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>> tonight on 360 a jury puts a price on rudyi giuliani's live? will ruby treeman ever see a dime of the $1 tray million he has been ordered to pay. we now know what killed actor matthew perry, who drown after taking a large amount of ketamine. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. man whose fall from grace rivals, any in history. earlier this was rudy giuliani, america's mayor some called him. former crime busting u.s. attorney. looking on the photo for all the

world like a man on top of this. for years working for and lying for a man, in his prior life, he may pay for a fraction of those lice. two 2020 georgia election workers whom he defamed again and begin including outside his civil trial earlier this week and again today, after the jury awarded more than $148 million in damages. that includes more than $16 million each for deaf nation, $20 million each for the emotionally discretion he brought them for upending their lives and $75 million in punitive damages. >> the flame rudy jewell alien are lit to keep that flame blazing changed every sense of our lives, our home our work our sense of safety and we are still

working to rebuild. for now, i want people to understand this: money will never solve all of my problems. i can never move back into the house that i called home. i will always have to be careful about where i go and who i choose to share my name with. i miss my home. i miss my neighbors. and i miss my name. >> afterwards, vowing to appeal and reaffirming the lives he tolled. >> do you still believe truthful, do you still believe -- >> i have no doubt that my comments were made and they were supportable and are supportable today. i just did not have an opportunity to present the evidence that we offered.

did you notice we were not allowed to put in one piece of evidence in defense? >> that is not true in the slightest. he was expected to testify yesterday, again chose not to, wisely, that was his choice. the evidence shows that he was not lying concerning moss and freeman. do you imagine, after a stolen election he would still be keeping it close to his very large vest? it is ridiculous. as you heard at the beginning of that clip, he affirmed. it is amazing how he began the week. >> of course i don't regret. i told the truth. they were engaged in changing votes. >> joining us now is merle lovernsky. >> thank you very much for

having me here tonight anderson. we are willing to follow mr. giuliani to the end of the earth, as lady ruby said, what mr. giuliani caused, these two amazing brave heros, but we will do absolutely everything we can to give them -- to track the money down and try to enforce this judgment as best we can. >> do you know at this stage i mean how much money rudy giuliani has? i know he's being sued by more than $1 million in unpaid bills, his apartment in new york is on sale for more than $6 million, that's been sitting on the market for a while now. before today's judgment he owes your clients more than $600,000 for legal fees. how do you try to collect $148

million from someone like this? >> it is are interesting anderson, mr. giuliani had the chance to produce the evidence and he never did. out of court he has repeatedly claimed he is unable to pay. and every time throughout this entire litigation the court has held him to produce records, to substantiate that. he hasn't done that. he's had the opportunities to produce the records and he hasn't so i think, you know, at this point, the jury is still out as to whether there's destiny truth to his claims of not being able to afford a judgment so we look forward to the next phase. >> yeah, i mean if he's lying about your clients, clearly he has, why wouldn't he lie about the money as well, if he declared bankruptcy though would he be allowed to use that to not pay? >> because these are willful

torts and the court has already found that he acted in a will full manner that those are not dischargeable. so this will be a debt that he owes for the rest of his life and we will keep going after him for the rest of his life until our clients receive the money that they deserve. >> outside the croox jewell alien said he would likely move for appeal or asking for a new trial. do you doubt that? >> i was on with you this summer anderson and the judge in this case gave him opportunity after opportunity after opportunity to comply with the rules of civil discovery to produce records and she found that he failed to preserve. he failed to keep records that this civil rules of discovery require that he preserve. he's an attorney who has practiced law for decades. he knew what the rules required and he failed to comply with them. so, you know, he can claim that

he wants to appeal. but his failure to engage in the actual process will make it incredibly hard. and so we are very confident in our judgment, and, you know, of course we'll continue fighting for our amazing hero clients. but i'm not too worried about -- about our odds of defending this judgment. >> i really appreciate it, thank you. want to get some perspective from kaitlan collins and dan jones. karen first of all just the magnitude of these damages and do you think these two women who i mean have just clearly been defamed and had their lives completely upended will get money? i think they will get some

money. rudy giuliani can't -- even if he goes to bankruptcy he will have to still have this -- you know, look they can go after it, they can follow it and they cann actually -- >> so bankruptcy doesn't wash it away? >> not an intentional tort like this. >> that he was intentional in his lies? >> exactly that he harmed them, he caused -- he defamed them intentionally, he caused emotional distress dissentionly. intentionally. >> in every statement he's made i'm sort of stunned by that. >> it's cruel. any human being who would sit in court like rudyi giuliani did and listen to what ms. freeman and ms. moss testified to what

this had done to their lives, that this ho hornldous -- horneddous things to say he doesn't regret it that he actually believes it, it is actual cruelty at this point. go ahead. >> for him stating this racist bs comparing them to drug dealers, i mean it's -- the brazenness of it is extraordinary. >> well it's just despicable because you got to remember these are black women in the south working to help people vote. >> one of them was volunteering. she was doing a civil service. >> literally, doing what we need to make a democracy work. and, you know, we lost martyrs, people who are dead and gone, so that we could have this right to vote and we asked people to go vote and we asked people to go help people vote. for somebody doing that noble

work and have this despicable piece of dirt comes down from god knows where and just ruin their lives. in pursuant by the way of crazy theory that somehow trump was being robbed of the election by these two black women and put their lives at risk and go shum bling and shuffling around, the same thing today, this guy is a sociopath, when he was a prosecutor, was he a sociopath then? what other kinds of horrible things has he been doing his whole life to the point where he thinks he can ruin these women for his own scheme and never even apology, the courts he supposedly serves, that he shouldn't come back and pay. >> lets play this clip. >> how can they say there's no

fraud? look at that woman, look at them scurrying with the ballots. hiding, looks like they're passing out dope.. >> scurrying around passing out dope, it's extraordinary. errol, you've covered this man a long time. has he always been this way? >> is he's always colored outside the line, very tough, said things where others said were a little bit crazy. more often than not, he had usual lines of attack that actually proved themselves out when he was in the court system. he's an unpaid client of donald trump i guess was the capacity that he started to make things up and throwing it out there. that he wanted to be relevant, wanted to be on the public

stage, part of the trump phenomenon. >> one of his ininnovations, he never shied away there a camera, he liked that and the more he had it clearly the more he liked it and your notion of him wanting to stay relevant makes sense. >> he walked people out in front of their colleagues and later those cases sort of felt apart in some cases. he was always pushy, he was always aggressive, wasn't as scrupulous when the harm he might have caused inadvertently, but everybody understood there needed to be a crack down on wall street, you needed to crack down on the five families, there was a way to go against the cosa nostra and people kind of went along with it. this is a whole 'nother kind of

category. this is simple bullying, cruelty. this gives rise to new liability. find himself bash dk. >> if anybody looks at him shambling around, poor guy, i mean he treated a lot of people terribly for a very long period of time, some of them are awful people and some of them he was self aggrandizing and making a name for himself. how do you think trump world thinks of this? >> i think this is who they worked with on a daily basis, on election night 2020, people thought that he was drinking when he was advising the president. that's in congressional testimony. but what i'm struck by watching him come out of the courthouse there, doing what he's doing there, this is someone who thought he was going to be in donald trump's cabinet. he was angling for that position back in 2016 and was gravely devastated when he didn't get

that. someone trying to inject himself into trump's world, always at the home in washington, i encountered him in front of the white house in more times than i can count, he was always hangg around, how close he was to the lovers of power. i'm sure trump will distance himself. >> he did that when i was fund raiser -- >> when he wasn't going to pay for his legal fees. >> like i'll throw a party for you and -- >> and use my pressure, each plate was worth $100,000, he's not destitute, when we talkk about he has no money. his attorneys wouldn't tell us whose plane that was but it speak to the level that he flew down and begged trump to pay for his legal fees with an attorney who in turn sued rudy giuliani because he couldn't pay him for

his legal fees. these are the lies he told the four men on his right there. >> didn't very a company that was supposedly like a security company. >> that's right. >> and after a while he was doing ads for life lock or something, didn't he have a company? >> he was, rudy jewell alien, best selling book he had a ton of money from a lot of different sources and little by little it all sort of kind of went away, there was a little more hype to it than people be are probably realized, you can take a lot of money to pretend to show them some magical techniques that are being imported from new york. so after a while that consulting firm sort of died down. his partnership with the bracewell firm as bracewell giuliani that sort of went away. little by little that sort of all departed especially after that disastrous run for president that didn't work out

for him, at all. he got no delegates, got no action there. then it gets to this. in a bid to get back into the spotlight he apprentices himself, gives himself over to the trump white house and in the end as we've seen from a lot of testimony from the january 6th committee, the way to get ahead after trump lost was to come out with with the most outlandish most hard line arguments that no no no, we are going to argue this to the end in spite of aural facts law and everything else that's what he did. >> thank you, kaitlan collins, kaitlan's back at 9 with the source, joining us is maryland democrat jamie raskin. which brought national attention to their role in ruthy giuliani's countless lies. what is your reaction to this verdict? >> well i like the fact that a

lot of these people are finally getting their comeuppance. it i s a glorious thing to see fox news pay out $787 million to dominion voting system to see shay months and rudy freeman who were defamed by rudy giuliani get an award of $147 million. it is no shame to have your reputation intact and for having safety in your home but at least it puts the justice system on the side of the people defending democracy. and shay moss and ruby freeman should be proud that they will be role models for everyone going into the 2024 election, the election workers the poll workers the election judges, everybody standing up for the actual infrastructure of political democracy which the republicans have declared warr on. >> that's interesting. you think it sends an inspiring

message for people who volunteer, who work for not very much money in these essential jobs on election day? >> yeah, i m mean donald trump d his authoritarian cronies would want us to believe that democracy is something they throw around once that while, with vladimir putin and his assault on ukraine and president xi or whatever, requires tens of thousands of people to go out to educate voters, to register voters and count people's ballots and we saw in 2020 how trump and giuliani and steve bannon and danesh de s susa, that's why this beautiful

mother-daughter team is such an exemplar for those who do this tireless and not well compensated work, where you could make like $10 an hour. >> do you think regardless who is on the ballot, regardless who wins in 2024, that there's not enough to be done to he compressed concern about people onot wanting to volunteer to being poll workers because of what happened to ruby freeman and shay moss? >> as you know, there are different things going on state by state and you've got to get involved in your state to make sure there is sufficient people who are volunteering or who are involved in working at the polls and then of course that is just the beginning. because then we have to prevent it from being stolen by donald trump. you know hurricane irma clinton beat him by more than 2.5

million votes and joe biden beat him by more than 7 million votes. ten oror 15 million young people coming out to the polls and as long as the democratic party can keep the young people engaged and behind us as the party of democracy and freedom then it will be a gigantic distance between the democrats and the republicans which means they know their job with their bag of dirty tricks is to disqualify voters to cast challenge ballots and so on. it's going to be a struggle all the way down to election day and as we said in 2020 with january 6th through election day because of the electoral college system. so we're going to make sure that we have lawyered up at every point to defend the real democratic process such as it is against the republicans who understand that they have to act like autocrats. >> thank you congressman raskin.

later we'll talk to dr. sanjay gupta in the role ketamine played in the death of matthew perry.

>> it's hard to overstate just how far the man once known as america's mayor has fallen but

in one way it can be measured, senior reporter harry enton. how does rudy giuliani compare when he was mayor? >> his favor, this year just 16%. that is a 60 point decline. you know i like studying apology. i'm not sure i've ever seen a decline of that much pretty much ever. and this to me is a story story of a man disgraced and americans see him that way. >> how does that work in means of repu american parties? >> 71% back 20% ago. look where it is today just 3%, i'm not sure i know those 3% but even be republican his favor tix

drops to way in the 30s. northeast urban corridor, america's mayor, that's where he was most popular. his favor rating today 14%. his unfavor rating up to 64%. a guy so popular 20 years ago, his popularity he wasted it away just like he wasted away his sense of self. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> just to remind people how he got to this point, here is cnn's jessica schneider. > it is disgraceful what happened. >> rudy giuliani spent the days after the 2020 election, traveling state to state, falsely saying. two unsuspecting election workers in fulton county. >> it is a tape earlier in the day of ruby freeman and shay freeman moss and one other

gentleman who should have been questioned already, their homes should have been searched for evidence of voter fraud. >> shay moss later told thee january 6th committee, she and her mother soon received death threats, angry election deniers showed up at their homes and ruby freeman was forced into hiding. >> i've lost my sense of security all because a group of people starting with number 45, and his ally rudy giuliani decided to scape-goat knee and my daughter shay. to push their own lies about how the presidential election was stolen. >> i second guess everything that i do. it's affected my life in a major

way. in every way. all because of lies. >> giuliani claimed moss and freeman plotted to kick ballot watchers, he also pushed the false narrative that they had brought in suitcases filled with fake ballots for biden and scanned them into the system multiple times. and giuliani, usb memory sticks containing a fraudulent vote count. >> which to me was a smoking gun, powerful smoking gun. >> quite obviously surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they were vie ats of heroin or cocaine. >> we would have to be fools to think that. >> none of that was true was it?

>> none of it. >> congressman adam schiff on the january 6th committee asked shay if giuliani accurate described what her mom was passing around the table. >> what was your mom actually handing you on that video? >> a ginger mint. >> coming up the reaction of israel after the idf said it mistakenly shot and killed three workers in gaza. after that.

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>> an unbearable tragedy, that's what israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is calling the death of three israel hostages, shot and killed after they were mistakenly identified as a threat. cnn's alex marquard joins us from tel aviv. what are authorities saying about the incident? >> well, anderson, they said this was a sad and painful incident and that the idf bears

null responsibility. they said they are now investigating the deaths of these three men, yotem heim and summer el telalka 25 years old. there are not a lot of details but this happened in the shejaya neighborhood in northern gaza. they were believed to be terrorist militants and were thought. they sent those bodies back to israel for confirmation and it was confirmed that they were indeed hostages. now there are a lot of questions of course, daniel hagari the spokesman for idf was asked whether these men were hebrew, the idf also made a point that there were a lot of militants in civilian clothing, suicide bombers that don't have weapons. but there is also, the idf was raising the possibility that these men had escaped from

captivity or perhaps had been left behind as the militants fled from the fighting. so anderson, it's just heartbreaking to he think that these three men were on the cusp of escaping, being freed after two months in captivity and instead they were gunned down by their fellow countrymen. >> what sort of reaction have you seen in israel? > shock, sadness. anger. as soon as this news broke the families of the hostages called for an immediate rally. we went out there started at the curia which is where the defense ministry is based, the equivalent to of israel's pentagon, marched for three hours demanding everyone come home now, they kept chanting, "everyone now". he says he wants the government to do absolutely everything to bring these hostages home. i talked to a retired general who isis considered a hero, he

said tonight was a night of celebration, supposed to be marking these three hostages being freed or escaping. he said instead everyone in israel is crying. the netanyahu government has to prioritize this, this has to be the number 1 priority. because the time is running out, a deal he says needs to be struck by the devil. he's ready to play a very high price. >> alex marquard thank you. autopsy report for actor matthew perry, is he the friends star died from the quote acute effects of ketamine and drowning. he died in october after being found unconscious in the pool of his malibu home. dr. sanjay gupta joins us now. this is confusing. the fact that he was receiving

ketamine therapy irp, that is separate from the ketamine athat was in his system when he died. >> yeah, that's right. this is just such a sad story but it does sound like he was being treated for depression and anxiety separate from ketamine and then they make a point of saying this was an aacute ketamine something more recent. they later state in this 30 page report there was something trace in his stomach. it can be injected snorted or swallowed. sons like something he had swallowed. when i read the report it made the case if he swallowed it it takes typically half hour to an hour to take in effect, before you have the symptoms associated with ketamine. and at some point he got into the swimming pool while on the ketamine and this disabsorbive

effect led to his drowning. >> separate from this therapy he was likely taking ketamine either recreationally or self medicating with ketamine, people can buy it online or with a prescription. that becausese he became disassociated he then drowned? >> yes, i think so. i mean the coroner's report a lot of the headlines are just going to say ketamine was the cause of death. the fact is ee even at pretty hh levels, we can show you the levels that were in his blood, they were in the 3,000 nanograms per, even despite that, it very rarely would lead to someone dying. >> it's not that he took ketamine and that stopped his heart, he took ketamine became confused and drown you think? >> that's really what it sounds

like putting this all together. in part because it is rare for ketamine alone to actually cause death in this manner but the idea that someone could become very disassociated, because of the ketamine and was in a pool, that was the contributing factor. one of the medical examiners we talked to, anderson, put it this way. the ketamine likely did not kill him but made it more possible for him to drown. look it's just sad the no matter how you look at it but had it not been that he was in a pool, he likely would not have died of this anderson. >> sanjay thank you again just really sad news. appreciate it. coming up next, a sprawling seen and an investigation binder disappeared at the end of the last former president's administration, plus melania trump has been largely absent, today she made a rare appepearae and d speech, dedetails aheaead.

>> the new cnn investigation raiding alarm over intelligence that went missing during the former president's administration. binder containing highly classified information regarding russian election meddling, disappeared, in the nearly three years since it's gone missing it's not been found. walk us through your reportingng

what was in this binder? >> anderson this is information that the intelligence committee gathered to bolster or to back that up data assessment that they had, that vladimir putin wanted donald trump to win the 2016 election. that is the basis for making that finding. and it contained some of the most sensitive intelligence enforcing in possession of the intelligence community. this is sources and methods, this is stuff not only from the u.s. intelligence agencies but also there some of our closest nato allies so there were a lot of concerns when donald trump and his allies and certainly mark meadows the chief of staff wanted to gather that information because the intent of the former president donald trump to release it. he viewed obviously the entire investigation to be a hoax and he wanted to put it out there. and of course there was a lot of concern in the intelligence committee that people would get killed if some of this

information got out, sources and methods needed to be protect. we know in the closing days of the trump administration, they obviously ran out of time, they were not able to release that information before they did. but we don't know what happened to it after that. and so one of -- there is a lot of theories and one of them came from cassidy hutchinson who wrote about it in her book. watched what she had to say. >> i watched him cross, i did not have time to ask what he planned to do with it as he drove away, what the hell is merk doing with the unclassified binder? anderson, we do know that, closing minutes just before joe

biden was inaugurated, we don't know what happened to the binder however what was done with this binder with the unredacted documents. he pushed back strongly that he had anything to do with these missing binders. i'll tell what you he said. he said mr. meadows was keenly aware of and, any such material that he handled or was in his possession had been treated accordingly and any suggestionon that he is responsible for any missing binder or any other classified information is wrong. so that's a very strong push back from mark meadows. i'll tell you anderson the fact that this was missing came up in a briefing, to senate intelligence committee leaders, just last year. and again the concern was that this information could get into the wrong hands anderson. >> i'm impressed thank you.

meanwhile, former first lady plan app yah trump made an appearance today, during national naturalization ceremony at the national archives in washington. >> it is my privilege to share this grabbing nation, america, with you -- great nation america with you. throughout our lives we crosh thresholds and all that obstacles, often stand in the way of our genomes. my personal experience of traversing the challenges of the immigration process opened myy eyes to the harsh reality including you who try to become u.s. citizens. >> the former first lady has mostly been absent from view, although she did attend the funeral for rosalynn carter. >> i think part of the bu beauts

the mystery. >> former president donald trump, on megan kelly's podcast, trying to explain former first lady melania trump's absence. >> she's in need to be out there. she got a lot of self confidence. >> when donald trump announced his 2024 campaign at mar a lago out there, melania was there but she was largely laying low. as trump traveled the country entering not guilty pleas melania was not there. she is yet to show up on the campaign trail. with a month before the iowa caucuses, c's on september meet the press trump also tried to defuse speculation about his wife's whereabouts.

>> she is a very confident person and she loves our country very much. she'll be at the appropriate time she'll be out there. >> so where has melania been? she's been spending time at various trump properties though reportedly rarely mixes with club members at mar a lago. she focuses on barron, made a handful of appearances last year that earned her about half a million dollars for both the log cabin republicans and a group called fix california. just last month, another rare appearance at another appearance in atlanta for former first lady rosalynn carter pr. this one titled melania's vision comes with a drawing as well as this recorded audio-message. >> my vision is look toward with inspiration, strength and courage.

>> she occasionally posts on social media, writing last month happy thanksgiving and when the wildfires tore through maui and are her home country my heart extends globally to the resilient people exposed to fires in hawaii and flooding in beautiful slovenia. a spokesman told the washington post last month, also trump has always been and will always be focused on her family, as it is her number one priority. any reports claiming to have insight into her life should be read with caution. melania's back television interview was back on fox, she happily teased a possible return to the white house. >> never say never. >> randy kay, cnn palm beach florida. >> comin g up, saying thanks to a true origiginal. wewe'll be rigight back.

before we go tonight, i want to say thank you to a friend and a colleague, phil littleton who announced he is retiring. phil is one of the best photojournalists i have ever worked with. our first job together was in

sri lanka after the tsunami hit. my team and i tried to make sure he traveled with us wherever we went which meant afghanistan, talking to village olders, leaders. we criss-crossed the country. went to the amazon in brazil. cambodia, thailand. rwanda, the democratic republic of congo. greenland, south africa. countless spots in the u.s. so i got to know phil pretty well. he was always a bit of a rogue character in the best possible sense. i could tell his old friend christiane amanpour was suspicious of him. hello phillip, she would say curtly. then they would chuckle about an inside joke i have been sworn to secrecy not to reveal. phil was tireless. it was like time zones didn't affect him which made sense in

a way because phil, a native of south africa, was really never bound to one place he was always willing to stay on the move. to work. to great great pictures. he is headed to an undisclosed location, no doubt scaring the neighbors. thanks for everything phil. we will miss y you. thatat does it for us. the sourcece with kalelen colll isis up nextxt. have a a great weeeekend.