♪ hello, i'm brianna keilar with boris sanchez here in washington. we have wolf blitzer in tel aviv and you are watching cnn's special live coverage of israel at war. today we are tracking several major developments from the battlefield, just a short time ago the idf confirming one of

their soldiers who was kidnapped by hamas on october 7th has been released or is now in their custody. private ori megidish who is seen here, said to be doing well and has been reunited with her family. >> we're also hearing directly from some of the other 230 plus hostages held by hamas, the terror group release ago short video showing three women held captive. cnn is not showing that footage but in it one of the hostages who may obviously be under duress speaks directly to israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, pleading for freedom. the prime minister spoke just moments ago about the need not only to rescue the hostages but also for israel to continue this war for the sake of its own survival. >> just as the united states would not agree to a ceasefire after the bombing of pearl harbor, or after the terrorist attack of 9/11, israel will not agree to a cessation of hostilities with hamas after the

horrific attacks of october 7th. calls for a ceasefire are calls for israel to surrender to hamas. to surrender to terrorism, to surrender to barbarism. that will not happen. >> overnight the idf sent in more ground troops into northern gaza, escalating what israel calls the second stage of its war on hamas. i want to head to you now in tel aviv, wolf. >> brianna, the israeli military operations are crippling gaza's already fragile infrastructure. the united nations a warning that civil order is, quote, breaking down even as aid slowly makes its way into the enclave. in the next hour the u.n. security council is set to hold an emergency meeting about israel's ground operations in gaza. in the meantime let's get right to cnn's nic robertson joining us in sderot, israel, about a mile or so from the gaza border.

major developments happening where you are in the last hour. first of all, what do we know about this idf soldier who has now been released by hamas? >> reporter: yeah, she has had medical checks, she's doing well, is the assessment from those medical checks, she's been given by the idf, and she has been reunited with her family. i think those -- that speaks volumes, the picture of her standing there with -- surrounded by her family also speaks volumes. she was at a military post in makhachkala on that fateful saturday morning and was one of those taken by hamas into gaza at that time. what we understand from the idf is that she was released through a ground operation. they're not giving really any details about that ground operation. it's not clear if they came across the place that she was

hidden as part of the ground effort that's under way right now or perhaps they received some intelligence. we know that the idf, we know they're private individuals, have been appealing to the residents of gaza to provide any information they might have about the possible location of hostages. all those details right now are still secret but she is back with her family and i think for the people of israel, for her family, for all the other families who still have hostages inside of gaza it's a moment of hope. it's a moment perhaps many people didn't think would come so quickly in this ground incursion, wolf. >> i'm hearing some noise behind you right now, nic, i wonder if you could tell us what that is. >> reporter: we're hearing some artillery going into gaza. we're hear fighter jets flying overhead but by the day here we see different types of munitions being used. two or three minutes ago we were

watching some rockets or something dropping on to gaza from almost vertically above t perhaps from a helicopter that we couldn't see and hear in the darkness, but the knew anythings that are being brought to bear in gaza have changed to a degree and that perhaps is in part because the idf says the way that they're working there now with the troops on the ground, the troops identify a target, a cell of hamas and then those troops call in for air support on that -- on that particular location. and that i think is what we're witnessing from here, very hard to know at night, very hard to know without the idf giving clarity, but that fact that we're seeing a change of tactics, the aircraft are there bringing in strikes, the artillery is there also bringing in strikes, but these different rockets that we were seeing firing down before, that's something new, wolf. >> all right. nic, thank you. we will get back to you. stand by and stay safe over there. joining us now cnn military analyst, retired air force

colonel cedric leighton. thank you so much for joining us. as you know, the idf says one of its soldiers was released during ground operations in gaza overnight. does her release, this israeli soldier, does her release show that this second phase of this war is actually working? do you expect we will see more hostages released in the coming days? >> well, i think there will be a lot of luck involved in that, wolf, but it's certainly a positive development. one of the key things to look at here is the fact that this seems to have taken place in a ground operation so probably not as the result of hamas releasing her, but of the israelis being able to go in and through special operations tactics and some type of special operations team, whether it was from the military actually going in and freeing her. so that is significant. we obviously need to know more details about that, but my suspicion is that it was a release of that type where the

israelis went in and found her using intelligence or plain operational luck to get her, but i think intelligence played a part in this. >> we will find out i'm sure sooner rather than later. this second phase, colonel, of israel's war in hamas has seen israeli ground troops going into gaza, fighting the terrorists and sprawling underground tunnels that the hamas terrorists -- terrorist group has built over these past several years. what challenges does fighting in that kind of environment, deep underground tunnels, pose for the idf? >> well, there's significant challenges, wolf. one of the main things is that the spaces for the most part are very narrow, these entrances that we've seen, you know, in the videos that we've shown from years past are probably about the same entrances that they have for their newest tunnels, narrow, some of them em cased in concrete, others not, but it's very difficult to stand in those

areas and that means it's very difficult to fight in them. people that come in to breach the tunnels, the soldiers that come in to breach the tunnels are going to have to crawl in and find their way in the dark through various cavernous areas within those tunnels and it's really, really difficult not only to fight in them, but it's very difficult to find other people in them. so it's both friend and foe. it's a very difficult environment and the environment can be changed very quickly, especially if the air supply is cut off to the tunnel or if for some reason the tunnel caves in, which is a risk during these kinds of military operations. >> it reminds me of when i was covering an earlier confrontation, colonel, between israel and hamas in gaza back in 2014. the israelis -- the israeli military allowed me to get into one of those tunnels and i walked through that tunnel, crawled in to begin with and then i walked, you know, a

while, it was a very, very long tunnel, pretty sophisticated, though, i must say with a lot of concrete and it was eye-opening because at the time -- and this is going back to 2014 -- i was told that the hamas terrorists were building these tunnels in order to sneak into israel and kill israelis and capture israelis and the ones that would be captured would be brought back into gaza in these tunnels. it was just an eye-opening experience for me. i think i was the first journalist they allowed into one of those tunnels at the time. it's very, very complex. how do you fight some sort of urban warfare with deep underground tunnels like this, especially if you assume that some of the hostages are actually being held in those tunnels? >> yeah, it's really difficult. as you saw when you were there in 2014, wolf, the way in which those tunnels are built, it's really designed more or less as a conduit for the hamas terrorists to go from point a to point b and be undetected.

so when you get into something like that and you're armed, you have military gear that you're taking with you, that stuff a heavy and you have to maneuver all of those things in addition to your weapons and it's really, really tough to do that. so you have to know where you're going as much as you possibly can and you have to also be prepared for the unexpected and that's one of the key things where the israelis have done a lot of practice in this area and they know that some of these tunnels at least are ones where they have to be prepared to turn quickly, you know, use certain explosives that they wouldn't use in other areas and also employ other types of weapons that they might not employ in an above-ground scenario. it's extremely difficult. takes a lot of training and practice and if the israelis were able to release their soldier like this by an operation like this that would show some of this training is definitely paying off.

>> it would be interesting indeed. as you know, two u.s. aircraft carrier battle groups are now positioned in the eastern mediterranean, not far from tel aviv where i am right now, not far from gaza or lebanon for that matter. the u.s. says those strike forces are acting as a deterrent against any actors who may try to spark a wider conflict across the middle east, specifically iran. that's what the u.s. has in mind. what military capabilities does this maneuvering give the u.s. in the region? >> one of the things that these aircraft carrier groups bring into a theater like the eastern mediterranean is a lot of air power. we don't have air bases except for a few minor exceptions in the eastern mediterranean and what they do is they bring all that air power to bear in an area where it could potentially be useful to keep others away from it. so what they are as a deterrent is a force that can intercept

and remove, if necessary, airplanes or drones that are coming into a war zone like the gaza area is right now. so that's one of the big things. and it also allows them because the aircraft that are on the carrier can fly large distances, they can also carry out retaliatory missions should they be called upon to do so. so we have two areas where those could come from, the eastern mediterranean with these aircraft carriers and also from the persian gulf area where we have permanent bases in places like qatar. >> a lot of fighter jets on those two u.s. aircraft carriers as well. colonel leighton, thanks as usual for joining us. amidst all of this the united nations secretary general says the secretary in gaza i'm quoting him now is more desperate, is growing more desperate by the hour. so far today just 26 trucks packed with critically needed supplies have actually made it into gaza according to a witness

over at the rafah crossing, the border crossing between egypt and southern gaza. joining us now is a spokesman for the palestine red crescent society. thank you very much for joining us. your organization said trucks packed with aid often do not actually get to enter into gaza. why are some of them held back and how many trucks does your group think reached gaza today? s>> so as you just mentioned at today evening we have received around 26 trucks which has food, water, medical supplies and medicines. this make the total of 144 trucks, which has been allowed into gaza since the beginning of the escalation. all of them does have food, water, medical supplies and medicine. unfortunately up to this moment fuel has not been allowed to get into gaza. what we call for is an unstopped

safe entry of humanitarian aid into gaza, including fuel. >> as you know, nebal, we saw lots of loots over at u.n. facilities over the weekend in gaza. what do you know of the situation on the ground inside gaza right now? >> the situation on the ground is literally catastrophic, more than 2 million palestinian civilians now are hungry, lacking food, water, medicine along with electricity and no -- literally nothing. so the situation is so hard as you all saw as you know over 1 million and 400,000 palestinians have been internally can i say placed into gaza strip. if we are talking about the situation in the south, because of the evacuation orders, now people are just -- the south is

overrun. it's literally impossible to find an apartment to rent, either you are staying with your relatives if you have one or even schools, lacking very basic needs or whatsoever -- >> i know your organization, nebal, has issued multiple alerts that it cannot fully evacuation the hospital in gaza. describe how difficult the situation is right now. >> so let me just finish an idea regarding the situation in the north. because they don't want the aid to get into the north the problem now we're getting aid but this aid is not allowed to go to gaza and the north where there is the most people are in

need or even hospitals. you just highlighted the palestine red crescent run hospital and since yesterday we have received several threats from israeli occupation forces to evacuate the hospital. we have around 500 parents inside the hospital, many are in the intensive care unit basically they are -- most of them are children who are critically injured and connected to life support and machines. there was no way we will be able to evacuate them safely. evacuating them means killing of them. we have also around 14,000 civilians who are internally displaced, those who can't evacuate to the south they are inside our hospital, most are children and women. we also have our staff which at least 100 medical staff for what we call on is simply a protection for civilians, medical personnel and facilities

according to the international humanitarian law and it's not only what we are saying this, even the w.h.o. has announced repeatedly that evacuation orders against hospitals are impossible to implement because they constitute a penalty for patients and these evacuation orders are -- >> very, very tough situation indeed. nebal, i think our connection may be in trouble but we will continue this conversation down the road. she is with the palestinian red crescent society doing important work in gaza for sure. for more information about how you can help humanitarian efforts in israel and gaza, go to cnn.com/impact. amid the ground operations that are ongoing in gaza right now, hostages held captive, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is facing mounting political pressure at home. we will have more on that just ahead. also, crowds storm the

dagestan airport in russia after a plane lands from tel aviv. stay with cnn our special coverage continues right after this short break.

back now to our continuing coverage of israel's war on hamas. israeli forces are now conducting what they call the second phase of their military operations in gaza. ground troops are engaging hamas militants inside the enclave, but back in israel the prime minister benjamin netanyahu is facing intense backlash from both critics and some political allies. over the weekend netanyahu posted comments on social media singling out his security chiefs in the military and the intelligence community for not warning him about the hamas attack back on october 7th. he quickly deleted that post and apologized, but the post triggered a very angry response and new serious questions about prime minister netanyahu's leadership. joining us now the deputy mayor of jerusalem. deputy mayor, thank you so much for joining us. we've got lots to discuss, but what did you make of prime

minister netanyahu's now deleted statement and his apology? >> well, it was obviously a mistake, should never have been written. he promptly apologized, i'm very happy to say. you know, just the evening before there had been a show of unity between himself and benny gantz, one of the opposition leaders who have now joined the government and made a unity government and the defense minister. so it actually made no sense after that show of unity on saturday night that sunday morning such an x tweet would have come out. so i'm glad that it was fldelet. this is no time for squabbling, this is time for unity and getting rid of a very cruel enemy. >> how much political pressure, deputy mayor, is the prime minister under right now as this war clearly is entering its next major phase? >> well, you know, i think that the biggest pressure we have at the moment and as it should be

is the pressure from the families of the now confirmed 238 hostages. and even though we have had some good news this evening with one hostage, one young woman soldier who has been rescued, that's a lot of hostages. that's a lot of families. israel is a very family-oriented society. everybody knows somebody whose child, whose mother, whose aunt is being held hostage. i think that the parents and the family members are mounting a very, very effective campaign and so it should be and this should be the first priority of the government. >> we just heard prime minister netanyahu said of the more than 200 hostages now being held in gaza by hamas, he said that 33 of them are children. still 33 children being held hostage in gaza right now. in the last hour the prime minister called this a turning point for leaders and nations around the world to fight for a

future of hope and promise. what did you make of his comments that we just heard? >> well, i agree with that. i think for the last two weeks what we've been trying to communicate to the world is that we really are in a civilization of war over here because we know that iran is training and subsidizing about 90% of the budget of hamas and of course the whole of hezbollah. iran now has essentially taken over by proxy lebanon and destroyed it. it's taken over syria, it's taken over parts of afghanistan, parts of iraq. we know about the ties with qatar. we know what's going on in turkey. and so iran is playing a very dangerous game of creating all these different proxies in the region and i believe, you know, in the last few years the abraham accords occurred because the modern advanced countries in the arab world understood what a threat iran posed not just to the region and to the world.

so the region divided into the countries that want peace and prosperity for their people and the done drees that wanted radicalism, fundamentalism and destruction. just like these were the choices in the region when the abraham accords took shape i believe the world has the same kind of choice. we've seen these mass demonstrations they are not saying free palestine alone, they're saying from the river to the sea, they're saying kill the jews, they're saying down with the american government, they're saying a lot of concerning things in different parts of the world. >> the idf reported new operations against armed palestinian groups also in the occupied west bank overnight. what is your concern, deputy mayor, about violence spilling over into the west bank and potentially, god forbid, even into your city of jerusalem? >> well, unfortunately, i mean, today there was a rocket that was launched and landed in

bethlehem, which is literally 2 kilometers from where i live and we actually saw the whole thing happening and run to the shelter. the jaw dane samaria, the west bank has been a hot potato for a while and they have a lot of internal conflicts because the pa, fattah and hamas are fighting amongst themselves. hamas is getting stronger around the west bank area and it's already -- they've killed hundreds of israelis in the last year coming from the west bank and so this has already been a front that we're fighting for over a year with terrible, terrible deaths and tragedies already for a while. so this is just holding up and i think that's the aim, the same is that the hamas militants and terrorists in the judain samaria will create another front, hezbollah will send rockets and create another front and that's part of the big strategy that i

believe iran is behind. >> the deputy mayor of jerusalem, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you so much. >> and, boris and brianna, back to you. wolff, back in the u.s. the strike that crippled the american auto industry cost the big three auto makers billions of dollars and showcased the enduring power of union workers, it is potentially over. a source close to the talks telling cnn's have a necessary can a yurkevich that the united auto workers union and general motors reached a tentative deal that would end the six-week standoff and would make gm the last of the big three to make a deal after ford and stran 'tis announced their agreements days ago. >> this is a tentative deal, but it's pretty clear the unions are on the verge of securing better pay and clawing back some of the benefits they lost during the 2008 financial crisis.

i want to bring in vanessa yurkevich that had a has the details. walk us through what's in this potential deal. what happens next? >> reporter: general motors was the last of the big three to come to an agreement with the union. this is not, though, coming before the union actually expanded their strike against general motors on saturday and then this deal coming together very quickly. we are still awaiting official comment from the general motors and the union on this, but a source telling me that this deal, this tentative agreement is on the table. we don't know what's in this particular deal with general motors, however, it's going to pattern or mimic the deal that we've seen announced between ford and stellantis. some of those key details are 25% wage increases over the life of the contract, about four and a half years. a return to cost of living adjustments, something that the union gave up in 2009 they now have that back, and then the right to strike over any plant

closures. something interesting that we're looking for with the general motors deal, though, is a couple weeks ago the union said that the company agreed to put all electric vehicle battery plants in this new contract which would be new jobs added to this deal, in addition to the jobs that are being protected under the these economic advancements. now, although 145,000 uaw members never went out of strike, it still had a very big economic impact. the total economic impact over about five weeks is $9.3 billion. and in the sixth week, that's last week, that total is expected to rise to over $10 billion. some of the losses were to wages, $488 million in wage losses. losses to the big three themselves, $4.18 billion. and then of course customers and dealerships feeling this as well. but as you mentioned, boris,

this really is up to the membership, the membership from all of the big three auto makers, 145,000 of them are going to have the final say. they will be voting in the next couple of weeks on whether or not they like this historic agreement that's been put on the table by all three auto makers. guys? >> very good point. those are some big losses. vanessa yurkevich, thank you for that report. president biden just issued a sweeping executive order, a new one, to regulate artificial intelligence and he is set to talk about that at any moment. we will have details on it ahead. plus, the landlord accused of stabbing a 6-year-old to death in an alleged anti-muslim attack was back in court today pleading not guilty. stay with us.

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a chicago area landlord charged with fatally stabbing a 6-year-old palestinian american boy and seriously wounding his mother earlier this month employed not guilty to all charges in an illinois court. sources say joseph czuba stabbed the boy two dozen times and targeted him and his mother because they were muslim. the department of justice is investigating this as a hate crime. we have cnn's whitney wild who is following in story. whitney, what can you tell us about this court appearance today and the status of this hate crime investigation? >> reporter: we're told the federal hate crime investigation is continuing. today in court another painful day for this family, one of many they've already had and surely one of many more to come as the case unfolds. joseph czuba pleaded not guilty

today in court, this was a brief hearing. the 6-year-old boy who was stabbed to death, stabbed more than a two dozen times his family was in court today. his father was there as well as other close friends and family members. it was so painful, brianna and boris, because they had to relive the facts. prosecutors ticked through how this day happened. that saturday the saturday of this attack began like any other day according to his mother who was also injured in this attack, she was stabbed around a dozen time. joseph czuba according to the mother, told police he had been growing increasingly agitated about what he saw going on in the middle east, the conflict in the middle east. the saturday that this happened he confronted her about that, she said let's pray for peace and she told police he attacked her shortly after that. just moments later. here in court again today his family was there, it was extremely painful, one woman sitting in the gallery covering her face appeared to be silently

weeping, other family members spoke with us briefly after the hearing. >> these days if you speak your mind, you lose your job, you lose your money, you lose your life, you lose your family. if you don't speak, you lose your life, your money, your job, your family. that's a double standard in this country right now. hopefully something will be done about it, especially our president. >>. >> reporter: the suspect joseph czuba is still being held without bail. >> whitney wild reporting from illinois, thank you. still to come, anti-semitic rioters storming the interest airport in the russian republic of dagestan, making it on to the tarmac after a flight lands from tel aviv. much more on these pictures when we come back.

the russian jewish community is demanding punishment for the people who took part in a anti-semitic riot in the airport in the russian republic of dagestan. in photos and videos verified by cnn a mob gathered at the airport following the arrival of a flight from tel aviv on sunday holding signs that said "we are against jewish refugees." then the crowd forced its way on to the runway. our senior international correspondent fred pleitgen has been following this very disturbing story. he is joining us from berlin right now. what else have you learned, fred, about this horrible incident? >> reporter: hi there, wolf. it certainly is something that is extremely troubling, certainly not just for the jewish people in russia, but

probably around the world. essentially what it appears had happened is that a protest that took place because a plane from tel aviv was going to land in the capital of the dagestan region of russia, that's in the north, a muslim majority region of russia. because that plane was going to land that's when the protesters showed up and they forced themselves on to the tarmac and on to the runway. all of this essentially descended into a hunt targeting jews. we saw some images coming out from that area of the protesters then surrounding several of the people who got off that plane, one of them appeared to be an uzbek man who said, i'm uzbek, i don't speak the uzbek language but they claimed that he was trying to fool them, demanded to see his passport and phone as well. there was a bus that was stopped carrying parents with several children who apparently were getting medical treatment and they pleaded with that massive crowd to allow them to carry on.

so certainly some extremely troubling scenes that played out inside the airport on the tarmac outside the airport where the protests were checking cars but also a hotel that was apparently searched by them as well, wolf. >> it's interesting, fred, because only moments ago the state department spokesman matthew miller spoke about this incident. i want you and our viewers to listen to what he said. >> i would say we condemn the violent anti-semitic events that have been reported in russia, threatening israelis and jews. i saw the video, as i'm sure all of you did, it looked like a program to me. we call on russian authorities to condemn these violent protests and to hold anyone involved accountable and to ensure the safety of israelis and jews in russia. >> i thought it was important that he compared this to a pro program, what used to happen

before the holocaust in europe when groups would gather a attack jews throughout europe. he used that word and i thought that was significant. what do you think? >> i think it's significant and i think it's also something that's being picked up inside israel as well to describe wrapped on the ground there in makhachkala. there was an interview earlier today with the president of israel isaac herzog he was speaking to a german publication where he also said that it looked like a pogrom. it was something that had a chilling effect on folks from israel but of course on jewish folks from around the world. one of the interesting things, wolf, that just before we went to air that we picked up is that the israelis have actually already reacted to all of this and the israeli foreign ministry and the israeli national security council have put the northern caucuses region the highest travel alert for israelis four out of four from

there. obviously after this incident, certainly one which is having a chilling effect and you're absolutely right the israelis and the united states calling on the russians to ensure the safety of jews and of course israelis specifically, wolf. >> very, very upsetting. i'm here in israel. very upsetting to the israelis to see this and they clearly felt it was like a pogrom that used to take place in europe. fred pleitgen in berlin, thank you very much. note to our viewers, much more coming up from me later tonight in the situation room, 6:00 p.m. eastern. i'm still in tel aviv including a very moving conversation with two families whose loved ones have been kidnapped by hamas. one was at the nova music festival when he was kidnapped, his family did not know if he survived until an unknown phone number sent them hamas video of him. i also spoke to the granddaughter of an 85-year-old, she was kidnapped from her home

in the nir oz kibbutz. watch this. >> she texted us that there are terrorists in the kibbutz, that they are shooting and there are street battles and they are entering to houses and burning people. >> she texted that? >> yeah. and then we couldn't reach her anymore. >> that was the last -- >> that was the last conversation. >> so sad. >> yeah. it's heartbreaking thinking that she was alone and there was no one to protect her and how scared and helpless she felt. >> so heartbreaking to hear this. >> yeah. >> that they would kidnap a beautiful 85-year-old grandma and take her to gaza. >> we will have more of those stories later today in the situation room, i will join you

6:00 p.m. eastern. we will take a break and we will be right back.

as maine's lewiston community begins to heal from last week's mass shootings, we are getting new details about the gunman's mental state. questions are raised whether local law enforcement could have done more after being alerted to serious red flags. >> officials found the shooter's body along the river friday with a single self-inflicted gunshot wound, but just the previous month the county sheriff's department made a welfare check on him at the request of a maine national guard. a military statement sent to

authorities and reviewed by cnn says the 40-year-old shooter spent 14 days in a psychiatric hospital in july after he had a run-in with some fellow guardsmen. after his release, he reportedly told another guardsman he was going to shoot up a military base and other places. the statement says that same friend feared this man was going to snap and commit a mass shooting. let's discuss with former fbi senior profiler mary ellen o'toole. thanks for being with us. it appears that sheriff's deputies tried to check on this shooter after several red flags were raised, but he apparently wouldn't answer the door when officers arrived. clearly, there was an attempt to intervene, but it fell short. >> it does sound like it did. and that, in and of itself, could have been a red flag that this person, the shooter didn't want to be contacted, he didn't

want to have anything to do with law enforcement because he knew what their authority was, he knew that they could do to prevent him from carrying out the shooting. so, it may have been quite purposeful for him to behave like that. >> with all due respect to your expertise here, this didn't require a profiler or a whole lot of expertise. he had a fellow soldier who seemed to have him pegged just weeks before the shooting. so, what is the takeaway there? >> well, the takeaway is critical because there wasn't just one red nflag, there were multiple. the one red flag we've seen over and over again for the last quarter century, 25 years, is the one called leakage. these are statements that the individual will make to other people, whether it's a psychiatrist, a psychologist, a fellow worker, a neighbor, or a family member about what they

intend to do. and leakage has got to be taken very seriously even if, at the end of the day, it's determined that this person doesn't have access to weapons or was just joking. that leakage is just absolutely critical. and then you compound that with someone who does have mental health issues, and you compound that with someone who has access to weapons. that leakage takes on far more significance. >> i think one of the difficult things, mary, is determining when someone is just expressing frustration or may just have a very dark sense of humor, perhaps. how do you know to discern when someone is actually leaking the intent to carry out a horrible massacre and when they may just be talking? >> there's no way to listen to those words and just have a magical resolution to it. so, in threat assessment, we're trained to actually do a deep dive into every case where we

see leakage, and that means going far beyond what the person has said. so, we've got the leakage, and then you start talking to other people. he had already spent time in a mental health facility out of concerns for what his behavior might be. that was already present. then you have access to firearms, some of which he obtained very recently. so, as the pieces come together, this individual becomes more and more concerning, and that's what happens when you check out leakage and other red-flag behaviors. you start to see whether the picture falls apart or whether or not it really takes on a life of its own. >> we need to heed these warnings for the future, certainly. mary ellen o'toole, thank you for being with us. we should also mention we're expecting that the maine governor is going to be speaking in a few minutes, to stay with us for that. we'll bebe right bacack.