death of his close friend, major chas -- ukrainian news outlet posted these photos, which appeared to show what looked to be several grenades and the debris left behind by the explosion. ukraine's interior minister says he received a birthday gift from a colleague, a known person. police say his 13-year-old son was helping him open the gift, was seriously injured. it's a tragic story, but it's settling for ukraine to see a top aide to it's top commander killed like this. police say they have launched a criminal investigation. but obviously we don't yet know the details to know whether the word assassination or what would be appropriate. but they have launched a criminal investigation. thank you so much for joining us. it's time now for "ac 360" with it's time now for "ac 360" with anderson cooper. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

good evening. today in his new york civil fraud trial, the former president swung a wrecking ball at a pillar of his defense, namely that he left the question of his business empire worth to his accountants. or in the words of his codefendant son, eric, i pour concrete. i don't focus on appraisals. between attacks of the judge and letitia james, his words suggest the opposite, that he was involved. these are appraisals that the judge has already ruled were fraudulent. i would look at them, the former president said on the stand, i would see them, and i would maybe on occasion have some suggestions, which is what the state of new york is claiming, that the appraisals were inflated on his behalf and at his behest. he went beyond those already court determined appraisals saying, quote, the net worth of me was far greater than the financial statements. the former president also admitted involvement in lowering evaluations in the case of his

trump tower at the time forbes magazine outed him for claiming it was nearly three times larger than it is. the question is, this change in valuation came at his direction? probably, he said, i thought it was too high. he also seemed to have trouble with timelines, at one point testifying that a loan for chicago property was long since gone, only to be reminded it was paid off last month. or suggesting he was president through 2021, even though he left office in january of that year. his demeanor prompting this from judge engoron. i beseech you to control him, if you can. if you can't, i will. i will excuse him and draw every negative infor inerence that i . do you understand that? it was that kind of day. kara scannell joins us from outside the courthouse in lower manhattan. tell us more about what you saw. >> reporter: right, anderson. so, he was on the stand for nearly four hours of

questioning. he did autonomic nervous system s -he did answer some of these questions substantively, he did make suggestions for values, and correcting the value for trump tower, calling it a mistake. i should also mention that in addition to placing blame on the accountants, they're saying it was their responsibility, he also acknowledged these statements went to the bank and he certified these statements were accurate. but he tried to down play that too, saying the banks did their own digging into the numbers and it didn't matter. they didn't really rely on them. this will all be up for the judge to ultimately decide. many of trump's answers today were long-winded. he was going off on tangents. and the judge from the start trying to set the tone telling trump right out of the gate that he wanted answers, not speeches. he said to trump's attorney, if you can't rein him in, i will, and threatened to remove him from the stand. the one point when trump got the most heated, losing patience, he

raised his voice, was when the attorney general's office asked him about the main claim in this case that the statements were fraudulent and misleading. that is when we saw trump the most expressive. he got upset at that point saying, he called me a fraud and he didn't know anything about me. and calling the new york attorney general a political hack. anderson? >> the former president's lawyers also brought up a motion for mistrial. what was the judge es areaction? >> reporter: right. trump's attorney said they're going to file a motion for a mistrial. this all relates to the communication that the judge has had with this clerk. they say they believe it shows a sign of bias. so, they said they wanted to raise this motion. they wanted the judge to give them some direction in how to do it without tripping the gag order. and the judge was telling them, i don't think you should make this motion. so, they pushed back, both chris kise and alina habba. they could make it in writing so

as not to violate the gag order in a sense. he said he will make a decision on that quickly. that motion won't come until the new york attorney general's office rests their case. that is expected to happen on thursday, after ivanka trump, their final witness, finishes testimony. anderson? >> kara scannell, thanks so much. with me now, former federal prosecutor, jessica roth, and cnn's kaitlan collins, host of "the source," who was outside the courthouse all day. what was your take away from today? >> well frrk, from what i listeo as an observer on the media was this was, as i think we would expect -- you expect, in one sense, to go into a courtroom and hear witnesses tell the truth. i think that's how we all got into this system and what we believe is the process. but i think we're dealing with someone who -- for whom that is a foreign concept and does not play by those rules. so, i think today the former president was faocused on his election.

it was about his political audience. it also had legal ramifications, however. and that is his end game is to become president again. and only in that position will he be capable of controlling the decisions that will affect his future and his liberty. i think there is a legal aspect to what he did today. but i thought the way he testified and his answers had little to do really with trying to convince the judge of anything. first given the judge's prior rulings of the finding of fraud, and secondly because i think it was clear that the judge had little patience for his explanations. >> kaitlan, there certainly was a lot of messaging, campaign messaging, going on. >> i mean, he walked into that courtroom, i think, with no plans to ingratiate himself with this judge, even though it is the judge who is the decision maker here and who is going to be deciding what he pays in penalties after he found him liable for fraud. i was reading over the court transcript. it's the remarkable moment in the first 40 minutes where the

judge is so frustrated with trump that he's instructing his attorney to go have a conversation with his client. and chris kise, the attorney, is saying, can we take a ten-minute break. and the judge says, are you going to explain the rules to him during that ten-minute break? he was very testy back and forth with trump's attorneys, so frustrated with trump doing what trump does, answering questions in lengthy ways without a yes or no. it didn't help him, i don't think, anyone would agree, in maybe trying to ingratiate himself with the judge here. >> jessica, just in terms of from a legal perspective, did the judge hurt himself in any way or bring up possible reasons for some sort of an appeal? >> trump and his attorneys, i think, were trying to provoke the judge into reacting in a way that would create a record that would help trump in making an appellate argument that trump was biased against him. if there was any legal strategy of the trump side going into

today's preceding, it was that was it to generate some reaction from the judge. i don't think the judge took the bait. at the beginning of the morning where it looked like the judge was castigating trump and saying i'm going to draw an adverse inference from your testimony because you're being so uncooperative, i was getting concerned that the judge was playing into their strategy a little bit. but the judge reined it back after the break. i don't think there's any basis for the motion for a mistrial that the judge is biased. >> jessica, trump admitting that he altered or at least was involved in preparing the financial statements, is that very damning for him? >> i think that was damaging to trump. he could have simply said, i really had nothing to do with the documents. it may not have been all that credible, but that was a strategy his sons pursued. trump, at times, said he wasn't really involved. but there were times he said he

said valuations should be lowered. so, you could also be giving instructions that the values should be increased. i think that was an important concession that he may not have realized he was making. he also acknowledged being aware that some of the loan documents that required his personal guarantee were likely -- that that was significant, which of course goes to the question of materiality, which the judge has to find here. so, i do think on the substance, which was hard to find in what happened today. but there was a little bit of substance, and that was bad for trump. >> for somebody who's been sued as much as he has and been involved in as many lawsuits, he seems to be a pretty bad witness. i mean, do you agree with that? >> yes, i do. and i don't have an explanation as to why that's the strategy you would pursue in a lifetime of business except to infuriate your opponents and your judge that sits and hears in front of you, sits and listens to your case. undisciplined, not easy to

educate, doesn't listen to, no doubt, i think, to his lawyers' advice. so, as someone who's been a defense lawyer for 20 years and a prosecutor for the other 20, i think he is probably one of the difficult -- most difficult clients any of these lawyers have ever had. and a challenge. >> i mean, you've seen the judge's summary judgment. do you think a criminal prosecution on this would be warranted? >> well, we certainly looked at that when i was the district attorney after we indicted the trump organization on tax fraud. i think the current d.a. and his office will, no doubt, pay very close attention to the testimony in this trial. and i believe, at the end of this trial, they will review that investigation into -- which we were working on, which is essentially a mirror image of what the attorney general is doing.

although from a criminal standpoint -- and look to see whether the evidence in this trial has given them what they believe is the extra evidence that they want in order to proceed. >> and what would that -- what would a criminal charge be? >> well, the criminal charge would -- the criminal charge would be, among other things, to make false statements in connection with big business records. not the most serious crime in the world. if done in furtherance of another crime, it can be elevated to a felony. there are simply fraudulent statements under state law, i think, are the principle crimes. under federal law, i think there's a much broader range of crimes that could have been charged. and it was under investigation by the federal authorities. >> and one thing that's interesting about the causes of action that remain in this case is that if the judge finds for the attorney general on those, the judge is essentially making a finding that trump and the other defendants violated criminal statutes that are

essentially incorporated by reference into this very interesting new york civil statute. so, you'd have a finding by a preponderance of the evidence by a judge that there were violations of criminal statutes. and that's a very powerful message, if in fact that is the judge's finding. whether the d.a. pursues it as a criminal case would be a different matter. >> kaitlan, we are in this bus bizarro world where the former president antagonizing the judge helps him politically. it plays among the people who follow him well. >> right. i don't know if it boosts him. that support is pretty solid. he doesn't really go down. he doesn't really go up. you can see that in the polling that he cited multiple times. it's funny to hear you say he's one of the worst clients these attorneys have ever had because chris kise came out and declared into the microphones that trump was one of the best witnesses he's ever represented in the 30 years he's been in office -- been as a lawyer. that's not what i've heard

behind the scenes. i think there's a real issue that this legal team is having to deal with, and it's their client sitting right next to them in court telling them how they should be lawyering inside the courtroom. i don't think it's typically how a chris kise would act. i don't think typically he and the other attorneys would say it's brilliant the way trump was acting on the witness stand or saying he's the future president of the united states, immaterial to the facts of the case at hand here. but i think it's what the presence of trump being in that courtroom does to them. >> thanks so much. kaitlan will be back at 9:00 at the top of the hour. coming up next, what "art of the deal" author tony shore makes of the testimony. also the latest on the fighting in gaza and the father whose 8-year-old daughter, who he thought had been killed by hamas, may now actually be alive but held h hostage.

cnn's kara scannell pointed out the former president pointed at the judge and said, he called me a fraud and he doesn't know anything about me. tony, good to have you. the former president was combative with the judge, certainly reprimanded for giving rambling responses on the witness stand. what did you make of his testimony? >> you know, it's a blend of performance for the base and an absolute lack of impulse

control. it's about half rational and half totally nuts. i truly think he has the capacity of a 7-year-old when it comes to mastering his own emotions. but he's also clearly playing a role. it's a role he played, you know, from the start when he started running for president back for the last 40 years. and what he did really was to attack the judicial system, which is a precursor to what we know we can expect, should he be re-elected again. >> you know, his admission on, you know, certainly look at financial statements and the idea that he couldn't look at financial statements about his own valuations -- i mean, it's impossible to imagine, given his ego, given what we know about him. >> well, first of all, only trump could come up with the valuations that he did and maintain a straight face. you know, he knows that in every

single case, i am quite certain he was intimately involved and made the final call. i'm sure that when they called it a 30,000 foot pent house, if he had any other argument than it was 30,000 feet when it was really 10,000 square feet, that was that it's 60,000 square feet if you count the elevator shafts. you know, his attitude is -- and always has been -- just say it bigger and people will buy it if you say it often enough. and god knows he says it often enough. >> how did he appear to you? i mean, does he look -- how does he look to you? >> you know, he looks -- first of all, he looks -- and this is ironic given all the flak joe biden takes about his age. but he looked old. he looked old. he looked tired. he looked -- you know, he was rambling is a nice way of saying, incoherent, unable to stay on point.

he looks, to me, like someone who's under, you know, tremendous pressure. look, he's facing all of these criminal counts. he's terrified of being found guilty. i don't think he really believes that being found guilty will serve -- forget that it won't serve him well personally. but i don't think he thinks it will help him politically. he's not going to get more supporters because he's found guilty of one of these crimes. this is obviously not one where he'd end up in jail. but it's still, in my mind, he can't possibly help him. what i think, though, is he's setting up -- he's giving us a picture of what an authoritarian, an american authoritarian president, a dictator, will look like. he'll say whatever he wants. he'll do whatever he wants. he'll go after his enemies. he'll do it in ways that defy imagination. and he believes, as was so clear in the court today, that he'll

get away with it. >> he said today that his net worth was far greater than the financial statements, that he could have added brand value to those figures. what do you think when you hear him talk about his brand, whether it's "the art of the deal," or maga, or some hybrid of the two at this point? >> no, i think his brand is maga now. his brand is right wing fanaticism, the willingness to say anything about anybody, the desire to stir up anger and hatred and polarization. i think that's his brand. and remarkably, that brand is being bought by people who stand to lose the most. if you're a young, black man and you're supportive of donald trump, you are supporting someone who is going to come after you because he's a racist and because he is -- because he's a man who inclined to

violence. so, i think -- look. you get to a point where you said something so many times that you feel like the man who was crying wolf. but the people out there -- and there are, i do believe, nearly half the country, maybe half the country -- who are prepared to vote for trump, are so desperately missing what the experience is going to be like for them. it's going to be horrific. i only hope that, you know, that doesn't occur. >> tony swartz, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. just ahead, more breaking news. new explosions in gaza tonight, as israel's military says it has completely encircled gaza city. plus the father of an 8-year-old israeli girl was told she was dead after the murders on october 7th. the slaughter that happened at

his kibbutz. he told clarissa ward that death was a far better fate than being held hostage by hamas. almost a month later, that father has been told his daughter may be alive and a hostage.

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israel's military says it has now encircled gaza city, which it called the, quote, fortress of hamas activities. prime minister benjamin netanyahu says israel will have security for gaza after the war ends. he also said it will last for indefinite period. clarissa ward met with thomas hand, who was told his 8-year-old daughter had been killed. emily had been visiting a friend, when thomas heard the sirens, which didn't worry him until he heard it was gunfire. this was his response to clarissa about hearing his daughter was dead. >> they just said, we found emily, and she's dead. and i went, yes! i went, yes and smiled.

because that is the best news of the possibilities that i knew. >> he called that the best news because it was better, he said, from the horrors he believed awaited her as a hostage in gaza. we have an update to that story tonight. it turns out his daughter, emily, may be alive. ed lavandera has details. >> from the morning of the 7th until now is a nightmare roller coaster, tragedy. >> reporter: the anguished thomas hand is about to describe has left him trembling for weeks. it's a journey of death and a hope of resurrection, he says is impossible to imagine. >> on the day, it was russian roulette whether you made it or not. >> reporter: on october 7th, hamas fighters stormed the kibbutz be'eri, killing 130 people and ravaging the community of 1,100 residents. that morning, thomas' 8-year-old

daughter emily was sleeping at a friend's house. thomas could not reach her, as hamas fighters took over the kibbutz. days after the attack, the irish born father spoke with cnn's clarissa ward about the moment he was told his daughter had been killed. >> thomas waited two agonizing days before getting the news. >> they just said, we found emily, and she's dead. and i went, yes! i went, yes and smiled. because that is the best news of the possibilities that i knew. she'd be in a dark room filled with christ knows how many people and terrified every minute, hour, day, and possible years to come. so, death was a blessing, an absolute blessing. >> reporter: thomas says leaders

of the be'eri kibbutz community told him emily's body was seen in the aeftermath. but almost a month after the massacre, thomas was given news that almost made him collapse. the israeli army told him it's highly probable emily is alive and a hamas hostage. >> how were you told the news emily might be alive? >> that was official from the army with all the information that they have, the intelligence that they have. it's very likely that she's been taken to gaza. >> thomas says he's been told emily's body is not with the remains of victims and that there was no blood found inside the home where she slept the night before. thomas also says that cell phones belonging to the family emily was staying when been tracked inside gaza. >> when you spoke with clarissa ward a few weeks ago, you said,

death would be a blessing in this situation. >> that's how i felt at the time, yeah. >> how do you describe where you are now? >> extremely worried about her, obviously, what conditions she's been held in. she's, you know, more than likely in a tunnel somewhere under gaza. your imagination is -- it's horrible. and it's her birthday on the 17th of this month. she'll be nine. she won't even know what day it is. she won't know what day it is. she won't know it's her birthday. there will be no birthday cake, no party, no friends. it will just be petrified in a tunnel under gaza. that's her birthday. >> reporter: thomas is now flooded with the hope and the despair of what his daughter might be enduring. he prays she can somehow hear these words to her. >> if emily is watching, just to

let her know that we love her, all of us. we're all waiting for her to come back safely. >> reporter: the survivors of the be'eri kibbutz are temporarily living in a hotel. in a lobby, there's a vigil to all the kidnapped hostages. now emily's family says the young girl's mowphoto will be placed next to the others. >> you described being a hostage as worse than death. >> i believe so. the unknown is awful. the waiting is awful. but that's what we've got to do now. just pray and hope that she comes back in some broken state but we can fix her. we'll fix her somehow. >> do you allow yourself now to think about holding emily again? >> in my head, i can see like a

beach scene, her running to me and me running to her, just picking her up, never letting her go. >> and ed joins us now from tel aviv. i mean, what this family has been through, my god. >> reporter: it's unimaginable. he told us that many times the families there at that hotel where they're all staying will simply just come up to him and say, we have no words. and that's the shared grief, the understood grief that they're all enduring. thomas had been making plans to cremate her daughter's body. he wanted to bury her with her mother, who passed away of cancer several years ago. that is what they have been enduring. but despite all of this, anderson, he doesn't harbor any anger toward anyone. he says he understands the leadership of his kibbutz. it was an overwhelming moment.

mistakes might have been made. and he doesn't hold any ill will toward anyone. and right now, all of a sudden, he is now trying to figure out what to do next. in fact, when he was told the news from israeli military, he actually didn't know what to do with it. he almost -- he has two older children, and he contemplated not telling them because, you know, just the roller coaster of emotions. in the end, he said, you know, people needed to know that this is emily's fate right now. so, they wait. >> let's hope they all come home soon. ed lavandera. thank you. just ahead, the humanitarian situation inside gaza. images captured by an american nurse working for the group doctors without borders, who was inside gaza until last week. she joins us next to tell us what it was like getting out.

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called for the secretary general's resignation. emily callahan is a nurse, activity manager, for doctors without murders at msf. he was evacuated last wednesday and arrived back in the u.s. just over the weekend. first of all, how does it feel to be out? >> a lot of people keep asking me that, and i really don't have a good answer. i obviously have a sense of relief that i'm home and i'm with my family and feel safe for the first time in 26 days. and i'm having a really hard time finding any joy in any of it because me being safe is the result of having to leave people behind. >> people watching this have seen images from gaza. they've seen the hospital images. they've seen the horror, children dead, day after day after day after day. i mean, they've seen all the images. but to actually be there and to

experience it, you're experiencing all these things which a camera can never capture. can you just talk a little bit about what -- when you close your eyes at night, what is it you think about now? >> i think the answer to that question, i think i'll start at kytc, which was we were relocate about five times over the course of 26 days due to security concerns. and one of the places we wound up was the training center, kytc -- >> that's when people evacuated to the south. >> yes. and there were -- by the time we left there, there were 35,000 internally displaced people living alongside us. there were children with just massive burns down their faces, down their necks, all over their limbs. and because the hospitals are so overwhelmed, they are being discharged immediately after.

and they're being discharged to these camps with no access to running water. there's 50,000 people at that camp now and four toilets. they're given two hours of water every 12 hour. >> four toilets for 50,000 people. >> yes. and that's where we were living too. and they have these fresh open burns and wounds and partial amputations that are just walking around these conditions. and parents are bringing their children to us going, please, can you help, please, can you help? and we have no supplies. >> in situations where there are tens of thousands of people and it is a war and people don't -- can't feed their kids, things get strange very fast and things get tough very, very fast and people turn on each other. you saw that up close. >> at kytc, we were -- the reason we had to leave was because we were starting to be harassed. people -- desperate people -- who are losing loved ones right and left are angry.

and they would point at me and scream, american, walking past. and at that point, we had no idea what was coming in the next few days. and they would yell things in hebrew to see if we were israeli. they accused of national staff of either being traitors or said, you're pretending to be arab. we know that you're just pretending to be arab. stop lying to us. and our staff had to defend themselves. and we said to them over and over again, you don't have to stay. we understand if you want to leave us. and they said, you are family too. we're not going anywhere. >> your staff were concerned about your safety. >> we would have died within a week without them. they are the only reason we are alive. >> it's incredible that this took so long to get americans, sick people, start to move through that rafah border crossing.

it's inexplicable. >> and we were desperate. we did calorie counts based on our supplies and figured out if all of us -- there's 50 people living the in a parking lot -- only ate 700 calories a day, that's all we had, we had two days of food left. and that's it. and our national staff took off. we had no cell service at that point. there's bombs going off all around us because there's no safe place in gaza. >> even getting through that rafah border crossing, what was that like? >> they didn't leave our side for a second. >> the national staff. >> the national staff. >> because they feared for your safety even at the border crossing. >> they made sure they were standing between us and desperate people. they made sure they were talking to every official they could find trying to push us through, get us on a bus, get us out. and we're watching these incredible men who have sacrificed everything for us, time with their families, their own physical safety, their own water supply they were giving to us, and we're watching them fight to get us across the border knowing that we were not

bringing them with us. and they didn't -- they didn't waiver. ibrahim was right in the front with our passports fighting to get us on. and we find out his parents are dead. they were losing family members and friends. >> you said, if it wasn't for national staff, you think you would have been killed. >> mm-hmm. >> by people who were just desperate? >> we either would have starved to death or run out of water. they were the ones that negotiated all of that. they -- gaza is a small city, so everyone knows everyone. and they would call in favors and call their friends and say, who do you know that has food? who do you know that's open? where can we get this? and they would drive all over the place to find water. when we ran out of bottled water in gaza, they were the ones that were able to figure out that the water truck was coming here at these times. and oh, i know this guy has a grocery store and they still have power sometimes. i think i can probably get something from them. when i say we would have starved

to death without them, i am not exaggerating. and in the moments of absolute desperation of civilians, they were steadfast and calm and just talked to them and said, these people are also in the same boat that you are. they have no supplies. they also have no food and water. they are also sleeping outside on the concrete. and did it in such a beautiful way that they were able to talk them down with love and kindness. there was no violence in their heart. and it calmed everyone around them down as well. >> would you go back to gaza? >> in a heart beat. in an absolute heartbeat. my heart is in gaza. it will stay in gaza. the palestinian people that i worked with both our national staff in the office as well as my staff at indonesia hospital were some of the most incredible people i've ever met in my life. when everything went off and we got the notice to move south, i was texting my nurses at

indonesia hospital. and i said, we lost a nurse weekend one. he was killed when the ambulance outside the hospital was blown up. and i was texting them when we got the evacuation orders, and i said, did any of you move south? did any of you get out? are any of you coming down this way? and the only answer i got was, this is our community. this is our family. these are our friends. if they're going to kill us, we're going to die saving as many people as we can. and i said, if i can ever have an ounce of the heart that you have, i will die a happy person. they were incredible. i would like to send out a reminder that there are civilians seeking shelter there and that my doctors and nurses didn't leave out of loyalty to their community. and i know that there is an idea being pushed right now that anyone that stayed behind is going to be considered some kind of a threat. and i want to remind people that the people that stayed behind are heroes. the people that stayed behind are -- they know they're going

to die. and they're choosing to stay behind anyway. >> you're talking about doctors/nurses in the hospital. >> i wake up every morning and i send out a text message and i ask, are you alive? and every night before i go to sleep, i send another message and says, are you alive? >> kelly, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. coming up next, a new all over the map, new polling could spell trouble for president biden. how the election in virginia tomorrowow could be e a key bellwewether for e election 202.

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the presidential election a year away, but what happens tomorrow could view how voters see issues next year. now in pursuit of abortion legislation, with full republican control of the senate legislature would enable, virginia governor glenn youngkin is on the campaign trail. so in this week's "all over the map," john king talks to the governor and virginia voters. >> reporter: a change of seasons in loudoun county and a choice that will echo well beyond virginia. >> it's tough. i have two girls. i feel personally that every woman has the right to do what she feels right for her with her body. >> reporter: nanette is a republican voter, but one of the suburban voters who changes virginia from red to blue. she voted early for the

democrat. >> five flyers every day for the last month. it's a lot of money wasted. >> reporter: republican governor glenn youngkin is among those spending millions. >> flipping the senate! holding the house, flipping the senate! >> reporter: youngkin is not on this year's ballot, but his presidential ambitions are. youngkin thinks he can reverse the republican collapse in the suburbs, even while backing new abortion restrictions. if voters give him a full republican legislature, youngkin says virginia will ban abortions after 15 weeks with exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother. >> no longer we can allow bureaucrats to tell folks that parents don't belong in the classroom. >> reporter: yet no abortion mentioned in his rally speech. >> you said you're for tax cuts, parental rights, police. >> it's very clear where i stand on this. we're running a big advertising campaign. >> here's the truth. there is no ban.

virginia republicans support a reasonable 15-week limit. >> maga republicans want to ban abortions in virginia. criminalizing abortions is wrong. >> it is a giant test of whether republicans can end a streak of punishing election losses since the supreme court tossed out roe v. wade. >> discussion around abortion is one between an extreme position from the left and a reasonable position from all republicans. >> the youngkin events look like a presidential test run. democrats hope to unseat a big youngkin ally and prove the abortion debate still cuts their way. >> there's nothing reasonable about banning abortion, but that's exactly what republican done van wants to do. >> during the covid lockdowns, shavon done van, that really worked to get kids back in the classrooms. i'm deeply appreciative for that. >> reporter: rachel supports donald trump, prefers a six-week

abortion ban, but is open to compromise. >> i don't support abortion. but if you can get it to 15 weeks, i think perhaps that's a fair middle ground. >> reporter: loudoun county is 40 miles west of washington, d.c. it still leaned red when this man moved here 18 years ago. loudoun was home to shy of 100,000 people then. it is more than four times that now and 20% of the county's voters are asian. >> my neighbors are vietnamese, korean, and i'm chinese. you talk about diversity. this is a very diverse area. >> it's also become more democratic out here. does that bother you? >> it bothers me, yes. >> reporter: south carolina born glad disburke takes issue with youngkin's education agenda. >> it's been about not teaching black history in the schools, not recognizing our black history. because i lived it. >> reporter: but still undecided

on the state senate race that could tip the balance of power. >> i've never been this torn before. >> but you're open to some restriction. >> absolutely. >> on abortion. >> oh, yeah, absolutely. >> reporter: even if she votes republican this time, burke says youngkin is wrong to think virginia will return to red next year. >> biden, biden, biden, biden. >> you like him? >> absolutely. i think he's done a great job. >> reporter: nanette is the face of the suburban shift. her last republican vote for president, george w. bush in 2004. still a registered republican but ready to cast a fifth consecutive democratic vote for president next year, but with hesitation. >> i don't think he's the perfect one. but if i have to pick between him and trump, who i would never ever, ever, ever vote for, it would be biden. and just pray. >> that's for next november. first, this year's big test. >> john king joins us now.

what else did the new poll reveal about a potential biden/trump rematch? >> let's start with tomorrow. that new poll showed biden is weak and it showed he's bleeding his coalition. tomorrow in virginia, ohio, and elsewhere, we're going to look at the results and see if there are more clues about 2024. down here in the richmond suburbs, can governor youngkin bring swing voters back to republicans. this is the 2020 map. that poll showed -- these were blue in 2020. michigan and wisconsin. pennsylvania. georgia. arizona. and nevada. that poll showed right now all six states won by joe biden in 2020. he is either trailing or in a dead heat with donald trump. why, anderson? that's why it's so interesting. the horse race numbers are one thing. but it's underneath the poll that shows the president, the incumbent president is in deep trouble. donald trump beats him in those states by 20+ points on the economy. donald trump beats him by more than ten points on immigration. the president says donald trump is a threat to democracy. they run almost even on that

issue, the president with just a narrow edge. the issues, trump -- the president is bleeding from the democratic coalition. he won young voters by a lopsided margin. they're tied. he won more than 9 in 10 black votes in 2020. only 70% in this poll. trump did make progress in latino vote in 2020, but he's making more progress now. if the president can't fix this. he has a year, but if he cannot fix the bleeding of his coalition, what happens if he doesn't fix it, anderson? is that. and the republicans win. >> don king, thanks very much. we'll see what happens tomorrow. we'll be r right back.k.

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