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hello, welcome to our viewers joining us from all around the world for our breaking coverage. i am paula newton and you are. first up this hour, israel's temporary truce with hamas and the expected release of hostages held in gaza is delayed. israel now says the process will not start before friday. that update came just hours before humanitarian pauses in fighting in the initial release of 50 and women children hostages was expected. both u.s. and israeli officials
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point to logistical details as for the delay, while one israeli official says israel has not yet received the names of the first hostages to be freed. now, ahead of the expected truce, israeli forces continue ground and air operations, striking parts of northeastern and central gaza. palestinians say areas further south were also hit. meantime, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu expressed confidence the deal would soon go into effect, and made clear at the war against hamas is far from over. listen. >> [speaking in a non-english language] , >> reporter: citizens of israel work continues. the war continues. we will continue with it until all our goals are achieved. to bring back the hostages, to demolish hamas, and ensure that the day afterward, there is no souls that educates terror to children and make terrorists.
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>> amid all that, the agonizing wait will continue for hundreds of families and loved ones to come home. cnn's chief international correspondent cluster ward reports now from tel aviv. >> reporter: even as the first batch of hostages is poised to be released, they are not backing down. look at their eyes, this protester says. tell them every day that you're doing everything that it takes. for 47 days, friends, family members and supporters of the estimated 240 hostages in gaza have demanded the israeli government prioritize bringing them home. here, they gather in support of hadas calderon, whose children, 12-year-old erez and 16-year-old saar were taken on october 7th along with her ex husband. >> tell me what you're going to now, are you hopeful, are you anxious, are you in denial?
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>> i smile, i laugh, and then i cry, and then i -- >> do you know anything? have you heard anything? >> nobody knows anything, nobody. nobody, no information. i have to pray, we have to pray. >> reporter: calderon is not the only parent desperately waiting, hoping for news that has yet to come. nine-year-old emily hand's father thomas was initially told that his daughter was killed on october 7th, only to then get the news that she may be alive and held in gaza. i want to jump through the roof with hope, he told us today about the possible prospect of emily's release,, but i also had to keep a level head emotionally. >> every day is tough. every day, all day is tough, but i don't want to think, i don't want to feel, because it's too painful. when they start to ask me, show
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me the picture of your child, tell me what last thing he told you -- it's breaking my heart. because the last thing he told me was, mom, be quiet, i love you. >> when you think of, god willing, your baby comes home and is part of the release, do you worry about how they will be changed by what they have been experiencing? >> they are changed, they've been kidnapped, brutally away from the house, from the same place. they kidnapped the innocent this day. >> reporter: at the central hostage square in tel aviv, prayers for those who will come home over the next few days,
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and a promise to keep pushing for those who will not. clarissa ward, cnn, tel aviv. >> for more on this, we want to bring in new decor and who met earlier this week with israeli prime minister netanyahu. gorence cousin is one of the hostages, the father that you see there, of three young children who was abducted from a kibbutz near -- on october 7th. i really want to thank you for joining us on what must be incredibly excruciating hours for you and your family. tell me how you are feeling now that there has been this delay. >> it is -- what can i say, you know? the families who are expecting their children back thought they might see them today, and they're not. they might see them tomorrow. there is no guarantee, it has already been postponed. this is torment. for me, personally, i was not
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expected to be released on this deal, so it may be a little easier, but i am expecting these people to come back home just as much as anyone else. >> people, you and people like you, have said that any kind of exchange would be a blessing and have optimism for all. you have been fighting very hard, you have been very vocal about trying to get answers, action. we just mentioned you met with netanyahu. yet, you heard from him as we just heard as well, that he says the goal of destroying hamas is an equal footage as returning the hostages. if this exchange succeeds, do you think it won't make that position much more difficult for him? >> you know, the problem with any speculation that we are trying to make is that we are missing probably 95% of the information that is confidential and we just don't
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know it. i can only tell you what my desires is, and my higher desire is this deal would be immediately to another one and eight another one, and everybody would be back. we keep hearing and at this point, we must believe in our leaders, that are leading this move, and we keep hearing that a deal that will bring everyone back at once is not on the table. so, it would have to be in steps. this is step one. if this is step one, then this means that step two is now closer and i just want to see step one already happening and then start thinking about step to. >> understood. many to believe that this will put more pressure on israel to do what you just described, right? have this gradual release. in that context, do you support a cease-fire and releasing hundreds, maybe even thousands of palestinian hostages to get
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your cousin back? free all the hostages? >> i support anything, anything that would get the hostages back and would not immediately risk israeli lives. anything. i think that everything should be on the table. we must choose life before we choose anything else, before we choose the annihilation of our enemies. our lives must come first for anything else. this is what differentiates us from our enemies, that we hold different values. this is the only way to actually rebuild israel after this catastrophe and moving forward. so, that's principle is what we have to stick to and prove it. so, yes, everything that would get every single hostage, not just my cousin, not just kids, not just elderly, every single hostage, must be back in israel before we can move forward.
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>> there are israeli politicians, and i know you heard them long in here, that say this would set a dangerous precedent, that at a very basic level, what you are saying would mean hamas's terror worked, they reached their goals. do you agree with that sentiment at all? >> i think we need to start rethinking our terminology. hamas won on october 7th. they won because they were able to hurt us in a way nobody else did. from now on, we must think about how we will defeat them long term. because if we rebuilt israel, if we bring the hostages back, if in five years from now the area around gaza is prosperous and people are living there and growing crops and the communities are back. that's the only way to win. because right now, our national pride is not the priority. we need to start thinking long
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term, long term, five years from now. how this country will rebuild itself. right now, it is admitting that we have lost on october 7th is reality. we hurt our civilians far more than three do. back to our core principles. >> well, we'll leave it there. i know these are excruciating hours ahead for everyone. we continue to watch, wait, and hope with all of you. thank you so much. >> thank you very much. >> joining us now, cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. it is good to see you, david, as we await what is going to be happening with this hostage deal. of course, the agony the families continue to go through, they are showing such resilience, but as far as you understand, the biden administration have worked very hard to get here.
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what do you think -- how do you think they are looking at this deal. they must be on pins and needles. there are still a lot of risks involved, here. >> well, there are. happy thanksgiving, bala. thanks for having me on. i think they are entering a pretty risky phase. they are -- there are three categories of risk. the first is that something goes wrong. we are dealing with hamas, we are dealing with a war zone. you can imagine any number of things going wrong, we all hope and pray that doesn't happen and they get shot 50 out and it sounds to us like that process probably would start on friday. the second risk is, what are you doing when the four days is up? do you ten try to get 20 more? even if you know the price will go up? for that next 20?
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how long do you pull that out. remember, we think that even after the 50, there will still be nearly 200 hostages. then, the third question and maybe hardest one of all, if you are the israelis, how do you restart the bombing. how do you do what president netanyahu did, which was resume a war when you have just been coming off of a pause or a temporary truce, depending on who is describing its. >> these are great points, david. i have to ask, our reporting at cnn does say that perhaps the united states believes that israel could have gotten further by delaying their ground invasion and first negotiating for hostages. from what you have heard, does the administration still believe that would have been a better route for israel at this point in time? >> hard to tell. you are wanting the clock back
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more than a month, and if you hear the israelis tell it, the only thing that brought hamas to the table was the vision of this constant bombing. if you hear some americans [inaudible] maybe save some lives if they hadn't gone in such a heavyweight at the beginning. it is one of those points of history we will just never know. >> yes, u.s. officials must have determined at a certain point they would not be able to convince israel to do otherwise. you raise such a good point about how if this is successful and we do, think, felicia hostages being freed and there is the pause, aid goes into gaza, you just said it is difficult to understand how israel's been going to undertake the war, yet again. given that, how much do you think the u.s. will press
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israel to continue with this if it is successful? i mean, we are told that the next category of hostages to be released maybe elderly men. >> i think the u.s. will press the israelis behind the scenes very hard. they already have been pressing them hard to reduce the civilian casualties and so forth, that tension is pretty well broken out in public at this point. the u.s. is worried as well about a good number of dual citizens and u.s. citizens who were there from everything we are hearing, you will not see many of those, maybe two or three including a young toddler in this first group. so, they have every incentive to do so. but you know,, polity fundamental problem here is that there is a tension between israel's two primary goals in this military operation. one of their goals is to get
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the hostages released, all of them. the other goal is to destroy hamas. hamas knows that it needs some group of hostages in hand to have leverage over israel, otherwise they would be pursued in whatever bombing campaigns the israelis wanted to conduct. so, what you are seeing happen right now is israel having to choose behind -- between, two very important strategic objectives, and the question is, which one takes priority? >> yes, such difficult questions and again, you and i continue to discuss it, as many people to around the world, yet those families are waiting on every single minute to see what news comes from gossip their loved ones. unimaginable, right, david? just to have toddlers, children captive after all this time.
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on that note, david -- >> a toddler whose parents were killed. >> and siblings still alive, traumatized, waiting for their little sister to come home. david sanger, on that note, we will leave it there. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still to come for us, palestinians in gaza can -- share their thoughts as pending calls for a permanent cease-fire c continue toto grow.
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gossip residents say they are ready for the coming pause in fighting between israel and hamas, which is expected to take place friday even if it is just for a few days. the idf continued its attacks on northern gaza, even after the true still was announced. cnn crews you see there in israel witnessed explosions, flares, and smoke right across the border late wednesday. with israel's prime minister pledging the war will continue once the truce has ended, palestinians say they really need a permanent cease-fire. listen. >> translator: we have been waiting for over a week. we have been waiting for a cease-fire every day. cease-fire, cease-fire, and nothing was happening. i do not know. >> translator: the cease-fire should be comprehensive all over the gaza strip. sometimes, the israelis make false promises and kill children without adhering to anything. we want to comprehensive cease-fire so that people can get their needs from gas to flower. >> now, hamas says the true
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steel will also allow hundreds of trucks to bring aid into gaza. many palestinians are still wary of what is to come. some say the truce will do little to make up for the damage that is already been done. after weeks of unimaginable grief and loss, they simply want to rebuild their lives. cnn's nada bashir shows as the grim reality of everyday life in gaza, and a warning, her report contains disturbing images. >> >> translator: the gaza strip, pounded for yet another night. in the maghazi neighborhood in central gaza, wounded are rushed to a nearby hospital. children, badly injured, barely breathing. medical staff overwhelmed, struggling to cope with the mounting casualties and growing humanitarian disaster. in the south, more unbearable
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grief. bodies wrapped in white. >> members of the colusa and a bass families, old and young, killed and a strike on their building in cannes eunice. their lives trapped short, varied just hours after israel's cabinet agreed to pause fighting later this week in exchange for the release of 50 hostages. the truce will be a crucial window to get much-needed aid into gaza, but for those who have already lost so much, the news has brought little hope. >> translator: what kind of twos are they discussing? a truce to allow some aid in, may sarah oscars. we don't want that. we will manage with red, what we truly want is not a truce for aid, but our homes back. we want to return to our streets. what is the point of a truce if i can't return to my home, if i
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can't check on my children, parents, or businesses, saddam says. this truce is pointless. we have been sleeping on the streets for 45 days. we have no shelter, no home, nowhere to seek refuge. in the south, the very place people are told to evacuate to to seek refuge, more buildings are turned to rubble overnight. countless graves being dug each day, the death toll now topping 12,000, according to the palestinian ministry of health, citing data from hamas controlled gaza. [crying] another desperate plea to god, another child killed. relatives struggling to cope. their grief, feared to only get worse. israel's prime minister vowing the war will continue after the true sense. with it, more bloodshed. nada bashir, cnn, in jerusalem.
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>> hundreds of mourners in beirut have paid their respects to two lebanese journalists killed on tuesday. the news outlet they were working for, out may dean, says the crew was killed and an israeli airstrike in southern lebanon, claiming they were targeted because of the networks pro-palestinian stance. the idf says it is reviewing the incidents and notes the area in question is dangerous with a dip hostilities. the committee to protect journalists, meantime, says at least 52 journalists have now been killed in the israel hamas war since it began on october 7th. the group says it is the deadliest period for journalists since it started tracking data in 1992. qatar says it was extremely difficult to get israel and hamas to agree to the hostage release deal now. and its own words, qatar's lead negotiator gives us insight into the ongoing process to free more hostages.
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its deal with hamas. israel's pause in the air and ground campaign in gaza is also delayed. hamas is expected to release at least 50 women and children over the next few days, and israel has agreed to a four-day pause in fighting. hundreds of palestinians held in israeli jails are also set to be released. israeli prime minister netanyahu says the red cross will be allowed to visit hostages that remain in gaza. the white house says the delay is due to what it calls logistical details. listen. >> well, we are not going into this with hubris or arrogance or confidence. we are grateful that we were able to get this deal secured, but as i said, it all now comes down to execution. so, we are -- nobody is doing any touchdown dancing, here. there is still work to be done and a long way to go. we are hoping, hoping, that implementation will start sometime in the next 24 hours or so and continue for the next few days, both days of a pause,
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work there will be no fighting. so humanitarian assistance can get in at an elevated rate. and of course, getting all those 50 plus hostages out. they will come out in increments, they won't all come out together. that is what this is a multi day process. >> qatar's lead negotiator says the work as hostage mediators was extremely, quote, intensive. in an exclusive interview with cnn's becky anderson, the qatari minister of state held the agreement as significant and offered more details about the hard-fought deal to free hostages and get humanitarian aid into gaza. >> within a four days pause, in each day, there will be an obligation on each side. an obligation on the israelis and hamas, making sure that they will fulfill the obligation each day. so each day, we aim to have a number of releases, because the number is big. we've managed to get the parties to agree on the release
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systematically. in other words, there will be an organized schedule allowing the releases each day, and each body is quite familiar now with the obligations. >> ten hostages released on day one, for example? >> at minimum. >> who will be released? >> this agreement specifically focuses on civilian women and children in each side, on both sides. we hope that within the four days, we will be able to complete the release of women and children on both sides, moving to the safe side, away from the war, by the first hours. we will be notified, of the official list of people on each day. by having that list, we will make sure that we notify either the sides of the parties themselves, or even the countries that have their hostages in the strip currently.
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>> hamas says they don't have all the hostages, and they need time to get around to gather information about hostages that it does not hold and find out where they are. many view that as just a talking point, a cynical ploy to buy time. >> the obligation on hamas and the first day is very clear. they need to provide us with that list. they have been granted that period of calm, not only the period of calm but also preventing any military clashes, a ground invasion, air surveillance, that will supply them with the room to provide us with that commitment. >> you've described in the language of this deal, you've described it as a truce in the gaza strip. i think that language is really interesting, the use of the term truce, by no means a cease-fire.
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and the fact that this is in the gaza strip, the main pillar of which is clearly the hostage release. what happens as far as humanitarian aid is concerned? what is the commitment on both sides as far as that uptick in aid is concerned? >> sure, this agreement has two major components. the first one related to the release of the hostages and the second one related to providing not only the quantity but also quality, the humanitarian aid and assistance as needed. one of the most interesting components of the aid is the fuel, and the fuel has been a debatable issue many times in that conflict. now, we've managed to secure fuel being provided for vital infrastructure such as hospitals and others. >> the israelis have been very specific. they have said that this is a truce period before it starts, hostilities will continue and very specifically, once this pause is over, the war will
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restart. is that useful in negotiations, that sort of language? >> our work is not done. we are still going to continue to talk more to the parties, to de-escalate, to seek a longer period of cease-fire. >> the israelis are not talking about a cease-fire at this point. they have categorically ruled out a cease-fire until all hostages are released. and, at present, you are not mediating any talks of any soldiers or men being held by hamas. >> listen, becky, even the temporary cease-fire was not considered in the early time by israelis. we remain hopeful. our effort is not going to stop at this level. our work is not done. we are going to continue working with both sides, hoping that we can secure the bigger objective. >> if there are families of hostages watching this
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interview today, families of hostages who are young men of serving age, what is your message about the likelihood that those israeli soldiers will be released anytime soon? >> we're doing everything that we can, as soon as both parties wants to keep seeking qatar's assistance in mediating, we will respond positively to that request. we know that our mission did not finish, and our work is continuous, for the better cause. and as you say, our hope is that we see a period where we can put an end to the war and let the people live and reduce human suffering for the people in gaza. >> as people in costly for a pause in the fighting, that is part of the hostage deal. mohammed, a palestinian teen, says he hopes the humanitarian truce is extended and becomes permanent. >> translator: i want them to
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extend this to a full humanitarian truce so we can live free and safe. four days will not be enough to bury the martyrs. even if they are able to do so, the tragedies will then resume. i wish the extent they truce and we have a permanent cease-fire. >> the 13-year-old lost eight like in an israeli airstrike in gaza. you can see he also is receiving other treatment. he is in egypt for that treatment. the teen says he was at home with his family in central gaza when a missile went through the ceiling of their home and exploded next to him, severing his leg. now, multiple u.s. border crossings into canada or shut down one state when a speeding car exploded in a fireball near the rainbow bridge crossing into niagara falls. the latest on the investigation, justst ahead.
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sulfur, which spilled and is burning, which could lead to the release of sulfur dioxide. u.s. center valley's control says the chemical can cause irritation and breathing difficulties. the railway has sent air monitoring equipment to that area. now a dramatic single car crash at the u.s. canada border on wednesday does not appear to be terrorist related. that's according to new york's governor as well as the fbi which said no explosive materials were found at the scene. details are still emerging about the circumstances behind the explosion that killed three people. cnn's brynn gingras has the latest. >> no evidence of a terrorist attack that happened at the explosion at the rainbow bridge crossing between u.s. and canadian border. what we are learning from sources is that a vehicle was traveling on a local road in niagara falls at a very high
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rate of speed before it hit a curb, went airborne, and eventually collided and exploded really into the secondary screening at that border crossing. investigators from the federal level level, state level, and local, are looking at surveillance video in that area, getting registration for that car, and tracing its movements prior to this explosion happening to get a better sense of exactly what happened. the governor actually said that the debris field of this explosion spans about 13 or 14 boots at that crossing in only an engine is left of that car. that, of course, is making this investigation go a little bit slower than typically one would go because of the size of that debris field. but the big point here is that at this point it doesn't seem there's any indication of terrorist activity, which was of course something everyone was concerned about as we are all in a state of heightened alert in response to what is
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happening overseas, but also because of what is happening right now in this country as our thanksgiving holiday. we know also in response to this in the immediate aftermath, that borders, the border checkpoints we'll shut down. we know that some have reopened. we also know that there was extra security measures that were taken at the airports in that area and even really in some u.s. major cities in the northeast. but we know some of that has been tamped down. certainly high and security is the theme here as we head into the holiday. that was the case even before this incident happened. but again, the headline here, it does not appear to be a terrorist incident. i'm brynn gingras, cnn, new york. >> the tragedy that should be stopped. that's how the war in ukraine was described at the ritual g20 summit wednesday by the man who started that conflict, russian president vladimir putin. irony aside, he also try to use the fighting between israel and hamas to push his own line on
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ukraine. clare sebastian explains. >> this is the fast first time since russia launched its war in ukraine that president vladimir putin is addressed the g20 summit. and comes as the conflict in gaza has reduced international scrutiny of russia's actions in ukraine,, something putin tried to capitalize on. >> >> translator: several colleagues in the presentations of docked about how shock they are by seeing russia's ongoing aggression in ukraine. yes, of course, military action is always a tragedy for specific people, specific families, and the country as a whole. and of course we should think about how to stop this tragedy. by the way, russian evers used to hold peace talks with ukraine. >> and what about the bloody coup in ukraine in 2014, followed by the war of the key every regime against people in donbas? isn't this shocking? isn't the extermination civilian population in palestine and the gaza strip shocking today? >> that kind of what about-ism
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is common from putin. the comment that we should think about how to stop this tragedy, though, is more unusual, but it's not clear that putin is overtly calling for peace talks yet. ukraine ruled out peace talks with putin last year, but russia held the ceremony illegally, nearly a fifth of the country and mixing it. he's used to you accuse ukraine of getting in the way of peace. this seems like more of that rhetoric. it's also clear that this is a moment when putin may feel emboldened. ukraine is not liberated any significant amount of territory in a year. russia still has more manpower and industrial capacity, despite the efforts of ukraine's allies and it will of course be keenly where of the paralysis in the u.s. congress over funding and some signs of fatigue among ukraine's european allies. ukraine, for its, part is unwavering in its stance of peace talks. in recent social media post the -- called putin a habitual liar,
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as the super saver, in....bargain bliss bliss, bliss, bliss todd we talked about this. our deals are just so epic. i know, todd. i know. ♪ grocery outlet bargain market >> pope francis is calling once again for a cease-fire in the israel hamas war. he met with relatives of israeli hostages in palestinian prisoners at the vatican wednesday. cnn's reporter reports now from rome. >> pope francis doing his best to comfort both sides of those who were affected by the war between israel and hamas. on wednesday morning on the sideline of his usual wednesday audience, he first met with a group of family members of those taken hostages by hamas on october 7th in israel.
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after the audience met with a group of effected palestinians as well, including a woman who had just escaped the gaza strip a couple of days ago. both groups held press conferences after they met with the pope. and the pope made a few comments as well. >> translator: this morning i received two delegations, one of israelis who have relatives held hostage in the gaza strip, and another of palestinians who have relatives imprisoned in israel. they suffer so much. and i heard how both sides are suffering. this is what wars do. but here, we have gone beyond wars. this is not a war. this is terrorism. >> both groups expressed appreciation for time spent with the holy father. both of them were saying that the pope had been calling for a cease-fire for many weeks now, and that they hope those words wouldn't fall on deaf ears. cnn, rome. >> the idf was confirmed the death of a missing 26-year-old
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israeli woman who had been missing since the october 7th hamas attacks on israel. it's not immediately clear whether her weather identifies were identified in gaza or israel. now we have new video from a man who narrowly survived the attack on october 7th. he was shot at times as he fled hamas terrorists. cnn's nick watt has more. and a warning, his report contains graphic images. >> this is a video from the >> this is a video from the party itself. the music. how absurd it is. this is the moe. one of his best friends, she will be dead in just a few hours. dawn broke. hamas terrorists were approaching in boats. the israeli navy in pursuit. hamas landed on the beach.
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ariel and his friends, age we're between two shipping containers. >> you can hear the bullets hitting the metal containers. i will never forget the sound. >> they would've gone to the bomb shelter if they had known there was one. everyone on the beach and there was a public bathroom. instagram video of them hiding. >> one minute after we left ashore, the terrorist mounted beecher went to the sheltering killed everyone there. they killed everyone. >> hamas filmed the horror. you obviously didn't know this is the time. >> i heard the screams. i hear everything, the gunshots. it was terrible. >> he and his friends ran until they reached an idf base. >> [speaking in a non-english language] >> eventually they were let in. some sent farewell messages to the parents. ariel did not. >> if i would be dead, which i thought is most likely, at least they will have a few more
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hours without knowing that. we decided we needed to get out of there. so we ran to the cars. the terrorists came out of the bushes and started firing at a source close range. lucky for us the soldier was with us, a soldier, he just shot two rounds into the terroristhead andt killed him on the spot. >> they saw a they drove on inside israel really checkpoint. >> we saw body lying on the grounds only the dead body wakes up, an ak-47, and the terrorist just firing at us. >> so he was dressed as an israeli cop? >> yeah. and one of my friends got hit in the shoulder by a bullet. the other bullet went right above her head, and shaved some of her hair. >> shaved her hair? >> shaved her hair. >> eventually they reached an actual israeli police point. his injured friends taken to
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the hospital. i told you ariel's friend moe would drive. she tried to drive to her mother's house. >> and c 47 she's calling her mom, telling her that if she is in the shelter and she will get home soon. that was her last contact with her. because when she went out of the shelter they shot her dead. i made from that day, 20 out of 21 we went 21 and we got back 20. looks like the holocaust numbers from auschwitz. >> he came here after he saw what was happening here in america. >> people are our removing their david stars and removing every sign they have and i say to you, it's 1933 in germany. no. it's the united states of 2023. and it starts to look similar to that. and i am very worried.
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