jabalia camp in northern gaza. the idf says terrorists were eliminated by this second strike, it's believed that yesterday's attack on the camp killed or wounded at least 100 civilians, but they maintain that a senior hamas commander was the target and was eliminated in that attack. >> today there's also, quote, an important breakthrough, that's what a state department official said, the first civilians are able to escape gaza since the war started more than three weeks ago. cnn has received confirmation two american doctors ramonia okumura and barbara zind were among the several hundred allowed to enter egypt today through the rafa crossing. >> an initial group of foreign nationals including u.s. citizens departed gaza through rafa today and we expect exits of u.s. citizens and foreign nationals to continue over the next several days. in the past 24 hours we have informed u.s. citizens and

family members with whom we are with contact that they will be assigned specific departure dates. we have asked them to continue to monitor their email regularly over the next 24 to 72 hours for specific instructions about how to exit. >> it is 3:00 here in washington, d.c., we're going to begin this hour with cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson, he is in sderot, israel. give us the latest on what the idf says happened today at the refugee camp. >> reporter: they said they had precise intelligence which allowed them to target a hamas terror cell that was hiding out in the jabalia refugee camp in the fallujah neighborhood and it was using that precise intelligence that they targeted them, eliminating them. they point out that hamas has -- has made a habit, if you will, intentionally hides behind civilians, hides in tunnels that are underneath and amongst the civilian housing and the idf

also point out that they have been warning the citizens of northern gaza to move south, although many of those citizens say they don't know how, they don't know where it's safe to go. we know that the commander of the forces in northern gaza at the moment, the commander of idf forces said that they are in the -- at the gates of gaza and the defense minister describes some very intense urban conflict, but the second strike on the jabalia camp in two days precisely targeted with precise intelligence is what the idf is saying. >> all right. nic robertson for us in israel. thanks so much. let's go now to cairo, egypt, with cnn's melissa bell because she's been tracking those that were able to get out of gaza through the rafa crossing. melissa, tell us about them. >> reporter: boris, that news that a couple of americans are amongst those just out at the

rafa crossing and now safely in egypt, extraordinary news. it is on top of the 361 foreign nationals that we understood had made it through the rafa crossing and to this side of the border and they include british, french, italian, saudi, jordanian nationals, specific nt dual nationality citizens that have been trapped in gaza ever since this war began. so that first group has now come out and that is amazing news. as you mentioned a moment ago, there will be many more that come. we understand all of them will come out and they will be told over the course of the coming days how that is to function.

these have been incredibly complex negotiations between hamas, israel, the united states, qatar. what they do show us is that those talks, for all the difficulties involved, are functioning. and that is of course amazing news for the foreign nationals and their families that have been watching anxiously to see what was going to happen with regard to their ability to leave the gaza strip and, again, it has taken so long for this to happen, such difficult conditions, but that is a tremendous sigh of relief that they will be heaving tonight. but then there is also as part of this deal the first palestinians who have come through the rafa crossing, 81 of them came out today and have been taken to local hospitals or to the field hospital that's been set up nearby. what we are talking about here, jessica and boris, are the very most severely wounded. these are people who need immediate surgical intervention and what we understand is that there will be more to come, but, again, very difficult negotiations, very opaque negotiations. we really had no advanced warning of this until the rafa

crossing was finally opened today to those able to come out. it's also by the way the only gate through which aid can get in and we've been hearing that 20 more aid trucks have managed to make their way into the palestinians that so desperately need that aid still. jessica? >> melissa bell from egypt, thank you so much. and we are joined now by idf international spokesperson lieutenant colonel jonathan conricus. great to have you here with us. thanks for making time. i want to start with that second idf air strike on jabalia today, idf says hamas terrorists were eliminated in that strike. can you tell us more specifically about who or what that strike was targeting? >> hi. thank you for having me again. listen, jabalia is a hamas stronghold. think of it not as a regular village or a part of gaza, think of it as an area which is

totally -- which hamas has total control over, both aboveground and underground. think of it as a military compound that is full of hamas operatives and now add to that that we have our troops on the ground fighting those terrorists, aboveground and belowground, and then you can understand that it is a dynamic situation where we constantly are seeking the enemy and whenever we understand where the enemy is and how we can get to them, we attack them either from the ground or using aerial strikes. it's an ongoing battle in jabalia and in other locations. we are very committed to finding all of the hamas operatives that are hiding underground, beneath the civilians. we will get to them and we will dismantle their infrastructure in jabalia and elsewhere. >> and can you tell us any more specifically about what this -- who or what -- or who the second strike was targeting and then also this previous strike

yesterday that the idf has said killed a senior hamas commander ibrahim biari. will be able to share more evidence about his killing? >> beyond the fact that he is dead and the deeds that he did when he was still alive, that he was a known terrorist, that he was vital in planning and executing the october 7 attack, that he had israeli blood on his hands going back from 2004, no. he is dead, we know that, at the very high level of certainty. knew he that hamas are claiming differently but hamas is a terrorist organization that lie, anytime they open their mouth. so i wouldn't lend them any credibility at all. together with biari, this commander and dozens of operatives also died in a vast tunnel complex that was underneath the ground there and we will -- you know, you're referring to a second strike.

i think a more correct depiction of it would be that there's ongoing fighting. it's not, you know, quiet and then all of a sudden there is a strike. no, there is ongoing fighting because we are fighting an enemy that is embedded in each and every house, there's tunnels everywhere and it's an active combat zone. this is a hamas stronghold, it's not a refugee camp, this is a hamas stronghold where we are in there, we are fighting and we are doing that because we understand that in order to eradicate hamas and make sure that this never happens again, that october 7 never happens again, we understand that we have to go where hamas is and take them out. >> and do you plan at any point to share any more intel about -- you're explaining what you all believe is this hamas stronghold there at this refugee camp. do you intend to release any intel moving forward on that? >> we released intel yesterday, which had both an aerial map of

the -- of other compounds, military compounds belonging to hamas in jabalia, both exit shafts of tunnels, training areas and places, different houses that look civilian, but aren't civilian, that are, in fact, hamas combat positions where they are firing anti-tank missiles and deploying troops. that was released already yesterday. perhaps a bit overshadowed by the event of the targeting of that hamas combatant commander. we have done it in the past and i'm sure that we will do it again, but the really important thing to understand here is that we're talking about a hamas compound. this is an area that they have fortified. it is full of hamas operatives above and below ground. that's why we're there and that's why we're fighting. >> and the idf spokesman, your colleague daniel hagari announced ground forces have broken through hamas's front lines in northern gaza. i want to ask you what this means for the 200 hostages still

being held by hamas. this is how we got here, hamas did attack israel and take these hostages. what do you know about these 200 hostages and what does this newest information mean? >> yes, unfortunately sadly it's 240 hostages that are being held by hamas, israeli nationals and other nationalities, many of t them americans and by western countries. they are being held by hamas probably underground in gaza. we are hard at work collecting every piece of intelligence including new intelligence that is generated on the ground by the ground activity of our troops and just as we were able to rescue one hostage, private o ori megidish, she was rescued a few days ago, we are hard at work and very committed to getting all of our people back. hamas bears responsibility for

this atrocity, just like all of the other atrocities that they did on october 7th. we hold them accountable. the best thing for them, if they want to save themselves, would be to hand over the hostages unconditionally, that would save a lot of lives. if that won't happen we will do it. >> lieutenant colonel jonathan conricus, thanks so much. >> thank you for having me. let's dig deeper on some of these angels with our panel. we have kimberly dozier and retired brigadier general peter zwack with us. i want to start with you, kim, because something that lieutenant colonel conricus said to me and it's the characterization of the jabalia refugee camp. it's described as a refugee camp, we've learned that somewhere around hundreds of civilians were either wounded or killed there in this first attack yesterday, perhaps many more in the second strike, but

the lieutenant colonel, the idf spokesperson, he describes it as a hamas stronghold, as a legitimate military target. how do you see that? >> well, as u.s. intelligence will tell you, hamas is riddled throughout the gaza strip in civilian areas and they put their facilities, their headquarters, their weaponry underneath and next to civilian homes. in terms of the refugee camp description, a little bit about palestinian geography in those territories, the refugee camps were established decades ago so now if you see the pictures of the before and the after, it's a breeze block built neighborhood of standing houses. in terms of this particular strike, i've been trying to find out from israeli sources was

this battle damage that you expected when this strike was approved and what they're trying to figure out is the tunnel network they were hitting, was it bigger than they expected? was it not very well supported such that once it got taken out the buildings above collapsed? was that more than they were anticipating in terms of civilian casualties? i haven't been able to get an answer, but, you know, the palestinian people, one of the most highly educated on the planet and one of the most savvy in terms of media, and you have the aid workers there, these images of everything that happens are being seen throughout the arab world, making people angry and that's what hamas surely planned all along. >> and, general, kind of piggybacking off of kim's comment just there, we know from reporting from our white house colleagues, our colleagues that cover the white house that there is intensifying concern within the biden administration that israel may begin to lose some

support if these images of these civilians dying like what we've seen out of jabalia continue and are disseminated on social media and across the world. what do you make of that and as kim was just explaining, with hamas so intertwined with civilians there in gaza, what else can be done to minimize the death and destruction to civilians? s>> i think you've just hit, yo know, the fundamental question. hamas was already proven by their horrific actions on the 7th -- 7th of october will go to any measure to use the population around them for cover, for concealment, put their communications in their tunnels, and then -- and then

with that hamstring any idf major action against it by going to the media and saying, look at this, and so it's hard. i think the israelis are, you know, urban terrain is the hardest, most complex, most brutal, it's fought over the backs of civilians and they're dealing with that right now. clearly a lot of reconnaissance going on. we don't see the ground fight and if the, you know, israeli special operations have been able to target some of these things -- no, hamas has proven, as other urban fighters, that you work with the population, you use them as a shield. i imagine a key aspect is how can the israelis separate the population who is being cynically used by hamas. this is hard, it's going to

continue, it's going to be brutal and as many have said, israel does have an obligation and they speak to that to minimize where possible civilian casualties. hamas couldn't care in the least. >> kim, i wanted to ask about the deal that was struck to open the rafa crossing to allow certain palestinians and foreign nationals out of the enclave. obviously that was a deal that was brokered by qatar, which has relationships with the united states, with hamas. does that deal give you some hope that we're moving toward a closer resolution for the hostages that are being held by hamas? >> i don't think that someone has much to do with the other. there was a lot of pressure on opening that border to get supplies in and the israeli

defense forces have reported today to the media that supplies are currently being stolen by hamas. so perhaps that's one of the reasons that they cooperated. from the israeli point of view they wanted to make sure that some sort of technology, improved way to check the trucks coming in was installed. i don't know if it was installed but i know that a major concern and something that was taking a long time checking all of those trucks was that they needed to be manually checked because the devices at that border crossing are very, very outdated and the israelis are worried about weapons getting smuggled in. >> kim dozier and general peter zwack, thank you both of your analysis there. we do have some breaking news we want to get to. the eldest son of donald trump, donald trump jr., is now testifying. he has taken the stand in the civil fraud trial against him, his family and their company. >> let's take you now to cnn

national correspondent brynn gingras, she's joining us live from outside the courthouse in new york. brynn, what do you know right now? >> reporter: yeah, jessica and boris, he has been called to the stand before he actually went into the witness box he sat at the defendant's table, some pictures were taken, he made a joke that he should have worn makeup and then he was called to the witness stand as a defendant in this civil fraud trial. so far we're getting some updates from inside the courtroom from our colleagues, but one of the questions that was asked was basically what's his knowledge of generally accepted accounting principles and don jr. essentially said i leave that up to my accountants. now, this is sort of echoing what he gave in that deposition to the attorney general under oath last year, how he sort of distances himself from how all of those financial statements of condition are prepared, which is at the heart of this case. so we're continuing to follow the updates in the courtroom, but he is on the stand questioning has begun from the

state's attorney general and then we will see if they finish up today and if we see cross-examination after that point, guys. >> and, brynn, on the question of another potential trump testifying, we just learned that ivanka trump, she is now appealing a ruling that ordered her to testify in this case. >> reporter: yeah, remember, they have been fighting to not -- trump's team, the defense team has been fighting to not let her take the stand and actually testifying in this case after an appeals judge said that she is no longer a defendant in this case. last week the judge ordered that she will have to testify, that she will actually have to physically be here to testify. she was set to do that after her father took the stand at the beginning of next week and it was slated for wednesday, but now that she has filed an appeal. now, remember, the judge allowed for some time for this appeal to actually happen. it was somewhat expected. now we will have to see if that sort of messes with the schedule if she actually does take the

stand in the appeal she's essentially -- her lawyers are essentially saying she is not a defendant in this case, she wasn't living in new york at the time that this paperwork and all of these assessments were made center to this case. so it should not be fair. it's not fair in their terms that she would have to testify to this. so we will see what an appellate court has to say about that and if it then means that she will or will not take the stand. we will have to wait. >> we will wait and see. brynn gingras for us in new york. thanks so much. still ahead this afternoon the house is back in session and among the first items on its agenda, voting on a trio of resolutions that would admonish or rememove someme members.. details s on that nenext.

it's a censure showdown on capitol hill today, house lawmakers will vote on two resolutions aimed at republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene and democratic representative rashida tlaib who introduced the resolution -- or greene, rather, who introduced the resolution against talib is

calling for the democrat to be censured for her remarks against israel and attending a pro-palestinian protest at the capitol last week, but greene's past remarks are also under scrutiny. she is facing a resolution for previous comments she made that were largely viewed as anti-semitic. for more on all of this let's go to cnn chief congress correspondent manu raju live on capitol hill. all of this is happening in addition to a resolution to expel congressman george santos. so you are looking at these three votes later on tonight, what's the state of play there on the hill? >> reporter: that's right. we expect this to happen all before the very significant issue about a funding for israel and what to do about funding for ukraine. that is essentially the next thing that the new speaker will have to worry about after getting through a series of votes, complicated votes tonight. on that first vote dealing with the censuring marjorie taylor greene, also censuring a democratic resolution to censure

marjorie taylor greene and the same thing fora she had da talib. there is some expectation that those could fail given opposition from both parties. there is the effort to expel george santos from the house, something that has only happened five times in american history. the question is can they get the two-thirds majority in the house to do just that. that is a high bar given that number of republicans want to let the investigations play out, particularly among the house ethics committee before making a decision. one congressman who i spoke to, congressman max miller of ohio told me that he is in favor of expelling george santos from the house and is undecided on where he will come down on the two censure resolutions. >> i called for george santos's ex expulsion. it is a very personal issue that i have with him and what i can tell you is he broke the law and

i would be voting yes. >> if we want to call balls and strikes, members of both parties have said anti-semitic remarks. they have. marjorie taylor greene has said anti-semitic remarks. rashida tlaib have said anti-semitic remarks. i'm going to call it out on both sides of the aisle. i'm sick of it. >> reporter: on the santos measure why it's unclear if it would pass they would need the support of 77 republicans on the floor and a number of them simply say that they want to see what happens with the house ethics committee which made an unusual announcement just yesterday saying that it would reveal its findings and its recommendation on what to do with george santos before november 17th. several members want to wait until that happens before making a decision here, but nevertheless that vote still happening as members who serve with george santos and the new york delegation, republicans who come from swing districts are pushing for his ouster amid all of those charges, indictments that he is facing. he has pleaded not guilty.

that vote still happening tonight as santos braces for his fate in just a matter of hours. >> manu raju for us. thanks so much. one of the five gop lawmakers asking their conference to join them in supporting george santos' expulsion will join us next. plus, a midair scare, a pilot was indicted for allegedly threatening to shoot the captain on a delta plane mid flight. what led to that and why that pilot was even authorized to have a gun on the plane in the first place.

this just into cnn, the judge in former president donald trump's mar-a-lago classified documents case just signaled she may delay the trial date. cnn's katelyn polantz joins us now. this trial originally set for may of 2024, but she apparently said in the courtroom that she does not believe this work can be accomplished realistically in this period of time. >> reporter: boris, that is the quote from judge aileen cannon here at the federal courthouse in florida at a hearing this afternoon. at this hearing donald trump's lawyers were telling her that they have so much work to do this is so much evidence to go through and they are handling so many things for their client, donald trump, who has trial after trial scheduled for the spring, including this trial still on the books to begin at

the end of may next year here in florida that they can't possibly meet the deadlines that she set in this case and she needs to move them back. judge cannon at this hearing did not say she was moving the dates right now. she said she was going to consider it as she would let them know in pretty short order, but within two minutes of the justice department prosecutor standing up at this hearing and arguing to keep the dates the same for this trial, donald trump should go to trial in may, it's totally possible to do that, especially because you don't know what's going to happen with these other cases he's facing, the judge responded to that prosecutor saying, i'm having a hard time seeing how this work, meaning the work in this case, can be accomplished realistically in time. and then she told the justice department, i'm not seeing your position a level of understanding to these realities that the defense team is working through in this case as they get ready not just for this trial on national security issues, donald

trump is being accused of handling of classified records after his presidency, possible obstruction of justice, how they could possibly get through that and also the same legal team taking him to trial in march in federal court in washington, d.c. there is a lot of talk about that federal court case in washington, d.c. that does not appear to be moving. that's around january 6 and the 2020 election. so now we wait to see exactly what the judge does here and if the trial here in florida takes place before the election of next year. >> katelyn polantz from fort pierce, florida. for the second time in iks is months republican congressman george santos will face the possibility of being ousted from congress. he just pleaded not guilty to multiple criminal charges including wire fraud and identity theft. just hours from now the house will take up a vote to expel him from congress. a group of vulnerable new york republicans are urging their colleagues to make it happen saying, quote, this issue is not

a political one, but a moral one. joining me now to discuss this is one of those republicans from new york state, congressman anthony d'esposito. thanks so much for making time, we're glad to have you on. i'm curious why do this now? there was a censure motion that failed, why you are party wanted and its leadership wanted to refer this to the ethics committee. it is now going through the ethics committee and they have said that they will have an update on or before the 17th. why do this now? >> so, yes, we only found out that the ethics committee was going to rule on november 17th just a couple days ago. the reason why we pushed this motion right before we lost our speaker was because there was another indictment that came down with dozens of charges and i think one of the things that's very important is the fact that his campaign treasurer pled guilty. one of the charges was conspiracy. as we all know, it takes more than one person to commit conspiracy. and this isn't about, you know,

people keep saying that there is a precedent here. the precedent, we should find a new one. people of america, the american people, want us to hold accountable and us to be held to ehire yer standard. the fact that we have someone like george santos who completely lied and fabricated his way to the house of representatives, he doesn't belong here. he has admitted to those lies. >> and i want to ask you, too, about reports that you've been fundraising off this push, that you and some other republicans that are in swing districts are pushing this, some critics have said for that reason, because you are in a swing district. what do you say to those people and people who say this is an inappropriate avenue to raise money? >> so i won a district that was in democrat hands for over 25 years, whether i was in an r plus 40 district or i represented a d plus 40 district i would be carrying this resolution to the house floor. i think that george santos has embarrassed this institution, he is a stain on new york and

nassau county and the fact is that he keeps saying that we're going to leave this to the people of the third congressional district. they voted for someone who is not george santos. he lied about everything, his education, his faith, the fact that his mother was a victim of 9/11, the fact that his grandparents were victims of the holocaust. everything that he ran on was a complete lie and he doesn't deserve to be in this house. >> and where do you stand at this moment -- this is going to happen in several hours. where are the votes? this is a really high bar to expel somebody from congress. it's hard to do and it is a high bar. where do you think you are with the votes? >> i think we'll see. you know, obviously the fact that the ethics committee came out just a couple days ago and said that they will release their findings on the 17th, i think that lends to a lot of people to say let's wait it out, but i do think that there's going to be a group of individuals who see right through this and understand that george santos since day one was been a complete fraud, he is not representing the people of the third congressional district and

the members of this house, of this institution, that represent people that sent them here, they shouldn't stand for t the fact that, again, that he lied and completely fabricated his way to the floor of the house of representatives is a completely sham and tonight we have the opportunity to rid him of this institution and i really hope that there are some members of my conference and others who have said they've come here, they've come here to, quote, drain the swamp. well, tonight is an opportunity to set a new precedent to show the american people that we are held to a different standard, a higher standard and let's rid george santos of the house. >> have you spoken to him at all through all of this? >> i have not. he deleted me from his favorites list. >> all right. before i let you go, i do want to ask you about this ongoing funding battle in the house over israel funding, ukraine funding, that's what you all are going to turn to after these votes on your various members this evening. do you believe that speaker mike

johnson is treating this aid to israel as a political pawn? just to remind our viewers, the biden administration and senate republicans have pushed to link ukraine and israel funding together. the house speaker has chosen to go forward with israel funding but linking it to taking away money from the irs to pay for it. what do you make of all of that? >> i don't think it's a political move. i think the fact is that we need to provide aid to our greatest ally, israel in the most expedient fashion and if this is the way to do it i trust this is the way we will get it across the floor and over to the senate. that's what the senate should be focused on. they claim that, you know, we need to assist israel, that she is our greatest ally. let's get this across the floor of the house and over to the senate and let's get the funding over to israel so they can continue to defend themselves and crush hamas. >> does it frustrate you at all that the speaker decided to add that other layer on to it with the irs funding versus just a

clean bill? >> it doesn't frustrate me. i'm willing to vote in favor of this in order to, again, get this funding over to israel as quick as possible. >> congressman, thanks so much for making time. we appreciate it very much. >> thank you. and up next, holding steady, the federal reserve is choosing not to raise interest rates. what that decision signals about the state of the u.s. economy.

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central," one of the former memphis officers accused in the deadly beating of tyre nichols signals he plans to change his plea. mills also faces state charges for nichols' death including second-degree murder. five officers were seen on surveillance video and body cams pummeling and kicking nichols to death in january. the federal reserve today announced that it will not raise interest rates holding them steady for the second time in a row touting the strong pace of economic activity last quarter. of course, that's despite inflation staying above the central bank's target of 2%. vn's vanessa yurkevich is here to explain. chairman powell just wrapped up a press conference. what did he say about the state of the economy? >> reporter: he said that the fed's fight against inflation has come in lumps and that progress has been bumpy, but

language is really important to the federal reserve and they have sort of upgraded their language about the economy, saying that economic activity is expanding at a strong pace, that's a change in language from solid pace, also saying that job gains have moderated instead of slowed. but he says despite that the job is not done, but it's also not enough to have raised rates this time around. listen to what he said just moments ago. >> inflation has moderated since the middle of last year and readings over the summer were quite favorable, but a few months of good data are only the beginning of what it will take to build confidence that inflation is moving down sustainably toward our goal. >> reporter: he also spoke about some risk factors, one of those that the fed has identified is the war between israel and hamas, but he says that that's not on track to have a significant economic impact at

the moment, however, he did address the past 11 rate hikes that the fed has made since march of 2022 impacting borrowing costs for americans, specifically mortgage rates that are nearly topping 8%. borrowing costs for americans who are taking out new credit cards, new student loans, new car loans, he talked about that pain and that pain actually shows up a little bit, boris, in consumer confidence which has fallen for the past through months. consumers, americans not feeling so rosy about the economy, despite some of those really better than expected numbers that we saw in the third quarter, boris. >> notably markets appear to be responding well to this news the dow up nearly 240 points, the nasdaq up 210. what are we anticipating might come from the fed's december meeting? >> reporter: he was asked about this and he said that everything

is on the table in terms of a pause or a hike, however, he said what is not being discussed is any rate cuts. that's not on the table at the moment. remember the fed is still trying to target that 2% inflation rate. he says we are still well above that, but come december still very much tbd. the door is open on either a pause or another hike by the end of the year. >> a lumpy and bumpy road to get to 2% as vanessa said. thank you so much. still plenty more news to come including a harrowing incident inside the cockpit. why a pilot allegedly threatened to shoot the captain on a delta plane in the air, mid flight. we will be right back.

a commercial airline pilot is facing federal charges for allegedly pulling a gun on the captain sitting right next to him in the middle of a flight. prosecutors say he thenned to shoot the captain if the captain diverted their flight over a possible medical issue involving a passenger. pete muntean is here with more on what i think we could only describe as a bizarre incident. this is really weird. >> really bizarre. and we're learning more about this all of the time and getting knew details even though this happened back in august of 2022. what is really interesting here is that we're learning about this from a department of transportation office of inspector general report and the man at the center, a first officer by the name of jonathan dunn and a utah grand jury handed down these charges just now, essentially saying that dunn tried to interfere with the flight crew and authorized to

carr carry a gun on board and threatened the captain sitting next to him by showing him the gun. he said they could be shot multiple times if the captain diverted flight. there was clearly a disagreement in the federal court charges that essentially lay out that there was this disagreement about a medical emergency in the back of the airplane and dunn wanted to get someplace and this is what took place. so what is also really interesting about this, is that we're learning about this not from the faa, not from the tsa, which administers this carry a gun on board program and also not from the fbi. this is coming out from a third party. delta airlines has released a statement saying out of the respect for the aviation authority investigating, delta will refrain from commenting on the matter but will confirm that this first officer is no longer employed at delta. and tsa said that this pilot is no longer involved in this carry a gun on board program,

something that came about after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. >> in the break it was unruly passengers and now we have a trend of -- >> unruly pilots. and we saw last week, joseph emerson on board an alaska airlines flight sitting in the jump seat in the cockpit tried to shut off the planes engines and charged with trying to aemt it murder on 83 people on board. so really sort of something that happened over and over again and athere is a bit of a team. >> thank you so much. thanks for watching today. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right after a short break.