image was a lbearcat armored vehicle. they control the armored market. that was a heavily armored personnel carrier. it has a battering ram attachment on the front you saw stick out from the front of the vehicle. it also has a gas injection device that allows them to puncture through the outside of the structure, insert gas into the building, and my guess would be that's the next step. there is a possibility he is in there, they want to control him. they're giving him the opportunity to come out. he didn't take advantage of that opportunity. now rather than breaching the building, they will breach the building and inject cs gas into the building, forcing him to come out. if he is in there, he'll come out one way or another, or he will die inside there. but i think that's what their next move is. >> that is incredible to watch, as you point at that vehicle to the right of your screen, the one tim is referring to with the battering ram on the front.

our coverage here continues. our breaking news coverage with my partner anderson cooper. let me hand it off to you, anderson. >> viewers who are just tuning in, these are live pictures from bowdoin, maine, the home of a man authorities say murdered 18 people in two locations in the nearby city of lewiston yesterday evening, the country's deadliest mass shooting this year. police and fbi agents went to this home earlier today, returned there in force a short time ago. in the last 45 minutes or so, if you've been watching, they have been heard asking at least one person to, quote, come out with your hands up. cnn's brian todd is on the scene for us, as is shimon prokupecz. let's go to brian. let's start off with you. explain what you have been seeing for those who are just joining us and what assets that you can say are on the ground. >> well, anderson, for the more than past hour, we have been

here while kind of this influx of law enforcement just kind of poured into this area right in front of the house, right in front. they had been here earlier, then they had left. and then about an hour ago, they poured several vehicles and personnel and air assets back here, and basically set up camp in front of the house with a loudspeaker and a spotlight. and you can see the spotlight now kind of shifting around, either at, rite on the house or just around it. they could also be using the spotlight we believe to check areas on the sides of the house, because that seems to be what they have done. actually, there was very continuous dialogue. it was a one-way dialogue, but it was a law enforcement officer on a bullhorn while the spotlight was trained on the front of the house saying commands like "come out with your hands up, you're under arrest, come out with nothing in your hands, we don't want anyone else to get hurt."

"we know this could be intimidating for you, but we want you to come out and follow our instructions, follow our commands to walk to the front of the truck." i'm not sure what truck they were referring to, but they repeatedly asked whoever might be inside to walk to the front of a truck in the driveway. but i have to tell you, anderson, for the last -- i'm kind of calculating now 35 to 40 minutes, that dialogue has gone completely silent. we have heard no commands. we have seen these assets on the ground shifting around, vehicles shifting, air assets like drones, helicopters just kind of shifting all around. that spotlight continues to shift. and, you know, they seem to be very methodical in the way they're going about this. there is not a -- you can see the spotlight there probing around a tree at the front of the property. >> brian, let's point out what we do not know. it's almost as important as what we do know in this time. you talk about a dialogue.

if there is a dialogue, as far as we know, it has been one way. they don't know for sure there is somebody in this house, correct? >> that is correct, anderson. from every indication that myself and my colleagues who have working sources have gotten, they do not know or at least -- if they know, they don't want to reveal that. it has not been revealed that they know he is there, is what i can say. i have to say there has been no i guess rapid or jerky movement of anything here. they've been very methodical in moving assets around, moving vehicles around, repositioning the spotlight. moving drones and other things. and they seemed -- i can also tell you by the way that the lights are no longer flashing. we can see police lights, but they're not flashing anymore. and yes, to reiterate, the dialogue has been one-way. there is no indication that anyone on the other side has been talking to them. >> also just want to remind our

viewers we are not discussing any tactical moves that any of our reporters may witness over the course of this. law enforcement asked reporters on the scene to turn off their lights. we have done that, obviously, as well. so the dark -- what you are seeing is what our people on the ground are seeing as well. but we're not going to go into details about any movements that we may witness in any level of detail. shimon prokupecz is also on the scene. we have two different angles on this from two different teams on the ground. shimon, talk a little bit about what we know about this suspect and what we know about this location that they are at. >> right. so this is believed to be one of the residences of the home of the suspect. and at this point, based on the

way law enforcement is behaving, the way they're conducting is they don't feel that there is any kind of imminent danger, right. they don't believe that there are any hostages inside. they don't believe anyone inside, at least at this point just on the way their posture and what they're doing, they're not even 100% certain that there is even anyone inside. and they're certainly not certain that it is a suspect. but everything that we're seeing here is to a high degree just precautions, because they know if this is the suspect, they're dealing with a potentially very dangerous situation, someone who is trained, someone who perhaps will put up a fight. right now for them it's about also protecting themselves. so we're seeing all of these heavy vehicles here where they can protect themselves. they're heavily arm as well. and they're wearing heavy body armor. we've seen some other equipment,

drones in the air, helicopters. so they're able to monitor a lot of what's going on around the home from the air. and it seems they're really operating right now kind of in the dark, right. everything is very dark. we've seen some lights, red lights where they're working. and they're support of kind of staying back. it appears from this angle for this to develop. and the state police issued a statement saying they're not certain that that the suspect is inside, that they were doing a search warrant here. and all of this is just part of the measures they take, precautionary measures that they take when they execute search warrants. the other thing what our colleague evan perez was told is something, law enforcement picked up something inside this area, inside one of these homes which prompted all of this, this

response. remember, law enforcement was here earlier. they were doing the search warrant. they sort of left and they came back. but right now what we're seeing is it's really intense high drama of the law enforcement officials here standing back, allowing this to play out, being very careful. obviously being very concerned over their safety. the media, just so the viewers know, we are fairly back. we are far back from the home. we are far back from the law enforcement that is all around us. we have officers standing around as well that we can see here in the street monitoring the situation. right now we're in a sort of wait and see situation and see how this develops. there is a helicopter over us. we're seeing now some law enforcement officials walking. it's unclear if they're getting to their vehicles, anderson. but we're seeing drones in the air. different equipment that they're using to keep an eye on things

as they develop here. >> andrew mccabe, with your experience with the fbi, they certainly have time on their side here. i mean, if this is the location that they feel that they have control of the perimeter of, there is -- is there -- is there a clock for them? >> not really, anderson. it's -- you know, if they were confident that there was someone inside and maybe that there was a danger of hostages or others getting hurt, you know, you might want to take advantage of the element of surprise in your approach to the residence. and in a situation like that, there is more of an urgency. but that's clearly not the case here. there is -- they have forsaken any element of surprise. they've been yelling at the house for quite some time. so what you're seeing here is a very slow and steady escalation

of technique. they start with the safest, cleanest, lowest risk thing to do, and that is to pull up, stand behind your armored vehicles, and announce your presence and demand some sort of compliance. whether you are confident there is someone in the building or not, you would always do that first. it seems that that technique has exhausted its relevance here, and they seem to be repositioning now to step on to take next steps. which could involve things like sending drones up. we've seen some drones in the air already, sending drones to get a look not the windows to try to develop more intelligence about who or what may be going on inside. you could send a -- you could breach an entrance and send in a robot to increase that intelligence collection with video capability. the robots can climb stairs. they can open doors. they can do all sorts of things.

you can escalate further into sending a dog in. typically that's not done until you are very confident that there is a barricaded subject, and you know where they are in the residence. and then of course the last step is a dynamic entry of s.w.a.t. operators who are prepared to go in there and take someone out. we have really no reason at this point -- we can't confidently say that there is someone in this location. and it's very possible that the team doesn't know the answer to that question either. they're going to go through this process to try to figure that out in the safest way possible. >> it is interesting, andrew, that there were obviously officers at this location previously, and presumably did not find anything. and yet returned. >> yeah, that's really confounding. there is a number of possibilities here. it could be that they received

information from a neighbor, a passerby, some sort of tip that alerted them to movement on the property or something that looked like somebody had been inside. it's always possible when you leave a property if you don't continue to secure it, the subject could have returned to the property after they left. it's also possible -- it's not common, but it does happen, anderson, that we'll have a tactical team search a location, and the perpetrator hides themselves inside. remember in 2017, there was a manhunt for an individual in a national park area. we had swat teams from springfield and chicago division helping out. they approached what they thought was an abandoned hunting cabin in the middle of the woods. the chicago s.w.a.t. team searched the entire structure, found nothing. and then as a last step, looked into a crawl space in the attic, and as they removed the panel

exposing the crawl space, they took incoming fire from the subject. we had a few folks who were severely injured. so sometimes perpetrators subjects will hide in a residence as it's being searched, and it's possible to overlook them. it could have happened here. we don't know. but you to keep all these possibilities in your head at this point. circumstances given what we know about the suspect, what points in this person's history stand out to you? >> well, there are a number of things about his personality, and i think the first thing that strikes me is that it's very likely that if he is inside the house, he views this as a no-win situation. and based on what he has done over the last 24, 36 hours, his life as he knows it is 100%

completely over. and so his outlook on whether this turns out well or doesn't turn out well doesn't really make any difference. then you compound that with mental health issues. you compound that with stress. you compound that with whether or not he may be -- he could be using alcohol or drugs. all of that can really make a big difference. but the outlook right now and how he views this situation is going to be in a very nihilistic way. >> brian todd, what have you been witnessing as we've been talking? >> well, anderson, what i can tell you is that the spotlight, as crew can probably see has shifted back to the front of the house. but we have also seen law enforcement vehicles, several of them really, depart the scene. now there are law enforcement vehicles still there, and there are still assets being moved around on the ground. but in the meantime, we have

just gotten an email from the public information officer for the maine department of public safety describing what is happening here. and i'll read to it you in part. regarding those announcements on the loudspeaker that we heard, the commands of "come out with your hands up", this person says, this is from the public information department from the maine department of public safety. the announcements that are being heard over the loud speaker are standard announcements when executing a warrant to ensure the safety of all involved. it is unknown whether robert card is in any of the homes law enforcement will search. law enforcement officials are simply doing their due diligence by tracking down every lead in an effort to locate and apprehend card. so that does confirm, anderson, some of what we had been reporting on earlier, that in our colleagues working their sources have said that it is not clear at all whether he is there, and she has just confirmed this public officer has just confirmed that it is

unknown whether he is there or any other residence connected to him. it's been a very methodical operation here this evening, we can tell you, for last hour and a half or so. we're in the dark. just to reiterate, we reported this last hour, but we're in the dark now because when they poured back in here at roughly 7:00, maybe a little bit before 7:00 eastern time, with all these assets and kind of started to flood the area here, they gave us very strict instructions, turn your lights off because having the lights on is endangering the safety of law enforcement. so that's why we're in the dark here. and then over the next 30 minutes or so, we witnessed and heard commands and appeals from a law enforcement officer on a loudspeaker to whoever might have been inside to come out with their hands up. they understood this could be inti intimidating. they don't want anyone else to get hurt, but they wanted them to come out with their hands up and nothing in their hands and to walk to the front of the truck in the driveway and follow

instructions. but then the dialogue simply stopped, anderson, probably 40 minutes or so ago and there has been no dialogue since then. they've been methodically moving assets on the ground, in the air around that house. >> brian, is it one structure on this property? and does the suspect have access to other properties somewhere? or family properties, relatives, the like? >> we can tell you that this is appears from our angle to be one structure on this property. we did see law enforcement personnel kind of fanning out to the left of the property when they first kind of poured their assets back in for the second time tonight. to the left of the property seems to be some kind of a farm field. but, you know, again, when we saw those personnel doing that fanning out, that could be standard procedure just to secure the area or move around. we don't know what if any other properties he has access to.

we do know that he on the other hand -- he owns a small powerboat and that the coast guard is joining in the search for any suspicious vessels, because they found his vehicle, of course, we've been reporting that, almost for 24 hours now, they found his vehicle, or a vehicle connected to him at a boat landing dock. so those are the properties that we know he owns. we know he owns a boat, and we know he owns this house. >> and brian, just in terms of what the image that we are showing on the left, that is the house illuminated. on the right, that is i assume the vehicle law enforcement truck has the light that's casting the illumination on the house? is that correct? >> yes. the object illuminated on the left is the house. the object on the right is a law enforcement vehicle. it looks like a large tactical armored vehicle. now the way the spotlight has been shifting around -- just

heard some kind of a thud, but that may not be anything. but the way the spotlight has been shifting around, i can't say for sure whether the spotlight has always been operated from that vehicle. because the spotlight has really been kind of shifting one way and another and another at very odd angles. so how much flexibility that vehicle would have to do that, i don't know. >> josh campbell, just in terms of the larger manhunt, this is said to be the largest manhunt certainly in recent maine history. talk a little bit about what other -- what this day has been like, not just the last hour or so that we've been watching this scene. >> well, what we are seeing for ourselves and andy mccabe knows this as well working in the fbi, when you these manhunts, you have teams that are constantly moving from location to location based on the flow of information that law enforcement is getting. we happen to be seeing this

right now for ourselves on our camera. and i'll point out, anderson, i know you mentioned at the top that we're obviously not describing the individual tactical movements of officers for officer safety purposes. it's important for viewers to also know that state police are also aware of our shot. obviously this is important to make sure that we're not putting them in danger. but what we're seeing for ourselves on the screen is something that happens time and again where there are no cameras. and that is you have these teams. they get assigned. often multiagency efforts that are working together. obviously we know about the host of resources being barred from all these agencies. and they'll get farmed out tips. we're getting something at this location. let's go check this out. someone called in. they saw something here. this is a process that they go through, that they've been going through since this occurred. now over 24 hours ago, this mass shooting there in maine. and so the tips come in. they get the personnel out there. it is important to note as brian was just mentioning, law enforcement has gone out of their way, and our sources that we have been talking to as well,

what we're seeing here is standard operating procedure for approaching a residence where someone could be. there is no indication, they don't have 100% confidence that the person is there. but they're still going to go through the same steps. unless they get an indication that there is some threat to innocent life inside that building, there is no need in the view of law enforcement to rush into that building, to try to put officers in harm's way. so they will do exactly what we're seeing now there is a lot going on behind the scenes. there is a command post that is operational. you'll have an onscene commander who is calling the shots. here is the step we're going take now. here is the team that is going to do x. here is the team that is going to do y. we know it's not just ground resources. they've also launched drones. we heard the helicopters that have been overhead. it was reporting this morning all these agencies sending resources. the fbi has launched this massive deployment of personnel to include surveillance aircraft. and so they're able to get a good fixed view on what is happening in that residence to

include sophisticated technology that helps them understand what may be happening inside that residence as well. but unless there is any type of emergent threat, there is no rush on their part. they're going try to clear this residence. and quite frankly, anderson, if he is not there, this will be happening time and again throughout the night. these teams will be going and trying to cover every tip that they get in order to try to find this individual. >> and chris wecker, given your vast experience, what stands out to you about this manhunt thus far? >> well, yeah, let me step back a step or two here and tell you what's been going on since he was identified. as soon as that happened, within minutes, a surveillance team was on those houses in that compound. so since that time, it's been closely watched. they may have come and did the flash-bangs in preparation for an entry, but they didn't really leave. the tactical team may have left for a while, but these houses have always been under surveillance.

so he would have had to have slipped in very quickly after the shooting incidents or he slipped in under their noses, which i doubt happened. so secondly, law enforcement came to those locations to do two things. one, arrest him if he is there, but primarily to execute search warrants. they had been watching the house. nothing was happening. it was time to execute the search warrants. and somebody must have heard something rustling, or maybe doors are locked, it spooked them, maybe there is a dog in there. whatever it is, they back out, rightly. so as a s.w.a.t.er in miami for seven years, you don't go in and do dynamic entries unless you have to, unless there is a hostage or some other exigent circumstance. they have shields and vests, but still, this guy has killed 18 people and wounded 13. he is trained. so there is no need to take the risk. the other thing that sticks out, anderson, is you really have the most lethal combination you can

have. a firearms instructor who i think is severely mentally ill and has been digressing for the last four months. so he is not going to act rationally. he planned this well, but he is not going to act rationally. that all mitigates exactly towards what law enforcement is doing right now. they're being deliberate and methodical. they're going to do this right. maybe he is in there. maybe he is isn't. if not, they're in it for the long haul. >> chris, this is not a 17-year-old person who steals their parents' rifle. this is somebody doesn't apparently according to the army does not have combat experience. the army says he was not a weapons instructor in the army, but clearly, this is somebody who has experience around weapons, and clearly, mental health history as well.

>> he does. and some history of domestic abuse, restraining orders. again, the lifestyle. he had some trouble with the military on his last training exercise. he was hospitalized for two weeks. it's just hard to believe that the military doctors -- i hate to say this -- didn't do a better job of diagnosing whatever it is he has, because he was practically screaming for help. acting out and doing the things that he was doing, red flag, flashing red, as i like to say. so this will be postmortem and there will be after action studies on this one. >> we're going take a short break and return to the scene of the story next.

we're looking at the scene right now in bowdoin, maine, the home of mass shooting suspect robert card. authorities, including the fbi, turning up there early in the 7:00 hour, the second time that they had been at the property today. but less than 90 minutes ago, we heard the command "come out with your hands up." we have heard nothing since, and it is not clear whether there is anybody in this home. back with our correspondents and law enforcement personnel. also joining us the mayor of auburn, maine where there is a shelter in place order tonight. mayor levecque, thank you for being with us. i'm sorry we're talking in these circumstances. are you learning any new

information about the investigation or the ongoing manhunt? >> anderson, thanks for having me on. we're learning as we're watching cnn right now. it's that fluid and dynamic of a situation. so things are happening in realtime. so we're on this. we're aware of everything. and we're all in this together. >> can you talk about the effect this has had on the community? >> it's sobering. it's surreal. obviously, we're still under a shelter in place order. right now our focus is on the victims, their families, and making sure that they have the mental health need and the physical needs in order to get through this time. and i talked to a love constituents in auburn and lewiston, and it's just shocking. and that is going to wear off. part of that is getting closure on this first chapter of our recovery, if you would. and that's finding the suspect, bringing him to justice. and then we can focus on closure.

>> in terms of the shelter in place order, how long has that been in place for you? >> we're looking actually right around 24 hours now. >> and i know you were at the family reunification center this morning. i cannot imagine the ripple effects of this among families in this community. >> this community is tight. auburn and lewiston are twin cities. we're separated by a river. the bowling alley that we all go to is in lewiston. the restaurant that we love to go is there as well. and way all are touched. we all know someone. last night at the reunification center, i saw old friends that were coming in either as family looking for other family or as witnesses coming in to be

reunified with their loved ones. and it was something i'll carry with me. i think anybody that was present will carry with them for the rest of their lives. >> what's your message to the folks in your town tonight? >> persevere. we are mainers. stay vigilant. practice good situational awareness at this point. call the state police tip line. if you see anything out of the ordinary, we're focusing on bowdoin right now in your coverage and everybody else's coverage, but that's not to say he is absolutely there. just stay vigilant. and it's going to take all of us coming together, especially, and i have to give my hat's off. we haven't talked enough about our first responders. i talked with a lot of our officers and paramedics last night. they all came in, on duty, off-duty, they rushed to that scene. they were transferring people. we saved lives. they saved lives last night. so trust in them to get this chapter closed, and so we can move forward.

>> mayor jason levesque, thank you. the mayor makes a really important point that we do not know if the suspect is in this property, and anybody in this community watching this or following this should be aware that it's not clear the suspect has been isolated in this property. he may be elsewhere. and obviously, there are shelter in place orders. those should be heeded. brian todd, what's the situation now? >> well, anderson, i can tell you that a large law enforcement vehicle has repositioned. and we have to be careful not to give away too much tactical information here for safety reasons. a large law enforcement vehicle has repositioned. the spotlight, and you can now see it, is kind of shifting around in the front of the house. again, they're making some adjustments here. there is a spotlight. there you go. you can see it going right -- there is another kind of --

there is a brighter spotlight than we've seen that now has kind of gone back and forth to that front window. and it's on the window now. sometimes they will pull it away. but there is a large law enforcement vehicle that has repositioned. and we did see personnel on the ground near it. and that's pretty much all i can give as far as specifics. but they are repositioning things. and again, this is all -- i have to emphasize, this has all been very methodical. so we don't want to give a sense of urgency that's not there. but they have been very methodical in the way they moved around, the way they moved the spotlight around and repositioned law enforcement vehicles, which they have just done. and you can see the spotlight probing the front of the house. it will probe a little bit and then it will cut off. >> and brian todd, it's important to point out this

person, we don't know the level of planning this person put into the murders that he is accused of committing. we don't know how long he has been planning this. his family has talked about this acute mental health episode not being a kind of long-term mental health history. this is something that according to a number of people occurred just within the last couple of months. but this person may have -- we know he has weapons training, certainly. we know there are eyewitnesses who know him, have said he is comfortable out in the wilderness as well. there is certainly a lot of woods. there is a lot of places given the geography that he could be hiding. >> that's absolutely right. the lay of land here is that

it's very rural. there are forests and fields all around here. he does own a property with hundreds of acres around it. we're not sure if this is that property or if this is another one. but we do know that. we do know he is very familiar with the area. and we do know that laugh has been here at least twice today to take a look at this place. the first time they came, they used flash-bangs when they approached the house and possibly went inside. you mentioned his training. one of his former colleagues in the u.s. army reserves has told cnn that he was and is a very skilled marksman and outdoorsman, that he was the best shooter in their unit. so that also reflects what law enforcement has to deal with if they're going to approach him in any way, shape or form or if they ever pin him down. you mentioned, anderson, the planning. you're right. we do not know specifically whether he planned this in detail or what he planned. but what we can tell viewers is again about the timeline of the

shootings. the first 911 calls from the bowling alley of an active shooter came at 6:56 p.m. eastern time last night. the second set of 911 calls came only 12 minutes later from that bar. so what does that indicate? it indicates that he very likely moved with some speed from one location to another. and as our john miller has reported, that he has broken up with a long-time girlfriend recently, that those are two places that they were known to frequent. this is according to law enforcement sources who spoke to john. so what you can put together from that is he knew both of these places and again, if you piece together the timeline of the 911 calls, it wasn't very long between sets of shootings last night. and we're told it's only about a ten-minute drive from one of those places to another. and when the 911 calls came just 12 minutes apart from each

location, that tells you that he moved with some haste and some speed. does that indicate that he had real purpose there and he knew exactly where he was going to go and how fast he was going to get there? possibly. possibly. but that's what we can tell you about how this unfolded and what we can piece together about any possible planning here. >> chris wecker, given your experience with the fbi and the hunt for eric rudolph in the woods, the fact that this person is said to be a good marksman, the fact that this person is comfortable out in the wilderness and given, again, the geography and even having a property of more than 100 acres that he has access to, he could be anywhere. >> he could be. there are some similarities with eric rudolph. he had about the same amount of lead time when his car was discovered. he probably had a few hours. and he had a plan.

i still think -- i'm very skeptical that he is in that house. i still think he is out in the woods somewhere in a prepositioned, presupplied area, maybe several there may be small hunting cabin somewhere because it's getting cold. it's going to be even colder coming up. his planning was very precise. and the execution of what he did, he hit two locations. that creates mass confusion for law enforcement. information is coming in every direction. it takes hours to get a command post and intelligence operation set up. so he took advantage of that confusion that he created, and he escaped. to me he had a plan. i don't know how far out that plan extended. but i believe it extended as far out adds escaping and getting into an area where he knew more about the terrain than law enforcement. and i think the best assets, if he isn't in that house, the best assets are going to be wildlife officers and game wardens who

know that area very well, and know the cabins, know all the little nooks and crannies where he can hide. that's exactly what eric rudolph did. he had prepositioned everything. he was prepared. he hunted and fished in that area, grew marijuana. i see some eerie similarities here. outdoorsman, hunter, trained in the military. both of them very similar. >> and also, chris, it would be critical, then, for information, his friends, his family might be able to provide of favorite cabin, favorite fishing spots, trails he frequented. >> right. >> areas he likes to go. >> that's absolutely true. they've done a full profile on him by now. social network, his -- whoever he hunted with, family members, friends going back to the military, buddies in the military. dissecting his entire life.

it doesn't take that long with the resources they have on the scene. all of that will be helpful. there is a thing called a geographical profile. we did that with eric rudolph. and we combined it with the geographical professional that said he is here. this is his personality. he is going to be somewhere he is familiar. doesn't want to meander around the country. and so there is also the combination of that, and no credible sightings elsewhere. part of this is a suppression operation as much as it is a manhunt. both at the same time. they dent want him to hurt anyone else. obviously he is dangerous. if they can keep him in the woods and suppress him, they've achieved part of their goal. >> brian todd, let's go to you. what's happening? >> anderson, we have a line of -- i'm counting seven law enforcement vehicles, some of them trucks, some of them just

said dance moving past us. they came from the other side of where the house is on the road and are moving past us, away from the house. it does not -- i'm not sure if they're completely extracting, but they are moving away from it. but we do still see at least one -- i'm sorry, at least two law enforcement vehicles at the house. one vehicle is in the driveway. and there are other vehicles up the street that spotlight that we've been talking about for now the last two hours is still there. so they're not completely extracting, but several law enforcement vehicles slowly, methodically moving past us and away from the house. just to point out again for our viewers, when we first encountered this situation at roughly 7:00 eastern time, and the influx of these law enforcement vehicles and personnel kind of approached the house, they came right up to us, the law enforcement people did and said -- they demanded that we shut all of our camera lights

off. we've been in the dark since then, saying that our camera lights were creating a dang forelaw enforcement. so we've been filming, as you've seen in the dark since then. and we're about 250, 300 yards away from the house of the suspect. again, more vehicles moving out of this area now. more law enforcement vehicles moving out of this area. but a couple of them we can see still in position. >> chris swecker, you said you doubt he is inside. we said we don't know all along he is inside. the fact that assets are moving away would certainly indicate they don't believe the situation is as acute as they did earlier. >> yeah, and they may be waiting for daylight. it may not make much sense. they got to go in the house at some point and search the house. there may be evidence in there that they desperately need. so they're not abandoning the residence or the compound. they may just be pulling out for the night and deciding if they're going to make an entry, they'll make it in the morning.

but the reason i don't think he is in there, and i could be wrong, is that i think he was too elaborate in his planning throughout this whole operation -- i shouldn't call it an operation. this savage slaughter that took place that for him to go just wandering back to his house. and again, it's been under surveillance since they identified him as the suspect, i don't know how he would have slipped in there. i know they're being very cautious. and as they well should be. and i think it's prudent to step back here and maybe wait for daylight. mar mary ellen o'toole, there were self reports he was hearing voices over the summer. he was watched for about a two-week period or so at a facility, taking their -- taken

there after hearing voices. what does that tell you what may be going on there with him? >> that would certainly suggest that he could have some mental health issues. i'm always somewhat skeptical of self-reported information because basically, coy tell you anything and it may or may not be true. unfortunately, that's what mental health professionals oftentimes have to work with. so a full understanding of what -- how they diagnosed him, how they treated him, all of those things become really important. so they do have a much better understanding of what's going on with him. and even right now, what they really have to be doing, and this would be people from my old unit in the hostage negotiators, they have to be doing some kind of realtime assessment if he is in there to be able to monitor how is all this impacting on him, what are the possibilities that he's destabilizing.

and when that happens, when you detroit, if it's compounded by mental health issues, your ability to think critically and to make good decisions can go right out the door. and so while we're looking at all the trucks and all the activity, i believe that they have people behind the scenes who are in touch with people that know him well and can monitor and discuss all the changes and how all of this activity could be impacting him, whether he is there or he could be watching it from afar. but that becomes really important to get that realtime assessment of him. >> and shimon prokupecz, thank you very much. brian todd, josh campbell, chris swecker, thank you. mary ellen o'toole, going to continue to monitor this situation. just ahead, we remember the victims, one being hailed for trying to save lives. another a member of the local

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names of the three m of the victims ill canned in the shooting. one of them is joseph walker. this video shows him in happier times. his father says he was the manager at schemengees bar and grill. his dad waited more than 14 hours about word about his son. here's what his father told us. >> my son actually -- he's manager of the bar and everything else -- picked up a butcher knife and went after the gunman to try to stop him from killing other people. and that's when he shot my son to death, trying to save more lives. he ended up losing his life. >> his father says joseph walker was married with two step chirn and described him as a great father and a great was had. he also said joseph was the kind of guy who was loved other people.

as mentioned, eight people were killed at schemengees bar and grill. brian mcfarland was on of them as well. his sister told cnn mcfarland was participating in a corn hole tournament at the bar. mcfarland wouldn't have been able to hear the shots fired. he was deaf and usually went to hang out at schemengees on wednesday. people from the deaf community gathered there to play corn hole on wednesday nights. mcfarland was one of the first deaf people in the state of vermont to get his commercial trucking license. he worked as a truck driver for several years and loved riding his motorcycle. mcfarland leaves behind his mother and sister. and 53 trisha asland worked part-time at justin recreation in lewiston. that is where seven victims died. she was there bowling. according to her family, she ran

to call 911, and that's when she was shot and killed. her sister was there with her, but survived the shooting. her sister said her sister did things to raise money for people. she played golf, worked three jobs, and leaves behind a 23-year-old son. trisha's brother, d.j. johnson, also described his sister as the rock of the family. anderson? >> our thoughts are with those families and all the others affected right now. he's been charged with eight counts of murder, likely that will be increased. but a search warrant obviously has been put out. randi thanks. we'l'll be rightht back. as

mass shooting suspect robert card, i want to go back to cnn's brian todd, who is there. >> reporter: we have seen more repositioning of law enforcement vehicles. we also see personnel on the ground, very methodically. the spotlight has not really shifted, but there is a law enforcement vehicle, and a large one, that is in the driveway there that you can see in our camera shot. what we can tell you is that a short time ago, a stream of seven law enforcement vehicles left the area. they left a couple of law enforcement vehicles here.

we have just seen personnel on the ground, carrying flashlights. but they were moving away from the house and then into vehicles. so, not quite indicating maybe that they're packing up, but they could be getting ready to extract from the area. and you see another vehicle there that is on the move. but we'll see where they go. you know, again, this has been an ongoing fluid situation now for close to the last two hours, where they -- in the early part of that sequence, they were on a loud speaker, trying to appeal to whoever was in the house possibly to come out with their hands up, with nothing in their hands, to follow their instructions. they were almost making a personal appeal to whoever might be in there saying, we know this could be intimidating for you. we don't want anyone else to get hurt. almost appealing on a personal level to whoever might have been there. so, that's, kind of, how it's played out. no indication that anyone has been in there. and law enforcement, kind of,

methodically moving around, some personnel seeming to be leaving now. >> and chris rutger, just in the final moments, assuming he is not in the house, obviously they're going to stay there through the night and assess things in the morning. where does the manhunt now stand? >> well, i think in the morning, they'll breach that house and conduct their search. and they'll do it very deliberately and tactically. but if he's not in there, they've got a large perimeter they've got to deal with. if he's in that wood si area, which is vast, they've got their work cut out for them. it's going to be a long, cold night for law enforcement. >> and josh campbell, your thoughts? >> yeah, anderson, we haven't heard any all clear sign from law enforcement. but i've been talking to s.w.a.t operators who don't have knowledge about the case, but

they've been describing the tactics. they're likely to keep some presence there until they get the light of day to finally give that all clear. it's important to note that all those assets that we saw move out, their work isn't done. they'll be used to go after additional tips, time and time again following those leads throughout the evening, with the shift change, bringing all the resources they have to bear until they get one tip that leads them to the suspect, anderson. >> josh campbell, brian todd, chris sweat kerr, thank you very much. moments ago we identified tommy conrad, 35 years old, survived by his 9-year-old daughter. his family confirming the news to a cnn affiliate. "the source" with kaitlan "the source" with kaitlan collins starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com it was a very active scene. police camame baback andnd hear