i'm happy to say the georgia b bulldogs, i'm not happy about that. i'm ambivalent. >> maybe you should read your copy first. >> this is a trap. >> georgia obviously crushing ole miss this weekend. that means that ohio state swhih i deeply care about drops to 2. michigan, they have having a great time right now, real victim complex, number three. michigan and ohio state, saturday after thanksgiving. i will be unreachable during that period of time. can i just say after a bunch of white dudes covered themselves in glory on capitol hill yesterday, i really appreciate -- >> what st. paul is doing? >> very much. give women some power, see what happens. >> i'm just saying, perhaps, based on anecdotal evidence, one day on capitol hill, not a terrible idea. >> because of that, i'm going to root for ohio for you. >> ohio state. >> i'll watch the game. >> i'm sorry, ohio state. thanks for joining us. see you here tomorrow.

cnn news central is up now. new reporting and new pictures just in as israeli troops raid gaza's largest hospital. the idf calls it a precise and targeted operation against hamas as the search for hostages intensifies. >> an elbow to the kidneys, a challenge to a fistfight and a smurf insult. no, it's not middle school. it's congress. they did manage to do some work, however, passing a major hurdle to avoid ago going a government shutdown. president biden and chinese president xi jinping, face-to-face today, the first time they have talked in a year, and so much has happened since then. what the hopes are will come of this. i'm sarri a sidner this is "cnn

news central." >> at this moment, we're waiting to get more information on the israeli operation in and around the al shifa hospital in northern gaza. you can see where it is right there. israeli forces are inside in what the idf is calling a precise and targeted operation against hamas. i can show you a map of the hospital compound here. it's not just one building. it's several buildings. now, israeli tanks and army vehicles are said now to be on the ground. we've seen video of that. there are said to be patients and staff, hundreds still inside the buildings, and in addition to that, thousands of people are sheltering in these different areas you can see right there. doctors say israeli troops are questioning and searching people inside. we have new video from inside the hospital itself where you can see some of the damage said to have taken place after the israeli troops entered.

now, the idf has released this video which shows its troops delivering medical supplies, food. they say they're delivering incubators because we have seen pictures of babies in the hospital over the last several days. it's crucial to note that israel and the united states say there's a hamas command center underneath the hospital and uses the people inside the hospital as human shields. now, remember, the geneva conventions say that civilian hospitals are entitled to protection, but they lose that protection, they say, under no circumstances can they be used for non-medical purposes. what does that mean? well, that includes things like sheltering, able-bodied combatants, stores arm and munitions, a shield for military action. that's a situation that's taking

place. we're waiting to get visibility on what's happening here. cnn's oren liebermann is tracking all of this from tel aviv. what's the latest. >> reporter: the operation on the ground on the part of the military in al shifa hospital has been going on for 14 or 15 hours. it started early this morning, and we have been tracking it since. israel says they're operating in a very specific part of the hospital, but if you'll show that map once again, you can see the size of the complex, and they haven't been any more precise or specific about where the operation is happening, simply saying it's away from the hundreds of patients who are there, the doctors, the staff and civilians who are seeking shelter there. the patients inside increasingly dire conditions they have been facing over the course of the past several days. several basic in the kneneo intensive care, in an attempt to get the babies evacuated from the hospital but the director of

the hospital says they're in grave danger and warns that it may be impossible to evacuate them giving the fighting on the street. with that picture of how dangerous the situation is and how dire the condition is inside, as they have run out of fuel, water, electricity, here's a look at one of those inside the hospital. listen to this. >> we didn't know what's happening. within the hospital. continuous. again, it's a scarey situation. >> what are these sounds, doctor? i'm hearing sounds. >> it's continuous shooting from the tanks. >> reporter: now, the idf says there are no tanks inside the complex of the hospital, though we have certainly seen videos that they're pretty much on every side of the hospital. they say there have been no shootings or fire fights inside

the complex of the hospital. we'll check that against the reports we have heard. they say they have evidence that hamas used the hospital itself as they have claimed for a long time now as terror infrastructure, but they haven't released it yet, nor have they given us a description of what that is. just a few moments ago, poppy harlow and phil mattingly asked the idf international spokesperson on what they found and what they released. i want to read a short statement. we understand there is a substantial hamas infrastructure in the area, in the vicinity of the hospital, potentially under the hospital, and it's something we're working on. it will take us time. the fact that he says potentially now raises serious questions about what the idf knew in advance and what they thought they knew. they have long claimed there is hamas infrastructure under the hospital itself, going so far as to release a digital video graphic several days or weeks ago showing hamas tunnels underneath the hospital. if that is a potential, that's a serious question the idf has to answer, as we wait for them to

release evidence showing hamas used the hospital. >> they have been talking about the al shifa hospital for years, and specifically since the october 7th terror attacks, israel has made clear that this site is one of the areas they wanted to get into. keep us posted as to what they hear. oren liebermann, thank you. 14 hours into the raid at al shifa hospital, the world health organization has lost touch with the staff insides hospital. the red cross says reports coming from inside are extremely worrying but doctors are continuing their work. some of them after suffering unimaginable losses themselves. you're taking a look of some video. this doctor here, he's been forced to bring both of his sons to the hospital with them after their mother was killed while he was working in the intensive care unit. we also know there are three dozen newborns inside the hospital. egyptian officials are working to get them out. some babies have died this week because of the power outages and lack of medical supplies.

cnn's na da beshear is inside. can you give us efforts underway to save patients, including 36 babies, no one can get the image of their head from the nicu? >> reporter: we have been hearing from doctors and medical officials both inside the al shifa hospital and across gaza who have described the situation around the hospital as being extremely challenging and, of course, life threatening when it comes to any proposal, any suggestion of patient, and medical staff as well as other civilians sheltering at the complex to evacuate southwards as per the orders of the idf. as we know there have been calls for evacuations. the israeli military says it has established a safe evacuation, rather allowed for a safe evacuation, from the eastern side of the hospital. but as we know, the hospital has been nearly entire encircled by tanks and fighting on the ground by the idf and hamas as well,

with continuous strikes moving closer to the area, in some areas striking the hospital according to doctors on the ground. the idea that hundreds of patients, around 700 according to officials there can be evacuated in a secure matter has raised alarm bells among doctors and international humanitarian groups. we have been hearing from doctors without borders from the world health organization, always concern around the situation outside of the hospital. many have been unable to reach their teams on the ground. we have heard reports of live fire going on around the al shifa hospital. one doctor speaking to cnn in the early hours of the morning saying that some parts of the building had been targeted by life fire. as you can imagine, until there are those clear guarantees of a way, a safe way to evacuate these hundreds of patients. many doctors are reluctant, they say they'll stand beside patients to continue to provide the urgent care. it's not just about the safety and security outside on the military front.

of course many of these patients require specialist medical evacuations just like those premature and newborn babies, who require incubators. they require specialist care, when it comes to making the journey from northern to southern gaza. as we have seen, some people have died on the route. many people have traveled injured, pushing relatives in wheelchairs and hospital beds, along the distant to southern gaza. as we know, the situation in southern gaza isn't a guarantee of safety. we have heard from the humanitarian chief describing the situation across the gaza strip as being insecure. we have seen air strikes continuing across southern gaza, and for many patients who are being told that they need to evacuate southwards, for them it feels like there is no hope of finding safety in southern gaza. the hospitals across the gaza strip are overrun, and as we know, only one hospital in northern gaza left operational. >> we are looking at disturbing pictures from tuesday at just

how overrun the hospitals actually are. thank you so much for your reporting will out of jerusalem. kate. joining us now for more, foreign policy reporter with axios. the goal of the specific operation at al shifa, we have heard that, and ever since this operation got underway yesterday, what are you now hearing more than 12 hours in? are you getting a better sense of the goal, the mission, the target? >> hi, good morning, kate. yes, again, i think i have a better understanding. i'm not sure what i know is all the details. i'm not sure they are telling us everything they really know about what's going on right now at the hospital. but the senior israeli official told me like an hour ago that the goal of this operation, the raid into the al shifa hospital was not to try and rescue hostages. they were not looking for

hostages. they were looking for a, according to this israeli official, they were looking for a tunnel hub in one of the buildings inside the compound of the hospital that according to this israeli official, those tunnels led to different other parts of the gaza strip, and were used by hamas to move weapons, to move operatives. this is what they're working on. >> kind of like a central transportation hub underneath the hospital. because we know one of the main goals is to take out the tunnel system. so that's what they're pointing to, like this is a central point of transport that they believe they're looking for under the hospital? >> yes, again, that's what they claim. we don't have any way to, you know, confirm it other than what the israelis are saying. but, i think it coincides with what we heard yesterday from the white house on the record when john kirby from the national security council said that the

u.s. has its own independent intelligence, that hamas is using al shifa hospital as a command and control center, and maybe the two things connect. >> that's what i was going to ask you. timing. there's often not a lot of coincidence in timing when we see things like this, and i wanted to get a sense of if you heard from the administration or from the israeli side of when kirby coming out to say, we have heard him suggest this before, but to say yesterday that intel suggests that hamas has a command center in or under al shifa, that was something. in addition to are you getting the sense those two things are connected? >> so i asked several biden administration officials, and they all denied that kirby said what he said because the u.s. knew that something was going to happen, and it was sort of like putting forward this alibi or s

thing. they totally deny that. but what i do hear from both israeli and u.s. officials is that the fact that the u.s. supports the israeli position on hamas using al shifa hospital and by the administration, the white house said this on the record yesterday, no doubt helps israel in justifying its military action there. >> because the other side of this coin, if you will, and i wanted to ask you is do you sense that israeli -- from israeli official sources that they understand what a focal point al shifa has become in terms of global public opinion, and does that impact their decision making? >> i'm not sure. i think we passed that point. i think, you know, they're trying to reach hamas leadership. they think that would help them in reaching hamas leadership.

and by the way, if, indeed, they will find under the hospital a hamas command and control center, then i'm sure it will help them to buy more time for their ground operation in gaza because then they will say, see, told you so. if they're not going to find anything, then the israeli military is going to be in a very big problem explaining why it raided the hospital. >> to that point oren liebermann, flagged us, one of the spokespersons for the idf hack, he was on cnn this morning and asked about it. i want to read his wording in responding to this. we understand, he says, there's a substantial hamas infrastructure in the area, in the vicinity of the hospital, potentially under the hospital. it's something we are working on. from your long experience with speaking with the idf and knowing, you know, how they communicate, does that sound like they're kocouching now? does that suggest at all to you

that they are concerned the intel they had going in isn't what they're finding while they're in? >> well, i don't know. what i can tell you is that yesterday, last night, another idf spokesperson, peter learner told cnn that one of the reasons for the raid is a rescue of hostages, and this morning we learned that this is not the reason. so i think there's sort of a developing aversion there, but at the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding. if the idf will be able to present today, tomorrow, in the coming days, real evidence that hamas operated under hospital, then i think it will be clear to a lot of people around the world that this raid was justified. if not the israeli government, and the israeli military will be a huge problem, not only about this raid, but about the other stages of this operation. >> great point. always great to see you.

thank you for coming in, barack. john. kidney punches, name calling and threats of violence, just as the founding fathers intended, so who has hit whom on capitol hill so far today? a high stakes summit, new reporting on u.s. plans to both confront and calm tensions with china.

the house has spoken and it's up to the senate to keep the government open and avoid a shutdown. the house passed a short-term bill yesterday. as this was happening, the strain and stress of it all, it seems, to be showing. and leading to a true boiling point for some on capitol hill. alleged kidney shots, lawmakers cursing and calling each other names in one committee hearing and a senator challenging a witness at another committee hearing to a fight. cnn's lauren fox is on capitol hill with the very latest. lauren, you add all of this up,

you wonder what it shows, but as john was asking just before we went to break, the sad statement is, you could ask the question, has anyone hit anybody on capitol hill today, and it's like a sad joke, but it's a real question. >> reporter: yeah, it's a relief so far up here on capitol hill. but, yeah, yesterday was really chaotic, kate, and that's because the day kind of started after the republican congress to discuss the spending bill. tim burchett, who is a republican from tennessee. he talks to the press a lot. he says he was talking to a reporter, and former house speaker kevin mccarthy came up behind him and elbowed him in what he described as a shot to the kidneys. later in the day, kevin mccarthy ga gaggled with reporters, denied this happened. said if he had meant to hurt someone, they would know about it. burchett said there was a reporter there who witnessed him

lunge forward, and here's what burchett said on our air this morning. >> just standing out there after conference, and i always talk to the press, and she was interviewing me, and you know, i fell forward after kevin popped me in the back, and, you know, and then he just kept walking with his security detail. really, it's just a sad commentary on him and his spiraling out of leadership. i've moved on. i've got no vengeance towards him. i prayed for him this morning, as a matter of fact, because i know he's hurting. >> reporter: but, kate, that wasn't the only thing we saw yesterday. then in a hearing in the senate in the help committee, you had mullen, a republican from oklahoma, a sitting united states senator who challenged one of the witnesses to a fight. now, there's a little bit of a

back story with the witness criticizing mullen on what is now known as x, but mullen stood up and essentially said should we fight now, and the witness said, you know, they could go now. then you had bernie sanders, who's the chairman of that committee having to interject and say, hey, you are a sitting united states senator. this is not the time or place for this. but obviously a lot happening up here on capitol hill. and i should note that the house has been in session for ten weeks, kate. clearly it is time for members to go home for thanksgiving. kate. >> yeah, i've also been working for ten weeks, i think it's time for a break for me. good to see you, lauren, working ten weeks. you work like 360 weeks a work. so thank you. >> congress, they call it a recess, in my house, they call it a time-out. all right. with us now, cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief for the boston globe, the paper of record. jackie, we'll get to the votes

in a second, but what did we just learn about the current atmosphere on capitol hill? >> you know, it's a real charles sumner energy up there right now. really, lauren said it, everyone is pretty done with each other, and there is this on animosity. it hasn't been dealt with. the republican party is caught in this loop of in-fighting. will time and space help them? that remains to be seen. on the other end of this, there's a spending fight in the middle of january and going to groundhog day, seriously, february 2nd. so they may have pushed this off past the holidays, and maybe some turkey will do them some good, but the fractures still remain, the problems still remain, and they still got to keep the government funded going into next year. >> so you talked about the actual vote they cast yesterday, in addition to the kidney

punches and the smurf calling and things like that. they voted, the house basically pushed off the idea of a government shutdown, voted to until january and february, but there were more democrats who voted for this bill than republicans. how is that not embarrassing to this new speaker? >> this new speaker did exactly what kevin mccarthy did when he was able to lift the debt ceiling. he banded with democrats to make that happen. johnson has a lot more trust of the conservative wing of the party, so his job is fine, but it seems like he is using the time. this has been a learning on the job for him. the conservative members that ousted mccarthy are willing to give him a chance, but the honeymoon is over. going into the next year, you can expect the fights to continue and the presidential race and their own elections are getting closer and closer. so if you want to show that you can govern and get stuff done,

they've got a big challenge going into 2024 to get that, you know, all the families as they used to talk about them during kevin mccarthy's tenure together, singing from the same hymnal. >> no shut down under the tree for christmas. we could be seeing one in january, february, is there any sign that they'll get around that? >> i've learned with this congress not to make predictions. there's a standard. they have empowered this democratic minority. there isn't going to be, that we know of, the ratio is not going to change. the ability to work with democrats is not something that speaker johnson is going to be advertising, but that's how they're managing to keep the government funded at this point. and it doesn't seem like that's going to end up changing going into the new year. >> we will see where they vote and if they can keep their hands to their selves, jackie, thank

you very much for being with us. >> a good lesson, keep your hands to yourself. a critical summit, president biden and president xi will meet face to face for the first time in a year. we'll go live to san francisco ahead of their sit-down. and fbi director christopher wray is testifying on capitol hill this morning in just a bit. what he is saying about the israeli-hamas war, and what it means for the u.s. and potential terror threaeats, that's's ahea.

all right. we are going to go live now to

the committee that is looking at threats to the homeland. we have fbi director christopher wray talking about that, and some of the first things he mentioned were the israel-hamas war, and the impact it may have here, the threat it may cause here. let's listen in. >> it's been more than five weeks since hamas terrorists carried out their brutal attacks against innocent israelis, dozens of american citizens, and others from around the world. and our collective efforts remain on supporting our partners overseas and seeking the safe return of the hostages. but this hearing, while focused on threats to our homeland is well timed given the dangerous situations, the fluid situation in the middle east has for our homeland security. in a year where the terrorism threat was already elevated, the ongoing war in the middle east has raised the threat of an attack against americans in the

united states to a whole other level. since october 7th, we have seen a rogues gallery of foreign terrorist organizations call for attacks against americans and our allies. hezbollah expressed its support and praise for hamas and threatened to attack u.s. interests in the middle east. al qaeda issued its most specific call to attack the united states in the past five years. al qaeda and the reagan peninsula called on jihadists to attack americans and jewish people everywhere. isis urged its followers to target jewish communities in the united states and europe. given those calls for action, our most immediate concern is that individuals or small groups will draw twisted inspiration from the events in the middle east to carry out attacks here at home. that includes home grown violent extremists inspired by a foreign terrorist organization and

domestic violent extremists targeting jewish americans or other faith communities like muslim americans. across the country, the fbi has been aggressively countering violent by extremists citing the ongoing conflict as inspiration. in houston we arrested a guy studying bomb making and posted about killing jewish people. outside chicago we've got a federal hate crime investigation into the killing of a 6-year-old muslim boy. at cornell university, we arrested a man who threatened to kill members of that university's jewish community. and in los angeles, we arrested a man for threatening the ceo and other members of the antidefamation league. and i could go on. on top of the so-called lone actor threat, we cannot and do not discount the possibility that hamas or another foreign terrorist organization may exploit the current conflict to conduct attacks here on our own soil. we have kept our sights on hamas

and have multiple investigations into individuals affiliated with that foreign terrorist organization. and while historically, our hamas cases have identified individuals here who are facilitating and financing terrorism overseas, we continue to scrutinize our intelligence to assess how that threat may be evolving. but it's not just hamas. as i highlighted for this committee and my testimony last year, iran, the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism has directly or by hiring criminals mounted assassination attempts against dissidents and high ranking current and former u.s. officials include right here on american soil. or take hezbollah, iran's primary strategic partner which has a history of raising money and seeking to obtain weapons here in the united states. fbi arrests in recent years also indicate that hezbollah has

tried to sede the operatives, establish infrastructure and engage in spying here domestically, raising our concern that they may be contingency planning for future operations in the united states. and while we are not currently tracking a specific plot, given that disturbing history, we are keeping a close eye on what impact recent events may have on those terrorist groups' intentions here in the united states, and how those intentions might evolve. now, i want to be clear, while this is certainly a time for heightened vigilance, it is by no means a time for panic. americans should continue to be alert and careful, but they shouldn't stop going about their daily lives. all across the country, the fbi's men and women are working with urgency and purpose to confront the elevated threat. that means working closely with our federal, state and local partners on our fbi-led joint

terrorism task forces, taking an even closer look at existing investigations, canvass sources to increase awareness across the board, and doing all we can, working with our partners to protect houses of worship here in the u.s. >> you are listening to fbi director christopher wray on capitol hill talking about homeland security and really going very hard on the idea that this fight between israel and hamas and hamas in particular is heightening some of the threats to the united states, the terror threats to the united states, which he said were already heightened. he mentioned that al qaeda has made its most specific call in recent times to attack the united states and jewish people. he talked about several of the arrests over the past six months or so that have happened and over the past several weeks since the israeli-hamas war began, where already heightened attacks against, potential attacks against jewish organizations like the adl or the 6-year-old muslim boy who

was killed, talking about the fact that this war is heightening, dangerous to america itself and the homeland. we will have more on that in a bit. we also want to tell you about the fact that president biden is going to be meeting, an extraordinary meeting because it hasn't happened in a whole year, with the president of china, xi jinping. that is going to happen on our west coast in just a bit here. we will also bring you that live when it happens.

president biden and china's president xi jinping face to face today on the sidelines of a summit in california, the stakes, just like the global tension right now, extremely high. this is the first time the leaders are talking in a year. big issues to hit on, of course, but the overall goal appears to

be somewhat limited, special just reopening communication again. joining us now, white house and national security correspondent for the "new york times," david sanger, and the director of the china power project at the center for strategic and international studies, bonnie lynn, thanks for coming in. the goal, just to keep these two sides talking, i don't think people are wrong to hear that and think that's the expectation, it's that limited? i mean, what does that say? >> i think the biden administration is trying to lower expectations prior to going into these meetings because they weren't sure exactly what could be chaachiev but i think we're hearing we probably will see a couple of positive outcomes. this morning, i think we have been hearing news that of the potential outcome on agreement on climate change. we're likely to see a resumption of military-to-military ties. there also may be progress on the chinese willingness to curb down on precursors that are

supporting the trade in fentanyl. i think we might see more, but the administration has been trying to keep expectations low. >> look, david, you have been covering u.s.-china talks for a few decades now. how is this time different? >> well, first, thanks for the reminder, kate. >> it's a compliment. it is a compliment. >> it has been a little while. and you know, what really strikes me is when you think back about the meetings between chinese and american leaders that had real substantiative elements to them, president obama meeting with his chinese counter part in 2009, and basically setting up a way that the two countries were organizing their economic activity to pull the world out of what was at the moment a really really scary recession. work together on north korea, where the chinese were actually

the host of the year's long talks about north korea's nuclear program. work together on iran, where the chinese joined the americans in containing the iranian program. so while the list that bonny gave you was absolutely right, and i think we'll hear about those, and an interesting one on artificial intelligence and keeping it away from command and control of nuclear weapons, the opportunities here are pretty limited. the chinese had made a commitment before on fentanyl in 2021 and didn't stick with it. we have had various moments where they have turned on and off military communications, yet when the balloon incident happened back at the beginning of the year, no one answered the phone, and so that led to a lot of detentions there. so the question is how many of these are for sort of show and which ones stick?

even the environmental agreement that they reached with john kerry, the special envoy on climate issues does not include a commitment of any kind to cut back on their coal burning plants. >> and, bonny, i wanted to ask you about what biden told donors at a campaign fundraiser yesterday, the day before this big meeting, telling donors in this closed-door meeting that china's got real problems. it's not the first time biden has used off camera situations like fundraisers to kind of knock at xi and china. why do you think biden is saying this? what do you think it does? >> well, i think president biden is in some ways reflecting the reality that we are seeing in china, which is china does have tremendous economic issues. i think one of the witness that president xi jinping is interested in coming to the united states now in addition to the optics of better managing

u.s.-china relations by meeting president biden, i think he's probably also hoping that during the ceo dinner that he will have with a number of american business leaders that he will be able to convince them to invest more in china. we know that china has seen declining foreign investment, and with the economic problems that china's facing at home, it will be important for the chinese leader to be able to go back to china and say, hey, this meeting not only helped project a more powerful china on the international stage but now we are going to see more investment, including from u.s. corporations into china. >> and speaking about the chinese economy, david, real quick, is a slow growing china more or less dangerous in terms of competition to america? >> great question, kate, because there have been some who have asked the question, you know, if china's growing quickly, then it's got a lot to lose from a conflict, say, over taiwan

because it doesn't want to slow down the growth. if it's growing slowly, the administration is hoping they've got even more leverage and more time because china couldn't risk the sanctions. but these are very hard to predict because countries sometimes do things that are not in their immediate economic interests. think russia invading ukraine, right, and the hope here is if anything, the economic slowdown will make xi jinping think twice about any military adventurism. >> it's great to have you guys in. thank you so much for coming in, bonny, thank you so much, old man sanger, it's great to see you. >> thanks, kate. >> david looks spry after all of that time. prosecutors want a gag order up held against former president trump in the federal election subversion case after trump slammed the wife and family of special counsel jack smith at a campaign rally. if we are grocery outlet

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federal election subversion case are urging a d.c. appeals court to uphold a gag order against the former president at the same time because there are so many cases, fulton county prosecutors are asking a judge there to seal discovery materials in the georgia election subversion case against donald trump. today's emergency hearing comes after video depositions from some of trump's former co-defendants were leaked. all four of them, all four you see on the screen have taken plea deals. joining me to discuss this is former watergate prosecutor nick akerman and also former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. you look at some of what came out and it's riveting to the public because it is information that is normally kept secret until it comes out in trial. who benefits from this? >> the person who benefits the most from all of this is donald trump. >> why? >> it threatens these witnesses. it puts out the fact that they -- three of these four witnesses have direct information on donald trump that

is highly incriminating and is going to be part of what is likely to be a guilty verdict in the georgia rico case. so you've got these people out there, these wild, wacko maga crazies that will take this upon themselves to try and do something. that is what the concern is. you've had this happen in cincinnati after the search warrant that was executed in donald trump'ses estate and so guy goes after to try to kill an fbi agent? this is extremely dangerous. >> can i ask you about the protection? does georgia have witness protection? >> first of all, it's very expensive. mitt romney has to spend $5,000 a day just on his own personal protection. i had at one time five witnesses in the federal witness protection program. this is a pretty, you know, all

24-hour type of job, seven days a week to protect people. look at what happened to cassidy hutchinson after she testified before the january 6th commity. >> it's madness that we are going through this in this country. it's their civic duty and they're doing what they're supposed to do by law and yet they're being threatened. i want to ask you. you've had a personal experience with this. you were on a case that had to do with the mob. what happened to you? >> i basically wound up prosecuting two of the more visible mob bosses in the country. russell buffalino that was played by joe pesci and alfonso piero played in the godfather. threats to prosecutors have to be taken seriously and there is a big difference between the mafia now and donald trump who is really kind of the boss of his organization which is charged in that rico case.

at least mafia the fbi made it clear, if you go after any of our agents and all of our prosecutors you're going to have problem, but that's not the case. >> you had to try to evade them yourself and it's terrifying as a prosecutor and certainly as a witness not used to going through this. thank you very much, nick akerman, that was very interesting. i appreciate you coming on. >> john? >> new reporting on what israel is calling concrete evidence of hamas' terror presence inside gaza's biggest hospital.

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