that he would no longer be with the team, but so classy to just show up where you have already put your time and effort and you make a commitment and keep it. feel good stuff heading in to the holiday. >> and speaking of feeling good, he is 38 years old, lebron, i'm also 38. every time i see him, i'm like man, i've done nothing with my life. but i feel a little bad for him, you're right, he should just be able to bask in the moment. 38 is not that old. >> i wanted your thoughts because that just felt ice cold. i mean, are you kidding me? the guy is evetching his name further and further into history and you have a reporter taking a shot at him being older than the coach? come on. >> you know what, you can still sink a three pointer, that is all you need. carolyn manno, happy thanksgiving. and thanks to call of you for joining us and happy thanksgiving to those who celebrate. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. "cnn this morning" starts right

now. good morning. israel and hamas has reached a breakthrough deal to release hostages in exchange for a four day pause in fighting. the timing is expected to be announced sometime today. israeli sources say the first hostages could be released as early as tomorrow morning. >> and the deal calls for a four day truce. hamas set to release at least 50 women and children who were abducted during the october 7 terror attacks. in exchange hamas says israel has agreed to release 150 palestinian prisoners from jail. a u.s. official telling cnn that three americans could be among those hostages released. and 3-year-old abigail, the youngest american hostage being held by hamas, both of her parents were murdered in the

october 7 terror attack. her family tells cnn that they are hoping that they will be released in time for her fourth birthday and that is that friday. the timing though for all of this very fluid. >> and we're still seeing large explosions rocking northern gaza. last night qatar saying a pause in the fighting would be announced within 24 hours. under the terms of the deal, that four day pause in fighting can be extended, an extra day could be added for every additional ten released. >> and let's start with oren lieberman live in tel aviv. welcome news but has not happened yet. how is it being received in israel? a >> reporter: this is generally broadly supported. and i say that from the perspective of the families of the hostages with whom we've spoken and at least correspond to the reports we're seeing and the numbers we're seen from the

israeli public, this is something that they were waiting for. 50 opens the door and builds a framework to continue the process and try to release more hostages if the pause in fighting holds and if the process works out. crucially we're not there yet and pause in fighting has not yet begun. after the full government vote late last night or i should say early early this morning, there is a 24 hour window in which someone can file an appeal to try to stop it. once that clock runs out, then the government can announce that cease fire has begun. the release of israeli hostages women and children can be begin. the release of 150 palestinian women and children held in israelily jails can begin. crucially israel put out a list of 300 palestinian women and children held in israeli jails.

so it seems to be saying look, there is an offer here after the first 50 israeli hostages. if you release ten more, we can continue this on a day by day basis. so at least that window is there. certainly the international community trying to push it into something broader than a single hostage exchange. >> and what is the idf on the ground doing in anticipation of this? >> reporter: so as of right now, the fighting still continues. an idf spokesperson came on air last night and said when we get the order from the political leadership to stop fighting, that ceasefire is in place or about to contact into effect, we'll stop fighting. but until that, the fighting continues. neither side has announced that we're not fighting, so there is still a war going on. and prime minister benjamin netanyahu who promised last night even as he pushed this agreement through the war

cabinet, the security cabinet and then the cabinet itself, that the war will continue. although there is a pause in fighting and the idf will take defensive positions inside of gaza, once that pause is over, fighting resumed. and one more point on the 300 if i may, of those palestinian prisoners, israel released a list that it was interesting to look at that list, many of them held for what are considered relatively minor charges. for example throwing stones, the transfer of weapons, support of a terror organization. from my brief look through the list, it looks like some are members of hamas according to israel, some are members of other organizations like islamic jihad and some aren't members of any organization. it seems the vast majority with men between 16 and 18 years old. and i'll take a more in-depth look at the list, but seems very few women on that. unclear who gets to choose one of those palestinian prisoners are released. frankly, which of the israeli hostages are released. >> both important questions.lie.

and of course the families of the hostages are waiting for word of whether their loved ones are among those being released. >> my family like all the other families is going to go through a terrible week. we don't know if my cousin will be amongst those released in this round. >> i really do hope to see someone walking out of there and to being just -- i think that it will fill us with hope for the others and for a chance. we want a chance to see our loved one back. >> there is nobody that is giving up hope. it is just that we actually need to see abigail come out and then we will be able to be -- to believe it. >> senior u.s. official telling cnn at least ten americans remain unaccounted for. the biden administration is determined to get everybody home.

mj lee is live for us this morning at the white house with some of that new reporting. mj, walk us through a little bit more what you have learned the last 24 hours about how the deal came together. >> you know, all day yesterday we were talking about abigail, the 3-year-old american citizen toddler and the hope that she could be among the first 50 hostages that are released. but now u.s. officials say that they know of at least two other american citizens, two women. so the hope now is that there could be three american citizens that are in the mix of the women and children that are first released in this first phase of the process. but as you say, there are ten miles per hours that are unaccounted for right now. and what is not clear is could there be for example adult men in the mix who wouldn't be counted in that first phase and how would the u.s. government try to get them out. and what they have said is that they believe that this deal is in

in-cent advised in such a way on so that hamas would have incentive to continue releasing more hostages. obviously this is a slow process. as far as the women and children are concerned, the ones that will be released, there is a long road ahead in terms of medical attention and make sure that they can safely get out of gaza as well. >> and you have fascinating reporting this morning that everyone should read about all of the details about the weeks leading up to this and just how integral and involved top ranking biden administration officials were in getting to this place. what can you say with people this morning? >> yeah, we're learning so much more about the weeks and week of painstaking negotiations between the u.s. and hamas and israel and qataris to get to this point. and soon after oblctober 7, top secret level communication

channel was created among a small group of white house officials and israeli and qatari officials to basically try to communicate with hamas and negotiate. when the two american citizens were released, u.s. officials felt like that we now have a model for trying to get out a larger group of hostages, they felt like there was an effective method for actually negotiating with hamas even if that process was incredibly delicate and slow. but the challenges were immense. hamas refused for a long time to offer any identifying information about the hostages. their gender, their nationalities, their age. and that ended up being such a sticking point that at least point the parties felt that they were getting pretty close to a deal and even discussed israel potentially delaying its ground invasion but they decided not do

that because they weren't buying what hamas was selling at the time. they weren't giving proof of life or any identifying information. they didn't buy the argument that they needed on pause to identify the hostages. on israel goes ahead with the ground invasion anyway. and then there was a point in recent days when hamas just went dark. it stopped responding. and when they finally resurfaced, we're told that they demanded that the idf pull out the forces of the raid in al-shifa hospital, obviously idf didn't do that. but you can see as we start to get a clearer picture of how all of this unfolded why officials all along had stressed so much that things were so delicate, so tenuous and they almost didn't want to get their hopes up because they truly felt like that they could fall apart at any moment. >> it is a fascinating look.

thank you for your reporting. joining us in the next hour, someone involved in the negotiations jon finer. >> and also we'll be joined by the family of the 3-year-old american hostage abigail. and the u.s. military retaliating after multiple close range ballistic missiles were fired at an air base in iraq. we have details on what is clearly growing escalation in the region. and while you were sleeping, a big announcement from openai, which may make you feel like you have whiplash. just days after the board ousted the ceo sam altman sparking an up rising from employees, yet another development this morning. those breaking details ahead.

we're following breaking news out of israel and gaza where hostage exchanges could get under way as soon as tomorrow. new overnight, israel has released now a list of 300 palestinian prisoners who could ultimately be freed in exchange for the hostages being held by hamas. >> joining us now, foreign policy adviser in the george w. bush administration and also author of a fantastic new book "genius of israel." thanks for being here on a morning like this. you are waking up to this news and you are thinking thank god for those families.

but you also have a lot of questions. is this a good deal? >> look, israeli officials i've spoken to and israeli families i've spoken to including one family in particular that has a hostage, not one who will be a part of this exchange, argue that this would not have happened had israel's advance into gaza not been as effective as it had been, this is not what hamas wanted to do, this is not the deal hamas wanted to do. so hamas wanted to hang on to the hostages which they viewed as currency for as long as possible because hamas is under so much pressure. and israel still can resume in a matter of ways. >> what do you mean effective? because there have been thousands of civilian casualties. >> you think about the thousands of hamas fighters that israel is trying to wipe out and the pressure on hamas commanders, architects of the attack, they are on the move. and israel has -- so in that sense israel has been effective. of course there is collateral

damage as there always is in war. but i think that that mash is under pressure militarily and therefore has to do this deal. and there is a sense that the world is recognizing the depravity of what hamas did on october 7. and hamas may not have anticipated the reaction to holding women and children, almost a concession by hamas. this is a problem for us. we have to give back to women and children. that said, the risk is what happens after the four or five days. what happens when the 50 hostages are released, hamas says all right, we'll give you ten more, ten more, and is this -- is israel sort of being tricked into a slow walk into a ceasefire. >> and so among the resistance, which we know from the far right national security, he said this is a very big, big mistake and there were concerns about who could be released in terms of prisoners, what that could then lead to. benjamin netanyahu though is

addressing that. i want to play a little bit of what he said and get your take on it. >> all the security forces supported fully, they understood that not only will the war effort not only be compromised, on the contrary, this will allow the idf to prepare for the continuation of the fighting. and i would like to make it clear here again, the war continues. the war will continue until we achieve all of our goals. >> i read that as him saying some of the concern had been with this pause every time there is a pause, and if the pause continues to drag out, it just gives hamas time to regroup and get everything back in order. he seems to be saying we get to do the same thing, we're coming back stronger. >> there is some truth to that. going into the south is a whole other operation. some ifz rz reallilies say that could have a few days to get organized. and hamas has that as well.

israeli continues to believe that military pressure to give up hostages and israel could ben fit from a few days. the one community we're not talking about is the israeli public. and this is gutwrenching. if you compare israel's population to the u.s. population, so for every israeli, there is about 35 americans given the differential in size. so if we're talking about 50 hostages women and children being released, that would be like 1750 american women and children being held hostage and being released. still another equivalent in american terms 40,000 hostages. so just this touches all of israeli society which is why even if israel has to give up a little bit on military effectiveness, there is a sense in israeli society that it is worth it. >> what about the other hostages and how did bibi get from as police as last weekend saying no pause and now four days and maybe more?

>> one, i think it is focused on the women and children, that is important. again imagine 1750 american women and children being held. it touches every part of israeli society and the pressure had been building internally. and, b, a sense that they can still resume military operations in a few days. and they can, you know, they can still continue to be very effective in a few days. so he felt that he wasn't giving up that much. now, again, i tend to agree with that if it is really limited to four or five days. if suddenly they say ten more hostages, ten more hostages and you get slow walked in to effectively a soft ceasefire, that is dangerous situation. and one other thing that is important to netanyahu which he got is red cross access. the red cross has not -- >> into gaza. >> into gaza to see the other hostages. make sure that they have medical care, see how they are doing and being able to report back. >> and that information is ski. not only for so many families

but i would say for the israelis, for so much of the world to actually understand what they have. >> this is so unprecedented for hostages in a war-like situation, for the red cross to not have access. by the way shame on the red cross for not pushing for it. normally they push aggressively to get access. they were not pushing for access. the israeli government was asking for the red cross get access and they made red cross access central to part of this deal. >> and so that is something that we want to know more about. jon finer will be joining us in about an hour so we'll try to get more on that. thank you. so just what will it take to move the hostages out of the warzone? those challenges, we'll dig into that. and if you are heading out on the road or airport for the thanksgiving holiday, what you need to know about the major storm impacting travel for millions of americans. stay with us.

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it is the busiest travel day of the year. happy to be here grounded. and the weather is not looking so great everywhere. heavy rain and winds continue in the northeast. and snow in new england also. jason carroll is at laguardia. and you are staying grounded very wisely. and allison chinchar is tracking the storms. jason, what is it looking like this morning? >> i have to tell you, not too bad. and i've done this story a lot of times. and i haven't seen an airport looking this good since i've been doing this. look behind me here, a few lines behind me here, the travel board pretty much says it all when you look at the departures board here on time, on time, on time.

you consider you have this weather system moving through the area, when you consider that the tsa is predicting that this will be the busiest thanksgiving holiday travel season on record. expecting to screen some 30 million travelers through the thanksgiving travel weekend. we did a check, my producer and i, of the airports. and laguardia, just about five delays here. jfk 25 delays. really not bad. newark, they were looking at just 12 delays. i mean, when you consider all that i told you, again, things are looking pretty good out here and the travelers that we spoke to say that they took all of the warnings that they heard about before they came out here to the airport, here is what they had to say about it. >> yeah, wanted to make sure that i was early, earliest flight that i could get out. because usually this -- i don't think that i ever remember traveling on this day because of

all the horror stories i've heard. so, yeah, hopefully knock wood everything will go good and it will be a happy thanksgiving. >> reporter: and the weather system that we were talking about, that is supposed to be moving out of the area later this morning. when we do see travel delays at the airports, guys, they usually sort of accumulate as the morning drags on. so again, i don't want to jinx it -- >> yes, please don't. >> reporter: but right now things are looking pretty good. >> we'll cross our fingers. roads, i came in and it was a little rough. millions are hitting the roads. and allison, give us a sense of the storms and how that could impact travel. >> good morning, yeah, biggest issues are really focused mainly along the east coast. up and down the eastern sea board. on the south side, you have rain, you have very gusty winds and a few thunderstorms mixed in

here basically from florida all the way up through virginia. on the north side, it is a bit of everything. you have snow, you have rain/snow mix, even a bit of freezing rain and then also the gusty winds. yes, we're starting to see it end across philadelphia and new york, but still dealing withhar and interior. snow totals here, about 6 inches. when you get hire in gher in elevation, it could be closer to a foot. and we'll start to see things drying out slowly as it progressing eastward. and by wednesday evening, pretty much most of the east coast finally starts to see dryer conditions. but the wind will stick around, so keep that in mind especially if you are driving, that could end up causing some issues there. then we fast forward to actual thanksgiving day. the eastern portion of the country looks nice. it is now the western u.s. that starts to begin to pick up some issues.

we have this next system sliding in that will likely bring rain and snow to cities like denver eventually towards salt lake city as well. the heaviest snow obviously going to be across portions of the inter-mountain west and temperatures on the cool side. and then for friday, a lot of folks they want to get out and maybe do black friday shopping. bigger issues are the inter-mountain west and also central u.s. where we'll start to see new rain showers across oklahoma, kansas and missouri. and coming up, what cnn has uncovered about the now house speaker mike johnson and his call to challenge some landmark supreme court rulings. and right now the pope meeting with family members of hostages being held in gaza. now speaking out saying about the conflict, the pope's words, this is not war, this is terrorism.

breaking this morning, hostage deal between israel and hamas has been reached after painstaking negotiations. >> and hamas has agreed to release at least 50 women and children who were abducted during the october 7 terror attack in exchange israel has agreed to release 150 palestinian prisoners from jail and also agreed to a four day pause in fighting. this deal was approved by israel's cabinet in the early hours wednesday morning following a six hour meeting. israeli official described it as tense and emotional. the israeli government also published the names of 300 palestinian prisoners that could be released if the agreement continues. qatar which was central to negotiating the deal said start of the pause would be announced within 24 hours. this morning though we're still seeing large explosions in gaza. ben wedeman is joining us now from beirut. there are a lot of questions. obviously who is on the list of

the 50 who will be released, but what about the list of 300 palestinian prisoners. >> reporter: this list was published this morning by the israeli ministry of justice at 8:00. and the public has 24 hours to raise any objections to the names on the list. obviously this is double the number that is part of the announced agreement because the israelis are hoping that if perhaps this deal works, it maybe can be extended more captives can be released in exchange for more palestinian prisoners. we know on this list there is nobody convicted of murder. we understand that there is somewhere in excess of 280 palestinian males under the age of 18, some of them as young as 14. some of them are affiliated with the various factions of the

palestinians, hamas, fatah, islamic jihad the popular front for the liberation of palestine. the remainder are women. but as i said, none of these people have been convicted of murder. so basically teenagers who many of them have taken part in the sort of clashes that are part of the ordinary daily life in the west bank and also in the east jerusalem. both of which are under israeli military occupation. and what you have had since 1967 is a low level uprising against that occupation. and it appears that most of the young men on this list are probably participants in this sort of thing. so this -- it should be -- we understand that the releases will begin tomorrow morning, thursday morning, but the list is larger than is on the agreement because israelis are

hoping that somehow this will be the beginning of a broader agreement from release of more of the captives in gaza. >> ben wedeman reporting from beirut, thank you very much. and joining us now, retired u.s. air force colonel cedric leighton. always good to have you with us and get your insight here. what do you make of this mo morning, just walk us through how you see this playing out. >> good morning. there will be a lot of different factors here, but as ben was pointing out, fact that the israelis have released more names than called for is a sign that these groups believe that there is perhaps a way forward in the negotiation front. and if that happens, then we can perhaps see a longer pause in the fighting.

right now as the pictures from gaza indicate this morning, we're seeing fighting continuing. that fighting is really part of the positioning that occurs when these kind of truce agreements go into effect because what each side is doing, they are moving themselves into positions of greater advantage or at least trying to do that. so you are seeing that kind of activity on the part of both the israelis and to some extent hamas as well. each side i think hoping for a bit of a breather in this case and that breather, they will try to take advantage of that breather as well. >> pause in fighting for four day, maybe it gets tended longer if hamas will release more hostage as. that coupled with israel agreeing to stop the drone surveillance for six hours a day, those two things together, does that help hamas and does it hurt israel in terms of intelligence during that period of time? >> it can certainly hurt israel in the sense that they won't have that persistent

surveillance that you get with the continual drone coverage. israelis will have as many sources as they possibly can to kind of fill that intelligence gap. but that is going to be a risk/reward benefit analysis that they have gone through to try to make sure that they at least have enough info so that they can conduct force protection operations for their forces. in other words they want to make sure that they can still protect their army elements that are on the ground there. as far as the other parts of this agreement are concerned, it is one of those things where you've got all the different pieces coming into pl iz reallilies israelis can also regroup and i think that is a key factor here. >> there is concern about if it

drags on too long what that could mean. when you look at it from a military perspective, is there is a window beyond four or five days to perhaps get more hostages out that is still within range in your view? the israelis saying this is not going to end things. benjamin netanyahu very clear this morning we are going to restart do you see that playing out or do you share some of the concern? >> i definitely share some of the concerns because on the one hand, you've got the goals that israelis have established for themselves. and it is kind of hard to destroy an entity that you are negotiating with if that is one of the things that you are trying to do is get the hostages back, then you have the problem of do i get the hostages back or go for military operation. and that is the kind of thing that they have to look at. but yeah, there is some concern

there, but i think that it can be extended. >> white house has declassified some intelligence suggesting that the wagner group is helping and preparing to provide air defense capability to hezbollah or iran. what would that mean for this fight? >> so that will complicate things. and it opens up the possibility of a second front to develop. and the reason that becomes more likely with air defense improvements for hezbollah, that will allow hezbollah to act more or less with a greater degree of immunity against israeli military installations and other israeli targets. so what i mean by that is this -- if the air defenses are stre strengthened for hezbollah, they will be more likely to engage in activities and face less risk of being attacked by israeli air assets. so it is a very important development and something that

should concern the israelis a great deal. >> colonel leighton, thank you. and breaking overnight, a big new development in the drama surrounding the artificial intelligence company openai. the company's ousted ceo sam altman is going back to the top of the company.. how did d that happepen? stick k with us.

it is not yet a hollywood movie, but i think it is close. here is what happened. another twist in the saga at openai. sam altman back at the top of the company after being fired allowing him and key deputies to be hired by microsoft. they are also a huge investor in openai. and so a bit of a whiplash. >> the company said it reach an agreement in principle to rehire altman. and they will have a new board of directors. anna stewart is live for us in london. >> reporter: yeah, four ceos in four days, the most surprising turn of events really. but i would say this morning programs the least surprising development of it all that sam altman now back at ceo. because that is because nearly the entire workforce had signed an open letter to the board saying if they didn't reinstate sam altman, they would move to microsoft where he had been given a new job and so that will

leave really no openai back. greg brockman was also fired and he is another co-founder and i think that you will appreciate the photo he posted saying we are back. and you can see the crowd of employees clearly very happy. so altman will return but not quite to the same openai. because the board of course had to change. one of the biggest changes is two board members have gone, one who oversaw his firing adam de'angelo will remain which i think is interesting. one of the replacements is former u.s. treasury larry summers as well. and who else is on the board remains to be seen. what is very interesting is what all of this means, both for sam altman and also microsoft. as you mentioned one of the biggest investors in openai offered altman and brockman a job monday and also offered 700

plus employee as job. and so this has strengthened that partnership at this stage and i think that it is highly likely that microsoft will have some sort of governance position at openai. which that is a seat on the board, we'll have to wait and see. >> that will be the next chapter in the saga. anna stewart, thanks. governor desantis scoring a big endorsement in iowa, we'll look at the impact on the race there. and we're continuing this morning to follow the breaking news of the hostage negotiations between israel and hamas when the exchanges could begin and who could bebe released.d. that is s ahead.

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i'm thrilled to throw my support behind governor ron desantis of florida. >> governor ron desantis in need of a little boost there. the key endorsement, evangelical endorsement in iowa, 54 days to go until the iowa caucuses. the family leader which is incredibly influential for republicans in the hawkeye

state. >> he endorsed mike huckabee, rick santorum and ted cruz. none went on to win the nomination. and joining us now is deputy chief of staff for the democratic strategist and former executive director of the democratic party. and also at the table ron brownstein. you do such a great job of reminding us how history informs us going forward. so we just mentioned how important this is in the iowa caucuses but none of those folks went to win the nomination. what does this mean after the governor of iowa also getting behind desantis? >> yeah, this will be useful for desantis without question, but there is a very clear pattern in those last three races. huckabee, santorum, cruz, they all won iowa with the same strategy that desantis is following of really burrowing in, visiting all the 9 co9 couns and focusing on consolidating

the support from evangelical christians. but once they were painted in to that corner, essentially they had a lot of trouble reaching out to voters beyond that group. they all immediately cratered in new hampshire. none even won 12% of the vote. desantis looks like he is on that same road where he is polling in single digits and unless that he can do better at broadening his appeal, he faceis the same risk that nickki haley has positioned in south carolina and new hampshire to eclipse him whatever happens in iowa. and the iowa republican leadership does not want trump, but they have chosen to put their chips on desantis despite all the problems that he's faced as a candidate, they kind of lost the opportunity perhaps to boost someone else particularly heilly. >> haley. >> and he said it is hard to beat trump. so he wants it to work.

and he is all in. >> and it makes sense. especially the topic of abortion, and this is the evangelical poll there in iowa, and so being able to reach across for a generational election is pretty near possible for republicans. and we're seeing that play out as far as the country goes. the rest of the country is not where that portion of the republican party is. until they get a handle on how to talk about it, what is the federal government's role, they will continue to lose. >> ask we turn to this reporting by cnn's kay that talks about what mike johnson has said about the landmark supreme court ruling in date oobbs and the br issue of rights in this country, specifically substantive due process rights and how the court

had grounded roe and where the court said no, no, you don't have that right? let's listen. >> there has been some really bad law made. they have made a mess of the jurisprudence the last several decades. and maybe some of that needs to be cleaned up. what justice thomas is calling for is not radical. in fact the opposite of that. >> well, let me read what thomas actually wrote because many people would see it as radical and life-changing for millions and millions of americans. this was in his dobbs concurrence. for that reason in future cases with she reconould reconsider a the substance due process. >> and to me, it is very scary stuff. it harkens back to some of his interpretations that is the speaker's interpretation of some of this goes back to some of the

original thinking in this country which is incredibly scary. but what he has is criminalize doctors and women. and when you tie it to some of the conversation that we just had in terms of being able to stretch across to democrats in a general election, there are many republicans that are trying to find a way to be better general election candidates. when you have someone like the speaker with these kinds of comments and the fact that if not the leadership but the grass roots republicans are sticking with donald trump, there seems to be this larger inability to be able to shed a lot of this rhetoric and a lot of these policies. >> and just so people know, that was johnson right after the dobbs decision, june of '22. >> and it is naive to believe that those kind of views would not eventually find some expression in policy if republicans had unified control in washington.

and what we've seen since 2020 is extraordinary rollback of rights in red states. voting rights, abortion, lgbtq, book bans. there are proposals from the republicans to nationalize all of those red state initiatives. so basically impose those red state laws on blue states. the speaker has sponsored some of them. national do"don't say gay" law. if they have the ability do this, you will see on some of those fronts leading an effort to impose on blue states the rights rollback that has unfolded in red states. >> and johnson's office says that he views them as settled law but clear that he disagrees with a lot of the decisions. and in an interview in 2008 end of the aclu, they have convinced an entire generation of americans that there is this, his words, so-called prags of ch separation of church and state. which speaks to your point about where the country may be and where johnson and those he is

with in their thinking where they are. >> as a conservative, i'm a conservative because i believe in a smaller more accountable government. and what this faction of the republican party has been doing is saying half of the population doesn't have medical freedom, that is big government. they are not following the conservative values that i signed up for. so i haven't changed. the republican party is changing. and i really think that they need to be called out for the contradictions that they are putting forth by imposing their will on the people. >> the real question is where is the court on this one. that will determine everything. thank yo u guys. 150 or so palestinians held