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that the people went to the ballot in their respective states and amended their state constitutions to say marriage is one man, one woman. i was a defenswy c called to defend those cases in a court. when the supreme court issued the opinion, that became the law of the land. i respect the lrule of law, buti also love all people. regardless of their lifestyle choices, this is not about the people themselves. i'm a bible-believing christian. >> what do you make of the response? >> he's going to have a little bit of trouble with some of these 18 republicans that are in biden-led districts because of his remarks in the past when it comes to issues that those triktss really care about. but also the fact that had it does feel like he's trying to do a little bit of move ing to the center. someone quipped to me in washington that the speaker yon son above his door should have been a little to the right, not the center above his door. it looks like he's trying to
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speak for the kimpbs as a hole. he has the 18 pumps he has to look out for. >> we was running an effort to criminalize homosexuality as well. >> he can only afford to lose 5 of the 18 members. they are going to give him an earful about what he needs to change on. >> thank you. appreciate it. "cnn this morning" continues right now. the desperate manhunt continues with a community on lockdown. >> federal and local officers comb ing the streets. >> he was known as an expert marksman. >> my son picked up a butcher knife and went after the gunman. that's when he shot my son to death. >> we're coming to try to find him. >> the israeli military planning more raids after they launched the biggest assault on gaza in ten years. >> those will focus on killing hamas commanders as well as destroying hamas infrastructure. >> the emphasis is still on
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israel now to allow fuel in and to stop people from dying. >> the united states striking two facilities targeting iranian-backed militias. >> describe ing these as self-defense strikes. >> there's no term of what the message is in the united states. >> good morning, i'm phil mattingly with poppy harlow in new york. this morning, the urgent manhunt continues for a mass shooter in maine nearly 36 hours after the shooting rampage that left 18 people dead in a bowling alley and bar and grill. fbi agents have joined the hunt for the suspect who is considered armed and danls. the coast guard is also helping search by air and sea after card was found at a boat launch. >> we did see s.w.a.t. teams with armored trucks converge on card's last-known address. a they spotlighted the house and got a bull horn to say come out
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with your hands ocup. nobody was inside. police tell cnn they will be back in that area today. as for the motive, there's a key theory emerging this morning. law enforcement sources tell cnn that card recently broke up with his girlfriend and the bowling alley and bar and grill are two places that they liked and frequented. his ex-girlfriend was signed up to play in a tournament at that restaurant. >> we're learning the names of three more victims. the manager of the bar and grill, his dad says he died a hero trying to stop the gunman with a knife. >> had picked up a knife and went after the gunman to try to stop him from killing other people. that's when he shot my son to death.
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>> we are live in lewiston this morning. at the two shooting locations, you ent immediately after this happened. it's remarkable you covered so many mass shootings. to have the suspected shooter on the loose still this morning, what does it feel like there? >> very different. it's a very different situation soft this city, the second most populous city in maine, some 40,000 people here, basically shut down because there is an active manhunt. and residents here are waking up to this second morning of an active manhunt, including here in lewiston is right behind me. that's where eight people were killed and now some of them trying to stop the shooting as it was taking place. most of the surge operations, the manhunt that we have seen
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have not been taking place here in lewiston. they have been happening 15 minutes east of here in two towns. lisbon is where the suspect robert card, his car was found near a boat launch on the river. we saw a lot of search activity around there in woods and neighborhoods yesterday. and then in dramatic fashion, in boeden, maine, last night. we saw that operation at one of the last known residences of robert card, where law enforcement set off flash bangs and had loud speakers. they were saying if you're in there, please come out. that's standard operating procedure. they want ed to clear out the house to make sure he wasn't there. it's possible they saw some kind of movement inside that house, but as of last night, did not turn up anything. we're told we'll go fwook that
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neighborhood. this is an operation that's taking place on the ground, but also from the air. there were helicopters going by. in fact, we just heard one a short time ago search ing from the air. and on the water as well. you mentioned the coast guard is involved over the ocean, which is a half hour east of here. all kinds of inlets and waterways, but also rivers. the boat launch, they have been searching by air up and down that. the coast guard has been searching that river for escape routes. and we know that a rifle was found in his car. he is still very much considered armed and dangerous this morning. which is why there's still that shelter in place order for a lot of people. let's get more on that now.
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let's go to the just in time bowling alley where it all began. omar, this shelter in place order, people are waking up to this second day of it. what are you hearing? >> reporter: you can't go far without feeling a a bit of unease in the community. there's not panic or anything like that. unease is probably the best word to describe it here. as you mentioned, we are as close as police are aa lowing us to get. this is where robert cardigan shooting before making his way minutes later over to your location where that bar and grill is. but when you talk to folks in the area, but when you look at their cell phones, the shelter in place order is going to continue today. school is going to be closed.
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all out of an abundance of caution. when you drive around town, even just last night, places that would be packed and open, all closed or at the very least empty so people are taking the shelter in place orders very seriously. and we are at the beginning of what is going to be a long recovery process for this community. take a listen to a mother and daughter who survived when the shooting began at the bowling alley. >> saw someone get shot. i saw blood splatter everywhere. and they just fell off their chair and they weren't moving. >> we got a table to flip over. we had a booth in that corner that we use d to put a wall up. but there really isn't much protection. and you know it. the whole time i'm thinking we're sitting ducks.
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any minute i was weighing to see his face come around that corner. that was the most daunting part because i'm laying there on my back, laying flat. and there's a table in front of me, but i have nowhere to go. >> that's the thing. at least 18 people were killed in these shootings, but so many more lives were changed forever. even just trying to change what they went through in those awful moments. and lewiston suspect the biggest town. still just a community of 35,000 or so. it's hard to go far without meeting someone who either knows someone directly affected by the shootings or they know someone who does. so it's going to be a long process of trying to get through this long after they find the suspect in this case, which many in the community hope happens soon. >> omar, john, thank you very
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much. joining us now is chief deputy of the marshal service matt fog. he served as the inspector in charge for international criminal police organization. he helped track down more than 300 of america's most wanted fugitives. really appreciate your time. you have so much experience trying to find people to do what these authorities are doing right now. it is 35 hours since the shooting. we have not heard about any leads. it doesn't mean they don't have them. he has not been caught. why? >> thank you for having me on. condolences to the families. but the bottom line is this. there are a lot of leads out there, but when you're searching for these people, you can't tell it to the media. because that compromises the lead. but it tells me they are doing all the right things, all the poet colts that we have.
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they covered the area. they are looking for anybody that might have contact with this guy. somebody on the inside, but in the meantime, they just have to cover all what he's been through. that's what they are doing and using technology. the infrared, the thermal machines and so forth. bottom line is, they are searching just about everywhere they can think of. >> in your experience, how would a bio like what the suspect has, an outdoorsman, how does that change your approach trying to find him. >> i mean, the bottom line, we were locking for 1985. he was an avid woodsman, so we searched several wooded areas.
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the reality is that when you're talking about moving out into the woods, this man power, can you get enough people into areas that you think this man might be. so they have a real arduous task because of the fact that they are talking about he had a boat, maybe he did get in that boat and go to another location in the woods. i think somebody like this with an expert that he was when it came down to the military and so forth, he kind of knew what he was going to do once he went in there and killed these folks. to go through people like butter going through knife. so the bottom line is you can tell this man knew what he was doing. so i'm saying from that, authorities have to know he had a plan. he had had a plan that after he did what he did, he was going to go somewhere and hunker down. he could be laying low hopieing
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authorities will begin to back off at some point. >> how long do people need to shelter in place there? at some point, kids have to go back to school and people have to go back to work. >> that's true. reality of it is, the municipalities, they have to make that determination, how long they want to stay in that mode. but the reality is as long as he stays out there, we looked for a suspect for three months and ended up catching him up in pennsylvania. so i tracked people around the country. at sol point, if it takes awhile, life has to go back to normal. >> we appreciate your time and, per tees. thank you. >> thank you. just moments ago, rockets fired toward tel aviv. our crews on the ground saw some of the explosions. we'll go there live, next.
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just moexs ago, rockets fired towards tel aviv.
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crews saw some of the explosions. erin burnett join us live from tel aviv. put in context what's happening right now. we saw the second targeted raid by idf forces into gaza. we have seen continued rocket strikes coming towards israel. where do things stand? >> yes, there was a second significant ground assault by the idf forces on gaza overnight. they were targeting command control centers as well as commanders within the most significant hamas brigade. that was the target overnight. we did just in response take credit for what we just saw, which was a strike of about five rockets here on tel aviv. the alerthouse get from the ierm dome are specific to an area. it was near here. we could see there were about five rockets that came in from gaza. obviously, they come from the south. to tel aviv. and there was at least either a rocket or part of a rocket that
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did break through. we could see some smoke not far away from that impact site. and obviously, you don't have an iron dome. it's different there. you have hundreds of israeli strikes a day, but nonetheless, it's still the complete randomness that causes the broader fear. i was speaking with someone that i see here every day. the apartment building next to them was hit by one of the rocket attacks from some brigades that came through. the and that is the reality of daily life. but again here on side, they are protected by the iron dome, at least from those rockets that are coming out of gaza over that short distance. >> you just explain what it's like? tel aviv was such a bustling city. people were around all the time. now when these rockets are coming, and i know they get the sirens, but do they all go into the bomb shelters? is that what they do?
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>> reporter: they mostly do. when we have been further south and come under a barrage, people do absolutely go for shelter. they know that the sirens are localized. so i have been out on the street, and people just start sprinting. so i have ended up in the closet of sort of a place where donations are gathering. i have ended up in a restaurant cooler, different areas and people do definitely run. and they generally know where to go. you want to take shelter on the north side of the building because these rolkts coming from gaza are coming from the south. that's a reality of daily life. again, they are protected by the iron dome. that's the success rate of those is 9 a 5 to 97%. when we came under the barrage, rockets get through. rockets are part of the hospital. so that definitely is the reality of it. and the iron dome protection
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system emphasizing rockets from gaza over that short distance is extremely effective. >> you can visualize what it's like and you have experienced it yourself multiple times. thank you for the reporting. we'll get back to you soon. authorities in maine are still searching for the suspect in mass shootings and the challenges they face in the manhunt. that's next. we're learning more about the victims. you'll hear from family members who lost their loved ones.
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night, where the deaf community. you get a sense of how integrated they are to this community, the second most populous city in maine, where everyone knows each other. let's get much more information on the victims that we know about so far. >> what we're learning is that these victims come from all walks of life. one of the victims just 14 years old. it's becoming more and more clear that some of these victims fought for their lives and tried to stop the shooter. >> the manager any tud of what happened coming into focus as authorities remove the bodies of some of those who perished in the shooting at the bar and grill restaurant. police say of those who were killed, ought died at the bar, including leroy walker's son joseph. his father says his son died when he tried to stop the shooter. >> my son actually because he's
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manager of the bar and everything else. he picked up a butcher knife and went after the gunman to try to stop him from killing other people. that's when he shot my son to death. he tried to save some more l lives, and he ended up losing his life. >> 40-year-old bryan mcfarland identified as one of the victims. his sister says he was deaf and there for a regular wednesday night gathering of members of the deaf community and their corn hole tournament. his sister, who was also deaf, says his death is deeply felt if her family and the community. >> i want people to know how big this has impacted the deaf community. we have lost four. we have lost three other friends as well from this tragic incident in this community. it's a huge loss. >> another participant, 39-year-old peyton ross was kill
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ed. his brother confirmed to cnn he leaves behind a 2-year-old daughter. also killed, 42-year-old father of five, arthur strout, his father confirmed they were together right before the attack. >> the crazy part is just being with him just before it happened. ten minutes before it happened. >> minute was from the bar, more victims and more tragedy. police say seven were killed at just this time recreation center, a bowling alley in lewiston, including its manager. 34-year-old tommy conrad is survived but his 9-year-old daughter. also killed, 53-year-old trisha asselin. >> we were bowling and we heard a big bang. i didn't know what it was until we heard another shot. we just kept running and running. and i kept asking my sister.
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two hours later. somebody came out and said to call 911. and when she called 911 to save everybody, she lost her life because of it. my sister is a hero. >> that's what we're hearing. one painful story after another. i want to give you more updated information about those killed. according to reuters, bill young and his 14-year-old son were among those who died at the bowling alley. when it comes to warning for so many in the community, it's difficult for them to do that. knowing that the shooter has not been caught. >> fathers, sons, brothers, sisters, all lost here, so much lost in this community. which is grieving this it
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morning, trying to grieve. even though they are shut into their houses right now and fearful of what could come next as this shooter is still on the run this man shunt underway. thank you very much. back to you. >> you're so right. they can't even gather for vigils. . they can't even really come altogether to comfort one another because of this ongoing manhunt. it make it is even more excruciating for them. thank you. and in jason's reporting, you heard from leroy walker speaking about his son and how he died trying to go after the gunman to be a hero. he's with us next.
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this morning, maine is in so much pain, so many families waking up without their loved ones, without their friend or coworker. all gone because of another mass shooting in america. our next guest says his son died a hero, and he did. listen. >> my son actually because he's manager of the bar and everything else. he picked up a knife and went
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after the gunman to try to stop him from killing other people. that's when he shot my son to death. >> his son was the manager at at the bar and grill where at least eight people were killed and his father says my joey will be missed by thousands. leroy walker joins us now. he's also a city counsellor in maine, miles from where this happened. leroy, thank you for being here this morning. what a hero your son was. when you think about that, what does it say about the man he was to you? >> i'm very proud of my son. i know that definitely he would do this all over again if this was to happen. all my life and all my son's life, we have faced many other things that have been crazy at times in life.
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meeting people, my son's biggest thing. knowing people and understanding them is also a big thing to joe. loved by many, loved by myself. he would love back to everybody. so i know he would do such a thing to try to save lives and not let somebody hurt people that he loved. this is family. this place brings thousands of people in a year. and joe is usually the first face they see coming through the door. and the last one they see going out the door. it's going to be hard for a lot of people. for myself and my family and his wife and grandchildren,
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stepchildren, they are a loving family. for someone to do this, for so many families as well as main, it's just crazy it leaves you an empty hole that i don't know how it will ever be fulled. >> we're looking at these wonderful pictures of the two of you together, as you're helping everyone remember your son and his smile. our heart is with his wife and his whole family as well. he did so much to help people that needed the most. he was about to raise money for veterans. >> yes, him and i had talked about it. i connected with a good friend of mine that's a veteran. and they were going to meet. i believe the next day. that's not going to happen now, but hopefully somebody can pick
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up that ball and run with it. but it's a very short time. i don't know if it's going to happen at this time. >> i'm struck by your remarks yesterday that you do not harbor hate or anger or the man who took your son's life. i wonder how that's possible, despite your groef. >> you have to put that part of it out of your mind. you have to let the law do whatever needs to be done. if this person was at the time in his right mind, i believe he would have been a loving person just like we are. there's something that went
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wrong. i just hate him. i believe in the lord. i think the lord will prevail in the end here. i guess we can't make our choices on people. i can't hate this person. i have been taught different than that. and i believe in the law and i have to feel that way. you can't run around this world hating people. if you do, these kind of things will happen more and more. there maybe individual things that happen, but if it you hate, and thaw hate drives you crazy is, you're going to hurt people. i have had my ups and downs in my life, and i done want anyone
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to hurt me and i don't want to hurt anybody. i'm sure this man, whatever happened to his mind, i'm sure he wasn't born to be a killer. and instead of that, that would have never believed this would have happened. all i can say is i'm sorry that it's happened to all of us. i'm sorry what may happen to him. god will prevail. hate will never bring my son back. >> it won't. >> it's just amazing to hear you with so much love in your heart, le leroy. for people know, you also lost your daughter 25 years ago in a car accident.
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so to have to lose two children and still be able to have such faith and such love in your heart is remarkable. what can everyone watching do for you? how can can we help you? >> just pray for everybody. pray for the people that passed away with my son. pray to the lord that this doesn't happen again in our community. none of us would have ever believed this, if we would have asked each other five days ago if this was a possibility, nobody would have believed it, nobody would have thought it. we really have a loving community. we have two cities here. they both believe that their city is the best city. that's the way we are. but we love each other.
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we travel back and forth. we make plans together, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. and as a city councillor, i know a lot of their feelings. they know a lot of mine. the two cities try to make them the proudest place to be. we don't go around shooting each other. i just hope we can get through this, get it behind us so that we can start healing and thank god we have you people to keep our loved ones alive for a few more days. >> leroy walker, your son, it is clear that all the good in him came from so much good in you.
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thank you for sharing about him with us this morning. we're here for whatever you need. >> thank you very much. >> of course. no love like a parent's love, right? >> i don't have anything to say. he said all of the things. i wish everyone could be more like him. >> we'll be back.
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a message from the treasury department warning against crypto awe lowing platforms to be used to finance terrorist organizations. that comes as scrutiny continues to grow over the role digital assets and other forms of assistance played in hamas' attack on israel. the u.s. this morning announced
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new sanctions targeted hamas financing. joining us to discuss is the deputy secretary. often times in the wake of an attack like this, you see a major influx or surge in donations to groups like hamas. have you seen that in this case? >> yes, we have. that's exactly why we have acted over the last few weeks to go after that surge the of donations that are going into hamas to stabilize and take awe part their financial network and make clear to the world with the united states and our alloys will stand together to go after hamas and its stterrorist activities. >> do you feel like -- i know the intelligence capabilities the u.s. has, you have been working on a multilateral basis, do you feel like you have the best visibility into the different pathways of that assistance? >> we have a great deal of
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visibility into the pathways of that hamas is using. with know when terrorist organizations can't use the united states and the u.s. dollar to get access, they try to find other currencies and countries they can use. that's why we're busy working on an alliance that will go after hamas' first bases, wherever they exist. including in the fwufl in the middle east, but also in europe, the united states and the uk k and around the world. >> the sanctions are particularly complicated in this case, given hamas is the governing body. there's some charities that have been labeled that have not been sanctioned yet. as it pertains to hamas, how do you make that distinction at this point? wz. >> the most important thing to do is financial institutions who
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are transacting money that goes to many of these charities to make sure that they are allowing for legitimate transactions that allow assistance to flow to gaza, while making sure the organization that hamas set up to try to divert the flows do not get access to that financing. that's why i'm here in the uk today because we want the to make sure countries take similar actions to help ensure that hamas doesn't get access to funding, but the people get access to the humanitarian aid they need, as well as financing. >> today's list of sanctioned individuals includes hamas official in direct connect in iran and some officials as well. the u.s. has had strikes tied to officials and proxies. at what point will the u.s. consider expanding owl export sanctions on
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the country of iran? >> it's important to recognize we put in place more than 300 sanctions against iran, including petro chemistry sanctions. we will continue to use our sanction authorities to go after iran's destabilizing activity in the region, including the actions we took today. >> should we consider oil export sanctions are on the table right now? >> we are going to continue to take the actions we have taken over the course of this year to hold iran accountable for the actions they are taking to destabilize the region. i am not going to preview sanction actions. what you have seen to date we have been willing to go after the actions that iran is taking to destabilize the region and today's actions against hamas include connections to iran and what i can tell you, phil, we are going to continue to take actions make sure that hamas no longer has access to the financing it needs to pay the fighters and destabilize the region and take the actions it's taken in action.
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>> deputy treasury secretary, thank you, sir. families of hostages still being held by hamas, some are growing frustrated with the israeli government's approach. we are going to speak with a father whose son is currently being held. while the house spent weeks finding a speaker, a gop committetee continueued the wor ththe impeachmhment into p pres biden. details ahahead. this mornin
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some of the hostages held by hamas growing frustrated with the israeli government. several say their patience has run out. they accuse prime minister benjamin netanyahu of, quote, being silent about the fate of their loved ones. just four hostages have been released and israeli officials believe more than 200 remain held. >> 19-year-old israeli american eti chen is believed to be among them. his family says the idf
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reservist was on duty before he went missing. his father met with officials at the united nations earlier this week and is calling on the international community to do more to free the hostages. >> we are here not only talking about ourselves. we are here representing 220 families of kids, holocaust survivors, women being held hostage. we feel and believe and wish all of you to think that these are crimes against humanity. >> and that was rui chen. he joins us now. thank you for being with us w he see the shirt. have you had any updates from any government agency about your son? >> we have constant contact with both the u.s. government officials as well as the israeli government officials. unfortunately, no official update.
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>> you have urged -- >> 20 days -- >> go- ahead. >> counting, 20 days. 21 days is today. do you have kids at home? >> yeah, we do. >> do you know where they slept yesterday? i don't. >> yeah. >> you want to join my universe? >> to your point, you can't comprehend the pain that you and other families are going through unless you're in it. and i think do you feel like that -- the government officials on both sides, the u.s. and the israeli side, understand that? are they able to identify with that when you speak to them? >> i think there is an understanding that the situation is different. if there was some sort of playbook, you know, we urge both the u.s., israel as well as the international community to, you know, take that playbook and throw it out the window because
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this situation is unique in so many ways. like, i don't even want to call them people. who takes babies as hostages? who takes holocaust survivors as hostages? you know, one of the u.s. citizens that has also been taken hostage, he, you know, got hit by a grenade. his arm is amputated from the elbow down. ho has he seen a doctor? no. doctors at the borders as well as the red cross at the border, no one is letting them in. like, how do you call these people? i wouldn't even call them people. that's why i think this is crimes against humanity. not just a u.s. thing or an israel thing. it's an international community thing. t there are 30 different nationalities being held hostage. we went to the u.n. i was under the i know eve
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assumption that the discussion would be around hostages, bringing them home and crimes against humanity. unfortunately, the topic ask discussed was a bit different. i think any other topic should be kept for another day. the only topic that should be on the table and is the only narrative is getting the hostages back home. >> do you believe the u.s. government should send in special forces now to bring them home, on the ground? >> that's a little bit of -- you know, i'm a businessman. i do mergers and acquisitions for a living. we have families. we don't and shouldn't be in those types of discussions. we just need to have faith that the policy officials that we are meeting, senator schumer, senator rosen, many other senators that we have met from florida, north carolina, congressmen, michigan,ew

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