some insight into the question everybody is asking tonight which is also why? andrew mccabe, thank you so much. juliette cayenne as well. we are going to be right back everyone with much more on our

breaking news tonight. 22 people reported dead in multiple mass shootings and lewistown, maine. the police are hunting for what they call a person of interest. 40 ear old robert card and they say do not approach, do not make contact if you see this individual. he is armed and dangerous they say.

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casualty shooting event, and they are working with other area hospital to try to take in patients. want to bring in dr. arthur anthony cardio, who is in him as director at vienna medical center. doctor, thank you for being with us this evening. the scope of what is at stake tonight, what has to happen in these facilities to assess and identify what level of care to provide, how to prioritize it. it is overwhelming to think about it, let alone to execute in this way. when you see the kind of weapon that was used in this shooting, what kinds of wounds would you expect the patients to have? >> that's a great question. certainly, even if we have one victim in a shooting of this caliber wedding, it exhausts all of our resources. essential medical the closest

level trauma center is in portland 45 minutes away. sal starts with ems arriving at the scene, having mass casualties and unfortunately having an unsecured seen. a scene where a suspect is still at large, meaning that there are patients languishing undying waiting for ems to save and rescue them and start treating them. he can't do that because the scene is not secure. so starts with ems trying to secure the scene and access the patients. once they get access to the patients, the, trauma teams are at all the local hospitals and the ems professional start doing triage to determine unfortunately who cannot be saved forces who has a chance of survival. a triage process begins we, must have come across dozens of patients with this amount of people have been killed and the mood. that is a tragedy for any ems personnel to encounter. for challenging to start that process of tragic. and it's a question of which medical centers do bring these

patients to. we do activate the medical centers so they are getting all the doctors nursing staff geared up and ready to receive these patients at the centers. also for triage work to patients go? they get airlifted go to nate medical center important, of the committee brought safely to central maine where their injuries aren't as severe. we also have trauma teams. 24-hour trauma teams come in. these are combination of surgeons, anesthesiology, radiologists, emergency physicians to do there to deal with the share number of patients. as you mentioned, with this kind of weapon, what we see a very, very high velocity, high caliber injuries that traverse the entire body, take a look at a lot of tissue along the way. extensive organ damage. these are patients thing to be tied up in the operating room for hours an hours, even if it's only one patient, it's going to exhaust a system. we have this many patients

coming in with all hands on deck trying to manage these patients. there's also gonna be long term consequences the next couple of days in these hospitals just trying to recover from the amount of work they had to do in these few coming hours. >> what you described is so extensive to consider. a lot of these decisions are done in a matter of minutes and maybe seconds at times to assess those different levels of treatment and be provided. so if you're talking about the treatment, especially with the number you are talking about, there's not even for lack of a better word, luxury to spend the amount of time the would normally do on a surgery to try and correct. would these be done in parts than wherever stabilizing initially and then going on to other patients and then returning to figure out what comes next? >> exactly. it's all about stabilization. you can imagine the very difficult sometimes heart wrenching decisions that all the medical providers have to

make it ems when you start triaging these patients. unfortunately, there are juscane move forward fray quickly to save as many people as possible. it is about stabilizing, it's about getting as many people stabilized as possibly as they are pouring into the emergency rooms. i must say, almost every, if not all medical centers that are level 12 and three trauma centers, we have very dedicated protocols for training and sort of predicting these mass casualties. so we all have nascar joel d simulations where we will spend one day every several months where we actually have patience, actors coming in, and they are unfortunately replicating these kind of incidents so, we can prepare to make sure that all systems are in place to save as many people as possible. you can just imagine the chaos that happens when you are working in a hospital setting, and then out of nowhere he get

that call that we have potentially 20, 30, 40 severely injured patients. putting their resources together with preparation would be a disaster so lot of preparation goes in and all ems directors are responsible for running those simulations at the hospital. >> top doctor anthony cardio, a preparation, the planning, it is just got ranching to think about what must go into the planning and then this happens and you would hope that the worst case scenarios never come into freeway shun. thank you for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> there is more on our breaking news tonight. the mass shooting in maine. 22 people are reported dead. this is a developing story. the information is fluid, we are staying on all of it. we won't be live with more after a short break.

we're back governor breaking news. a manhunt is underway in the wake of the horrific mass shooting in lewiston, maine. 22 people reported dead at a restaurant and also a bowling alley. and another 50 to 60 people injured according to law enforcement. we're seeing a person of interest identified on your screen, robert card. back with me now cnn's josh campbell. josh you have some information about mains gun laws what did you learn? >> we have covered these incidents time and time again and you can say well, it's too soon to talk about laws or guns, it gets political. but we have to talk about the state of the world, because in any of these incidents we want to understand how someone got access to a firearm. just what we are learning about the state of maine. maine is a state that has received a lot of criticism from the gun safety movement particularly because it does not have an assault weapons ban. looking at that weapon on your screen, that wouldn't be

classified as an assault weapon, we would classified as a assault style weapon, a semi automatic weapon it requires you to pull the trigger for each round. still you can fire a lot of rounds in a short amount of time. and that women would not be inherently illegal in the state of made. looking at civil oz it does not require background checks and all gun purchases. if you go and buy a firearm from a federally licensed gun store, you go through a background check. but if you're buying from a private individual or someone you met online, there are a lot of loopholes that as a pertains to these gun laws. and we hear about red flag laws. that refers to these extreme protection orders were if you have a loved one who might being crisis or law enforcement observe seminoma being crisis that owns a firearm, they can petition the court to have that gun removed. that does not exist in the state of maine. obviously we can talk about the mental health aspect as well.

interesting details in maine. they do require that the state has to report of someone's involuntarily committed, that has to be reported to the department of public safety. so there will be a lot of questions about how this individual got this weapon based on the reporting we have been doing based on his prior mental health issues. >> i don't know if we know this but often when you have a stated as a red flag law, which is not the case of believe in maine, even if there is mandatory reporting about the mental health commission he talked about it does not necessarily lead to confiscation of weapons? right >> now that's right and, the timeline is gonna be so important. when did he obtained this weapon? as we reported the get evs in the military. again is not inherently illegal. but there is the question the had these mental episodes and he went under some mental health assessment. was that ever reported to state officials and what would the ramifications of been?

now moving forward we hear a lot about these mass issues, this isn't a gun issue especially in the right, this is a mental health issue. but that raises the questions about what is being done to make stricter the mental health issues with some of these laws? obviously we're focused on the victims here, certainly this manhunt. law enforcement getting this person office street. but each of these incidences something that law enforcement studies, because they want to learn in the and how to prevent the next one. >> you mention about having to pull the trigger. some weapons could be modified in some way to make it easier to fire. we don't know perhaps right now that is what has happened in that case, we'll have to wait and see. but how will long forsman, we have a limited time and how law enforcement use that gun and the shells to track down the shooter? >> each of those weapons, when you fire it, again will eject a shell. that can be analyzed by the atf by their analysts.

each, gun leaves in independent kind of like a fingerprint, it's been eunuchs signature on the shell casing. so that's been used a lot to track weapons back. so there's a lot of questions about the firearm itself. that's a great point laura. even if this was a semi automatic weapon, there's all sorts of devices people can buy off the market to increase the rapidity and how fast that gun fires. of course we're talking about lives here. >> josh campbell, thank you so much, so important to talk about all that is a steak. we're continuing to learn more. we'll be right back with more of our news coverage. please 22 people covered into two mass shootings in lewiston, maine and police are hunting for the person of interest.

for we leave you tonight i want you to listen what an eyewitness told me who saw the event that unfolded outside of spare time recreation bowling alley tonight. nicole wyman normal was on the way home with her daughter from a girl scout meeting when she saw police lights hand people running. >> what were the age of people you are seeing coming out? we heard a report earlier that there were children. he saw a little children coming? it >> yeah, our kids.

looking back, that was probably the hardest part seeing families pouring out of there and knowing that that happened while they were trying to probably have a family night. >> how many people do you recall seeing, an estimate i know is difficult, about how many people did you see coming out. do you think it was a dozen a, couple of dozen? >> oh now, he was definitely more than a dozen. i am so bad with something like this. in the video, you see a lot of the people off to the side also, they kind of pile off to the side. most of what you see in a video when i kind of panned to the left, all those people standing there and stuff, those were people that were inside. >> did you see anyone who was injured coming out of the bowling alley? you see any visible signs it's somebody had been harmed at that point? >> not as they were coming out

but after we did see some people as we were actually leaving the scene, we did see somebody that looked like they had blood all over them. we couldn't tell if that person was injured themselves but definitely the person in the middle of this person and another were helping her. they, i'm not sure kind of helping them and they were bent over a little bit and looked like they were actually bleeding from their stomach or somewhere in the front area. >> did you see any of the people coming out of the bowling alley carrying anyone? >> not that i can recall. it's all kind of a blur. i wasn't really taking in a lot of the details. and i didn't think it was gonna be as big as it turned out,

especially in lewiston. >> nikole, what did you tell your daughter who was with you. i just can't imagine as a mother how to make sense of it and to relay that to a child? >> i mean, we have open dialogue enough. so we talked about and she was definitely scare. she started crying and said this is a scary world we live in mom. and i said i know. my older kids were talking about getting backpacks, the ones with the bulletproof backpacks, because they think there's maybe some sort of threat at the school. stuff like that gets real when something so big happens. they say okay really could be our school next. so we came home and she wanted to lock up right away. we locked up, locked up the windows right away. i do have a firearm, so made

her feel better to know that i was carrying it around. i had already to go. she was scared somebody was going to come into our home. you have to remember that the odds would be so slim for that, so try not to worry so much. son trying to make you feel better in the meantime as well. >> it's really unbelievable what we are seeing tonight. thank you alall for watching. our live coverage continues after this short break.

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