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>> turn three 60, breaking news on what the idf is saying in israeli military operation underway inside gaza's main hospital. supporters of israel fill them of washington, according to parents one badly wounded american hostage. also tonight, weather is the center witness nearly coming to blows with the near house speaker urgently elbowing a fellow republican member. what is going on in congress? unless senator bernie sanders, who joins me now. preventing a fight. today we begin with the breaking news, what israeli military officials are calling the, quote, precise a targeted operation in al-shifa hospital in gaza city. it is both gaza's largest hospital and, according to israel, a base for fighters in tunnels underneath. just today john kirby said that american intelligence support of this new, and i'm quoting him now, hamas in the

palestinian islamic jihad use some hospitals in the gaza strip, including al-shifa, and tunnels underneath them, to conceal and support the military operations and to hold hostages. he added, hamas in the palestinian islamic jihad members operated commander control node from al-shifa in gaza city. they stored weapons there and are prepared to respond to an israeli military operation against that facility. all of this coming is israel's defense minister complaint maintain that hamas lost control in a gaza strip, and also negotiators trying to reach a deal on releasing with the more than 200 hostages held by hamas and others. a reporter isn't just across the board from gaza. you were in a hospital when you got to the idf. what do we know about this operation, the idf is carrying out chief of hospital? >> yeah, precisely targeted operation is what is highly described it, saying it is based on intelligence information and operational

necessity, and they say they have people trained, medics trained and arabic language specialists, trained for what is going to be a complex operation, is how they describe it, and they reiterated what they have been saying many times, the hamas has been using this hospital as a base of operations, of sorts, and they say that they gave a 12-hour warning in the past 24 hours to hamas, saying leave and surrender, and this was not taken up, apparently. the explosions you're hearing behind me a part of an ongoing operation little bit further north than where al-shifa hospital is. that's been going on all through the day. but precisely on the hospital, the idf is saying that they are not targeting patients or doctors. they say they have released

this information in arabic. it's not clear how many patients or doctors in al-shifa hospital are able to get this message, but this is they are not targeting patients or doctors, that they will be organizing evacuations, that they do plan to help the medical staff with the medical messages there that they will possibly helping with the transfer of incubators or the provision of incubators for young children later in the day. they also, they have a message, as well, for the civilians hiding out there in the hospital, saying they are not being targeted either. so this is very clear from the idf's perspective a precisely aimed at hamas. how this unfolds in the middle of the night, in a military operation, where there is the potential for hamas to fire back and fire on the troops in the vicinity of possibly civilians, possibly medical staff, possibly patients, it's

going to be very difficult given the levels of fear on both sides as civilians there will be obviously terrified about the situation. they've been aware that the idf has been positioned around the hospital for a number of days now, so this is a very complex and will be difficult operation. >> so nick, the hospital you are at yesterday, can you talk about what you saw and how visible with that, i believe it was placed in stockpiling weapons and other, things talk about what you saw. how visible would it be to anybody coming and going in that hospital? is that something the people in the hospital, doctors, staff, i assume they would have been aware of that. >> so in the hospital there they say that they have been subsequent to our visit we have been in touch with medical authorities from the hospital.

they say that in the basement of the hospital, where we visited, families had been sheltering. civilians from the neighborhood have been children because they thought the hospital was a safer place to be. it would seem, from what we saw, that the basement would have been accessible from the rest of the building and there's no reason that most activities in the basement would have been known to the hospital authorities. it's hard to say from our visit if hamas or other groups could have operated out there without the hospital staff knowing. they say there wasn't any operation. there weren't any hamas operatives there in the basement. that casts doubt on the information that the idf has provided, and some of the things that the idf pointed out to them looked suspicious about the weapons that were found there, about a chair. there was a woman's clothing on

the chair. there was rope around the legs of the chair. i asked the idf spokesman, when he showed this to, us if he thought that meant hostages had been there and he said we're going to do dna testing to see if that is the case. he didn't say definitively. it was the case. but what he was showing us proportionate he believed to show an area where hostages had been kept, a makeshift toilet facility there which did look out of place. and again, would have been hired, i think, for hospital staff not to have been aware of this makeshift toilet. but it's impossible to know definitively, in a short space of time, in the dark, precisely what hospital staff may have known, and precisely what else there may be in other parts of the hospital or even in other areas of the basement we didn't get to. >> nick, we're gonna come back to you momentarily. we're joined by idf spokesman

peter lerner. can we talk about what israel is calling a precise and targeted operation adele shiva hospital? >> thank you, anderson. yes, we are conducting our operations in the schieffer compound. and as you've been showing, it is a huge compound. i think what is important to identify in our announcement we said localized in specific in a specific location so we are not running the hospital we are conducting a preseason targeted operation against specific location where we have intelligence and indeed operational change in order to defeat hamas and perhaps rescue hostages. >> and what do you believe is there? admiral kirby had talked about a command node. >> anderson, we've been sharing with the world for weeks now what we understand is a substantial hamas command and control position, a place of

operations, a place of hiding, and perhaps a place of keeping we hostage, is holding the hostages, or some hostages. and so when we are mobilizing, precisely to achieve our military goals, the milk military goals of this war, we're in today 40 now of this, we're aware that we didn't ask, for a war that cost over 1200 israeli lives and 240 israelis are being held hostage. so our goal is to bring them home, to seek out hamas wherever they are hiding, in the hospital compound is one place, a central place, central hub of their operations. perhaps even the beating heart and maybe the center of gravity. we have to deal with the threat and what we have been trying to do throughout extensively over the last few days, you've covered it, we've been trying to evacuate the hospital. we've bought fuel for the essential services. we've been trying and attempting to bring mobile

incubators to try to get some of those babies out of the hospital because the people of gaza are not our enemies. a masters the enemy. that is why we're trying to, extensively operate in order to distinguish between the civilians that nick was talking about and the hamas terrorists that are using the hospital in jeopardizing those people. >> if, in fact, the idf and u.s. intelligence is correct and this is an important hub or command control node, what everyone wants to call it, that would mean that palestinian health officials, who have often been quoted, have been lying when they said that there is no military at this hospital. is there any way that you believe health officials reporters who the growth side the hospital with cameras, doctors, people that work in the hospital, would not be aware of what was going on on the grounds of al-shifa? we >> when you say health officials, we have to always

add one word beforehand, hamas health officials. >> that's a given. >> amass health officials. so it frames the whole discussion. would they hide? it can hide it? are they free to even speak? the -- hospitals likely named after one of the founders of hamas. so this is the context of the conflict. hamas, over the last 16 years, have built this mercy, this machine of murder. they've utilized all the tools of government. so the health authorities, are just one of those tools. it would not be beyond the understanding that the hamas terrorist organization utilized and abused and put at risk the people of gaza through its health ministry and officials, would lie to the world. why wouldn't? they they butcher babies in our bedrooms. why wouldn't they lie to the world about this? >> we do you have a sense of how many staff, how many patients are still on the compound? and what that means for this operation? the complexity of it.

>> the complexity of, it of course, based on the information, and we have been in touch with the hospital administration throw the last days, we've shared recordings of the conversations, publicly. we understand that there are about 1000 people, give or take. but they are not in, necessarily, this specific location. definitely not all of them are in the specific location. we are conducting our search. currently there may be some civilians. obviously it is a complex operation, but we are going out of our way in order to mitigate that threat, and that is why we have announced, we haven't formed, we have had open channels, we have tried to facilitate and bring down the amount of people and tens of thousands of people that were taking refuge in the hospital two weeks ago are no longer there. they have left to go south, to south gaza. yes, the civilians are a challenge, and this is why. we've trained for this

operation, as nick pointed out. we have doctors and also arabic speak in order to address some of those threats. we need to take into consideration, we are professional military, and our principles guide, as the principles that guide us are proportionality but also distinction and the military necessity of the operation. there is no doubt, based on the intelligence that we have shared in the u.s. have shared over the last day, that there is a mass military necessity in this operation. >> peter lerner, thank you. we appreciate it. back to nic robertson in sderot, and also four star general wesley clark. general clark, you are talking about proportionality in the sin city. can you talk about that a little bit, just from a military standpoint? in all wars, when there are civilians around and there are targets of that our military necessity, their calculations

essentially done about how valuable is the target, what is the risk of civilian lives, and how much civilian mass is acceptable? these are horrible calculations, but these are calculations that armies make during war. a situation like this, operating on the ground in a hospital, it's good to be extraordinarily difficult. >> sure. and you're exactly right, anderson, about the way you cast it. you know what the target is. you know how valuable it is. you try to estimate what the risks are of hurting civilians, and then you have to make the judgment of whether the target, going after the target, taking out the target, is worth the risk of injuring people who are innocent and not part of the enemy force. but here you are dealing with the command and control note of hamas. you're dealing with hamas that has deliberately, cynically located its most valuable assets in a hospital. deliberately to try to provoke

outrage in the world community and discredit israel. israel's israelis notice. they've got really great intel on this. when those soldiers go in and armored vehicles first and dismounted into the buildings, and it is a very complex compound, as you saw from the overhead cover, don't have helicopters, drones overhead. they'll be able to mark in repositions with lasers. you will be able to deliver precise fire if there is an opponent there. and then they've got to go inside. if hamas is there, yes, there could be a shoot out in a hospital corridor. and they're going to have to get to the bottom of it. and they're gonna have to search for the tunnel entrances around it. so at every step the soldier on the ground, the take manager, and so forth, is at risk. he's putting himself out there. he's likely to draw fire. he has the right to self defense. no matter what. always.

and he is going to respond, if he is attacked, but he's got a lot of assets back in all eyes on the battlefield. so with everything that could possibly be done to protect civilians. and still go after the command and control at the hospital. and israelis, militarily they have to do. this >> one of the things i'm surprised there is not more outrage at, internationally about, is that hamas had two years, say, to prepare this attack, or a year. however long it was. we don't know the exact amount of time we've been preparing. but certainly they've been preparing for quite some time. they have not made any effort to build any bomb shelter for any civilian, it seems, in the gaza strip. they built tunnels for themselves, to store supplies and weapons and to protect themselves. but they're not bomb shelters. even the kind of shelters that you see on the sides of the road in israel by bus stops to protect against rockets. those don't exist on the

streets of gaza. in your military experience, have you seen many countries or territories with a military that does not prepare or have some save hybrid fruit civilians? >> no, but on the other hand, her mass deliberately wants these civilians to be at risk. >> yes, that's the point, but i still find it stunning that that doesn't seem to register with a lot of people. >> the thing about it, anderson, we call a massive terrorist organization but it's actually the government of this gaza strip. they're in charge of everything. >> right, in the ever seemed hundreds of millions of dollars from qatar and other places, and they have not built any bomb shelters for their people. >> right. because they're not interested in protecting their people. they're interested in provoking

international outrage against israel. they knew that when they launched this attack. and they hope to draw israel in, boggy's real down, make a lot of casualties, do whether doing with world opinion, a lot of voices out there saying cease-fire, cease-fire, cease-fire, and try to stop the israeli assault and then declare victory. that's the goal. so the more civilian casualties of the israelis inflict, even though they don't want to inflict any, the greater hamas believes its chances of success. >> and nick, it's accurate to say that the health officials in gaza have denied repeatedly that al-shifa hospital or others are being used by hamas for any we, i don't even want to call it military purposes, i mean for any of their own purposes? >> they have, and it's

something health officials in gaza hamas, health officials say is true for other hospitals there and we've been speaking, cnn has been speaking, with officials from the hospital over the last few days and just going through our latest information on that in appears the most recent over the past couple of days, beta from the hospital itself, or male shiva hospital, they say they're about 7000 civilians taking refuge there, or they were until recently. it's not clear how many of those might have left, and about 1500 staff, 100 or so doctors, other medical officials and included in that 1500, of course 700 patients as well, as well as sort of support staff in the hospitals, so it's really a big complex. a complex complex. and it still appears a significant number of people

working there. you would have to assume that these health officials would have knowledge of the whole complex. there's a lot of people there, it would have knowledge of the nooks and crannies, if you will. they wouldn't be places that they wouldn't know about within the hospital complex. so they continue to say hamas isn't there. >> that's the thing about operating, i mean, anyone who has reported from gaza knows, i mean, you know see rockets being fired from civilian areas, rockets being fired from the building, the time, the last time i was in gaza, i could see rockets were being fired from in buildings nearby me. even the doctors in the hospitals know hamas. , islamic jihad in others are fighting rockets over their hospitals but they don't speak out about it because they don't want to get killed. they obviously, nobody speaks out against hamas for fear of their own safety. maybe they agree with a mask,

maybe they don't, and a lot of people don't gaza, don't like hamas. but people don't speak out, but people know, i mean they know where the tunnels locations are or where the rockets are being fired from. you can see it. >> in a nutshell, people, people are scared. when her mass was voted in by the electorate in gaza to power in 2006, 2007, they went around throwing out windows of high buildings, the political opposition. they might've won an election in 2006, but they have maintained control ever since through fear and intimidation. they might have a hard-core base of supporters there who genuinely believe in them, but the vast majority of people would not want to speak out against, and would fear speaking out against them, like you, anderson.

i've been to gaza and have had those private conversations, away from cameras with people who will tell you precisely that. we are too afraid to speak out. hamas has done this to me, have done that to me. >> the last time i was there i watched as hamas, to on motorbikes dragged to human beings along on the ground, the legs tied together with rope or chains, to the motorbikes, and they were dragging them through the streets as a warning to other people. i don't know what those people have been accused of, but they were palestinians, and they were dead and they were being, accused, probably of being collaborators, and they drag them through the street as a warning to everybody else to stay silent and to not collaborate. we're overtime. nic robertson, thank you wesley clark, thank you. coming up next, my conversation with parents of a son who is still being held hostage. we believe last seen with his

half of his left arm blown off being loaded into a pick up truck. later, a day unlike most if not many at the capitol, republican voted to oust kevin mccarthy saying mccarthy elbowed him in the coming in the halls of congress. an n npr repororter side and jos usus.

>> israel's military operation tonight al-shifa hospital in gaza city is aimed at idf spokesman a moment ago told me specific target within the hospital compound, a large compound, natural overrunning

the entire facility, he said. this is coming with negotiations underway to try to secure the release of some 240 hostages still being held. no word on exactly who's being held or how many. the red cross has not been allowed to visit any of these hostages. earlier today president biden expressed opposition about those talks. >> i've been talking about, them people involved everything will, day i believe it's gonna happen. i don't want to get into detail. >> what's your message for the families? >> hang in there. we're coming. >> some of the families were in washington today, part of solidarity for israel rally which drew tens of thousands of the national mall, among them up the parents of herschel -- his mother rachel spoke today. >> families have lived the last 39 days in slow motion torment. for 38 nights, none of us have slapped the real sleep of the

before. we all have third degree burns on our souls. our hearts are bruised and seeping with misery. but the real souls suffering are those of the hostages. why is the world accepting that 240 human beings from almost 30 countries have been stolen and buried alive? >> herschel goldberg, poland, her son's 23 year old. that is him. he was attending the music festival with his friends. hersh was seen in a video shown before, which we have shown is graphic. you can see part of his left arm has been blown off by a grenade. several of which were thrown by hamas gunman into the bomb

shelter where he and as many as 28 other people were hiding. he was unloaded into the back of a pick up truck and is presumed to be hostage in gaza. we have since obtained a new video of what happened outside that bomb shelter. evidence of his friends remarkable heroes among the last moments of his life. in it will see her mask in one tossing one grenada after another into the bomb shelter which, i said, as many as 29 people, including hirsch and honor were trying to hide. somebody was throwing grenades back out for. each canadian was tossed in, one person was throwing it was tossing back out. the person saying those throwing the grenade out was honor shapiro. take a look. >> [sound of artillery]

[sound of artillery] >> we all wonder what we would do in a situation like that. 29 people that small little room. would we meet the person who's standing the doorway, knowing that you were the first one who

is going to be shot, or the first one killed if they came in. when you have the courage to pick up a live grenade and throw it back out, not just once, not just twice, five times? at least one grenade eventually did make it through, and it went off. it killed honor shapiro, who had saved so many others. it killed as many as 20 other people, according to rachael goldberg. i spoke 1819, it's unclear how many survived. but i tried to rachel and her husband, john poland, earlier tonight. >> rachel, we have just shown this video, which i saw for the first time today, and we see five grenades that have been thrown into the bomb shelter where your son hurts and as many as 28 other people were hiding. we see five grenades, we saw tossed back. out according to eyewitnesses who you have spoken to, a friend of your son's, honor shapiro, who was tossing those grenades back out. to see that, is extraordinary.

>> amazing. he is a true hero, and i said to his mother, because we just had, in the jewish tradition, 30 days after the funeral is the family traditionally goes to visit the grave. and a lot of people come to support the family. and we just had that on sunday. and i was telling his mother how i am so sad that there is not a word stronger than hero, because i really feel that, and they talked a lot about it, and they have a picture, which i don't know if we've shared with, you of all the young people. he had told them all to get down, so there is a heap of young people, and just honor standing in the doorway. just him by himself. and it is obvious that he knew he was going to die, but he was going to defend these people on

the way and that's exactly what happened and there are 11 people, well sure there are eight people who are alive today, sleeping at, home because of honor, and hirsch and to other young man, god willing, are alive, in gaza, and we'll come home because of honor. it's unbelievable what he did. >> john, this is your second trip, both of you have made since the terror attack on october 7th to the u.s.. why did you want to come and speak it today's rally? we >> yeah, so, first of all, it's rachel spoke isn't israeli she always has for the last 39 days. she spoke eloquently and powerfully, in a way that motivated people and hopefully motivated them to take action. but first of all, we need to keep on getting the story of her shin the hostages out there. today we had an audience of what seemed like 300,000 people

who came to be part of the story and hopefully take action on. it >> rachel, i want to play something you play today at the wheeler alley by a man who hid during the holocaust. when asked why, this was his answer. >> at least i will know when i die and stand before a guide, he will not ask me what he asked cain in the bible. where were you when your brother's blood cried out from the ground? what the world needs to start thinking about today's, what will your excuse be? >> do you feel like herschel, the rest of the people being held hostage, who nobody has even identified? the red cross hasn't been able to visit? there's no confirmation of life

or names of anybody? do you feel like they are being failed by the world? >> i do. i do. i think, you know it's not even so much that they're being filled by the world, which i think is obvious. i think we as human beings are failing to be the aspiring humane beings we claim to be. i think we have tremendous potential. i don't think the people are ignoring the 240 human beings that are buried under gaza because they hate them. i think they are doing it because they are indifferent and in fact i would even go further. there were some people who we were introduced to today, government officials who we were introduced to today, who said to me, when i introduced myself and i said, my son is an

american civilian who was wounded, who was kidnapped from festival, and i started to have a conversation with gentlemen and he said, so how often do they let you talk to him? and it was such a slap to understand the people in our government -- >> and u.s. officials said? that >> don't even. oh yes. and it was a real slap to realize that not everyone in the american government even understands what happened and forget about the 2:44 just a moment, we have ten american civilians who are part of that group and to have american officials with 39 days in don't even understand what actually happened and what is continuing to happen was really shocking. shocking. >> president biden said today that a deal to free the hostages being held by hamas is,

quote, going to happen. i understand you plan to meet with the top negotiator while in washington. you've tight in the past about finding hope wherever you can. john, you alluded to this before. is this a glimmer of hope? >> it is, but i feel like for weeks now we have been hearing murmurs of deals for some number of people, for children, for the elderly. we haven't seen it yet. so as i keep saying, that's great people are talking about, it it's great that maybe there will be a deal. until the hostages come back to their loved ones, we can't stop. we can't rely on maybe a deal happening. i hope it happens. i hope it happens for all 240. but until it dies, we have no choice but to continue to pound away at what we are doing. >> rachel, today is tuesday.

on friday, in the last time we tighten jerusalem, we talked about a friday night you went on the balcony and you said the blessing for your son. is that something you do every friday? >> i do. every friday night. i go out on my porch that i showed that blessing to hersh. it's always very hard for me. it's very emotional. and i will keep on doing it until he comes home where i have any reason that i shouldn't be doing it anymore. and i really love for her to have peace. i can't imagine what he and all those hostages are going through. i can't wait for the day that i can do that blessing the way that we traditionally do it, which is you put both your hands on the head of your child. >> rachel goldberg, john pullen, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> just ahead, capitol hill, scene of one alleged elbowing

today and one near brawl. first was it is by a reporter with npr. she joins us next. we'll talk to senator bernie sanders about what he stepped into, ahead.

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joins us in a moment. the other between two house republicans. former house repeater speaker kevin mccarthy and tim burchett, one of the eight to voted to remove mccarthy as speaker. this happen in the halls as a reporter was interviewing congressman burchett. here's the audio. >> we're doing all right. sorry, kevin, didn't mean to elbow. wedge elbow me in the back, kevin? hey, kevin? you got any gas? jerk. >> has he done that before? >> no. that's unusual. >> you elbowed near the back. the reporter said it, right there. what kind of a chicken movies that? you are pathetic, man. you are so pathetic. what a jerk. you need security, kevin.

>> brigitte later spoke to manu raju about what happened. >> i got elbowed in the back. it kind of caught me off guard because it was a clean shot to the kidneys. i turned back and there was kevin. i chased after him, of course. as i stated many times, he's a bully with $17 million in a security detail. he's the type of guy that when your kids rock over the fence around home and hide behind his mama's skirt. >> bridget also told cnn he was still in a bit of pain. now mccarthy has been has denied that he intentionally shoved him or elbowed him. he said i didn't shove or elbow him, it was a tight hallway burchett says he doesn't buy mccarthy's explanation. former efforts played against, him something any member of congress can do whether or not they actually witness the inch incident. journeyman of india reporter who did witness the incident, claudio greer solace. claudia, what did you see? >> good to be with you,

anderson. just a very shocking moment. very routine mornings when we go up to the capital tuesday morning's when the republican conference for example was meeting nearby. a severe start to republicans leaving that meeting and i saw burchett coming up that hallway, away from where the republicans were moments before. he came to the side of the hallway to talk to me, and he had a moment to speak to me before, as you heard in the auto audio he played, until he was shoved, he lunged towards me in that moment and i thought maybe initially it was a joke and i looked up, i saw it was mccarthy surrounded by his detail, i can tell by birch its response it was not a joke at all. >> so was it a tight corridor? i mean, do you buy mccarthy's explanation? >> these are tight hallways. that is correct. these are small hallways. but we are trained as journalists to go into those

hallways to make sure to clear a path. that's something repeated was continuously by staffers with the media gallery, to remind us that members and others need to have access, to get from that room, that conference room, to the rest of the capital, through tunnels to other house buildings, to the house chamber, and what have you. so we had moved to the side. there was room for mccarthy in his detail to go through without bumping or shoving into anyone. >> so were you looking down? did you actually see an elbow or a shove? >> as the group was walking away, i could see all of these suits from behind, walking down the hallway, and what appeared to me was that someone had pulled their arm in and it appeared to be mccarthy who had just made contact with burchett. so you see the moment after available be moved back? >> exactly, yes. >> you've been at capitol hill for several years.

how does this compare to other periods when tensions were running high? >> this is probably the lowest of what we've seen between members even in their own conference, specifically house republicans. -- the >> lowest, you mean the worst? >> the worst. this is something i've been playing more close attention to most recently. i was writing about it last week in terms of what we are seeing when it comes to interparty fighting for house republicans. the concern i have had i've expressed my colleagues is that it would become physical. we would see physical altercations between members, and it was surreal to see that play out in front of my eyes today. >> claudia grisales, thank you. next the other altercation, was literally go time between a former mma fighter turned senator in the head of the teamsters during senate testimony today. that is until senator bernie sanders stepped in to stop it. senator sanders joins us next.

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point out as a former mixed martial arts writer read that one allowed, and then this happened. >> if you want to run your mouth, we can be two consenting, adults we can finish here. >> okay, that is fine. >> i would love to do it right now. >> you stand up. >> well -- sit down. sit down. you are united states another. >> sit down please. >> can i respond? >> hold it. if we can't -- i have the, mike i'm sorry, hold it. you will have your time. >> can i respond? >> no you can't. this is a hearing. god knows the american people have enough contempt for congress. -- >> i don't like you. >> hold it. >> senator sanders -- the committee just saw their joins us now. senator sanders, have you seen a time like this before?

what is going through your mind when this is happening in front of you? >> well it is pretty pathetic. we are the united states senator challenging a member of the panel who is the head of one of the roger unions in america which is just negotiated a very good contract for their workers teamsters, i think the point i tried to make is, this country has faced so many crisis, we have massive income and wealth inequality, we have a housing crisis, our health care system is almost collapsing, it is broken and dysfunctional. we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. climate change is threatening the entire existence of the planet. this is what goes on at the senate hearing. that is why the american people are getting sick and tired of what goes on here in congress. what that hearing was about, as a matter of fact, it might be

nice for the media to pay attention to what the hearing was about, is that workers all over this country are standing up and fighting back against corporate greed, unions like the uaw and teamsters and others are winning good contracts, and what the message of the hearing was about was if we are going to rebuild a disappearing middle class, workers should be joining unions, and taking on large corporations who are making record-breaking profits. ceos now make 350 times what their workers are making. that is what the hearing was about, not a senator getting into a fight with a union leader. >> is this a sign -- i mean look, the senate is supposed to be the adults. in the senate is the -- of debate and the quorum. is what -- we have seen in the house these

sort of not a lot of policy being discussed, but people looking for soundbites, people looking to have and be outraged about, something and have clicks and tweet out stuff. do you see that seeping into the senate? >> i do. i have this, anderson, the media plays this role. there was not much coverage of the uaw had to say about the work they did to raise wages for workers in the automobile industry, which by the way trickled into the non-union plants as well. it wasn't a whole lot to be seen about what sean abraded and sara nelson had to say for the flight attendants. so i think if you're going to look at the problem, media plays a role as well. you tell me, is the media more interested in a confrontation than what we have massive levels of income and wealth inequality? so i hope we all get it together. congress, media, let us ask ourselves why it is that after

50 years, the average worker today is earning less than real dollars than 50 years ago while people on top are doing phenomenally well. that to me is an important issue that congress should be discussing, media should be covering. >> do you think that issue is playing a big enough rule in the public debate, as we go into this election? >> no. of course not. >> by the democrats making that fountains enter? >> no. i have said over and over again, in democratic caucus, on media, that if the democrats want to do well in 2024, they have to make it clear which side they are on. when the people on toppling phenomenally well, 60% of americans are living paycheck to paycheck, people, half 1 million people sleeping on the streets, crime has gone up, we have to make it clear that we are prepared to stand with the working class of this country,

and take on the corporate greed which has been so very destructive. record-breaking profits in corporate america. ceos 350 times the earnings of what their workers are making. we have to make it clear what side we are on. if you're asking me whether the democrats are strong as they should be doing, that the answer is no. >> i also want to get your reaction into -- out of israel and gaza, the idf carrying out an operation in al-shifa hospital, admiral kirby saying and agreeing it seems with what the idf has been saying about there being a hamas command and control node on the grounds of or underneath al-shifa hospital. what are your concerns? >> my concerns is that we are in really unspeakably horrible situation. hamas begins the war with a terrorist attack, killed 1300, these --

israel had the population of the united states there would be over 40,000 people, that horrible. then israel responds by and doing what seems to be clear indiscriminate bombing, i mean bombing not tactical, bombing but bombings that are killing children and growing into refugee camps. that has got to stop. so where we are right now is we are looking at a humanitarian disaster. one and a half million people. can your match in 1 million and a half people? that is twice the size of the state of vermont have been displaced from their homes, nobody knows where they are going to go. they don't have enough food, not enough, water not enough medical supplies. so what i'm trying to do along with other members of the senate, is create a situation where we can have a massive influx of humanitarian aid going into the area, versus a shun of the bombings so that aid can go in, and long term.

long term. we have got to tell the netanyahu government there will be a two state solution that the extreme right wing in the israeli government right now cannot continue. it is racist and he posted in rhetoric, there is an enormous amount of work to be, doing but the bottom line is we have to do everything we can to bring peace to the region, it is a long term solution. >> bernie sanders, appreciate you, time thank you. >> thank you very y much. >> we wiwill be righght back.