tonight, a new house speaker making a pilgrimage to mar-a-lago. a source tells cnn that mike johnson went to meet with

former president trump as a ford compound tonight. the speakers voyage follows his endorsement last week of trump. johnson has granted himself as one of trump's closest allies in the congress. thank you for watching news night, laura coates live starts right now. hey laura. >> surprise, surprise, surprise. another pilgrimage down to mar-a-lago. i am stunned, where is the banner? breaking news, this has happened. abby, great show. >> a great republican tradition. >> i think it's becoming that. it's almost like the true right of passage. how will the voters feel about it? we'll have to wait and see. thanks abby, nice to see, we'll see you tomorrow. a shake up in the tech world that has implications for all of our futures. tonight on laura coates live. ♪ ♪ ♪ so what happened after the past few days could actually change the shape of the future for you,

for me, for everybody, really. you've heard about this guy named sam altman, right? the leader of one of the world's most influential artificial intelligence companies who was suddenly fired over the weekend. a move that pretty much nobody had seen on their bingo card. altman is the leader of open a.i., a company that created chatgpt. he was suddenly out of the company. now, it was somewhat mysterious and he said he was fired over concerns that he was not always truthful with the board, whatever that means pertaining to what specific thing we just don't know. but two days later, altman was hired by microsoft where he could be even more powerful, to run and brand new division was all the many, many, well all the resources of one of the world's biggest tech companies. but the saginaw it not actually be over because employees at open a.i., they are not pleased. they're threatening to head for the exits and unless altman is

brought back. this is not your average business story about one wealthy guy go into a different company to be even wealthier, this is about technology and the implications for the future of our humanity. i'm not really overstating it, are. they're in a moment i'm gonna talk to caro swisher who knows this story inside and out and just talk to the microsoft ceo who hired portman. >> every technology, is both a tool in a weapon. the question is how can you really make sure that the use of the tools get propagated and the weapons not so much? >> we will have much, much more from kara swisher in a moment. but the issue here is about more than who comes out on top in a corporate power struggle. this is a battle between those who want to put the brakes on a.i., who warned that it is dangerous, and those who say no, it could improve our lives in advances from everything from

science to medicine to art to the movies we watch and the music we listen to. a song that uses artificial intelligence could copy the drake and the weekend, remember that went viral a few months ago. an ominous tiktok users claim to have used a i degenerate that song. it appears the artists themselves had nothing to do with it. listen to this. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> coming up we'll talk to a legendary producer and dj pete rock and music executive enforcement. but the big question in all of this, who wins the battle over artificial intelligence and what millet mean for all of us? i want to bring in the person at the very forefront on sam altman and openai, cnn contributor and host of the

pivot and on podcast, kara swisher. my friend, i am glad you are here. look, you must have a little bit of whiplash because it's been a lot these past couple of days. you interviewed the microsoft ceo. what happened? what is going on? >> which part, it started friday and it started friday and is going and still going. we don't pay bingo in silicon valley, chatgpt plays for us. >> how about just? >> it beats us at dutchess. in any case, it is a corporate struggle in a lot of ways. it's about power, and that's what is happening here. but i think not a lot of people expected because this was sort of the, there is a owes a hot company in silicon valley and this has been it. big funding by microsoft and others investors at the forefront of this to commercialize the stuff for average people. sort of like the first internet company, the first email company, whatever. like a google or something like that. a lot of people felt that, understands leadership, things

were going well but to the board did not and fired him quite suddenly. i think everybody was surprised, including micro soft which owns 49% of open a.i.. so it has just been a drama since then because there have been negotiations to bring him back and then that didn't work out and he felt that they sandbagged him on that one. they brought in another ceo and as interim ceo. the board has been relatively silent and not transparent. it is now three people because one of the board members that was part of the firing of sam altman has changed his mind and signed a letter asking for the board to step down, and himself to step down. >> reporter: we have any idea as to what sam altman did? they put up the ambiguous statement as to why he left. you have an insight as to why he is gone? >> nobody can. nobody understands it. i think it is more of a relationship thing. they keep saying it is nothing specific, i think it's just a power struggle between him and some other people on the board

who have different ideas and different directions and now, one of them, has shifted to the altman side. so we will see what happens. but it really, they called it an alignment issue and it was very on specific. so if you get fired and they are like, it's an alignment issue, and i've never told you about it or warned you about, and there is definitely tensions between the board and sam, but it is not specific. it is a very nontransparent board that will not say what they did. in fact, it turns out to be kind of a cloth board. >> reporter: one of the things that you see, that seems to be a very interesting dynamic at play, is the debate going on between those pegged as the so-called a i do mers and the other end, the people want to push the technology further and faster. i wonder, the outcome of all of this give one side the advantage here now? >> no, you heard the interview there. there is a middle ground here, there's a lot of promise with this technology and we have the

opportunity to put guardrails in place so they don't become weaponized as our previous internet has been, social media and things like that, with misinformation. there's an opportunity here for government and companies to play a role. the worries are is that it consolidates under companies like microsoft or meta or anything else. and that innovative companies, and companies, are able to participate equally, which openai has been around for a long time but it's a relatively young company. one thing that was striking was the employees, i think they're up to 700, 770 employees have said they're going to leave if they, if the board doesn't fire itself and bring back sam altman and other executives who left. >> cannot survive then without those employees? without sam altman? is openai gone as a result? >> i guess. it has a lot of stuff. it has customers and sam was building it, the profit part of it. it has done pretty well. it is very expensive to do what

they're doing, so as and a start up. but i don't know. it is unclear, other countries could come in, the founders could find other ways to fund it, but the money required here and the computing power is vast. that is why openai hooked up with microsoft. now, others didn't like that. elon musk was one of the original founders of open a.i. and left in a huff about it and created his own company called grok. he could come in here in some way, other people could. anything could happen. but microsoft will have more control, that is for sure, because it will want a board observer seat at the very least going forward so they don't get, they didn't find out about this until a minute before it happened. >> reporter: kara swisher, it is only monday. kara, we've got to have you back. we'll play bingo next time, my friend. >> you don't have to in the new cyberspace. >> reporter: three dimensional chess at that. i pointed out the top of

the show that this technology has implications far and wide and artists, in particular, are worried about what this means for their livelihood. also, the future of their craft. joining me now to people deeply tied to the music industry, legendary grammy winning producer and dj pique rock and ian schwartzman. hello, i'm waving to you back as well. thank you so much, i'm so glad to have both of you on today. let me begin with you, pete, it is only right. you heard, and i've been hearing about the conversations about a.i. and using against a.i. in music. tell me why? >> okay, one of the negative reasons why is the fakers. using our likeness and our voice. that is major, you know? for me, for somebody to do that, to sound like me, use my likeness, and maybe get paid or however it works, it doesn't do

us any good. and so it takes away from our creativity and what we work so hard to do for our fans. >> reporter: and, on that point, you've been outspoken that you think it's made the opposite. it could act should be another -- i happen to, yes. think that that is the case. i feel like this is going to be a brand new opportunity for artists just like pete rock and others create new rights categories, new avenue screams, and creatively expand their horizons in spaces they haven't been able to go to thus far. so i see this as an enormous opportunity and it's going to bear a ton of fruit for people like pete rock and others in the music industry. >> reporter: you are nodding your head, do you agree with that pete? >> it's ian's saying it, i believe it. he is a good guy, i trust him. that was my only concern with

the a.i., but if ian says that what he is saying is true, then i am definitely up for it. >> we've solved all the problem just now in two minutes, fellas. bravo. ian, tell me about this, how do artists, how do they get paid and credit though? because we know that when we're talking about a.i. it is really at the forefront of legislation. people are not as well versed in it. how do you secure the rights for an artist who is going to have to be reactive deciding whether the technology is out there, having people use it, and then get around in a right racked of way? how do they get that money? >> listen, i think this is a brand-new thing that we're all experiencing right now. i feel like, obviously, we have to get a couple of the issues under wraps here. one of which being the copyright issue and the other being royalty collection. right now, in the united states, they only acknowledge human creative compositions to

collect royalties. so this is two categories that we need to quickly evaluate and put guardrails in place so that it doesn't get out of control in a negative way. but, like i said, it does pose a much bigger upside than just downside and it's going to create a ton of new opportunities for artists. i feel like that needs to begin now sooner than later. for >> i agree with what he said. that's the most important part is making sure that we get our residuals for the hard work. >> reporter: it occurs to me, because one of the things, especially earlier in hip-hop, people were critical of the use of samplers throughout songs. they thought that using small portions of other songs to make a beat and infuse their own music crossed a kind of line because there was not the legislation or the rights that were assigned to different artists that could protect everyone at play.

do you see this as being different than, say, sampling pete? >> farewell, for me, i am an originator so i started hip-hop stumbling. it's part of hip-hop, it's something that we do, it's something that the school before me taught me. and so, with that, there is nothing like a human interaction or an organic way to create. that is what is the most important thing for me is being able to create music organically, you know what i mean? >> reporter: i do. ian, on that point, with creativity, that's what it comes back to. we talk about and originator like pete, artists who want to be rewarded not just monetarily but creatively for what they put into the universe. if you've got technology there could be an argument that says it could lead to people not having the creative crowd that

they deserve. having real, true, original forms of instruments of music, melody, beats, versus. why do you think? >> listen, i look at it like a creative tool. i mean, pete knows better than i do that different tools like auto-tune or pro tools or the npc or serado, easter different technologies that have helped people like pete and other great musicians and bands create a thought process and bands take this creative process to the next level. i don't look at this as a threat, i really see this as another way for artistic geniuses like peach rock to take their craft to the next level. i don't think it's going to lose its individuality, i think it's going to take their creative thought process to a level they have been unable to take it to thus far. >> reporter: i hope you're right, because the music industry has not always been kind to those in positions of power. but, i'll tell you what, between your two arguments, pete rock and ian, since my

husband is from the bronx all different pete rock. sorry, ian. >> i can't be mad at that, it is the iconic feet. we all love pete. >> thank, you ian. >> nice to have you both on. pete, rocky enforcement, thank you so much. >> thank you lauren, pete, nice to see. you >> reporter: next, a ruling today on one of our most fundamental constitutional rights. undercutting the voting rights act of 1965. i'll tell you how it could shake up the 2024 election, next.

>> reporter: a likely showdown at the supreme court over voting rights. the court of appeals brushing aside decades, literally decades of precedent on who can bring cases over discrimination based on race. potentially, hobbling a ton to

of the voting rights act of 1965. the court will announce that only the doj itself can bring lawsuits, even though challenges brought by groups like the naacp and the aclu have been pivotal in protecting access to the ballot overtime. the -- brought by the arkansas chapter of the naacp and the arkansas public policy panel to the states house map. arguing it did not give black voters and our representation. now, arkansas as one of seven states immediately impacted by today's ruling. joining me now to discuss is the mayor of little rock, arkansas, frank scott jr.. mayor, thank you for joining us today. i mean, we are less than a year away from a presidential election. we obviously have the census data that was used to try to establish more maps for representation and now you have this, private litigants to can't bring cases under section two. what is your reaction to this? >> it is a clear, a bad

decision as it relates to public policy overall progressiveness, with the united states of america. little rock a stands at the crossroads of civil rights, as you understand. we were the first to help test the brown versus board of education as it relates to educational civil rights, and here again we find ourselves at the same crossword again as it relates to the dilution of minority voters within the state of arkansas. very grateful for the descending vote by judge smith and what he shared was right. it takes a private residence and citizens to stand up with themselves and not solely weight on the protection of this government agents. >> reporter: i've been a civil rights attorney for the voting section of the u.s. department of justice. they cannot possibly, nor can the doj, take every case they have ever heard of. there is just not the resources involved, which is why oftentimes looked against take matters into their own hands, even despite of the doj's decision and, to your point,

and the long dissent, the chief judge pointed to the number of court cases brought over the decades. mayor, listen to this. he said, quote, over the past 40 years there have been at least 182 successful section two cases and of those 182 cases only 15 were brought solely by the attorney general. so, if that means 15 outer of 182, i won't do the math at 11:00 at night, but it means there was a lot of success in spite of and instead of the doj. now that goes away. >> what you have right now is a continual assault against the voices of the people. we are here today because we have legislative packing and some would say cracking as well as it relates to the demolition of the vote. that is the reason why we're here, we also understand that the judge, as, well stated that there were clear criticisms as

it relates to the dilution of those voters. however, he is definitely focused on section two and that's the reason why we are also here today. again, as judge smith said, we should not solely rely upon the government agents. we have to rely upon also the right of action. that is the whole back if civil rights because the naacp, because the big six. they work to ensure that we had a right to vote and that we had a voice and seat of the table. it should not be taking a step back. >> reporter: when you talk about that packing and cracking, essentially putting all minorities in one district hoping that they will not be able to have the necessary voting strength by separating them out. they are always diluted, a really important way of trying to dilute the voting power. however, there is pushback. today, as you know, arkansas's republican attorney general tim griffin highlighted this decision and said that this is going to curb merit-less actions brought by private litigants that the attorney

might not have ever signed off on. is there evidence to suggest that this would actually, that there have been merits of merit-less action being brought? >> to my knowledge there's not been any merit-less actions brought as it relates to voting rights. i will tell you, to the folks who are really focused on suppressing our rights as it relates to voters, has been legislative body. that is, again, it's the reason why we are here. there was a clear packing and cracking. for instance, even in my particular district, i have been split into two. just by near interstate of the point in time. so, we know this to be true, it just the reason why we are here and the only suggestion of -- have gone before us is because of the rights of others. we are very grateful to the history of the naacp and the aclu and other civil rights organizations that continue to fight for the voices of the voiceless. >> what is it going to mean for your districts, for your community to have this decision?

>> i think what it means for us is to understand that, which has recently happened in alabama, is very typical to continue to forward the movement of the voters right act. this is very similar and what we find ourselves with alabama, we know and belief and don't anticipate for the u.s. supreme court to take a step back. i am also grateful that the circuit courts in the fifth and sixth district, which whole surround the state of arkansas, they believe that there is a private rights of action clause and we are grateful for that because we know that the u.s. supreme court will be looking at that, as well. >> reporter: mayor, frank scott junior, thank you so much for joining us today. this is a very nuanced issue. however, it seems very clear to many who have been looking at this and getting for quite some time. thank you, so much. >> thank you. >> reporter: now the big question for democrats heading into 2024, you might have guessed because days's birthday. president biden's age. another topic is also giving

the party pause. here is the question, will the vice president kamala harris be seen as a political liability? we'll answer that question, next.

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can actually sing happy birthday. i just want you to know, it's difficult earning 60. it's difficult. ha. >> well happy birthday mr., president joe biden's fueling debate about his, age ahead of the 2024 election. surprise surprise. even republicans going so far as to raise the prospect of president kamala harris as a way to undercut biden. >> we all know joe biden thinks that he's going to run and win this, election and then he's going to hand it off to a president kamala harris, which should skier all of. us >> a vote for donald trump is a vote for kamala harris. >> if we move this one, and in biden gets in again, you may end up with kamala as president. >> it's actually pronounced kamala, she's been vice

president for several years. now even some top democrat lawmakers are lukewarm about various, president cool harris biggest rust running mate, but the question is why is that? let's talk about. a cnn political analyst is here, cnn's political commentator and ashley harris, i was talking about pronunciation, and i messed up her name, that was, caramel i've got it. >> rhonda, cintas who is biden-harris 2020 campaign senior staffer, and republican -- shaw, here as well. we're going to have a phone conversation. first of, all tell me, i mispronounced, your name all you. first why is this thought to be a tragedy by republicans to try to attack president kamala harris? >> i think it leading ali's -- massage, knee and sexism, and some racism, because she is the first, woman she is the first woman of color to ever hold this office and so it's this fear factor that the united states is not ready for. i also think, she struggled at

the beginning stages of what was her role going to be as vice president, but i think she is finding her, lane and fighting for reproductive, rights fighting for a -- and really going and putting it at folks -- who are trying to take away our, justice i don't think it's a winning strategy, but it is one that can face up. >> before we get to, that's there are democrats also, though who don't really see her as the winning ticket. listen to this over the summer. >> vice president kamala harris, is she the best president for this? >> she thinks, oh and that's what. matters >> i don't know what else i can say other than she would be an excellent running, make an excellent vice president. i don't think whether president biden is weighing -- his running mate, we're going to a convention next summer. >> not like a resounding, yes she is the person, ron. she mentioned the idea of

finding the right mix for her, but she was, doing she's working on. you are now arriving this great conversation, i was picking your brain in the green room about, and that is this sort of structure, between the president, that she kind of breaks the mold in some respects. how? >> the most common model over the last half century was -- begins with jimmy, carter and walter mondale, ronald reagan, george w. bush, bill clinton, al gore, george w., bush to chaney, barack obama, joe, biden event donald trump, mike pence. all of those cases, it was an outsider running at the top of the, ticket did not have a lot of experience, picking someone who was kind of reassuring to the, public into the political establishment, who had more tenure here. near the keys to -- the kingdom. we're all of, that in both literally, figuratively, then you look at the other examples where you had insider presidents, in our left surgery, george h. w. bush, and 1980,

eight and joe biden in 2020. each of them picked someone who was new to washington, much younger, and supposed to bring excitement and pushes to the ticket. then once they got into, office with dan quayle, and kamala harris and are not necessarily comparing their credentials, but once you move into office, they did not really know to do about it. the more establishments aren't role for the vice president has been the sherpa to the new guy at the top of the ticket about how washington, works and then when you pick someone in the opposite, in each case they really struggled to find a roll inside the amid restriction that after a kind of casting, around they now have found a good role for harris that is both playing to her, strength and allows her to supplement a biden weakness, by being the person who is out there on the, frontlines in the red, states on college campuses, making the case about protecting rights, abortion, writes, voting rights act btk writes for a speech, writes in the schools. this broader model, we have not

seen it very much in the last half century, and when we have it really has not worked out that. well >> how do you see it right? now >> look at what we've seen from this republican gop primary. these debates, all we've heard about is the southern border. she's had a, roll and it was biden putting her there and sing finds the root cause, get to it, attack. it i want these, done it i don't think she's done it, well and many americans say that. when they see that she's been efficient in the job. look, i celebrate, her when she became the person for biden, and then when she went into the white house with him. you can celebrate her, winds you can admire how she's been as a person who became a senator, and was, i don't think very successful, but anyway she was a u.s. senator, and i can mayer. her taking all, that way you can find her officiant in her time, as vp. she's not an active, communicator what has she really done? about that this is were republicans will attack, or they will find her to be vulnerable in those moments, because she cannot effectively tell you, she has known for

getting word, sell it and then also the likability ratings. >> she's been the head of one of the largest department of justice -- and noted prosecutor, and i. goodwin do you see her as about ineffective communicator? >> no, have you ever seen her question brett kavanaugh during the judiciary committee? >> that's a very different thing than voters. >> it still is a success as a senator, whether or not he was confirmed. she's an effective communicator, i think again, this is a historical role. she has gone out, and when she goes out and talks -- when she goes down to, florida and she gives the surrounded santas, saying slavery was good for folks, and they've benefited from, folks when she goes down and she says you know, in ohio and kansas, virginia and -- you're going to take women's rights to choose away, i'm going to come in and help protect, to that is how voters -- more and more out of, view --

people -- i really appreciated your -- >> he's the vice president, she is supposed to relate to the, president you have someone who wanted to see out there, and taking. charge that's not our job is, vice president it's to support her leader, which is the president. i think she's done that in a very effective. why >> there is not a lot of evidence -- as opposed to the verdict. on the president, themselves what -- of 19, 88 they did not elect michael dukakis, they did not come away from that debate, having any question that she was better for her to step in as president. her ratings are very similar, -- she's maybe a little bit of different because of the advanced age, and more someone -- on whether she is able to step in if he's unable to go to her. >> they are not -- >>, know she is as weak as he is. she is as weak as he is, and likely to be as strong as he. is ultimately the verdict is biden staying, in and running

again. the verdict is going to be on him, and on his republican opponents, and particularly if it's trump, biden has got to hope that there is going to be, as there were in 20, 22 unusually -- >> the reality, is she saw hardaway from the presidency. it's a very different mix right, now when we look at the equation, we see heard this close, and the only trotted out to corca statue and sees one this biden administration, exit that has been her role. she's done that. well i think when you look at the broader, picture it is very scary to see somebody like her sort of perhaps not that comfortable into stepping into such a major role. i find her awkward, and i don't think she's ready for primetime. >> i think popular population is a pretty big gets the job, sieges voting -- she's fighting for reproductive rights. >> believe it, there because you nodded. there you go. ashley, reena thank you so much. amazing conversation. there's some other searching

for her missing son, for months. only to be finding out that he was killed by a police cruiser, and buried without her knowledge. the tragic story of this young man, dexter wade, and what his family wants to see happen next.

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more than eight months after -- was fatally struck by missing officer in a police cruiser, his mother gave her only son the formal funeral that he had been denied. what happened? well, on the evening of march, fifth weight was accidentally run over and killed by jackson police, according to police.

his mother reported him missing on march 14th. he was buried in a paupers grave without his family's knowledge. without a marking, only a number. number 672. when did dexter waits, that her son was killed, and buried, not intel off guest 24th, more than six months later. that's not, all just last week, his body was exhumed hours before it scheduled to be exams, without his family's presence there. joining us, now is dexter's mother. and the family's attorneys -- i welcome both of you here this evening, this must wait, i cannot tell you how sad i am to hear about what has happened to your, sun in the experience that you have had, trying to even locate him for so long. today you did have the opportunity to play him to, rest in a proper, burial but i

can't help but wonder how are you feeling as you sit here with him? >> well, i feel that. will it dexter to rest yesterday, and now he's gone going home in a peaceful manner and he'd been laid to rest. the right proper manner. but, we still need justice for him, because we still don't know what happened to him. we don't have nobody is taking us accountability for it. it was a cover-up, and in my heart, i have sought a piece of the puzzle. but, there's another piece missing. i know dexter, would want them

to be held accountable for what they have done. there is no reason. >> excuse me, men are did not mean to interrupt, you i want to understand from you, what do you think is that missing piece that miss wood speaks of? >> well so many levels to this tragedy. first of all, what many people don't know is miss wade was the name plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the jackson police departments, for killing her brother who was 62 years old and body slammed by the police. officer was convicted, and she weren't through to -- someone kherson is killed by a police officer, a police

cruiser and she notifies them that he's missing, she believes that the police know exactly who she, was but they did not come and your defy her that they had killed her son, and they buried him behind the county jail, in the poppers graveyard. people who are unidentified, and people who -- >> he was number six 72. how many other black people are buried behind that jail, and so when she talks about dexter, me getting justice, -- in mississippi, that seems to be the history, they had exhumed emits ill to get some justice? -- they had to exert -- to get some justice. as my co-counsel, said we've got exams dexter weighed in 2023 to try to get some justice. >> i do want to read for you

both what the jackson police have said about this. they have said quote, while this is a very tragic and unfortunate incidents, accidents, are investigation found no malicious intent by any jackson police staff. that's what they said miss wade, i wonder when you hear that statement, and won the world realizes that you spent months trying to locate your son, trying to get any information about, him trying to be present when his body was exhumed, i know you are fighting for some kind of accountability outside of what they have said here, you have a long road ahead, i'm certain, let me ask you though, this is your son, and i am a mother myself. your son would have turned another ear older tomorrow, tomorrow would have been his birthday. what do you want the world to

know about your child? >> that they took, they took his life. the covered up, they lied months and months, and months that was a cover-up. he does not get a chance -- to see his 30th birthday, they have not yet come forward to say this, wade i am sorry for your loss. letting him to rest, nobody showed us the same, i'm sorry for your. loss so, my feeling is that i study -- he wants me to fight, he

started 30, eight and i still have to fight, for justice. >> miss, which i am sorry for your loss. you should have heard that today. thank you for being here. i know you will continue the fight for your son as any mother would. thank you so much. >> we attorney crump, thank you. >> thank you to both, we will be right back.