grounds by interrupting the signal. it goes into a lost link procedure triggering a return to the operator. >> flies over a sporting event because they literally want to get the bird's eye view of that activity, maybe be putting the people on the ground in harmful situation. >> reporter: the faa bans drones within three miles of baseball, football and nascar stadiums the agency says most drone operators are law abiding. but it only takes one. >> you purchased an aircraft, so safety is pair mount. >> reporter: the faa said drones are spotted near airports. many are them about to go on sale for black friday. the tsa say those who get them as gifts must know the rules or face a $30,000 fine. pamela. >> peter, thank you so much.

i'm pamela brown in situation room, i'll be back here tomorrow. erin burnett outfront starts right now. up next, fed up. families of hostages asking about their loved ones. not answer. the father of two girls being held right now by hamas will tell a story and the israeli government official responds here tonight. as trump's gag order is about to reinstate? plus the biggest name in artificial intelligence fired by his company and then hired by a rival. good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight. demanding answers. the families of hostages are demanding answers from prime

minister netanyahu. we're told more than 100 family members met with the prime minister today with hours. they went in saying this. >> translator: i demand their commitment that everyone is returning home. all the hostages. we must get answers. >> translator: we have big concrete questions that we expect them to answer. >> the prime minister came out of that meeting said returning hostages was a sacred and supreme mission, but the hostage families came out without those an answers. hostage now for 45 days. the meeting comes as president biden tonight says he does believe a deal to release some hostages is near. that include a four to five-day pause in fighting for the rehe of dozens of hostages. even if there's deal, israel

faces mounting questions about its focus on the al shifa hospital in gaza and the strikes there. a hospital that doubles as a command center for hamas, hamas denies these allegations. israel has been releasing videos and inviting cnn to tour an underground tunnel. israel has releasing cctv video, they say this shows hamas fighters bring ing hostages int the hospital as the same day of the terror attacks to bolster the claims that the hospital was used for hostages themselves. israel has not shown evidence of the extensive, well-lit comfortable network that hamas uses under the hospital. the bunkers hamas is now accused of using underneath the hospital was initially built by israel itself. >> many decades ago, we helped

them to build these bunkers in order to enable more space for the operation of the hospital within the very limited side of this compound. >> the compound is 12-acre compound. much more on this coming up. but first, our coverage begins with nic robertson. nic, what's the latest you're hearing about a deal to release some of these hostages? >> reporter: -- >> all right, it sounds like nic isn't able to hear me. >> reporter: as you know, communications go down here a lot. listen, this is what we're hearing from the families tonight, disappointment, they went in wanting to hear

something new, they didn't hear something new, what they really wanted to hear most of all was that the prime minister and his war cabinet would put the hostages above a priority above all else, they didn't know that, prime minister netanyahu said the hostages are on the same priority as defeating hamas and the way things play out on the battlefield it can look like actually getting after hamas really takes precedent over the hostages. but for the families, this was not something that for them shifted the ball forward in any way, so perhaps it makes that disappointment stronger, hostage families we've been talking to over recent weeks say they are concerned that this drip, drip, offer of hostages, perhaps women and children, but they point out one important thing in the negotiation and that hamas, look, this is not a state actor,

this is not an ngo, not something that you can deal with, a group that will deal with you rationally, they recognize as the government tries to intermediaries to get some workable solution with hamas that they're really dealing with an organization that doesn't care and only has its own interests in sight which is its own survival, i think the other takeaway here, you know the parameters of this that are being laid out, that we're hearing from officials in the united states, and the qataris as well, these parameters are speaking about the four to five-day pause in fighting, cease-fire, the release of about 50 hostages, well, this is the complete opposite of what the israeli government is setting out to achieve here, they've said a complete cease-fire for all the hostages, the one thing they don't want is to allow hamas to put the fighting on pause for a while so that hamas

can regroup in the field and then just drip, drip, drip out more hostages as things roll forward, that's how hamas wants to play this and that's why israeli government has been releasing this tactic all along. >> thank you. the families of the hostages meeting with israeli prime minister netanyahu and his war cabinet today, he was in that meeting, his wife and two little girls who will turn 3 and 5 in january, i visited him at his home in israel and he showed us some of his daughters' favorite toys and their little pink shoes. it has been 45 days since he's seen daughters and his wife. he's back with me now. as you wait and wait, i know you met with the war cabinet, you met with the prime minister netanyahu today, what did they tell you about your wife and

daughters? >> hello, erin. thank you for having me. it was a meeting with one more -- almost hundred people, because it was one representative of each family, so it wasn't my personal meeting, and i think that what was said there was basically that the military's position is better than it used to be before three weeks ago and the situation as far as intelligence is better, but unfortunate ly i get out from this conversation i can't tell you that i have any concrete news or information re

regarding my personal family and i can only -- like i told you many times before -- i can only hope and pray even after this meeting and it's very hard. this is not an easy situation. the families combined in the same room. very difficult. >> yoni, we have heard before a deal to release the hostages is close, i know this time we've been hearing it's very close, there's been at lot of reporting about a possible deal, did they say that they think it's for real this time? >> well, the subject of whether we have a deal on the table or not, is not even spoken. so nothing about a deal or a deal that can be existed -- >> yoni, i'm going to be

speaking to senior counsel to the prime minister, anything else you want him to know. >> without the return of the hostages there's no winning in this war. without the return of the hostages there can be no -- there can't be a future that is based on the trust between public, the people, and the government and i'm sure that they know it. they know. that without the return of the hostages there's no future for this country. >> yoni, in terms of the hostages' release, he's speaking out, he said he supports freeing

the person in a swap for the hostages. now is the time to return them. you're a father to those two precious girls, how do you respond to that father? >> this is devastating thoughts. devastating decisions that people need to say and think, this father is a great man, that's all i can say. the pain is so big, but he's realizing what kind of situation are we. and like i said, i think if there was a deal, if there was a real deal on the table, that i know of, i can only hope and pray that what's reported on the media is correct. >> yoni, thank you very much.

>> thank you, erin. outfront now the senior adviser to the israeli prime minister netanyahu. i appreciate your time. you just heard yoni asher, over six weeks since he's seen his wife and little girls. he say there's no future of israel without the return of the hoings and he says that the people of israel won't trust the israeli government if the hostages aren't return, what do you say to him? >> first of all, we have to -- we have to hug him and support him, one can only imagine the pain he's going through having his wife and children kidnapped. i can't think any worse that could happen to someone especially knowing who has done the kidnapping, this brutal terrorist organization that

committed the most gruesome v violence against israeli citizens. one has to feel for this man. support him. >> in terms of the hostages themselves, president biden said he believes a deal is close to release some of them, children among them, percnn reporting th negotiators have working on a deal that would involve a four to five-day pause in fighting. i understand you can't share details. but can you say if you are close to a real deal now? >> so, i don't know the answer to that question. because it's not done until it's done. and being close doesn't help you. you need to get the hostages out. and i can only say the following, erin, we will agree

and we'll only agree to a temporary cease-fire in gaza for the release of our hostages. if hamas as we said is hurting and hurting badly i think that increases our chances of getting people out. >> mark, i want to ask you something, and it involves showing viewers that i described on this show but we haven't aired it on cnn until now, i'm airing it for your response, it's an animated video that was released by the idf of what israel shows hamas' operations in gaza underneath the al shifa hospital, in it you see lit tunnels, armed fighters, a meeting room possibly for hamas, there's a rug in there, chairs, a flag, this animation was released three weeks ago. so far, mark, it doesn't match the actual videos that israel has released that look like this one a video of what israel has

put out, underground hamas tunnel shaft deep below ground. until it reaches a closed door. it's a tunnel for sure that we can see. but it doesn't match your animation at this point. are there videos coming that will support the allegations that israel has made in this animation? >> in a word, erin, yes, we'll be providing more and more information, i hope we can actually have a cnn crew go down into the tunnel network but we've got to be cautious, we're concerned about boobytraps and we're concerned for the lives of our soldiers and we have to do this slowly and judiciously, we have no doubt whatsoever about the sub trayian network of tunnels, it's matter of time. we'll be releasing every day more information when we have it, we've been doing so and i

said patience in the end, hamas' terror network, their work of tunnels and underground fortifications and arms depot will made public. we want people to see what was there. >> the former prime minister told cnn something very interesting in this context, he actually said, mark, that they he knows there are bunkers under the al shifa hospital, he said israel built what's under there and initially he said it was for hospital use to support the al shifa hospital at the time. he said it was built decades ago. back to that animation, conference rooms, video screens, do you know that the network is being used as you portray it and is the reason that you're so confident about how it looks is

because you built it? >> so, first of all, we didn't build the hospital, the hospital was built by the british and day were ruling this part of the world in the 1940s, early in 1980s when israel was ruling the gaza strip, we made ren vagus and we did build the basements which were for medical purposes for the hospital. what happened under hamas is they turn some of those basement areas into underground for them, as part of their war machine, for their command and control, then they built -- it wasn't there before -- they dug out these tunnels, these special fortifications under the ground and what we showed already and cnn has seen this, the tunnels that go down ten yards and then it reaches this underground complex which is still locked.

so, so what hamas did, they used the existing basements apparently for their command and control and through the tunnel network they could send orders and instructions and fighters to their network of underground tunnel. there's no contradiction. we knew all of this. >> mark, thank you very much. i appreciate you taking the time joining us tonight. thank you. >> thanks for having me, erin. next, donald trump may be silenced as appeals court looks ready to restore a gag order breaking news, ko voters are about to file an appeal that will happen any moment now, after a judge ruled that trump can stay on the ballot. plus, microsoft puts an a.i. mastermind on its payroll hours after he's fired and microsoft shares soar to an all-time high.

so who is sam altman? a special report is next.

tonight, rare audio of a court hearing between the former president donald trump's lawyers and doj prosecutors. there were three judges listening to both sides argue

over a gag order for trump and the doj's 2020 election interference case. judges indicating they're likely to restore that gag order despite the trump team's objections today. >> criminal speech, obviously is a subject to -- political speech is speech, part of campaign speech -- >> i think that kind of labeling it core political speech begs the question whether it's in fact political speech or whether it's political speech aimed at derailing or corrupting the criminal justice process, you can't simply label it that. >> out front now, ty cobb, the former white house trump lawyer, ty, you watched this hearing, it's rare to have the opportunity to hear this, it's quotes that come afterwards, you could actually hear it, what do you think, do you think the

appeals court is going to restore the gag order? >> so, there's no question that the court will ultimately approve a gag order, whether the court will rewrite the existing gag order or send it down to judge chutkan on how to write it remains unclear, that could do either. but there will definitely be a gag order in this case. i think a couple of things fit together here, you know, the judge millete, who's extremely sharp and very skillful judge, you know, made it plain that they needed to work with a very fine -- what that suggests is that they will tweak the

existing gag order, and i think most of the tweaking will be around the word "targeting" or "target" as it's used in the existing gag order, refining that in a way that make plain that, yes, jack smith can be krit sieszed, he can be criticized by name, but that he current be the subject of incitement of invited violence as pointed out in the briefs, the day after trump said, you know, you come after me i'm coming after you, death threats were sent to her chambers. his words -- his words have real consequences, we have dead people on january 6th that demonstrate that. >> also, show that an incitement

of violence without a direct incitement to violence. so, the hearing was tense at moments, ty, the judges, tried to drill down on trump's team believes he's allowed to say. they specifically brought up, well, how do you handle witnesses who could be called to testify and what trump might say about those witnesses. here's one of scenarios that they posed. >> what if he gets on a stage somewhere, or on social media and says that exact same thing, ms. x, a public figure, is being bothered by the prosecutor, but people who are loyal, honest patriots don't talk to the

government -- >> he hasn't said that. and -- >> please answer the question. i'm not suggesting that he has said it. to be clear for the record, this is a hypothetical question. >> i mean, she made it clear that these are posed hypotheticals. when you look at what trump has said, a chance you said, that trump could face jail time for violating a gag order. >> yes, absolutely. and i don't think his first or second violation of the gag order will find him sent to jail but i think ultimately, you know, his narcissism will get the best of him and he'll violate it until he finds out what the limits of judge chutkan's patience are or is. >> i guess those limits as you're saying end up with what

could possibly be a night or two, it's hard to imagine him in jail. >> that's exactly right. the judges were frustrated with both sides a little bit today, because of, you know, the vagueties of their interpretation of the order. using that, you know, scalpel skillfully to demonstrate what target or targeting actually means. and what, you know, what areas of speech are actual ly circumscribe by the need to avoid undermining the integrity of the judicial process. i think that task is well within the capability of these judges and judge chutkan. >> all right, thank you very much, ty, i appreciate it as always. >> thank you. take care. thank you. next, some more breaking

legal news ko voters about to file an appeal saying that donald trump doesn't belong on the ballot despite a judge's narrow ruling. maria shriver who worked alongside the former first lady rosalylynn carter r is outfrfro.

breaking news. a group of colorado voters about to file an appeal any moment seeking to kick donald trump off the 2024 pal lot. they have until midnight. after a judge could stay on the ballot despite the voters'

argument that trump inciting an insurrection. on january 6th. the attorney for the colorado voters who brought the lawsuit seeking to remove trump from the ballot, this is his first interview since the judge's ruling, let me start with you and where you are, a few hours here before this filing deadline, you're about to file the appeal, what's your main argument? >> well, the main argument is that the judge got one issue wrong, she ruled basically for us on everything except for a technical legal argument that the 14th amendment doesn't apply to the president, we think that was incorrect, that's only the issue we'll be filing on. >> section 3 specifies the disqualifying oath is one to support the constitution. preserve, protect and defend the

constitution, because the word used in section 3 is support and the word used in the presidential oath preserve, protect and defend that's how she's saying it doesn't apply to the president. you're taking issue with that? >> yeah, we're taking issue with that because we think the oath to preserve, protect and defend includes the oath to support, but she also ruled that the president is not an officer of the united states and we think that's incorrect and we're hopeful we'll prevail on appeal. >> as you point out, other than the most basic thing, right, which is remaining on the ballot, you lost on that, you're appealing, but you did win on everything else, she said the first amendment doesn't apply to his speech, that he incited insurrection, incited violence. on that front, you're aware of something, but you're saying that trump's team is also appealing the ruling.

>> yes, so about, i think 20 minutes ago they filed with the colorado supreme court saying they wanted to appeal 11 different issues from the trial court below and asking to increase the word count by briefs by twice as much. we're appealing one very small legal issue. they're appealing 11. >> when you say they want to extend the word count because they want to put in very long briefs i presume briefs about insurrection. >> i presume so, with 11 questions presented that they're asking for they feel like they need more space. we're not going to be asking for more any more word count. we have one issue to appeal. >> how do you have two sides appealing the same ruling? >> it's not that unusual when two people think there were some things wrong and i think

probably trump's team wants to make sure they appeal a variety of issues so if this goes to the u.s. supreme court they can argue that the judge got some of those things wrong, i don't think she did. i'm hopeful we'll prevail in colorado supreme court. >> it shows they perceive that the headlines that came out of this were not ones they want, right, that the judge incited an insurrection, different what trump himself is saying, he was at rally over the weekend, of course he said something different, let me play it. >> so, we have now beaten the left wing ballot in colorado. our opponents are showing every day they hate democracy. >> of course he's appealing the ruling that he's there extolling as you point out.

11 points they want to appeal. what do you say to his comments there? >> you know, it's not surprising that he would take that position. but we're going to pursue our claims in court. i think we put on a very case, the judge issued a very detailed opinion. we're just going to continue guard, we'll go to the colorado supreme court and see what happens there. >> you're right, it was about page 95, 92 was the insurrection. thank you very much. i appreciate it, sean. thanks. >> thank you very much. next, rosalynn carter helped transform the job of first lady. maria shriver former first lady herself and no stranger to politics as a member of the ken day family is out front, next microsoft shares soar to an all-time high a massive company

that hired sam altman. the story behind microsoft coup anand altmanan's formemer r emp threatenining mutiny a ahead.

tonight, the many lives touched by the former first lady rosalynn carter, among them the former california first lady, author, journalist, maria shriver greeting mrs. carter.

they formed a friendship as they worked together to support care givers who are looking after sick loved ones and maria shriver is outfront now. i wanted to ask you, because you did get to know her in such a specific capacity, what was it like getting to know rosalynn carter if. >> she was an incredible woman, far ahead in so many ways, as an equal partner as the former president said yesterday. she was out in front on mental health and care giving. since my uncle ran against president carter i was nervous to work with her and nervous that she might be, you know, hold a grudge, so to speak, she was gracious, she was elegant, she never really brought it up, and my dad had run against carter in '76 and then my uncle ran against him in '80 and yet she was very professional, she

was look it, we work on the same issues, let's work together, you can help me and i can help you, let's focus on that. i was like, okay, great, let's go. so i was a big admirer of hers and the outpouring i think yesterday shows how many people were touched by her work, her style, i think, her elegance the love story clearly, but she was a formidable woman in her own right. >> it's interesting as your father of course was diagnosed with alzheimer's and you help care for him. rosalynn also cared for her father when he was dying. when she had the power and ability she created an institute to care takers. going through the pain and the anguish and the love all of the

things that entails, what did she accomplish with her work? >> well, i think she elevated that issue and it still needs to be elevated, there are so many millions of americans who do this work round the clock in addition to working full time, in addition to parenting, in addition to partnering and they're looking for help, right, and she always had this quote, you're either going to be care giver or be cared by a care giver in your life. everyone should be invested in this issue, learn about this issue, honor this issue and value this work which is often so low paid, done in the darkness, people don't come face to face with it until they come face to face with it. i think she had this idea of a caregiver's office in the federal government that was never realized but i think she wanted to elevate this work, this kind of work that i always call work that's on the front lines of humanity that so many

people do, they change their lives to care for people that they love and i think she wanted to honor that work and elevate it. >> a few days a ago you were in washington with first lady jill biden. in part it's fair to say because of rosalynn carter, she changed the role of first lady, now it's almost -- you don't want to say the words first lady, we got a first gentleman on the level. she worked tirelessly on mental health reform. i'm talking about rosalynn carter. the first to represent on the u.s. diplomatic trip overseas. this was so different. at one point reflecting back, in the early 1990s, maria, she said this. >> i think the role of women has

changed and as the role of women has changed the role of the first lady has changed. and i don't think we'll ever go back to have a first lady who just entertains and pours tea. >> she's been right so far. but, you know -- >> she's right about this. >> you've experienced yourself as first lady of california. you completely changed your role how you lived your life and your own life and your own career. what impact did rosalynn carter have on the whole concept of being a presidential spouse? >> well, i think she, you know, for everybody there are 50-some i don't know how many first ladies there are throughout the country, it's a formidable role, you can do a lot as a first lady. anyone who steps into that role should look at a rosalynn carter and to see what she did with

that role, you can make it your own and you can decide i don't want to do much at all with it but if you step into it there's tremendous power in it, you can use it as a startup, you can be an entrepreneur with it. you can be creative with it. you can create incredible change with it. i think she wanted to show women they were form daidable. they were equal partners. the idea of a woman being an equal partner was very new, still people are like, whoa, when women are equal partners and i think i looked to her as a model to somebody who took the job seriously. first lady as california i gave up my journalism job i was like, what is this job? i want to make it something that matters. i want to help change people's lives and you can do that in the role. and so i think that many times people don't know what a first

lady does, it changes by whoever's in that office, but that office has tremendous power and those people have tremendous power to make a difference in our country. >> all right, maria, thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you, erin. all right, next the artificial intelligence world rocked tonight as microsoft wastes no time hiring the man at the forefront of the technology. who's sam altman? a special report is next. the white house with a powerful message for elon musk tonight. but is it enough?

tonight, open revolt at open a.i. nearly every employee is threatening a mutiny. this after the board of open a.i., the company behind chatgpt, fired its cofounder and ceo sam altman. just 60 hours later, even as the tech world thought altman could get his old job back, he accepts a job at microsoft. tom foreman is "out front." >> reporter: open a.i. is the most advanced and the most widely used a.i. platform in the

world now. >> reporter: that's sam altman, cofounder of open a.i. earlier this year talking up the company's success and praising his checks and balances. >> no one person should be trusted here. i don't have supervoting shares, like, i don't want them. the board can fire me. i think that's important. >> reporter: but this is him now after being fired, waving company visitor badge and posting, first and last time i ever wear one of these. open a.i. rolled out chatgpt only a year ago, a dazzling artificial intelligence platform capable of human-like writing, calculations, coding. altman, who launched the project with elon musk, was the quirky genius behind the curtain. >> silicon valley has to be one of the most accepting places in the world for failure. >> reporter: he learned code at the age of 8, dove into the computer startup business, became fabulously wealthy, and a little cagey. i prep for survival, he told

"the new yorker" in 2016. i have guns, gold, antibiotics, batteries, water, and a big patch of land in big sir i can fly to. >> reporter: even as he ballyhooed chatgpt, he acknowledged concern about how it might take jobs, take charge. >> my worst fear is that we cause significant harm to the world. >> reporter: sources told the cnn contributor, tensions erupted with the open a.i. board over how aggressively the technology should advance. the company officer says no, altman was not consistently candid, and that interfered with the board's oversight. whatever the reason, here comes microsoft. >> we love you guys. you guys have built something magical. >> reporter: two weeks ago, microsoft's ceo was raving about his company's $13 billion investment in open a.i.

now, the tech giant says altman and another cofounder will be joining microsoft to lead a new advanced a.i. research team. >> and potentially taking with him hundreds of employees from open a.i. >> reporter: it's true. more than 500 open a.i. employees have signed a letter saying we are unable to work for or with people that lack competence, judgment, and care. microsoft has assured us that there are positions for all open a.i. employees. >> of course cnn's reaching out to all the major players here to see if they have anything else to say. no matter what they do say, erin, this is astonishing. this company that last november shook up the world is now seeing sells badly rattled. >> tom foreman, thank you very much. next, the white house sending a message to elon musk, afteter his embrbrace of an n anantisemitic c tweet. but is it enenough?

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tonight, the white house sending a signal to elon musk. but so far, it lacks a lot of teeth. the white house joining the social media platform, thread, which is a competitor to x. the president himself announcing the move and directing people to go to thread. >> we're live, folks.

>> well, the white house will keep its x account. but the reason for this small move is something significant. musk explicitly endorsed an anti-semitic conspiracy theory on his platform, and others have taken a strong stance. major advertisers, including apple, disney, and cnn's parent company warner brothers discovery, have pulled spots from the platform. musk and x. the white house's decision to join threads gives the mark zuckerberg controlled platform -- also been created on threads. we will have a special report tomorrow on the u.s. government's relationship with elon musk and his companies. like the pentagon's $70 million deal with spacex for star shield, which is a communication system based on the starlink system of satellites that's been so crucial in ukraine. so, should the administration be putting their money where their