he says he made sure that their wives and several young children were undercover when they charged the shooter. both men were killed. tricia ashland worked part-time at the bowling alley and try to call 911 when she was killed. 18 lives. now gone. leroy walker says his way forward is through faith and forgiveness. >> i can't hate this person. i've been taught different than that i hope anyways. and i believe it a lot. and i have to feel that way. you cannot run around this world hating people if you do. these kinds of things will happen. more and more. >> jason carol, thank you for that report. to our viewers, thank you so much for watching. i'll be reporting throughout the weekend. getting tomorrow ãthis 1 pm

eastern with live coverage from tel aviv. until then ããonce again ãã thanks for watching. erin burnett, our front starts right now. [music] >> upfront next. live from israel. the breaking news is dramatic to me. ramping up bombardment of gaza. one of the worlds top reporters in israel telling cnn thousands of soldiers are entering gaza in just the last few hours from israel. this is a new phase. what does it mean for the 200+ hostages inside gaza tonight? and how will hamas retaliate? plus the united states on tyler at this hour telling all americans to get out of lebanon as the pentagon announces that u.s. troops in the region have been attacked 20 times just a few days. an hour of the breaking story this hour. the massive manhunt for their respective government who killed 18 innocent people in maine ããthat search expanding

to me as we are learning troubling new details about when investigators believe robert carr approached his gun. let's go out front. good evening and welcome to a special edition of out front and i'm erin burnett live in tel aviv tonight. we begin tonight with the breaking news. a new phase, thousands of israeli soldiers entering gaza in the last hour or two. those are the words of acts uses break reviewed, one of the most well sourced is really reporters in the world. it comes after a night up bombardment and unrelenting attacks on gaza. israeli military announcing that it's quote expanding on what is already a massive assault on gaza. these are live pictures of northern gaza. clearly dark. nightvision video was taken just a short time ago. and you can see the constant shelling in gaza and that smoke right there. this was actually happening on the ground. huge explosions letting up. in the light sky here and you could see some of those studs here. it's incredibly loud and where nick robertson is but i want to

pause for just a minute so you can actually hear what's happening just south of here. >> this image was taken by her nick robertson who was just two miles away from the gaza border and this you could see the heavy smoke drifting towards israel from gaza completely obliterating any kind of a view he said but that was after having tank fire earlier and moments ago he reviewed and mentioned that i told wolf blitzer just a few minutes ago and he said and and i quote him that there are thousands of soldiers entering the gaza strip from the north in the last hour or two. and we will see more of the as hours passed until the morning. inside gaza is total for near blackout. the internet appears to be almost all out. we cannot see the impact.

we cannot see what or who was being killed or what's happening. most of the internet and phone lines are down. it's a struggle to reach anyone inside gaza. we in fact try to reach out to some of the people that you have become familiar with here outfront.ããthe aide worker and father of two young sons earlier this week witnessed an explosion 500 feet from his home. three young children and the american pediatrician of barbara's in, who is trapped in gaza.our messages to them are not going through. barbara's husband, paul preston who is in colorado told him that he last heard from his wife just after 10 am this morning. his word and he sent us this message. in reality i went and others are in a hostage situation for they held hostage by countries bickering over border (i'm surprised the united states is aligned to many of its citizens to be in danger. we were able to get a brief

dispatch from abraham doc mod. a senior colleague and cnn. he's been sending exclusive reports almost nightly from inside gaza tonight. he was able to get one message out. and he sent us this video with the message that his family of four right now is safe. but here is the sound of increased activity just to the north of where he is. he is in southern gaza. but now at this late hour or hear it's not an early hour, it's about 2 o'clock in the morning. but those increased early tax mean for the fate of the 229 hostages is unknown. cnn learned that the white house is actively working behind the scenes to secure the release of those being held captive, but these talks are extremely fragile. we do know that of at least 10 americans were still unaccounted for. all right, we have our entire team of reporters standing by after 2 am at israel where there's too much action on that gaza border per jeremy diamond is along the gaza border. jim shooter was in northern israel. i want to begin with you jeremy. what is the very latest you're seeing and hearing tonight?

amidst these reports of thousands of soldiers israeli soldiers point into gaza as we speak? >> well erin ããmore than seven hours now after israel began this intensified bombing campaign and an expanded ground operation inside of gaza. we are continuing to hear the steady thugs of explosions coming from inside the gaza strip. it's extremely rare for us to continue to be hearing explosions this late at night and yes, it's been constant for the past seven hours. not only the most intense and sustained bombardment of gaza that we been hearing. over the nearly 3 weeks that we've been covering this war, but the loudest blooms shaking really this hotel, where we are. which is about six miles away from the gaza strip. and we are also hearing helicopters overhead and drone activity as well. these are the sights and sounds that we have not heard over the past several weeks and the images coming out of gaza and these strikes are just absolutely stunning and terrifying when you consider

the fact that there are people in the gaza strip and we know that this ability casualties have only been rising over these recent days as israel has been intensifying its strikes and gaza and also beginning to carry out some of these targeted grades, which they say is intended to take out these hamas tunnels and other infrastructure in preparation for a larger scale ground invasion of gaza. now what we don't know erin is whether or not this expanded ground operation that we are witnessing this evening whether or not that is at ground invasion. that top is really military and political leaders have been telegraphing now for days. vowing that it will come at a time and place of israel's choosing. we don't know yet whether that has begun this evening. but what we do know as you hear more thugs overhead right now ã ãis that this could risk the negotiations that have been ongoing and very sensitive complex negotiations in recent days to try and secure the release of some of those civilian hostages being held inside of gaza.

earlier today i spoke with a senior u.s. official who said regardless of what israel is doing tonight ããexpanding this operation is those talks will continue. but certainly again, less optimism now about the fate of those talks than earlier in the day.aaron? >> hello jeremy. thank you very much. i will go on now to eli levy, the government spokesperson here. you are here with me after 2 o'clock in the morning. you are here for reason for this a lot happening right now. what is israel doing today?>> israel at the moment is pushing ahead with its campaign to defeat and destroy hamas response to the october 7 massacre.it's been only three weeks since hamas death squads invaded southern israel butchering, burning, beheading, raping, torturing, mutilating their way through our southern communities. they killed 1400 people, but the most spectacular and cruel violence taking 2000 including children and decided that

israel can no longer live with these jihad enclave on our borders but it's not an end with the cease-fire and hamas deterred.this is a war. a war that hamas declared on us on october 7 and war that we are going to win. >> so we now three weeks into this ããthousands and thousands of airstrikes, special spoke special forces rate so on gaza nearly a decade and then tonight. it has gotten bigger. barack david has reported a thousand israeli soldiers have gone in. and are going in over these next two hours. what can you tell us? are they staying in? >> israel is expanding those ground operations are not going to speculate or comment on whether or not this is the invasion. incursion. but it's important to understand what's coming up. the days ahead are going to be long and they're going to be difficult because we are going to go after the totality of the hamas terror and governing

infrastructure inside the gaza strip. after that she had group perpetrated the october 7 massacre and this war will end with no more hamas in the gaza strip. you're going to go after every tunnel, every rocket launcher, every hamas commander, every hamas footsoldier, and we will totally destroy the hamas organization so that they can never again her our siblings like they did on october 7. >> if you go after every tunnel, you willing to accept some of the deaths of those israeli hostages but we are demanding the unconditional return. the fact that they affected 230 ããwe are demanding that they because they released for hostages under international pressure. that pressure both from the israeli military and diplomatic pressure is increasing criminal: on the whole world to put more pressure on hamas and its commanders, and its supporters as well, because we want our civilians back. there's no excuse for holding them hostage inside of gaza. >> if you continue though this

is so obviously, the reality of it is that they may not see it that way. the reality is that they may say too bad. we're gonna hold your hostages. is it true? is it fair to say that israel has made a choice? that if you have to choose between hostages and getting rid of hamas, you've chosen to get rid of hamas? >> that's completely incorrect. israel stated warrants to return the hostages and to destroy the terror organization that took them captive so that they can never again abduct our civilians. those two aims bringing back to hostages and destroy hamas go hand and hand. >> can you tell us about the silence that we are seeing in gaza tonight? not the actual silence, but the sound from the communications perspective? >> i have not ãã [indiscernible] >> is that can change? >> i have no comment on that but. >> nothing to comment on that? another question for you in these hours here as ããis reporting here that you can be continuing to send more

soldiers in. the other night that you've gone in and you've come back out. is there any guidance that you can give us? on the plane here? >> i'm not going to comment on operational matters, but the two weeks now, israel has been urging civilians in the gaza strip to move south because hamas has embedded its tunnels under schools and homes and hospitals just today they released intelligence showing that hamas's command bunkers underneath the hospital, which is of course an atrocious work rent use civilians that way. as human shields. so as israel goes in and the days ahead, we are asking siblings to get out of the way temporarily for their safety. >> there are thousands of people who are not hamas there. >> america comment on operational matters, but we've been very clear. we're going to destroy the totality of hamas's governing enter infrastructure. inside the gaza strip and we are urging civilians to get out of the way for their own safety. >> all right. thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight to.

>> thank you. >> levy, spokesperson for the israeli government now i'm a retired lieutenant governor and general ben hodges are former commanding generals of the u.s. army europe joining me now. general heartland, let me start with you now.i want to talk about operational details, but the reality of it is here that you already have the biggest round of ground assault on gaza and a decade this week. tonight, the counterattack in gaza is expanding could we have barack reviewed report. he expects that to continue into the early hours of the morning as dawn approaches here. what do you think we are looking at? >> well, we cannot define it uniquely aaron. it could be one of several things. it could be an expansion of their operations as you stated. it could be the initial stages of an assault. with more forces going in. or it could be sending an additional message to hamas saying that we are tired of playing around with getting the hostages back. we're going to start the

operation. but from my take, truthfully seeing this kind of operation before, with the extensive amount of bombing and artillery barrages and movement of forces, this seems to be the early stages of troop movements into the gaza strip. >> general hodges, on top of this, as we are keeping up live pictures of gaza both to emphasize the darkness and also so people can see what explosions do light up the sky because we do here a lot of action there along that border and a lot of sound. right now. there does appear to be part of this blackout, internet, cell, outage general hodges. do you ããyou heard he refused to comment on whether that would continue. what do you think we are looking at on the and does that ããis that now going to remain this way?>> well ããof course, i agree with how martin has described things to knock out the communications would be a logical thing to do for the israeli defense force. to make it difficult for hamas to reposition and director on troops in their response. this has a feeling to me of israeli forces that are going

to fill the spaces that are there. they are going to try and dominate as much of gaza as they can as they continue to build up. and these first couple of sort of armored rates that went in ã ãi think were intended to develop intelligence and figure out how has hamas been defending? where are there gaps? where are they ããwhere are there potential traps? and now you're seeing the mass of troops starting to come in and begin to fill the spaces and i think to accomplish the in-state that the advisor or the spokesman just described is going to require time, but a lot of them to be able to dominate that space. >> general heartland, you committed u.s. forces in northern iraq, that means of course you were in mosul. is that worse? >> this is exponentially worse. aaron. there were a couple of fights and i was involved in one of them in 2007, eight. from our command and fought for several months along with five divisions of iraqi forces. this is a tough fight. and they don't compare in terms

of relative enemy action. in most all, we had al qaeda in 2007 and 2008. they were in the city in and out of the city ingress and egress. they did not have the kinds of supplies that hamas has. they didn't have the underground tunnel extensive network ããthey didn't have as many citizens as our in gaza 2.2 million. they didn't have the two or three years to prepare for an invasion into the city of mosul. they just went in and started fighting. so this is going to be exceedingly tough for the israeli army. exponentially tough for them than what we ever faced. >> that's a sobering reality exponentially tougher. general hodges, heidi think is really forces are dealing with the tunnels in these ground assault on gaza? i mean, if you're floating thousands there tonight, tunnels are the absolute core of any assault. we think is happening there?

>> well, i think the israeli defense force of their probably as well equipped and trained to do this as anybody's army. they will probably use a combination of ground penetrating radar as well as other means to identify the tunnels. and then they will be making tactical decisions about the tunnels that either get or are destroyed or sealed off or maybe they decide to go in some of them to find out where the network goes. with that ããthat's going to be very dangerous obviously. but they know what they are up against. and they probably have the right equipment and training to do this. >> right. all right, thank you both. thank you very much. i appreciate your time. next, hamas making a rare public plea. just ahead of these thousands of troops pouring over the border that we are seeing now. this is the negotiations to

free more than 200 hostages. tonight, are hanging by a thread if that could my next guest is speaking to sources in hamas leadership it will tell you what he's learning at this late or early hour.just into cnn, the u.s. on high alert connected american troops in the middle east have been attacked 20 times in just a few days. we have the very latest from the pentagon this hour and hour of the breaking story tonight with the manhunt for the government who killed 18 people shifting to the water tonight. as we are learning more about a note the alleged government left behind. [music]

[music] >> breaking news continues live in tel aviv today. these are live images over gaza where israel has stepped up its bombardment in a massive way tonight. the escalation coming as hamas is making a rare public plea for help. a senior hamas official telling the ap today that they need his allies to play a bigger role in the were saying quote they are now working against the occupation could we appreciate this, but we need more in order to stop the aggression on gaza. we expect more. we expect more. that's from a position of strength that would see that the u.s. is imploring u.s. citizens in lebanon where of course his bullet is now while commercial flights are still available. jim should know is outside tonight and he's near the israeli border with lebanon in the north and israel border. jim increased fears, especially if the u.s. says get up before commercial flights and and that the risk is that it could

happen but that would happen israel is fighting another front in this war on the north. right where you are tonight. >> listen, there are multiple potential additional fronts in this one. if you look at the hezbollah side to the north and to lebanon ããattacks have been limited but regular print there are two more today and as you noted, even hamas seems to be somewhat underwhelmed by hezbollah's involvement so far. that does not mean that israel is not taking that threat seriously. the towns in the north have been evacuated. mandatory evacuations and israel has devoted many tens of thousands of forces to the north to head off that possibility and keep in mind that there are other fronts that have been opened up. iranian backed militias as you mentioned before. firing on iraq and syria and the last 24 hours firing back to f-16s attacking iranian bases in eastern syria, where they know iranian forces themselves are based. not just iranian backed militias, but members of the

iranian revolutionary guard corps. each of those fronts as the potential to escalate from where it is today. and there is great concern of that. in particular, in reaction to an expanded israeli ground defense in gaza. the worry has been that if hamas is existence is threatened, that that might be what ããmakes the decision even with great risk faces an encounter or interaction with israel that they would make the decision than that they have to get in. have to get into the war. >> and jim, these intensified attacks are happening as there are more than 200 hostages being held in gaza. the latest number actually went up a little bit earlier today from 229 from admiral had gory from the idf, where do the negotiations, such that they even exist at this moment stand right now? >> yes. listen, we don't know because there has been so much contradictory reports. our colleagues reported today that some of those involved in those negotiations that a breakthrough was nearby the idf spokesman just a few hours ago

spec said that that kind of talk with rumors. he used the word rumors and of course, we now see is really forces at least stepping up military action in gaza, which would seem to prevent any substantive negotiations and it's been confirmed from u.s. officials that once israel goes into a a greater degree that the lives of those hostages are threatened and that the possibility of substance negotiations wanes or disappears, you did hear john kirby from the podium at the white house this afternoon say that the u.s. support supports some pause in military operations in gaza to allow for those negotiations to continue, but tonight aaron, we are not seeing a pause paid we are seeing quite the opposite from gaza and israel. >> tonight, that is the case. anti-semitic jim shooter. along that lebanon border with israel and i want to going out to slimy l darr. he's here with me in tel aviv and is a journalist who's reported on tel aviv

constantly. the senior hamas commander he spoke to him on the day of the attacks. these texted with him. obviously tonight, impossible to get a hold of him because there's no service in gaza at this moment. >> there underground so it's not we are not supposed to talk to them for. >> the hostage negotiations, you've done extensive reporting on that. where does this stand? >> i think there's no negotiation anymore. and it was a negotiation and and i think what we have been talking about ããhostages that they would release. the last one off was that hamas will release the foreigners. the hostages that with double citizenship and that's it. the ones that came to the american american delegation and americans delegations said that we will not accept this election and this election is very sensitive and in jewish history. so they added more hostages and just for human deterrence. the head leader of hamas said in moscow that he said no

hostages releasing when we don't have a cease-fire. and he expended by cease-fire. he says there are many, many hostages that are not held by hamas pit maybe they are in families that. >> tried to opportunistically kidnap them for money or something.>> for money and we have to search them and find them and even if we wanted to find them, we need a cease-fire. this kind of game. and the negotiation held by ãã and i want to add something that's very, very important. the double edge sword by qatar appeared on one hand, they are negotiating with hamas and on the other hand ããthey are providing asylum to the top leader of hamas and ããhad marshall and they are now a war criminal. after october 7 ããthey are not the head of the organization. they are a war criminal.this is the double game. i would like to give you kind of an explanation that one of my friends is it editor of the

newspaper ããi'm hoping he's not angry that i took his explanation. he says it's like a charlie chaplin film. you give the little boy throwing stones on the glass window glass that he broke it and then they call him to repair the glass. this is the same rule that qatar is playing. >> that qatar is playing? >> it's important because qatar would like to be a superpower in the area. to replace the mediator egyptian mediators. >> so some of these hostages, they are devastated. and they are hoping against hope. they fought for quite some time that the israeli government would put the goals-against hamas ahead of hostages. not all of them, but several that i've spoken to have felt that way. what should they be prepared for now? i mean ããdo you think the

hostages that are there that most of them will stay alive? do you think that they could be held for a long time? >> i think that hamas knows how important it is to keep them alive. this is a guarantee for them. and i would just like to remind us how they ããfor six years. >> six years? >> yes, six years. this is the dilemma that was taken ããthe decision was taken.that we can play into two games. or the hostages or the targeting hamas exterminate them. i think that the public opinion in israel asked for the government. to extradite hamas because ãã weeks bridged tragedy and we cannot bear it anymore. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. and ashley main and i are here at 2:30 eastern time. u.s. is a tech 20 times in the middle e east.

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[music] >> welcome back to a special edition of outfront and we are live from israel and me breaking news just into cnn. the united states and eiler as israel expands its attacks on gaza per pentagon officials just revealing that american forces have been targeted in 20 attacks in the past 11 days. if u.s. officials of course are

worried that more attacks are eminent. warren lieberman is alive at the pentagon breaking those details and warren, what you learning right now? >> 20 attacks over the past 11 days at eight different locations where the u.s. and the coalition have forces across iraq and syria. four in iraq and four interior per the may read those also you get a sense of these and it will give you an idea of how different and how varied these attacks are and how many simply there have been. many of these drone and rocket attacks in iraq, at the airbase, bashore, baghdad diplomatic support center and rebuild. in syria, garrison, mission support site, euphrates, the moon landing zone and syria. some have had more than one attack in the past few days. for example, ããairbase in iraq has had seven different black and drone attacks attacking u.s. and coalition forces there. the u.s. carrying out to attacks in facilities using islam's and iranian backed militias in the group militias and these are self-defense strikes. in that, you get a sense from

secretary of defense lloyd that you get ããthis is limited in the fight that using gaza does not spread to the other parts of the middle east. aaron? >> all right warren, thank you so much as we are looking at live images over gaza right here right now. give you the time, 2:30 4 am eastern and look at that darkness. darkness often illuminated by light and explosions. but completely dark. since the electricity and a complete internet blockage completely out right now. many of the strikes that we've seen over these past few hours happening with just a few minutes within a few minutes of each other. the reporter barack in review is reporting right now that just moments ago he was talking to wolf blitzer and he said this. >> there are thousands of soldiers that are entering the gaza strip from the north in the last hour or two and i think we will see more of that as hours pass until the morning. >> and that picture live as a

live camera that we now have on that gaza border but let's go to tom for forger now at the wall. you heard they're entering the gaza strip a few hours ago and he's is continuing into these early hours in the morning as we are watching. can you give us a sense of how widespread and intense the strikes on hamas have been in this war? >> they been unlike anything we've seen in decades. dating back probably into the 1980s. and really very, very intense. from the air, artillery on the grounds, from tanks firing 2000 and 3000 meters away from the sea. tremendous pressure on this entire region as israel goes after what it says or hamas targets. in many ways, what is happening is israel is trying to shape the battlefield and they can describe that we seen tanks and bulldozers working to edge

where they are taking out fences, knocking out potential tech defenses and defense positions. minefields, improvised explosives, even shaping the ground so that if they start moving in with those bigger pieces there, they will not be held up by single lane roads and birds and little hills. not the way we saw the russians get held up in ukraine and of course, aaron, we've all seen the aftermath of this tremendous tremendous damage. some places and buildings are completely gone. whole blocks are gone and as you mentioned, communications, resources, a lot of things, tremendously changing here under this enormous bombardment, aaron.>> all right, and you have a sense, tom, of where they are hitting? >> yes. yes. we do very much have a sense of that. it's all in the northern part up here. we mentioned our friend from axioms mentioned the area that he's talking about is right here in this part. this is where he's ceiling is

really troops already in and moving. but we know most of it is in here. most of it is this caliper that's because most of the population was paid we don't really know where they are now in this sense and we don't know how many have moved away per there are strikes down here. but this area is more than twice the population down here in terms of density of people. so most of the men appear, that's where hamas has been believed to be settled and if you look at the latest satellite analysis that we have here, every one of these little yellow and orange dots up here represents the damaged building or a bomb crater. there may be numerous explosions that went into the area. the new york times has at 7000 different strikes so far in this in this battle. and it is not stopped yet. aaron, we have an idea. it's focused in the area here where in gaza where hamas is believed to have his tunnels and its defenses and an awful lot of its command-and-control structure. >> all right, thank you very much tom foreman. next, authorities revealed that

they perceived 500 tips as the gunman who killed 18 people expands in maine. we're gonna tell you where police are now focusing their search tonight. plus we are learning about the victims. including one man who lost his own life running towards the government to save others. [music]

[music] >> breaking news, the intense manhunt in maine widening tonight as the search has now reached 48 hours per police searching a lake in maine. investigators now say that they received more than 500 tips and 100 videos. still no sign of the suspect

tonight. mark mendez is out front. >> law enforcement has not seen him in the last two days. >> tonight, the manhunt for the suspected mass gunman, robert card intensifies. law enforcement teams focusing on an area in southern maine. the same area cards white station wagon was found at a river boat launch after the shooting.>> we will be putting divers in the water along that this goggin river that you see here. >> while teams search the water, they are still out there right now. >> and they will be there as long as they can. >> officials say the ground search is not over.>> they're gonna be out the woods and there to be out crawling around. investigators swarming the area by car and helicopter today checking all possible leads and reminding residents that card should be considered armed and dangerous. even with the shelter in place orders not being rescinded. authorities found in ar 15 style rifle inside cards vehicle as well as a cell phone

and a new inside of the home. authorities say the suspect did not expect to be alive when the note was found. card is accused of killing at least 18 people ranging in age from 14 to 76 years old.and injuring 13 others inside of a lewiston bar and the bowling alley wednesday night. one of the victims, 53-year-old, tricia asselin worked at just-in-time recreation part-time. she was off work wednesday night bowling with her sister when the shooting started. >> we heard a loud noise. and i was not sure what it was. until i heard another shot. and i knew and i've seen it. i could not see her. and everybody was running. and i got caught in people trampling and running out. >> joey walker minutes should mcgee's bar and grill part one

of 18 killed. >> joe walker is not a number. >> ted stevens says he knew walker and saw him it should 90s often. >> they do not have numbers. they were people living and breathing and caring. loving people. and they are not anymore. and there is no rational explanation as to why not. >> walker's father said his son tried to stop the government with the butchers knife before he was killed. even still he says he does not harbor hate or anger against the government. >> if to put that part of it. you have to put it out of your mind. you have to let the law do whatever needs to be done. >> and that's the type of pain a lot of people here are dealing with in this community. now on the investigative side ã ãwe knew that the suspect, robert card had been referred for medical evaluation.he was an army reservist and referred after he told army personnel that he was hearing voices while sources tell us now that

cnn that they believe that he purchased the high-powered rifle used in these attacks 10 days 10 days after i believe those interactions i should say it happened 10 days after he purchased this rifle and what authorities site was a legal manner.that of course highlights one side of the investigation as the more pressing one continues where the suspect actually is as we had officially passed the 40 hour mark with no sign of where he may be. >> all right omar, thank you very much on the ground there and let's go to tim clemente, former fbi swat team and former fbi special agent. so tim, right now police are searching the lake. near the boat dock where the suspect's car was found. and we can see in our league basically searching underwater. we now know that robert carr left underwater and did not

expect to be alive when it was found. but do you still think that there is a strong chance that he's alive and on the run? tell us why. >> well aaron, there's only one of two possibilities here. one is that that note was a suicide note and it was his last will and testament to his family or friends and then he killed himself. the other possibility is that it was a misdirect for law enforcement to leave his gun and leave his car and leave his phone behind. leave a note behind and then go on the run.is not that far from the canadian border. obviously american authorities are going to be searching for him diligently, but the canadians may be looking for him only at the border and not beyond that point. so i think he has an opportunity to fluidly flee into the wilderness of the great white north and stay for

some time. eric rudolph was able to evade authorities in the woods and mountains in north carolina for a few years. so a person like this could easily do it in another country for an extended period of time. >> so hunting season begins tomorrow and parts of maine. and they decided to prevent hunting in the form main areas where they are searching. but it's gonna continue obviously, in other parts. do you think this might be a significant thing. tell me what you think it means for the search. >> well, it becomes a force multiplier. if those hundreds or thousands of hunters are going through the woods of maine ããand this guy is hiding out there somewhere, there's a greater likelihood that he will be seen because otherwise those woods are probably not very occupied right now except for those hunters. and so you of a bunch of armed men and women wearing orange and moving to the woods and if there's somebody hiding out that is holed up somewhere ãã i would assume that most of these hunters are aware of this

manhunt and the fact that he's out there. so ããi'm sure there will be a lot of calls if anyone sees anything or hears anything ãã unusual ãjust sees footprints or signs of an encampment that's hidden or something like that. i'm sure authorities will get a lot of great tips from this. >> so tim, please rescinded the shelter in place or to put what's the significance of that and what would you be looking for for them to determine whether it really was a head fake. the note, right? whether he did try to flee. >> the first thing is that if there's no remains. you know?if he killed himself, there's no reason for him to travel beyond where he left the note or where he left his car and left his phone. if he indeed intended to kill himself. so the fact that he's not there would lead me to believe that he's moved on.in the rescinding of this shelter in place order you cannot hold people for too long if you remember back when we were covering the bombing at the marathon in boston.you know? that's a shelter in place order

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pictures out of gaza. this is our camera on the border. you can see the complete darkness. the internet is out. everything has been completely knocked out there. we have seen a steady stream of explosions, though, throughout this hour. we are monitoring developments as well there, as we see our nic robertson can hear things along that border as well. developments in the donald trump legal saga as well to update you on. we found out that ivanka trump must testify in person. the judge rejecting a bid -- ivanka was initially defendant with her father and brothers but in an appellate court ruled the claims brought against her were too old. it is a blow for team trump, and it comes just after trump's former lawyer michael cohen testified against him, the first time in five years they were face-to-face. i spoke to michael cohen about his testimony and what it felt like to see trump up close.

a lot to talk to you about. but i want to begin with this moment. this is a deeply personal moment, first time in five years that you and donald trump are in the same room together after being in the same room together every single day for almost your entire career, for so many years. you were sentenced to three years behind bars for what you call "dirty deeds" that you committed on behalf of him. what was it like in that room face to face? >> i walked in, i sat in -- you know, everybody, you know, witness approaching, and you know, i saw him sitting over the table. it wasn't until i took the seat in the -- by the judge's stand that i was confused on how i was going to be. and actually i felt nothing. it was so weird that here i am sitting directly across from donald trump, and i felt absolutely nothing. and then directly over his left shoulder was his son, eric, who

also i maintained a relationship with. and i felt absolutely nothing. i looked at him, and i said to myself, boy, what a sad looking, pathetic, deflated individual. >> so, you testified that it was up to you and then chief financial officer allen weisselberg to make trump's financial statements match what he wanted them to be, what he wanted his net worth to be. so, you gave an example, michael. you said you were called into trump's office in trump tower. you walk in there, big desk in the corner. and quote, he would look at the total assets and say, i'm not worth $4.5 billion. i'm really worth more like 6. and then you said you would go back. you would reverse engineer the value of his properties, one by one, to make it work. did you make the case that trump actually cooked the books, that he actually directed you to do that? >> the answer is, yes.

i think that the attorney general's office has more than enough information. in fact, they've already lost that point. it was already determined by judge engoron that the trump organization committed fraud. the rest of the case right now is all about discouragement. how much money is the attorney general going to seek in terms of damages based upon the actions of and the trump organization with a baseline -- a baseline -- of 250 million? i predict it's going to be more like over 600 million. >> well, trump's lawyer, michael -- and you mac a fair point about the judge, having already come to that conclusion, right? and this is a judge trial, not a jury trial. but trump's lawyer did reference your congressional testimony in 2019. and of course, michael, that's when you said you couldn't recall whether trump or weisselberg directed you to lie

about trump's net worth. trump's lawyer referenced that testimony in court. she asked you explicitly and directly, quote, mr. cohen, were you being honest in front of the select committee when you testified? you said, no. she responded, so, you lied under oath. is that your testimony? and you said, yes. michael, here's what i want to understand. later on in that day, another one of trump's lawyers asked you about that same testimony, and the quote was, so, you're saying that this was truthful testimony, yes or no? referring, again, to that 2019 testimony. and you said, yes. so, i'm trying to understand, michael, what were you saying? was it truthful? was it not truthful? >> did he specifically -- no. donald never came out and said specifically, michael and allen, i want to inflate the numbers to be 6 billion instead of 5 billion. what he does -- and i've stated this many times. i wrote about it in my books. donald trump speaks like a mob boss. what he does is he says, you

know, i'm actually not worth $5 billion. i'm worth 6. why don't you guys go and figure it out. that's not specifically telling us. so, the answer is, my statement to congress is actually accurate based upon the specific language that was asked of me. but what it didn't do -- and it does it later on in the document -- is it goes ahead and it talks about how he directed allen weisselberg and myself to go back to allen's office and figure it out. >> and you knew what that meant. so, you're saying, he didn't say, michael, go inflate my assets. what he said was, hey, michael, my net worth is 6 billion, go figure it out. you're saying, it's the same thing, but in terms of the wording used in the question, that's why you answered it differently? >> exactly. he directed us in order to do it. the only way, of course, to do it is to increase the value of the assets in that statement of

financial condition. we did it. we then returned to his office, and it took a couple of days. we returned to his office with hand-marked up documents for his approval. >> so, he knew what you did. he saw it? he saw the numbers? >> of course. >> the old numbers. he saw the new numbers. that was explicit. >> not only was it explicit, there were some he didn't think were high enough, that we should go back and increase it thereto. >> michael cohen, thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> erin, it's great to see you, and please stay safe. >> all right. i should note, michael cohen is the author of the book, "revenge" and the is host of two podcasts. thanks very much to all of you for joining us, as we can hear explosions in the background over gaza. i'll be back tonight at 10:00 on cnn, but our coverage from israel continues now with israel continues now with anderson. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com