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hate, but also that -- you know, it's becoming a brand threat to company to say i advertise on twitter. >> reporter: this mess has put increasing pressure on x's new ceo lynn be da yakarino to resign. she defends the company saying x has been misrepresented he in all of this. analysts say she can't control her boss, the man who bought twitter for $44 billion last year. >> musk put her in place but he has not conceded control. he continues to tweet whatever he wants. sometimes when he sees something where something would be anti-semetic information, he tweets out his instant response. he tweets in the middle of the night. he doesn't think this stuff through. >> elon musk maintains he's not anti-semetic and the x platform has removed the ability of pro nazi accounts to monetize.
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musk has slammed his critics. he's filed suit against media matters which says it stands by its reporting. wolf? >> brian todd reporting for us. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. "out front" next, breaking news. israel says there will be no hostages released until friday at the earliest. a pause in fighting is also delayed. speak to the father of an american woman who could be one of the hostages released. plus, is this a hamas command center? israel releasing what they found under gaza's largest hospital. breaking tonight, new details on what caused a car to explode at a u.s. border checkpoint.
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i'm kate bolduan in for erin burnett "out front." no hostages to be released before friday and no pause in the fighting until then. to be clear, up until a few hours ago for the -- israel was planning for the first of 50 hostages to be released in just under eight hours from now and those 50 hostages are expected to be women and children. u.s. officials say they have a working list of who they believe likely is to be released, including three americans. little abigail edom is one of them. her fourth birthday is friday. in a moment i'm going to speak with the father of another american cap tage held by hamas. benjamin netanyahu said they will be allowed to visit and provide medical care. le in exchange can we swap and
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netanyahu says this temporary stoppage will not last. israel's war with hamas is not over. >> translator: citizens of israel, i'd like to be clear. the war continues. the war continues. we will continue with it until all our goals are achieved, to bring back our hostages, to me lisch -- what are are you learning about the 24 hour delay in the deal? >> it's taking place. we don't know exactly why it is but we know hostages aren't going to be releaserd but i
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think it will not go ahead. perhaps that will be pushed another 24 hours as well. we don't know the reasons for it. israeli officials have told cnn it's very small details. you can imagine logistical complications in getting a hostage release of this magnitude together in a place like gaza, which has been badly destroyed at the course of the last several weeks of israeli bombardments. that may be a factor. it's also been suggested that there isn't -- there's been no signing of a deal yet by any of the parties, by hamas or by israel or by qatar. and so all of these may be complicating factors that have just set this back to a period beyond where we thought it was going to start. doesn't mean it's not going to be derailed. no one is suggesting that. it will go ahead when we have
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it. it's particularly involved with the families, loved ones, hoos stages. waiting painfully for those to happen. >> matthew, chasten be a ratings game. it's not guaranteed in 24 hours all of this is going to happen. >> it's not guaranteed, no. i mean, this seems to be an impetus with this thing happening. it is logistically possible. that's not to say this isn't going to happen. already we've got guidance from israeli officials about how they anticipate this will take place. there will be a movement of israeli hostages out of gaza through the rafah crossing. i'm told in three different
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locations that children amongst those hostages that have been released who are under the age of 12 years old will be met at the border by their loved ones, their families. others above the age of 12 will go straight on to hospital where everybody will be taken and depending on that monday condition. the israelis are making plans for this reception, this hostage release to take place. they've got the flip side of this deal. 150 or so prisoners held in israeli jails, they'll be released from three different israeli jails back to where they originally came from, mainly i'm told in the west bank. >> not only does this complicate things. great reporting. thank you so much.
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so the biden administration is hopeful that three americans are among this group to be released. this woman was kidnapped from a kibbutz. following me is her father. >> are you hopeful your daughter will be one that will be released? >> i made it clear i will not get caught up in hamas's mind games. i'll be happy when i see my daughter released. until then, i'm not building any particular hope or any
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particular outcome. we saw as you described in your opening the hostage release was delayed by a day. we were informed of this by the idf. we were told this and this isn't news to me. okay. it is what it is. >> you can control, you can control, which is essentially it seems like how you feel and your emotions in this moment because others have described it as being on such an emotional roller coaster because it's hard to maintain. you're dealing with a terrorist organization which cannot be trusted, it seems like it must be the only place to be. >> it's worked for my wife and i up until now and that will continue to be the key to be
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able to be functioning throughout this deal. >> have you allowed you and your wife to think about seeing her again, what you want to say to her in the belief and hope she will be released? >> first of all, the process -- the technical process has been pretty well explained by the army so it's a very controlled violent and so she'll be taken to a hospital, i imagine. not clear which one and the army will ensotomayor that we get to meet her. obviously there will be a debriefing of some sort. i'm assuming that in this case
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american authorities will want to speak with her and then she's free. she'll have to decide where she wants to hang out until she's ready to move on. there are also three children involved here. >> that's what i was going to ask you. how are the boys doing? >> everyone's fine. all the kids are fine. there are two boys and a girl, a woman. >> oh, i'm sorry. >> they're all made in their parents' mold. they're strong, stoic and they are handling the situation rather well to be perfectly honest. >> i heard you say in a previous interview that your daughter is afraid of nothing and that she is tough, something that she did he have anily will need to do.
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based on what we know of this deal, her husband will still remain a hostage. i mean, how do you deal with that? >> based on their report they're supposed to be access by the red cross and treatment if necessary so at least we'll know and have some information on what the situation is. then i assume the israeli government and citizens involved in securing the release of the hostages will have to decide how to move forward. >> thank you for coming on and
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speaking with us tonight. >> okay. sure. thank you. joining me also now is chris o'leary. a former fbi agent. chris, this pause in fighting, this delay, what do you read into it? >> i think it's probably just logistics. i think there's too much innesh shah on this deal to have it not go through. i think israel has signed off on it and it's to hamas's benefit. i don't think they'll renege. they're a neighborhood we can be doing it for effect. it could be logistics. it's a war zone. it's gaza. had a 345 r mass had are a very
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terrorist organization that are happen hards ar. >> the first couple days of the hostage release will be treateds the way it's skriebt as a testing period. what exactly does that mean in hope? is it trying to establish any kind of, quote, unquote, level of trust to see if this actually can continue. >> that's. that's what it is. if i'm israel and i've neg negotiated fighting with a negotiated deal especially when you spend your lifer pursuing them but this is the world we're in. this is what israel has to face right now. remember six weeks ago.
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you're putting it aside so you can get up to 50 victims out. >> the red cross factor of this it. when red cross said they can go in after these 50. he said it was to demolish hamas. how does the red cross assistance work given that? >> it's extremely legitimate. they can assess the stat tajs, who were there, identify them. hamas is not a nation state, not
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a legitimate country if there is a traditional combatants on each side. i have been through irm and i think we talked earlier, hostage v violence is against the convention. that's number one. even if hamas were a significant fighting force, it's against the geneva convention. th red cross comes in, they get to visit prisoners of war. although i'm happy the red cross is getting to go in because we're going to be able to get way more information and get the status of people, it's giving hamas some will he gate ma si. >> very interesting. good to see you. out front" next.
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squloo women and children are being held hostage. even after the hostage release the vast majority still being held captive still remains in question. the white house saying president biden has been, quote, personally engaged in negotiations. alex marquardt is out front in washington. what are you learning about the status negotiations by the rest of the hostages being held hostages? >> reporter: we've heard repeatedly they say they will not rest until the rest of the american hostages come out. aside from the u.s. and children, the u.s. will stay very engaged. those conversations have not begun in it earnest yet. the main focus has been on getting these women and children
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out, making sure it is believed. the most recent negotiations were to get the women and children out, that's assuming all goes to plan mpts i was speaking with an official who told me this first swap of 50 people is the most crucial to make sure that this mechanism is working as was agreed. assuming this goes smoothly you then have, as you say, the vast majority of hostages who remain. they fall into three distinct buckets. you have men who are both elderly and nonisraeli nationals. then you have both men and women, peerp who were killed on october. u.s.-israeli officials believe the biggest issue is around the israeli soldiers.
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no one has forgotten guilacele. so it is possible the conversations about the rest of the hostages could be soon. >> i've heard weeks, months how it's described to me by a couple of people today. good to see you. still kept in. given what we know about this, it does seem unlikely that they have thrived in this moments. what does this moment feel like for you? >> i think it's two polls.
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the first poll is assuming that hamas can deliver on its programs year, that these 50 million people. from my kibbutz alone, there are still 75 hostages being held by hamas of the 107 tim tebow. there are multiple children, women, moms. these are all my neighbors, my kids' flaunds. and it's like my extended family coming home. if it's sireferred to at all, 1 hostages, in this straj of the
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agreement. it's almost impossible to say given hamas has eye by baron curve with no rafrd for human life. what this current stage might say about stages. >> do you allow yourself to think about that moment when you will see sigi again? it seems like -- i keep thinking of this, jonathan, because it's like this suspended -- the moment of us being suspended. i feel like it's nearly 7 weeks since that horrible, horrible day. i will allow you to measure this. >> there's certainly no way to
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measure. i can visualize two little girls running -- leaping into his arms when he comes home. in hopes that he comes home quickly, but if not, meeting his third little girl who was said to get that. i absolutely have to get that as something i'm working towards together with the release of all of the hostages. >> his poor wife and what she's going through and about to bring another beautiful child into the world in the midst of this. up believable. how is she doing? how is the rest of the family handles this news, right now, of the deal? >> well, we're doing the best we can. it's a multi-level crisis really -- >> yeah. >> -- because not just of her family, wife and two young daughters, but i have another young daughter who lives on the
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kipbutz. so they were ultimately traumatized by the sun and earth. so missing our loved ones. those that were murdered, all of my great grandkids from 2 to 6 who are hong ger got it. i'm dealing with that. we have to deal with the fact that our community. not just were mass so he curd, we will all of their properties stolen and then whatever could not be looted was burned to the ground. so there's no going home for any of these kids or adults. it's a series of tragedies that
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for us as really civilians, for the palestine yal sells and it was by hamas's making. we keep ourselves busy thinking what the future will bring for us and for me personally. keeping laser attention focussed on this hue manage any taryn issue and broken challenge in the hands of hamas. takings care of the little ones in the best way we can helping make sure of it. >> it's impossible to make sense of. jonathan, thank you so much. good to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you. youth front for us next, what does the sudden delay in the hostage exchange and truce mean for tomorrow's military
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tonight the idf says it found two more tunnel shafts under the al shifah hospital in gaza. the same hospital they say hamas has used as a command post. the idf also releasing new videos which it says is further evidence of hamas infrastructure below the hospital you're seeing this now. listen. >> we can see a small kitchen,
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so we will provide the food, water, et cetera. all of these facilities of food and water are coming from the hospital meaning they're using the hospital infrastructures. they're using this in order to provide this terror mechanism to stay alive and survive. >> the videos also show electricity throughout the tunnel shafts and even bedrooms. the videos were distributed by the idf and cnn is unable to verify these. we have the international spokesperson for idf. thank you for coming back in. the more time your soldiers are staying at the shifah hospital, what are you finding? what do you think it shows? >> hi. thank you for having me. what we are finding is additional proof and proof and proof of what we have been saying all along, that hamas
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uses hospitals in gaza, all the hospitals in gaza for a military purpose. they have been lying about this from day one. we have been speaking the truth and we have showed it with visuals from the qatari hospital and now more so from the shifah hospital. they've used it in order to hold our hostages are there. when they run military operations they are the ones that are actively endangering there. it is very rae gettable and ever since we shared this information, this footage, i'm waiting for organizations to come clean. i'm waiting for the world health organization, for the palestinian red crescent, for unra and for many other
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organizations that were fast to criticize us for our military operations. i'm waiting for them to say, yes, idf, you were right, we were wrong. hamas has been using hospitals in violation of humanitarian law and they should be condemned for it. >> speaking of military operations, what doles this delay in the truce for at least 24 hours mean for your military operations in gaza in relation to this hostage agreement? >> it doesn't mean too much because we understand what type of an organization we're dealing with. this is an organization that has a proven track record of violating u.n. brokered sees fires and other agreements so it's not a surprise there are last-minute changes and complications. our posture on the ground and the order to the troops on the grouped be is to continue to operate, to be vigilant whenever and hopefully it will but
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whenever the agreement comes into effect and we will be able to get these hostages back, we know we will have to be very vigilant on the ground. until then we continue to operate. we have a clear goal at task and we are going to continue to attack hamas and their infrastructure. >> the head of moussad said it will be hard to ramp back up once this truce sets in. do you agree with that analysis? >> you know, on the ground it is a dynamic situation and the pausing operations can be challenging. we've seen that in the past. of course, we would rather continue operations and keep the pressure on hamas. we see that this pressure is effective. we see that they are losing a lot of combat capabilities as we continue to fight in the densely
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prepared urban terrain, which is a good thing. stopping isn't ideal but that is something we are more than willing to do because extremely facilitate the safe return of at least 50 israeli women and children that have been held by hamas for 47 days. it is a legitimate concern. the word is to be vigilant and varied. i hope successfully completed. it is to dismantle all of hamas infrastructure in gaza. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. "out front" with me now, the former director of massaad. you heard my conversation with c
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conricus, he doesn't think with a pause it won't make it harder to resume war with hamas. what do you say to that? >> well, i'm sure he's entitled to his own opinion. my view, i think there is a clear possibility once you slow down, to rev up again is not always automatic. i think there is more and more evidence that the international community would like this war to come to an end one way or another. i think that certain president of the united states is of the opinion as best i understood it, the quicker it is possible to cease hostilities in the gaza strip, the better.
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i think hamas has suffered extremely heavy losses. i think hamas's capabilities have been certainly curtailed as much as we were able to do this. the whether it be possible to remove hamas from the face of the earth as the prime minister netanyahu would like to happen and to bring hamas to a point where it will say that it is no longer a viable military presence in the gaza strip, that remains to be seen. >> i was going to ask you if you think that's possible, to demolish hamas as netanyahu spoke about today. >> i think it is desirable. i'm not sure it is possible. hamas has been there for a very long time. it has an international aura to it as well. it's not only in gaza, it's in other places in the middle east.
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they have a presence in qatar, for instance, which is now very active in bringing about the agreement on the exchange of the hostages and prisoners. but hamas has also been for a long time one of the main players on the political scene, politically and not only militarily. i think this is something which might last much longer than just this particular round ever hostilities. >> thank you for your time. thank you for coming in. >> thank you. "out front" for us next, new details about the explosion at the u.s.-canada border. what does video of the blast reveal this evening? plus, now back in the united states, wewe hear how w one man mananaged to escscape the mamas in israel.l.
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breaking news. no signs of terrorism. that's the news after a car exploded on a bridge with the u.s. border of can ada. surveillance video captured part of what happened. two people were killed inside that car. this happened on the rainbow bridge near niagara falls in upstate, new york. brynn gingras is with us.
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this shut down the border for hours and they're calling for massive response. what do you think officials are looking for? >> they're looking to piece together what happened. what they believe right now is the driver of that car is a western new york resident and they believe that person was driving at a very high rate of speed for some reason that car hitting a curb and then going airborne, jumping several feet over a fence into a checkpoint there at that border crossing. so that's what explains some of that confusion as to where that car was coming from initially when this was being reported. now we know that the debris field of this explosion, it stretches across several toll booths of that area according to the governor, and there is really only the engine intact of that car. we also know from sources that they identified the two people inside that car. like i said, the driver, a resident of new york, and they're able to look into that
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person's social media. that's one of the reasons why they don't believe there is any terrorist threat here. it's important to underscore that. but as you mentioned, two people were killed here and, again, right now at this time when it is heightened security all around this state in particular it, again, is important to underscore no terrorist threat related to this. it seems to be some sort of accident that likely could have happened but investigation continues. >> bryn, thank you for that. an israeli man shares his story about his miraculous survival amid the success of a shoulder. >> he killed him on the spot. and north korea says its new spy satellite is ready to go.
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♪ love is in the air ♪ >> this is a video from the body itself. listen to the music, how absurd it is. this is more. >> hi. >> hi. >> reporter: one of his best friends, she will be dead in just a few hours. dawn broke. hamas terrorists were approaching in boats, the israeli navy in pursuit. hamas landed on the beach. ariel and his friends hid between two shipping containers. >> we hear the bullets hitting the metal containers. i will never forget the sound. >> reporter: they would have gone to the bomb shelter if she had known there was one. everyone else on the beachheaded there, where there is instagram video of them hiding. >> one minute after we left the
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shore, the hamas went to the shelter killed everyone there. they killed everyone. >> reporter: hamas filled the horror. >> you didn't know this at that time? >> no. i hear the gunshots. i hear the screams. i hear everything, and it was terrible. >> reporter: ariel and his friends ran until they reached an idf base. eventually, they were let in. some sent farewell messages to their parents. ariel did not. >> if i would be dead, which i thought is most likely, at least they will have a few more hours without knowing that. we decided that we needed to get out of there, so we ran to the -- the terrorists came out of the bushes and started firing at us at close range. luckily for us, the soldier -- it was us. he just shot two -- and killed him on the spot. >> reporter: they saw an israeli police check point. >> we see a dying body on the
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ground dressed in black. suddenly the dead body wakes upholding an ak-47, and a terrorist just firing at us. >> reporter: so, he was dressed as an israeli cop. >> yes. and one of my friends got hit in the shoulder by a bullet. the other bullet went right above her head and shaved some of her hair. >> shaved her hair? >> shaved her hair. >> reporter: eventually, they reached an actual israeli check point, his injured friends taken to the hospital. i told you, ariel's friend, mo, would die. >> at 6:47, she is calling her mom. she's telling her she's in the shelter she will get home soon. that was her last contact with her. because when she went out of the shelter, they just shot her dead. i made it to two that day. 20 out of 21. we went 21, and we got back 20. looks like holocaust numbers
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from auschwitz. >> reporter: he came here after he saw what was happening here, in america. >> and people are removing their david stars and removing every jewish sign they have. i will say to you, this is germany? no. this is the united states of 2023. and it's starting to look similar to that, and i'm very worried. >> reporter: now, ariel says he has no issue with the palestinian people, no hatred for them. in fact, he hates to see them suffering as they are now. he was called up, he was in this fight, when he decided, after seeing the anti-semitism being directed at jews, the blame being directed at jews, he decided to come to the u.s. to tell his story. his message, this is not mean israelis and palestinians.
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about, rising tensions on the korean peninsula. north korea claims big progress in its satellite program. supreme leader kim jong-un appearing triumphant in state media, posing for propaganda cameras, with a team of north korean scientists and engineers, celebrating an apparently successful third attempt to put a spy satellite into orbit, two failed launches earlier this year. pyongyang promises more satellite launches in the near future, satellites crucial to improving the accuracy of north korea's intercontinental ballistic missile program, a program banned by the united nations security council, possibly perfected by the help of russian rocket scientists. kim and putin's september summit at this russian space launch complex signaling moscow's growing support, a partnership
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providing putin with badly needed north korean weapons, arming russian soldiers on the battlefields of ukraine. putin told state media reporters russia would help north korea launch its satellites and rockets, saying, that's exactly why we came here. japanese authorities issued an emergency warning, what they believed to be a satellite carrying ballistic missile soaring over okinawa. >> translator: today north korea conducted a launch using ballistic missile technology. >> reporter: the japanese prime minister condemning the launch. swift reactions from south korea. seoul suspending military packs with the north. >> translator: the north korean regime is entirely responsible for this situation. >> reporter: a troubling sign even for locals, who live every day under threat from the nuclear armed north. >> translator: the successful launch of knee yaes spy satellite means that their technology has improved that much. >> reporter: we're at north
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korea's brand-new satellite control center -- in 2015, i met with senior officials at north korea's control center. they insisted their purpose was peaceful space exploration, even expressing outrage about ongoing speculation. >> translator: our peaceful launch was not a threat yesterday, a threat to you today, and it won't be a threat to you tomorrow. >> reporter: tomorrow has arrived, and this may be just the beginning. >> and tonight, signs that tensions are already flaring up. just hours ago, north korea tried and failed to launch another ballistic missile from their capital area. and kate, we need to check very carefully in the coming days whether this spy satellite can conduct reconnaissance over places like hawaii, guam, japan, where u.s. military has more than 50,000 troops stationed. >> a whole new side of this tension that nobody needs right now. it's good to see you, will. thank you so much. thank you all so much fo
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