degradation and i they directly contributed to it. >> do they pay any consequence? >> of course, not. >> while those arguments were going on on the hill and acting like children, there's 300,000 people on the mall marching because they feel like the political tone is getting to a point where it feels like the 1940s. >> that's a great point. that's the juxtaposition. that's the split screen yesterday. >> thank you so much. good to have you. "cnn this morning" continues now. israel is carry ing out a precise and targeted operation at the largest hospital in the gaza strip. >> we have intelligence and operational necessity in order to defeat hamas and perhaps rescue hostages. >> a very complex operation, thousands of people are still at this hospital. >> negotiations underway to try to secure the reetc. lease of

some 240 hostages. >> i believe it's going to happen. president biden suggesting china's economy hz real problems ahead of his meting with xi jinping today. >> relations are at their lowest point in half a century. >> we want to signal to the american people and our allies that he is engaged with china in a responsible way. a government shutdown likely averted. speaker johnson had to rely heavily on democratic votes to get this over the finish line, and a few fistfights as well. >> i got elbowed in the back ask there was kevin. >> if i hit somebody, they would know i hit them. >> stand your butt up then. >> you stand your butt up. >> we're looking at the impact of a party that is not a functional party. >> this place is a pressure cooker. good morning, everyone. welcome. happening right now, israeli troops are carrying out an operation inside gaza's largest

hospital. a palestinian journalist tells cnn there's been intense gunfire as soldiers search the complex and interrogate young men. just releasing this video claiming to show soldiers delivering aid to the entrance. the red cross says reports coming in from the hospital are very worrying. >> the idf accused hamas of running a command center underneath the hospital and using civilians above as human shields. the israeli military is calling this a precise and targeted operation that is based on intelligence. listen to this doctor from inside the hospital. >> >> thousands of civilians have

been sheltering at the hospital. conditions are grown dire in terms of a lack of food, water or any power. >> this all comes as president biden says a deal to release hostages held in gaza is, quote, going to happen. hamas says the negotiations are focused on releasing 70 women and children in exchange for a five-day pause in fighting. israel pushing for 100 hostages to be released. oren liebermann is live in tel aviv. i want to start on the operation that has been ongoing. what more do we know? what are the updates in terms of where that stands? >> reporter: at this point, the operation inside gaza's largest hospital has been ongoing for some 12 hours starting in the early hours of the morning. the israeli military says it's operating in a specific part of the hospital. take a lock at this map. you get a sense of how the entire hospital complex is. they won't be precise about where they are operating or looking for the intrastructure has been there and hamas has used as a command and control center.

they do say they have evidence of that that they can't release yet, but will release at a later point today. senior military official in a briefing with reporters a short time ago said they trained for a couple weeks for this. a specialized operation that required its own specific training to be able to work and function in a hospital. that includes arabic speak oers to work with the local staff, the doctors, the officials and the civilian. here is video of the idf released a short time ago. this is the idf dropping off incubators and medical supplies to the hospital. we have been able to geolocate it but can't verify what's happening on the ground buzz of the inability to report in gaza. meanwhile, we have known conditions inside the hospital have grown increasingly dire on the the example of the neonatal intensive care unit. a number of babies have dued because they had to be pulled out of incubators and officials have tried to keep them warm with hot water and tinfoil. on the question of what the evidence is hamas was using, at this point, the senior military official wouldn't be anymore

specific. when asked, does it show any within the hospital, the military official refused to answer and that's note worthy because several days ago they put out an illustration of what they claimed are tunnel shafts that are in the hospital. so that's a key question. >> no question about that. i want to ask you about the hostages. there have been an uptick in chatter and then it epds. last night president biden, prime minister benjamin netanyahu having another phone call in which this was a central, if not the priority issue that was discussed. we saw the huge marches in israel. you were marching with the families and supporters. we saw the huge gathering of individuals in washington, d.c. do we know anything about what is going to happen next with these negotiations? >> reporter: right now, it's more hints and reports here and there. nothing that says that a hostage release or exchange will happen, but as you point out, president biden appeared to express

optimism ahamas said the framework is there. 70 hostages for a number of days of a pause in the fighting. so the framework appears to be in place, but whether it's able to get over the line is a key question. the other question right now with the hospital raid going on, does that affect the willingness on either side to go for hostage negotiations. at the same time, israeli radio reporting that they found no evidence of the hostages. so that search is ongoing. at the same time, the defense minister here met with the white house's special coordinator for the middle east. he said the operation would kmcontinue until the hostages we rescued and hamas was defeated. so there appears to be some optimism that a hostage exchange or some sort of deal maybe possible, but if that can get over the line, it's still an open question. >> o'rib lieber medicine live for us, thank you. join ing us now is christiae amanpour. let's begin with that important

question that was just posed. does this operation in this way, while there are still patients there, we told them to evacuate. does that change the hostage negotiations that seem, according to president biden, to be making progress? >> hard to say, if it can happen, great. if it doesn't, who knows. actually, i interviewed mark gregor, benjamin netanyahu's international spokesperson. i asked about what biden said. he said we love it, but we don't see any indication of release mechanism happening right now. on top of that, he said, if there was to be, it's because of the pressure we're putting on hamas. but they have been putting that pressure on hamas since is october th. and since those terrible slaughters in israel. and hostages have not been released except for a small handful. so that's not working. and what i asked him what is

your intelligence information about where are the hostages, where is the main hamas leader, they were hiding in his bunker. so i said where? if you know, why don't you close in on that. there's no answers to any of these questions that they are willing to give. so we're not sure about the strategy. what we do know over here is that it is being seen very grimly by israel's alloys. not only neighbors in jordan, let me read what the king of jordan has said inspect in the name of common humanity, how can such brutal acts be accepted? today's human suffering and global tensions urge us to adhere to the norms of humanity before we all reach a moral breaking point. it's a very pointed message from the king of jordan, who has a deal with israel. in the uk here, a close israeli alloy. there's going to be a charged

debate about a cease-fire. the french president has called on a cease-fire, and they really want to see at least five days, at least some kind like the irc, the refugee organization has called for, some kind of meaningful cease-fire to relieve the unacceptable pressure on civilians in gaza right now. >> i'm so glad you brought up with the king of jordan said. in this "washington post" op-ed, he also says this. israelis cannot continue their lives as usual expecting security solutions alone to ensure their safety, while palestinians live in miz ri and with no political horizon, the future will evade. the question of how does this end in a two-state solution that the united states continues to press for, what is the significance of him writing this? >> it's a huge significance because he's jordan, egypt and other al lice, including russia,

china, the security council.lie china, the security council. this is getting more and more difficult to envision. because the current israeli government is essentially made up of very strong settlers. settlers who are really the driving force at the moment. who have inkrcreased the settlements over the last few years in the occupied west bank. so there are 700,000 or so settlers there, which make it very, very difficult to hang on to the notion of an independent palestinian state in the occupied west bank. but that's still the aim. even though both palestinians and israelis are questioning that entire concept buzz it's failed because it hapt been implemented. neither the united states nor israel, nor any of those around the accords have implemented something that the palestinians

back then agreed to, which was to recognize israel in return for a state. then you had the intervening violence and it went off the bowl. the u.s. administration took its eye on the median until it was forced to put its eye back on. this is the question. what happens next. >> can we turn to a critical meeting today in the united states between president biden and chinese president xi jinping. xi jinping is coming to this country under very different circumstances, more tense between the u.s. and china than his last visit here. you had this great revealing is and telling interview with the commerce secretary who are had just gone to china. she talked about the economic ties between the two that are key to being a balance for the rest of their relationship. i want to play what she told you. >> they have a desire and we have a desire to stabilize the relationship. in my case when i met with my

counterparts, we talked about using the economic relationship as a blns for the rest of the relationship. we have to protect away we must, but trade where we can. it's time to ratchet down the temperature and look to, i think, the world truth think is looking to the the u.s. and china to be responsible in managing this relationship. >> so coming out of this meeting, what is the best possible outcome for the world for global stability? >> the best possible outcome is to lower the temperature. i asked are we going to see a war in taiwan on top of all these other wars we're seeing. i don't think so, and i don't think the chinese want to see that. the best possible deliverable is, in fact, the meeting between the two presidents. they have not had a significant meeting at all in president biden's presidency. so it's very important that they actually meet together and deal with what they can deal with.

the economic is very important. and it's very good she was on our program. because of all the main issues between china and the united states, economy and commerce matters make up a majority of them, which is under her per view. >> that's right. it's a great interview. it's very telling. thank you very much. china's xi jinping is set to meet with president biden in just a few hours. what the white house is hoping to achieve from the summit. that's next. and watch your back. congressman tim burchett accuse ing his former party leader of else boating him in ththe kidne on purpopose. kevin mccarthy says that's not true. buburchett joioins us.

president biden and chinese president xi jinping are expected to meet later today. it comes after months of tension between the two nations. david culver is sttracking it a from san francisco. >> reporter: sharing a sofa and a smile at mar-a-lago. former president trump's grand kids sunging in chinese for a visiting president xi jinping. the plos soming, blossoming of a new friendship and closer ties between the u.s. and china. >> i think long-term we're going

to have a very, very grate great relationship. i look forward to it. >> reporter: not quite how the story played out. in the six years since xi's last visit to the u.s., relations have plummeted to all-time lows. >> they must play by the rules. >> reporter: the issues, where to begin. a bruising trade war, a devastating pandemic, rising tensions in the south china sea, growing threats from beijing over its goal of unify ing with taiwan, and amidst the war this ukraine, an alarmingly cozy xi and putin relationship. china refusing to condemn hamas. president xu's first trip to the u.s. was 1985 as a local official taking in the sights. today he's china's most powerful ruler since mouth demanding near total control of a pop las vegas over 1.4 billion people. he returns to ab increasingly

divided united states, something chinese state media repeatedly highlight in their propaganda. but if there's one topic that consistently unites washington, it's being tough on china, a sentiment bolstered by the downing of a suspected chinese spy balloon earlier this year. >> they are testing us. they are mocking us. they are trying to embarrass us. >> reporter: china has its own issues. after years of record growth, the world's second largest economy is struggling. its housing market is in crisis. youth unemployment record highs. for the first time in 25 years, a deficit in foreign direct investment, international companies increasingly uneasy is putting money into china in part because of beijing's unpredictable crackdowns. the u.s.'s reputation has taken a hit in china fuelled by the anti-west messaging and nationalistic post on social media. ahead of the summit, rising skepticism towards u.s.

intentions. one user posting this is a u.s. delaying tactic, its strategy of containing china won't change but only intensify. another posting, anyone who thinks that china-u.s. relations willnaive. it's just wishful thinking. many supporting the new world order, one that's not led by the u.s. the u.s. now hosting this high-stakes west coast meet up with low expectations on the outcome. no more love seat for the leaders of two superpowers. instead both on a hot seat with the world watching if they can tamp down tensions. and this morning, chinese president xi jinping being portrayed by his country's state media as a warm, heroic welcome here in san francisco. they have been showing the images that we actually were hearing firsthand. yesterday we were reporting here and heard chanting, recorded music blaring from speakers with

chinese songs being broadcast. so he ran over there and captured some of these images. you can see big groups coming together. they have huge chinese flags that happen to be blocking some of the anti-china protesters out there. they were being drawn out by patriotic chinese nationals. we have learned that many of them were bussed in from chinese students being part of u.s. universities. so that's what made upmost of that crowd. it shows you the optics are important for china. >> incredibly as u.s. officials have made clear. david culver, thank you. ahead, coming up, words you probably haven't heard from a former house speaker. >> i did not elbow him. i would not hit him in the kidney. >> the man kevin mccarthy talking about republican congressman tim burchett says otherwise. he joins us live, next, with his side of the story.

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congressman tim burchett. the alleged incident happened tuesday morning outside the conference meeting while talking to a reporter. the report er captured the audi of the aftermath. >> i think it went all right. >> sorry, kevin, didn't -- why did you elbow me in the back, kevin? kevin, you got any guts? jerk. >> the reporter said it right there. what kind of chicken move is that? you're pathetic. you're so pathetic. what a jerk. you need security, kevin. >> mccar denies he elbowed the congressman, but the back and forth between the two continued. >> it was a clean shot to the kidneys. you just don't expect a guy who was a one-time three steps away from the white house to sucker

punch you in the hallway. >> i would hit him in the kidney. i did not shove him. >> tensions are clearly still high in the republican party since his ousting. this happened hours before some positive news. the house passed a bill to avoid a government shutdown. relying on democratic votes. tim burchett of tennessee joins us now for his weekly check in that we have begun to refer to as breakfast with burchett. i'm going to be honest. every week something new seems to pop up before our conversations. this was slightly unexpected. what's going on? >> i don't know. claudia, you can follow her twitter, she actually the tweeted about it. i think it has almost 8 million views on her x account or whatever you want to call it. we're just standing out there after conference, and i always

talk to the press. and she was interview ing me. i fell forward. after kevin popped me in the back, and then he just kept walking with his security detail. really it's just a sad commentary on him and his spiraling leadership. >> you're referring to claudia, the npr reporter. she's on twitter and a great reporter. whatever has happened between you and the speaker, former speaker in part because of you, does it go back to when you thought he was being condescending in a phone call? is there something deeper here? are you at this point with him right now? >> i have no idea. it's a bizarre thing that just happened. i'm sure right after he did it, he rerefgretted it. and i have moved on. i have no vengeance towards him. i prayed for him this morning

because know he's hurting, even though he does have $17 million in his account to play mischief in everybody's campaigns, which he's frequently said he will do. it's just a sad commentary on his life. i'm sorry for him. i really am. i feel sorry for him. >> would you like to see him leave and resign? >> i don't care what he does really. it doesn't matter. the soon he leaves, the sooner he will be making seven figures being a lobbyist. let's be honest. he's not going back to bakersfield. he will be lob big up here and making big money. if he feels like he doesn't have a shot back to the speakership, and i suspect after mike johnson's deal last night, he won't be back. >> you want to ask you about the new speaker and what happened yesterday in a second. but i want to go back to a conversation we had out front of the capitol shortly before kevin mccarthy was ousted. you talked about that phone call

that you thought he was condescending in terms of talking about how you were praying over the vote. i want to play what you said. >> i have a recording of what was said. >> you recorded it? >> it was between us. and the conversation went on in a belittling tone. >> the reason i swing back to that is you haven't given me the recording yet, which is frustrating, and you're more than welcome to, but you clearly had had an idea or had some issues leading into that phone call that made you want to do that. what was that? what made you want to do that? >> obviously, us taking off six weeks prior to the budget, they are saying mike johnson just had two weeks. .kevin mccarthy had since januay and he waited until the last two weeks. we took off august through september, two weeks into september. so six weeks right up to the budget deadline of september

30th. then when i asked him about it in that phone conversation, he said, that's steve scalise's job. he sets the calendar. it was always somebody else. i said to him, do you think nancy pelosi would have said that? heck no, she knew where every paper clip was up here. it just got to the point he was on the news, he was on twitter, he was on everything else, meeting with the superstars and everything, but he needed to be here leading. that's what we need in this country. we need leadership. frankly, he wasn't giving it. i said i was going to pray about it, and i guess he saw it. i'm a born again christian. i'm not apologizing for that, but i'm not out some of my best friends up here are not of the christian faith. and i love them dearly. i'm responsible for my wife and my daughter and myself. and that's it. for him to belittle that to me

that just showed his character. yesterday in the hall was the cherry on top as far as his character. s it's just a sad commentary on him and not on congress, not on the republicans. >> i do want the to ask you before i let you go. the house passed a two-step cr. you are very opposed to crs. you made that clear. tell me why there won't be more crs come january and february. >> i don't know there won't, but mike johnson, i support mike johnson. i just don't support the cr. he had two weeks to cobble something together ask that was as close as he could get. the staggered approach, they are not forcing it down our throats all at once. that will allow us more discussion on the issues. the public will see that instead of just one conglomeration of this massive spending extravaganza we go on every year at taxpayers' expense, and he understands we're $33 trillion in debt.

he also understands the chair of the budget committee, and he said more than once, we need a budget. that's kpktly what liberals and conservatives should ask for. here's what happens. you pass these huge budgets and nobody knows what's in them except the lobbyists and leadership in both parties. they get up there and fight and bruise each other. but the reality is all they see is green. that's why the american public needs a budget. liberals and conservatives, so we know exactly what's in that budget. >> it will certainly be a discussion when you get back from recess. i think everybody needs to go on recess. we always appreciate you in these conversations. again, my inbox is open for that tape if you want to pass it along. we appreciate you, sir. thank you. >> have a great thanksgiving. >> you too. >> i think you're going to get that, mattingly. we'll wait for that tape. republican presidential candidate nikki haley is rising in the polls. now catching backlash over a new

controversial social media proposal. what she said that had her rivals pouncing. a new report advising parents to look beyond report cards to measure their child's progress. what it says about grade inflation, that's next.

you might a parent waking up with your kids getting ready to go to school. you might be getting ready to read your kid's report card. there's new data that suggests traditional letter grade may not be the best pressure of progress in the classroom. athena jones has been tracking all this. >> here's the bottom line of this report that was done with nearly 2,000 parents of k-12 public school students. they found the majority of parents rely on report cards to give them a good sense of their academic progress. but the report cards aren't

telling the full story. part of the reason is b's don't mean what parents think they mean these days. so i want to take a look at some graphics to show you the disparity, the disconnect between them. nearly 80% say their children received b's or better. even 36% of parent who is say they know their child is below grade level say they are getting mostly b's or better. that gives you the first kind of instance of the disconnect. here we see the national report card showing actual academic achievement. you'd think a b and up would mean proficiency, but a third of them were proficient in reading. 36% of 4th graders in math, 26% of 8th graders in math. so you might get a b on the report card, but it doesn't necessarily mean they are proficient. parents need to look deep er.

one more important thick is college readiness. this is another area where perception and reality do not match. 61% of parents are very or extremely confident their child will be well prepared for college. when it comes to actually meeting benchmarks, only 40% of 12th graders were deemed ready for reading and 30% deemed ready in math. so parents need to be asking a lot more questions. >> it seems like grade inflation. and the tools need to change for parents to measure their kids and how they are doing in school. >> they have to ask more questions. they have to have an ongoing relationship with the teacher about how their children are performing on in-class assignments, test, quizzes, homework in addition to the bench mark exams and different subjects that happen throughout the year. a lot more measures than report cards. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. overnight, president biden taking aim at former president trump's comments when he called just a couple days ago. his political rivals vermin. plus name calling,

fistfights and throwing elbows into kidneys, why is capitol hill beginning to look like a jerry springer episode? we'll discuss. stay with us.

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president biden responding to this comment from donald trump calling his political rivals vermin. >> we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections. >> speaking in front of donors last night in california, biden likened trump's comments to language you heard in nazi germany in the '30s and warned his presidential rival will use another term in the white house to exact revenge and retribution. joining us now is former obama campaign manager and white house

deputy chief of staff under president obama, and mark mcken na. thank you for joining us. you want to ask you what i asked during the break. which is the fundraisers you see a joe biden who ha has a sharp political message and willing to attack trump, doesn't avoid it, doesn't only talk about the policy is achievements. there's nothing wrong with that. it's not the same conversation. it's not the same messaging you see from him publicly. do you think that changes at some point? >> absolutely. but right now, the most important thing is he needs to explain to the american public what he's done on the economy, what his vision for the future is and then once there's a nominee of the republican party, you take that fight. right now he has to make the case about what he's done. i think they are doing that and next year it will be time to go right at donald trump. >> he's not worried about

biden's prospects. he has a framed photo in his office of a 2011 headline saying the obama campaign was toast. but my question to you is can you really make that comparison right now? not only was obama decades younger. he was running -- he wasn't running against trump. he wasn't running against some of such a hard to totally figure out exteemly loyal base. >> jim's job is to keep the bedwetters dry. i understand that. there are some historical parallel hads, but the point you're making is a good one. there's some parallels that don't match up at all and the most important one is obama wasn't 80 years old people have life experiences. you can't be a park ranger if you're 66 in america. >> is that the case? >> you would know given where you live. >> and given how old i am. so jim is right too. at the end of the day, it's going to be a choice. it's likely going to be biden. it's likely going to be trump.

when you stack those up, you have a guy who is 91 counts for indictment, so by next summer, we're going to clear away this clutter and the choice is going to be a lot clearer. >> i want to game that out. i think it's important to note people are always saying why are we doing this now? there's a strategy in there that phases to how the campaign is operating based on my conversations with biden folks. i will say they have made a huge investment earlier than i was expecting. walk people through what those phases would be. >> so the very first phase is what you just talked about. it's the economic narrative. he's doing a $25 million buy until the battleground states. talking to swing voters about what he's done. the second phase is making sure it's rock solid. he has historic spending and the latino and young communities to shore up that base to make sure they understand the choice mark

is talking about and what he's actually done and make sure that turnout is going to be. you have the best point. trump has historic turnout both times he ran. it's incumbent on team biden to make sure their base is rock solid. that's what you do in the off year. you can go after trump every day, but that's like sugar c candy. it feels good, but in an hour you have a hangover from it the reason why is you have to have your own message. that's the hard part about politics. it just can't be an anti-trump message. hillary tried that. it did you want work. team biden is the not going to make that mistake again. >> can you come to my house and tell my children about the afterevidents of too much sugar? gave up last night. good thing you're the executive producer of the circus because you can weigh in on what the heck is happening with the republican party on capitol hill. two republicans, but then look what we saw play out with the fistfight almost happened between the labor loader and the

senator. >> they have clawed their way to the bottom. i think mike johnson must be like kevin mccarthy. gave him the keys to the gates of hell. who would want a job in congress right now? it's so dysfunction al. this is a big part for the republican party because they caught the car. we are going to shut down government and on abortion. now it's like they get to a point where they are shutting government down isn't very popular. banning abortion isn't very popular. so all the things, now they have been back benchers for so long is and they have the reigns and it's problematic. >> stay with us. yesterday was so insane. we haven't talked about a republican member of congress who tweeted that one of her male colleagues did not have certain parts of their male anatomy. >> we haven't done that. >> which is dus appointing. >> that's how bad it was. stay with us. we'll bring you back in a second. >> we

reporting that jpmorgan's ceo jamie dimon has been talking to nikki haley several times and he is impressed by her. and idf forces are inside gaza's largest hospital. the latest developments on that ongoing operation. that's ahead. .

welcome back. republican presidential advocate nikki haley drawing praise away tension from one of the most powerful men on wall street. i'm told by a source that jpmorgan's ceo jamie dimon spoke haley several times in the past couple months. he views her as smart, thoughtful and more moderate, someone he thinks could be good for the country. >> this is not an endorsement, but he believes the country needs good policy and he thinks she is smart and holds her in high regard. it doesn't mean jamie dimon is no longer a democrat. he wants what is best for the country. this is another sort of peg in the rise of nikki haley that we've seen in this race so far. look at her gaining in key early

states. a distant second still to trump and a target among her rivals as "new york times" opinion writer put it, she ran campaigns that nobody thought much of until unexpectedly suddenly she was winning them. is that what's happening here? is it real? back with us, jim is nodding his head. i'm sorry, mark is nodding his head and jim is back with us. mark, she just responded to what that source says that jamie dimon said about her saying, look, we had a phone call, talked with about debt, the economy. she said, we'll take it. >> another sign of a long series of good things happening for nikki haley. all three debates you could argue she won. tim scott dropped out. that helps. jamie dimon is back meeting with her. that's a good sign. a lot of things happening for her. i said for a long time she is the last best hope for anybody to take on trump. she just has to run a strong

second, win new hampshire and south carolina that. would be a good string to suddenly trump's base is bleeding. maybe there is trouble here. >> wie like the path -- she is messina's nightmare. >> is that true? >> today, yeah, absolutely. but, look, i think the chance of her being the republican nominee are about the same as mark. like, she trails by 45 points nationally, trails in iowa by 27 points. we forget who she is up against. donald trump. the single best counterpuncher in the history of american politics who hasn't even start today train on her yet. she still has desantis out there taking tons of votes. the anti-trumpers have just been unable to consolidate. everyone's excited because tim scott got out. he was at 2%. give her the whole 2%, she still

trails by 40 point nationally and is still for all the radical abortion things that the republican party is doing right now. she is having a boom moment, a moment that has been happening for a long time, very rational people want her to be the nominee. but the republican party is not rational right now and they are motivation driven and motivation driven for donald trump. >> could i ask you, back to this reporting on jamie dimon, you know, he has also said my heart is democratic but my brain is kind of republican. but this is a democrat who thinks that this is someone who could unite the country, be good for the country, and when i go home to minnesota i hear it from a lot of folks who have not voted for a republican before. and i get the primary issue is the key issue. it's a through line i am hearing from a lot of normal folks. i wonder what your thoughts are on that. is this real in that respect? >> sure. i mean, i think that people -- i think this is very much a sort of center right country and they are looking for somebody who is

more of of a radical center, something the republican party has become. the problem for republican, there are huge opportunities and they are failing to rise to the challenge and clawing to the way at the bottom in congress and showing they can't govern. >> do you view nikki haley as a radical centrist? >> no, i think her party has taken her far to the right. >> her message on abortion, i understand the policy, but the message, which she said a couple of times and did it again at the debate, does that -- if you're a democrat and watching that message, not the glenn youngkin message, not the tim scott message in iowa, is that problematic? >> no, americans keep saying stop taking away our freedoms. she wants to message it differently, great. it's better than the other messages. in the end, that's not where people are. they want republicans to stop taking away their freedoms on the right to choose. until they stop doing it, no

messaging is going to fix that. >> final you thought? we had governor pritzker on the other day. he took issue with me saying that's not how nikki haley messages on abortion. >> i will just say that we had james carville on our show on sunday. he said that the era of strategic certainty is over. whatever is going to happen is going to surprise the hell out of us. >> i like that quote. >> do you think it's the economy? >> thank you. very much. "cnn this morning" continues right now. we have this news. the israeli military is launching on operation as we speak inside of gaza's largest hospital where thousands of civilians have been shelg as president biden says he believes a deal with hamas to release hostages is going to happen. >> a face-to-face meeting between the world's most powerful rival