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♪ ♪ maine, where we just learned authorities recovered a cell phone belonging to the man suspected of killing 1 people h -- 18 people. he's on the run, and this morning, we're getting new information about the victims, so many beautiful lives lost. i'm here in tel aviv, israel, where military officials say they are preparing for the next phase in the war against hamas. israeli troops carrying out targeted raids in gaza for a second day in a row. and i'm kate bolduan in new york. joe biden now has a new primary challenger today. democratic congressman dean phillips, a long shot for sure,
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but the most credible threat yet from inside the democratic party. this is "cnn news central." happening now, we just learned there will be a news conference one hour from now here in lewiston for the very latest on the manhunt for shooting suspect robert card who is very much at large today. we learned that authorities recovered a cell phone and a note that were believed to be written by and belonging to card. it's been 38 hours since 18 people were murdered here in lewiston, maine, and new details about the suspect are emerging. as i said, that cell phone, that note, no details in the note describing a motive. still, it could be important to the investigation.
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the manhunt spanning a couple of counties, many towns, shelter in place orders for 700 square miles. a huge area now with thousands and thousands of people told to safeguard their homes and safeguard their cars. we are learning more about the victims. new this morning, we just learned the identities of two more, bill young and his 14-year-old son, aaron. they were killed. let's get the latest on the shelter in place orders, and the manhunt. let's go to omar jiminez, outside the bowling alley where the shootings began. i'm outside the bar where the shooter moved and killed more people ten minutes later. omar, what are you learning this morning? >> reporter: so this morning, this is day two. the sun is now up, and the suspect is nowhere to be found. it's created a bit of an unease
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here in the community. it's not like people have completely stopped their lives all together, but they also aren't taking any unnecessary risks here. those shelter in place orders cover this county and the county over, as well. when you talk about what we are looking forward to as far as the manhunt, we know that searches have resumed in the bowden area, not too far from here, but also where some of the suspect's last known addresses were. it was around his house, the last-known address last night, where fbi and other officials, as you hear fire trucks going by. but last night, it was there outside the suspect's last home address that we saw fbi and other law enforcement over a loud speaker, with a spotlight on the house saying "come out with your hands up." it ended up being he wasn't there. police saying that's just more standard procedure when serving a warrant. but people in the neighborhood and beyond were concerned and interested if maybe that's where this would end.
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it did not, so we continue into this day. schools remain closed, as well. and i know you mentioned a press conference coming up in about an hour. everybody will be watching to see if they have any progress that will perhaps allay some of the fears that people have had in this community. and i mentioned the shelter in place orders have been out. last night, people were listening to those. you drove through town. you couldn't find a place that was open. places that usually would be packed on a thursday night were empty. even at the hotel where we were staying when we first got here just to give you a sense of how people have been dealing with at night. we have to hold our i.d.s up against the glass door of the window, because one, he didn't know who we were showing up at that time. when he came to let us in, he still was hiding behind cover, obviously assuming we could have been people there with firearms. so it is not an easy time for a lot of the people here. it is a very stressful time.
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they're hoping at least in this press conference or at least sometime soon, they can get a good update from police that the suspect is in custody. >> again, a little less than an hour will be our first update in nearly 24 hours. a lot of questions to ask about where things stand. obviously, we'll bring you that news conference when it happens live. omar jiminez, thank you very much. kate? >> absolutely. well, the search for robert card continues, we are also learning more about the lives lost wednesday night, including a father and his 14-year-old son. according to reuters, their names are bill and aaron young. they were together at the bowling alley when this tragedy unfolded. a father and son. and then there is arthur "arty" stroud. he was there with his father. his dad left the restaurant just ten minutes before the shooting began.
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he says his son is survived by five children. also at the restaurant was 39-year-old payton ross. his brother tells cnn that payton loved being a dad more than anything else. his daughter, elle, has just turned 2 years old. 34-year-old tommy conrad was a manager at the bowling alley. he's also a father. we're told he's survived by his 9-year-old daughter. so many parents and families torn apart by this senseless violence. i want to bring in jason carroll, who is learning more about some of the other victims. it's such a long list of people. it's so many beautiful lives. >> 18 victims, 18 lives, 18 different stories. it's becoming more and more clear as we speak to the family members that there were so many there who fought for their lives and tried to save the lives of other people. i want to talk about joseph walker, for example. he was a manager at that bar. he tried to stop the gunman with
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a butcher life, according to his father who spoke to cnn just within the past hour or so. he was able to talk about forgiveness and also his son's heroic actions. >> if this person was at the time in his right mind, i believe he would have been a loving person, just like we are. something went wrong, and i just -- you can't run around this world hating people. if you do, these kind of things will happen more and more. it may be individual things that happen, but if you hate, and the hate drives you crazy, you're going to hurt people. >> incredible.
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i also want to talk about another one of the victims. tricia osleman, she work ed par time at the bowling alley. she ran the counter at one point and tried to call 911 when the shooter took her life. her sister was also at the bowling alley at the same time. she actually managed to escape. here's what she said about what happened. >> i saw someone get shot, and i heard boom, like blood splattered everywhere. and they just fell off their chair and they weren't moving. >> we got a table to flip over and we got a booth in the corner that we used, and the whole time i'm thinking, we're sitting ducks. any minute, i was waiting to see his face come around that corner, and that was the most daunting part, because i'm laying there on my back, laying flat.
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>> it's just one painful story after another. i want to mention brian mcfarland. i spoke to his sister last night. she is deaf. brian was deaf, as well. he was a big part of the deaf community. in fact, members of the local deaf community would come there, they would gather on wednesdays to participate in a corn hole tournament for the deaf community. his life was taken last night. also want to mention, one man says his father and his friend were both killed. and kate, his father says they were killed trying to protect women and children. he said the following, "they made sure their wives and several young children were under cover when they charged the shooter." so there's so many stories of survival. so many stories of sadness. and what's most difficult at this point, so many difficult things for this family, but
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especially difficult, it's hard for these families to mourn because the shooter is still out there. >> that's 100% right. but what i'm also starting to hear is that people, there's so much -- there's so many mass shootings in america that people very chlearly know they have to stand up. they know if they don't stand up to the shooter, the police can't get there in time. it's the sense you get, they had to be courageous and fight for their lives, even if they knew they were going to lose them to protect people. thank you so much, jason. now back to john burman. john? >> so many beautiful lives lost. just to hear jason describe it, wednesday night was known as corn hole night for the deaf community. just think about that. with me now is the mayor of lewiston. thank you for joining us. we learned there will be a news
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conference in less than an hour. do you have any information about what we might learn then? >> i think we're going to hear some updates. but beyond that, i cannot say anything. >> updates on the manhunt? >> i believe so. >> okay, major. can you give usse an update on e current shelter in place order, which is still in effect here in lewiston and surrounding communities. what do you want residents to be doing today? >> yes, you're right. the shelter in place order is still in effect, and i urge residents to shelter in place and stay at home as much as possible. especially while the police are trying to find the suspect. sorry, there's a little bit of a delay. >> i'm sorry, mr. mayor.
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i was just say thing is a delay. today, driving around a little bit this morning, the businesses are still closed, but i will say there are a lot more cars on the roads, and people seem to be going about their business a little bit more. is that something of concern to you? >> i understand that -- you know, i spoke to many residents. they have urgent needs. parents need formula for their babies, so on and so forth. so i understand if someone needs to head out to get something that they need. >> it's been some 38 hours since this shooting took place, and the man hunt has been on and the shelter in place order has been in effect. how much longer do you think you can keep a shelter in place order in effect, even if the suspect is not located?
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>> that's a great question. >> i'm hoping that -- we have hundreds of law enforcement personnel here in maine looking for the suspect, and trying to apprehend him. i trust they will do so very soon. >> you know, mayor, i was struck, my colleagues were just talking about some of the beautiful lives lost here. i'm just down the street from the bar, and wednesday night was known as corn hole night for the deaf community. it seems ever more possible and likely that some of the victims were part of that community. can you just talk to me about that group of people here in lewiston? >> like many residents, i am certainly finding out about stories as they are being reported. you know, what i heard so far is not surprising, you know, people
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from lewiston are strong and determined and fearless. and i heard some of the courageous stories that, you know, have come out after the what happened on -- you know, the tragic and senseless violence on wednesday night. and i know that we will get through this. >> and mayor, i just want you to tell people about lewiston for a second here. it's such a rich community, historically, and now what do you want people to know about this place? >> lewiston, i love lewiston. it's a beautiful city with beautiful people. we have great businesses here, and i'm excited about our future. lewiston is a very safe city. i understand what happened last night is certainly -- you know, it's surreal for it to be
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happening here. but lewiston is strong. lewiston is -- we have grit and i have no doubt that we will be okay. >> all right. mr. mayor, before i let you go, it is safe to say this manhunt is still underway, yes? >> absolutely. >> okay. mayor carl shelin, thank you for being with us. we're thinking about you and your community. kate? >> absolutely, he says that manhunt is underway. there's a lot of moving parts around this man hunt today, including this as john was talking about, a cell phone recovered from the suspected killer. a note, as well. this new reporting coming in about the manhunt for robert card. is this a lead now? more coming in, that's next. we're also live in tel aviv, as the idf says it conducted targeted raids inside gaza for a second night, and a hamas rocket
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just hit in southern tel aviv this morning.. sarara sidner isis on ththe grg. wewe'll head t there for t the .
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right now, law enforcement at every level, state, local, federal, are still searching for the gunman in what is now the worst mass shooting ever in maine. the hunt for robert card has left the state paralyzed. schools and businesses closed down again today. multiple communities under shelter in place orders for a second day. and we have new reporting coming in that investigators have recovered a cell phone that belonged to card, as well as a note that he left behind. joining us now, cnn chief law enforcement intelligence analyst john miller, and casey jordan, criminalologist and behavioral analyst. john, the cell phone found a note left behind, but it does not explain a motive, according to evan's sources.
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what does that add to this, help or complicate? >> well, the fact that they recovered a cell phone, and the fact that there was a note are both indicators of preplanning. now, most active shooters have a planning arc. this is just the statistics across the genre, but have a planning arc of 3 1/2 weeks. placing a note means he knew what he was going to do before he got ready and went out that night to do it, leaving the phone behind tells us more. he knows that's a way that people can be tracked. if he left it behind and he's a planner, he maybe has a burner to account for that. and that raises the question, is his plan to go near or far, or is there something else that he has planned? >> yeah. it raises more questions is what it does as part of this. there are now -- we were talking before the commercial break about the 18 people, we're learning more about some of
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them. for small communities, there are 18 funerals that will now need to be planned, which is a real risk with the killer on the loose still. what are you hearing about this? are they starting to talk about this? >> i mean, that is a comp complicating but necessary factor for the community. 18 funerals that are going to happen in fairly close together time frame, in a fair hi small community, means for police, if he's not in custody, it also means securing 18 funerals, which is going to be, you know, one more thing that they have to think about. >> absolutely right. some of john's reporting has been that there is a theory that they're working with, a leading theory behind why the two locations were picked for these mass shootings potentially. they see links between these two locations are places that card and his long-time girlfriend,
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now ex-girlfriend, had freqfrequent ed together. if that is a motivation behind choosing these locations, what does it say about the killer? >> well, we don't think that was random. in fact, when this first happened, you know, i was conjecturing what sort of episode could have been the tipping point that caused this to happen? and the two big things that usually occur are the loss of a job or the breakup of a relationship. so when we learned that he had broken up with his long-time girlfriend recently, and that the two of them had frthey had frequented both locations, apparently she may have signed up for a tournament at the bar, perhaps wasn't there so he went to the bowling alley. this shows what he's doing this that moment of what i would guess is decompensation. he's trying to destroy the bad
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memories of the broken relat relationship. we have seen this before. in 1990, a revenge lover set a place on fire trying to kill his e ex-girlfriend. the profile is fitting more of a american that is a pseudo commando. the note is the most telling thing at this point. we don't know the content, with you we know that it's phrased as a suicide note. there was rambling and addressed to his son, including bank account information, which would indicate he doesn't plan to live through this manhunt. that makes him extremely dangerous if the police close in. >> cnn is still working on confirming the details that you are talking about in that note. we need to learn more about that. we do have a press conference coming up at 10:00 a.m. i wanted to ask you, mass
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shootings, in terms of the gunman, often end with the gunman killing themselves or killed by police. what does this scenario, this guy fleeing, maybe, likely having planned an escape, what does this say to you about this person? >> yes. that is true, kate. about 50% of these situations end in suicide or suicide by cop. usually that happens, though, right at the scene, within hours of the mass murder, they have the suspect in their sights and they close in. and the person decides to take their own life. and sometimes they are taking a life. but the more that time passes, the more likely this perp is not going to be taken alive.
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no one is going to rest until they find some answers. >> thank you both so much. coming up, this just in to cnn, we are learning that there has been what is being described as significant progress on negotiations to get hostages released. hostages who were taken by hamas terrorists. we have the very latest on that coming up. to duckduckgo on all your devie
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i have some breaking news to share with you from here in tel aviv. diplomatic sources are telling our becky anderson that there have been significant progress made on negotiations to release hostages held by hamas. but the negotiators say there are still issues that remain. cnn's becky anderson is joining me now. becky, what are you hearing at this point as far as what the sticking points are, and where they are in these negotiations? >> reporter: well, that's difficult to say, because diplomatic sources who are familiar with these negotiations have specifically said to me that the talks are ongoing. they remain very positive. they say that they have had a breakthrough, and while there are still outstanding issues and
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we remain hopeful, we do not have the details, the parameters of what is being discussed specifically, nor what those outstanding issues are. what we do know is that one of the hamas leadership in beirut yesterday, in an interview with "the washington post" suggested that the group was proposing that all foreign nationals were released in return for a five-day cease-fire. the hamas leader went on to say to "the washington post" that israeli civilians would be released if israel, in turn, agreed to the release of palestinian women and teenagers in israeli prisons, and they want the rafah border open for injured civilians to get into egypt, and hamas says as part of these negotiations they have
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demanded that more fuel and aid be allowed to cross through into egypt. we can't confirm those as the parameters, but they are close to the conversations that we have been having behind the scenes with those who are familiar with these negotiations. the bottom line, 220 hostages at least still being held in gaza. and not necessarily only by hamas. we do know that around 14, we don't know the specific number, but around 40 of those are foreign nationals. we also know there are women, children, and the elderly israelis being held, as well. we do know that this pause certainly is being discussed. we do know that the rafah border crossing is in play as far as both parties are concerned. let's remember, the backdrop to this today is a discussion and a
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vote ultimately being held in the u.n. general assembly. a motion -- a resolution tabled by jordan, which calls for an immediate cease-fire and the opening of humanitarian corridors. it's nonbinding, but giving that there's been two failures of resolutions now through the security council, this is important to note as we continue to press for more details on these negotiations. my sense is, speaking to people familiar with these negotiations that we are now talking hours and days, not days and weeks. sara? >> well, that is some news that at least the families can hang onto. i know everyone of those families are watching and waiting for their loved ones to be released. becky anderson, thank you so much for that breaking news for us. the negotiations are going well, and they are ongoing. appreciate it. i want to go ahead and bring
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in u.s. retired major general james "spider" marks and talk about a couple of things. first of all, the breaking news we have from becky anderson's reporting, talking about these negotiations are on a good footing right now. what does that tell you about what they're asking? because hamas is basically asking for a humanitarian corridor, which has been asked for by the rest of the world. but how does this play out in the middle of an official war that israel is in? >> well, you could do both. you need to be able to provide for the humanitarian requirements of palestinians that are in gaza. you've got to be able to have a release valve. rafah should be open. egypt should acknowledge they can be part of the solution, just like jordan should acknowledge they should be part of the solution. at the same time, israel can continue its prep tasks for what looks like a ground invasion
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that will take place. now, all of this, with the hostages, means it might be on pause as we have seen. let's be frank, it is on pause. i think what that really means is, let's go slow to go fast. let's take a pause right now, breathe through our nose, figure out if we can get as many of these hostages back, because that's all that hamas has for leverage. other than a wild arab streak that wants to support the palestinian cause and has wrapped it up in terms of support for hamas, which is bizarre and should be decoupled completely. but it's okay to take a pause, have israel figure out what they need to put in place, because they still reserve the right to conduct this operation. and i would not put it past them to go ahead and execute some form of that. but it's great to see what can happen with those hostages in terms of their release.
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>> many of the hostages being held as we understand it in those tunnels. that's what we heard from one of the hostages let out. four have been out, two american citizens and two who are israeli citizens. i want to ask you about the ongoing war. for a second night, the israeli military went in on the ground in what they called a targeted raid in gaza. but they did go in on the ground. what kind of complication does this create? because obviously, if you have hostages up to 220 who are still underground, this has to be a very, very difficult scenario, as israel tries to do a ground operation. >> yeah, absolutely. you are walking a very tight line, but what israel is doing right now is very deliberate preparations for the bringing forward the forces that are going to conduct this ground operation, in whatever color,
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whatever size, whatever type of force structure they want to do. but they are taking the time now to prep for that. in their mind, it's inevitable. it's a mission that has to be done. so that's number one. number two is, by doing that, you also give yourself, at least the israelis have an opportunity to do some very good intelligence collection. to refine their plan. to get some environmentals. do some gathering. maybe even go after some ambush sites that they know exist. they've already located. and you can do some very pin point targeting from the ground. and then the third thing might be, might be deception. get hamas to focus in on where they're conducting these operations. that's where they'll put the bulk of their effort. then you go someplace else. frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if the israelis started to prep tasks in a bunch of locations to confuse hamas. >> i want to lastly ask you,
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you've got a lot of people who have been killed, a lot of civilians killed. what is hamas' endgame with the hostages? because if they release all the hostages, they know that the possibility of a full-scale ground incursion is more like hi to happen. >> you bet. their leverage is hostages. that's why you have to take an incredible large dose of skepticism about how this goes. because if they give up the hostages, they guf up that point of leverage that they have right now that prohibits the israelis or gives the israelis pause in terms of conducting a very aggressive operation. >> major general james "spider" marks, thank you for that an l -- an less. john, back to you. >> from tel aviv to lewiston, maine, where we're learning there be a news conference from law enforcement in a few
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minutes. it will be an update on the manhunt for the suspect who murdered some 18 people. this as we learn investigators found a cell phone and a note. we'll be right back.
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you're looking at live pictures from lewiston, maine. they are setting up for a news conference that will begin in just minutes. this is the first update we will have had in nearly 24 hours on the status of this huge manhunt for the man suspected of killing 18 people in two locations. a shelter in place order still very much in effect for some 700
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square miles in this area. lewiston, of course, is where the shootings to be place. it is home to bates college, a wonderful liberal arts institution. classes canceled there once again today. the shelter in place order in effect. kelvin mchenry is a student at bates and an intern for every town for gun safety. thanks for being with us. you're going on 39 hours of this shelter in place order inside your dorm at bates. can you tell me what that's been like for the last couple of days? >> hi, john. yeah, it's been pretty tough. i know people here are really scared. people are shocked at what's happening. umm, i feel very lucky to be in my room, safe and sound. i know that i have friends that weren't so lucky and had to spend the night in the dining hall or library wednesday night. so it's been incredibly traumatic for people. >> and i know that just in time recreation center, the bowling
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alley, it's somewhere that you have been, somewhere students go. so when you heard that's where this shooting began, i'm wondering what went through your mind? >> i think everyone was just devastated that this kpillar of the community has been marred by this act of gun violence, committed by one person. it's devastated and hard to comprehend. i think that this extended lockdown has really prevented people from processing this tragedy. >> you know, that's a really good point. you almost don't have time to grieve. you don't have time to process everything that's going on, because you're so focused on the now. and for you, that's being careful, sheltering in place. look, look, bates is a college, so it has to be hard to stay in your
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dorm. what have the discussions been like? >> i think people are frustrated. i think specifically young people are extremely frustrated see thing time and time again. i mean, we've been referred to as the school shooting generation for a reason. we've been brought up amidst all this gun violence. people are fed up. i think people are confused. obviously, it's an unfolding situation. but from what we know, the suspect had multiple, multiple issues that would have prevented him from owning a gun. and i think that's where common sense gun safety laws come into play. i just think it's important to emphasize that. >> campbell, it just occurred to me, i was about to ask you, you have been part of every town for gun safety. and now you live in a town with a shooting. i can't presume that you haven't been directly impacted by some kind of mass shooting before. that's what it's come to. so let me ask this in a
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different way. you've been part of every town for gun safety. i don't know why you joined initially, but now you are in this community that's seen all these killings in the last 48 hours. what does that feel like? >> it honestly feels surreal, and i have been in town since june, and so about five months and you think that seeing and being exposed to the senseless tragedies everyday you would understand the pain, but i think that when it is coming to your own community, it just hits home differently, and i know that the people of lewiston are devastated, and i know that the ba bates' community is holding them in their hearts, and it is a rough time for everyone. >> well, campbell, we are thinking about you, and we know that in the next few days you can be back to class and back to being a student and back to what you are supposed to be doing,
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unlike what so many of the people like you have been trying to recover from such a mass shooting. kate? >> we will get back to john very soon and we are standing by for the press conference and update for police and the first in 24 hours really, and also, this is ahead for us. i will not sit still, i will not be quiet -- and that is the message today from the new primary challenger for president biden, and dean phillips says he is launching against the incumbent, and what impact it could have for 2024. to duckduckgo on all your devie
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answer your questions. i love new hampshire. i went to the white mountains to camp and i learned how the shoot a gun in the saco river learning to fish as well. >> and so the most real threat yet from inside of joe biden and inside of his party. >> yes, kate, i am getting off of the campaign bus, and congressman phillips is essentially leaning on biden to pass the torch. he is saying that biden is a weak general election candidate due to the age, and where the polling is right now, and i asked him why to get into the race so late. he has missed deadline for nevada, and he is really entering the race in the final hour, and he says that he is all but been begging folks in democratic party to challenge the incumbent president, and now that no one has, here he is. let's listen.
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>> it appears that the president joe biden is going to lose the next election, and the numbers are horrific. if you are a democratic voter, and you care about 2024, it matters, and the absence of any competition, any alternative is antithetical to democrat si and -- democracy, and it is important for those who want change, and i'll make my case. >> phillips says that the beltway is going to laugh at him, but there is an appetite for democratic voters who want a alternative. kate? >> than yk you. and we go back to john in maine. >> yes, kate, we are moments away from a news conference in maine, and they have live pictures set up there, and some kind of easel, and apparently they are planning to draw a diagram to let us know the current status of the manhunt
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