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republican george santos may have less than 24 hours left in congress. this morning he is hinting that he has dirt and the people who might vote to expel him. and the fragile truce between israel and hamas is
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expected to be extended. we are in day zseven and more hostages expected to be released this hour. this as secretary of state tony blinken is meeting the top officials in tel aviv. and yet, a shooting in gaza may threaten the truce. and now, the strike back at advertising. "tell them to go blnk themselves" says elon musk. how is that working so far? i'm john berman with sara sidner. this is cnn "news central." the new york republican george santos slammed his colleagues for bullying him. he is facing an expulsion vote tomorrow coming in the wakes of the ethics report that he ripped off campaign donors and used the
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money for himself, and santos has plead not guilty to a slew of charges. let's begin with what you are hearing on capitol hill, manu raju. >> i have been talking to lawmakers about the george santos issue, and the republicans are deeply divided of whether or not to expel him from the house of representatives. some of them are torn about whether or not to vote for his expulsion, and others said it is time to go, and two new york congressmen called him a con man who needs to be out of the body. some others including congressman jim jordan, the house judiciary chairman says he is going to expose to expulsion resolution, because it is up to the voters of the district, and some of them are frankly
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concerned here about precedent that would be set, and the first time ever that a congressman would be expelled from the house without other times in history have the expulsion happened. he is influential in the conference, and not only the leadership and particular members kicking him out of the house. >> i think that we are all concerned about those things, but that is a call for the voters. i am not going to support that. >> reporter: but the math is the issue. it requires 2/3 majority support to eject him from the house. right now, there are 53
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republicans who voted yes. but at the moment, there are 18 who said they would go there and so many who are undecided. jim jordan says that he must stay. and so, now, if a motion to expel him does not work, how does the process work? >> well, as manu asked, it is simply a normal vote in the house ofttive and be reprimanded by the colleagues. they would need 2/3 to expel him. then if he were expelled, the house of representatives clerk
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would take over his office's an he could get his things, and it would be dealt with like a death inside of the look at how quickly this could move if santos is expelled. but it could create a problem for the speaker mike johnson because all of the sudden, the very narrow period, and he has two spending events coming up january and peb kwai if and make the job majority that much more
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difficult as it is already minority. >> joining us from john avalon and margaret avalon, and as he put it first, a moment or both to be expelled for the high standards the berman family. >> yes, yes, which is the report which are so damningp top of the selfish shoe and he a drag on the brand, but where do you apply the standards? if grifting is a standard, some folks have to look at the
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donald, and a lot of people don't want to do that. >> oh, that is a point. and now, you have have samuel mo admitted to using this money, and then others admitting to us usingle theer enough to give congress enough -- >> are you saying where there is smoke there is fire or where there is a fire there is fire. >> well, what you are getting to is actually a good point, and this is where i am proud of the republicans of new york who have said, absolutely it is time him to go, and not just because it is an argument that the speaker is making that it is a breach of precedent, but sometimes it is appropriate to have a breach of
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prec precedent,ed in the context the of degrading the institution and why they are needed. >> and even though he is charged with 23 crimes, he is charged with ethics. >> that is their job. and also to up hold the integrity of the legislation, and it is time for the republicans to do this the difficult thing the that and they do need dignify and expect that they can dra and sgrarnlgt bee yon ka on the right side. >> it has surprised a few people that mike johnson seemed to slow
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the roll. and so what is the difference of the four-vote margin in the house and a three-vote margin in the house? >> well, one vote. [ laughter ] >> the math. oh! >> and the answer to that question that it deserved among other things. [ laughter ] >> and yet the conference has given him a lot of slack, and they are making a deal it looks like for what they kicked kevin mccarthy out for. look, the issue is that george santos is a stain on anything that is resembling integrity in the house that at some point you take a stand, and he is playing the vick tirnlck -- victim, rig? that what people do. and so he is a liar. so he is uniquely american figure and self-created -- no. he defrauded the voters in his
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district on every detail of his life from day one, and you have to be held to a higher standard, and not a lower one even if it is fashionable. >> let's not put some sparkles here on the pony. >> can you tell they are married, ladies and gentlemen? >> yes. >> the delegation in new york who were among the first to say he has to go, even when the republicans said, well, we have to wait for ethics committee, and they have come out in front, and is that because they know that if he costays in there, th the possibility of another republican is going to be hurt by that? >> well, if you are in the details of the new york congressional line, you know that seat is never going to be held by a republican anyway. so keep your dignity. that seat is going to be held by
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a democrat, because they are redrawing the congressional lines, and so that is going to be a democratic line. >> and the reason they are pushing for santos to get kicked out is because it makes them look bad. condemning george santos in your self-interest is great, but it is table stakes, and it is not a profile in courage. >> glitter on the pony. oh, margaret. >> come back tomorrow. >> i like sparkly things. all right. thank you, john. >> thank you, both. coming up next, day seven of a truce in gaza, and fragile one, but now the biden administration is in talks with israel of how best to protect thousands of palestinian civilians who are forced the flee their homes in a little bit. and next, young thug is on
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trial in day two of the trial with other rappers, and the latest on that class. and elon musk using the f-word against those advertisers paying for x, and we will talk about how that happened, and what might be the fallout ahead.
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hamas has begun freeing the hostages for the seventh day in a row and two israeli hostages have just arrived to the red cross with the u.s. military, and they are emit salzana and liat atzili. and oso now, this is going to be from -- the two hostages are amitt soussana and mia chem. and so now, what is going to be
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happening when the fights starts again which is inevitable according to prime minister benjamin netanyahu. and the u.s. is putting pressure on israel to be more precise to protect civilians in gaza. and one is sending civilians back south which is on the table, but there is a problem with that. look at what the north looks like. there is nothing to go back to. because 50% of the structures are said to be damaged, and it is not clear right now if israel has agreed to any of this, but some u.s. officials says that israel is at least receptive to considering the ideas. john? >> all right. with me now is congressman gregory meeks, the democrat from new york, and now, thank you for joining us, but what happens to hamas if this pause continues? >> well, look, we know that hamas is trying to relocate, and
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reload and move different locations and change and move and all of those things, so a hamas' infrastructure has to be destroyed. that is what you are hearing prime minister netanyahu, and when we went to israel to talk to the defense minister of the idf is how you get in and destroy the infrastructure and those tunnels that are under various institutions so that hamas does not exist. so i think that what happens there is the ground forces go in, and they are more targeted focusing, and what israel has done before the humanitarian pause is to allow the reporters to be embedded with them so that you can report exactly what you see, and you can see what hamas is doing, and the tunnels and those kinds of things, and so if if and when the war resumes, it is to get at the infrastructure of hamas so that they are no
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longer in control of gaza, and they have the opportunity to do what they say they are going to do which is to continue to attack again and again to try to wipe out the state of israel. >> you are ranking member of the foreign house affairs committee, and is it your opinion that israel needs to resume the offensive activities in the south? >> well, we have to get the hostages out. i was in a panel with the subcommittee on the middle east, and we were meeting with those relatives of those still held hosge ta -- hostage, and we know that there is 150 still held there, and we have to get proof of life there, and we have to talk about the males that are not released there. and there are elderly males who were taken hostage, and we don't know what their health
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conditions are. so that, and i think that the president of the united states and the secretary of the state is doing the right thing hoping that we can have a continued pause as we continue to try to get more hostages out and back home to their family, and that is really important. and then, you know, what would end a lot of this real quickly is if hamas would surrender. we know that they have utilized palestinians as shields and what could stop the violence completely is hamas to surrender. they are the ones who started this, and violated the cease-fire on october 7th. they should be if they really care about the palestinian people, they should surrender, and that would end that, and then we need to talk about and start to figuring what happens post the war and/or their surrender, and that is where working with other neighbors continues to be really important and i think that the president of the united states is doing a
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tremendous job engaging others in the region also, and that is really important. >> to be clear, you are the ranking member of the foreign affairs committee of the house. and so when and if do you feel that israel needs to change the tactics? >> yes, as i said, they need to do more urban warfare as opposed to the dropping of the bombs. you see, when you are dropping the bombs from the sky, there is more collateral damage, and more unintended consequences that kills the ids h individuals on ground. and so when you are going after hamas, you can reduce the collateral damage to the palestinians, and swri seen some tapes where they went in and the bomb comes from the sky, and maybe it hits target underneath, but the infrastructure around there then ends up falling and collapsing also where you have
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death. so there is another mechanism under which you can do this on the ground. i think that when the tanks are rolling in and moving forward, that is the way to move forward. >> you in the next 24 hours may very well have a chance to vote on whether to expel your new york colleague republican george santos from congress. you are a yes-vote on expulsion? >> i am. i voted yes previously, and i will vote yes again. >> what do you think of the republicans are, including house speaker who have expressed reservations on expelling santos? >> well, you know, i think that some of what they are guided by is their extremism and d dysfunction of which santos is a symptom of. they have not been able to get to anything or do anything since they have been in charge. they have not done anything to benefit the american people, and they have been mobbed down in their own dysfunction, and son
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t -- santos is a function of that, and a hard fought race would ensue that democrats could win that seat back, and reducing their number, and they are not able to function with the four or five-seat majority, and how would they function with a two or three-seat. so that is what some of the republicans are concerned about, and concerned about the politics of it. and just to continue the extreme dysfunctioning of the republican party which invariably comes back to haunt the american people. >> congressman gregory meeks of the house foreign affairs committee, great to have you on. sara? >> thank you, john. record label or dangerous gang -- that is the question that the jurors are facing as one of the high profile trials in the country is under way in
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the state of georgia. a former defense lawyer weighs in on the racketeering trial of young thug and yak gotti. it was like experiencing a nightmare, one of the palestinian students shot in vermont recalling the moment of the attack, and he drew a diagram for police. we will have all of that coming up.
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this information just in from the new york appellant court is that a gag order is just reinstated prohibiting donald trump from making statements about civil court staff after donald trump made numerous courts about the judge's clerk being biased against him. trump appealed the ruling, and the appeals court put it on pause temporarily and let him speak his mind, and hundreds of threats were made against engoron, and now, we have joey jackson with us, criminal attorney, and i wanted to read the statement that came out from the court, the ruling. it says now upon reading and filing the papers with respect to the motion and due deliberation having been had thereon, it is that the motion is denied. that motion was brought by trump, his attorney, saying that we should not be gagged, and speak our minds, and then they
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looked at the evidence. is that what happened here? >> sara, i like the way it was handled, and the right call, and forget that you like him or don't like him or hate him or whatever, the law has to give priority to the balancing of the priorities. and one is that we are in the midst of the election, and you should be able to attack and state your peace, but your rights end when someone else is impaired. right, you cannot yell fire! in a movie theater, because you could impair someone else. so the court said, we will not jump to any conclusion, and pause the order, and say what you want, and we will evaluate the law, and strike the appropriate balance, and at the end of the day, the safety of the individuals, and numerous threats has to be paramount to the rights to the concerns, and you have to limit what you say, because it is going to impair the safety of others. >> especially the staff, and it
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is people not out in front, and the prosecutors not out in front, and who are elected officials. >> also this morning, turning to another case and another trial, and though similar charges that donald trump is facing in others in the case of georgia. >> i hear rico. >> you are going to be hearing rico again, and this is the second day of the testimony under the rack teteering trial r the grammy-award winning rapper young thug for leading an enterprise under the state's racketeering charges known as rico. so first, for the prosecution, what is each side hearing, because we are hearing both. >> yes, and there are competing narratives in the courtroom. so on one hand, the prosecutor is theysaying that he is part o young thug, that he was part of and mastermind of the lawless
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society, and engaged in assault, carjacking, and murders and all sorts of stuff they were talking about. and as a result of they were following his lead, and we will hold you accountable. the defense says, not so fast. the fact is that he is a child of the community, and a person who brought himself up by engaging this wrap lyrics which they are trying to tether to the guilt, and they are trying to say that there is no evidence directly pointing to the criminality, and those are the competing narratives of the very long months' long trial that we will hear about moving forward. >> the rap lyrics are a sticking point. the rap lyrics that the prosecution has said that fani willis' office said, that if you say it in rap lyriclyrics, we w charge you with it. is this unusual? >> it is not unusual, but it is
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controversial, and the essence is that on one hand, you have an artist who says this is art. i am allowed to speak about the issues on the street whether there are dead bodies and shot in tahoes and i'm the boss and the man, and this is art and not related to criminality, and the prosecution says that we followed murder, and we came up with the lyrics that seemed to corroborate the murder. it is controversial, and inasmuch as you have congress debating the issue with respect to the rap act, and whether or not this should be lawful in kk california, and don't base it and the lyric, but the evidence. >> so if the lyrics match the evidence, then you could have a problem. >> that is what the prosecution is saying, and we will see what the jury says. >> thank you for being on, and especially with the snazzy and sparkly ties. >> the privilege is mine. >> john is jealous of that. >> john is jealous of no one.
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>> he should be. >> we do like sparkly things. it was like experiencing a nightmare -- that is how one of the palestinian college students who was shot in vermont is describing the attack. 21-year-old kinnan abdalhamid said that his emt training helped him to survive. >> on the way back, we see the man on the same side of the sidewalk essentially looking away from us on his porch. so we were stepping closer to our, towards hisham's grandmother's hour, and looks at us, and almost surreal, but comes towards us with a pistol and shot my friend. i heard the thud on the ground, anded screaming. that is my signal to make a run
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for it. and then a split second later, he shot my other friend, and then i heard his thud on the ground. >> the police are considering whether to charge the suspect with a hate crime. with us now is chief law enforcement intelligence analyst john miller. john, one of the big questions here is if that suspect is going to be charged with a hate crime, and what are the considerations? >> well, right now, he is charged with the attempted murder times three, and the aggravated assault times three, and the police say they have the offering of proof that a prosecutor needs there. the gun is recovered in the dresser drawer, and the bullets are in the apartment, and the gun is matched to the shell casings at the scene, but to charge that hate crime, john, they have to show not only that it is the predominant motive in the shooting, but that it was a factor. and the fact that he said nothing to the victims has made that a challenge that they are trying to get through now. >> how do you get beyond that?
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you say it is a challenge, and how do you go to prove it is a hate crime if the suspect did not say anything? >> this is where the fbi is playing a large role in the burlington police investigation. they have brought in the c.a.r.t. team from the boston field office, and that is the computer analysis response team, and working the evidence which including laptop, ipad and five cell phones and backpack full of hard drives and the online accounts and postings of jason eaton to say, well, what was he saying to the days leading up to this and the posts prior, and are there references that could tie to the background, and in that the criminal profilers and the behavioral unit are developing a profile based on everything that they could use to the social media to deliver a case that could amount to a hate crime charge on top of this, and given the charges faced on this
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it would not add a lot of time, but the community is looking for charges here. >> thank you, john miller. sara? >> one of the most influential and controversial policy makers, henry kissinger at 100 years old has died. we will take a look at his life when we come back.
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>> former national security adviser and secretary of state died at 100 years. he escaped nazi germany when he
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was a boy and went on to become one of the most influential and controversial advisers in american history primarily working under president richard nixon. to talk about his life and complicated life is political analyst julian zelter. you a historian as well, and so i wanted to start with kis kissinger's accomplishments, and what made him such a prominent figure in the world? >> well, arguably, the most important moment that people are remembering is that in 1972 when he is one of the key architects of the s.a.l.t. agreements with the soviet union and one of the major agreements of detente and easing of the relations of the soviet union and he played a key role in opening relations with china, and in 1973, he helped to
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contain the arab/israeli war, the yom kippur war, and began the shadow diplomacy that culminated under president carter. so in terms of the positive assessments that people are talking about that, is the key. >> and he was doing this when he was in china not long ago, and working towards some of this, and i wanted to ask you about some of the controversy. this is the controversy that "rolling stone" put today that they said on his obituary, they are saying that "war criminal beloved by the ruling class finally dies." it is rare that you see something like that speaking bad of, speaking ill of the dead, but that is quite a statement there. can you give us a reflection on this animosity and this c
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controversy especially the vietnam record. >> yes, it is something that people disagree that nixon and kissinger prolonged the vietnam war when nixon took office in 1969, and the administration conducted a secret carpet bombing campaign in cambodia that was absolutely devastating and involved in numerous covert operations including in 1973, when there was a u.s.-backed coup of a democratically-elected government in chile, and many examples like that which left in casualties and stability in many parts of the globe. that is what people are referring to, and lot of of it was done in secrecy, and done without measures of accountability without the members of congress or public knowing, and this is what the article is referring to. >> it is stark to see something
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like that, and you know that there are strong opinions about his time in office. i do want to ask you about his time when he was officially out of office, but he was still doing, you know, public policy, and he was still doing foreign policy, and very much on the world stage. can you give us some sense of what his life was like after he left the administrations? >> yeah, he is one of the few figures to really survive politically watergate in the nixon administration, and he becomes one of the most well known statesmen in the world really. consulted with presidents both democrats and republicans, and he wrote books about world affairs including the u.s.-china relations, and he continued as he did when he was at the nec and the state department to court the media, and make himself a celebrity statesperson, and that is how the other side of this record of
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himself did not get that attention. but he has been active right through his passing. >> and more than 70 years active in foreign policy. it is quite a long accomplishment. thank you so much julian zelizer looking back at the life of henry kissinger dying at 100 years old. john? elon musk is naming names of advertisers and telling them to go f-themselves and more fall out of the f-gate. and now a tale of chowchilla that tells one of the shocking stories that you have never heard, the shocking story of a school bus of children who were buried underground before orchestrating their own dramatic escape. the incident captivated nation and became a turning point of the treatment of childhood trauma. this is a preview. chowchilla was a wonderful place to grow up.
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>> they were innocent children. >> never did i think that something like this could happen. >> how does a school bus show up missing. >> i did not want to go down there. >> it was like somebody just took them up off of the planet. >> was it a thrill crime? >> your guess is as good as mine. >> it is a mystery. you had no answers. >> they recovered a journal encrypted. >> i have never seen anything like that. >> the kidnappers hit this town right in the heart by taking children. >> all of the way through, they thought they had thought of everything. >> we had been buried alive. i thought to myself, we are going to die, we are going to die getting the hell out of here. >> when we got home, we thought that we were going to be okay. >> the idkids were not okay.
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>> i said, god forgive them, because i won't. >> it is possibly the story of the century. >> chowchilla, sunday at 9:00 on cnn.
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this morning the ceo of x is defending her boss elon musk after he told fleeing advertisers, wait for it, to go f themselves. she posted her defense saying, x is enabling information independence that's uncomfortable for some people and here's my perspective when it comes to advertising. x is standing at a unique and amazing intersection of free speech and main street.
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oliver darth visit darcy is with me. >> i don't know what to make of the response, other than to say it's just attached from reality. the reality of the situation is that advertisers are fleeing because of musk's own decisions and his unhinged behavior. so his decisions have led to a surge in hate speech and conspiracy theories on x. decisions like welcoming back white nationalists and other decisions he's made, but frankly, he's contributed a lot to the horrible rhetoric on the platform. he's smeared the press. he's promoted conspiracy theories himself like pizzagate. a couple weeks ago, he made the anti-semitic endorsement. so that's why advertisers like kiz knee, apple, ibm, warner brother discovery, nbc universal, that's why they decided to flee this platform. what's remarkable is that yesterday when he was on stage,
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instead of trying to woo back tuzers, instead of saying, look, i was wrong. i'm apologizing for it. please do come back. we really want your business. he instead told his advertisers to f off, effectively securing the fate of the platform. according to elon musk himself, the fate of the platform is it's going to die because they have no advertising revenue, which is how x earns most of its money. so the prognosis for x is not good. and instead of trying to get the company back in a healthier position, he's instead lashing out. >> in ten seconds or less, did telling them the to go f themselves make him seem more hinged? >> i'm not sure he can seem more unhinged lately than the behavior he's demonstrated lately, but i guess those ads do it. he's clearly not someone who is reigned in at at all.
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>> oliver darcy, thank you. >> i have never heard that expression. thank you for joining us. this is "cnn news central." "inside politics" is up next.
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