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supreme court says, not so fast, to special counsel jack smith, giving the former president's go-slow legal strategy a big boost. the former president says he knows nothing about hitler, while repeating and defending his hitler-like language. plus a survivor of the october 7th massacre and her remarkable journey. good evening. anderson is off tonight. and we begin with the supreme court's decision not to decide, at least just yet, the central question that could invalidate many of the charges against the former president. namely, does donald trump enjoy immunity from prosecution for actions he took as president? the judge in his january 6th trial ruled he did not. special counsel jack smith asked the supreme court to bypass the d.c. circuit and take it now. and today the court said no. cnn's katelyn polantz joins us with more. kate lynne, we have a decision,

not a clear understanding of an explanation of why the justices decided this. walk us through what we know, how many votes this got and so forth. >> we don't know how many votes. we just know the supreme court says, not yet, not right now, we're not going to look at this appeal that donald trump has on a question that really has to be figured out by appeals courts, very likely the supreme court, before he can sit for trial. and it's a question of whether trump has immunity because he was president that would allow him to essentially be avoiding any trial as a criminal defendant. and so what is happening now is that instead of it going di directly to the supreme court after the trial judge made the decision and said, no donald trump, you do not have muimmuni, we're not going to dismiss this case against you, you're going to go to trial. instead it's going to go to the d.c. circuit court of appeals. they are indicating they are ready to go very fast. they have oral arguments set for

january, which is really fast for that court, and could rule quite soon after that. we won't know until they do. but then after that, then it would go potentially back to the supreme court, where the question would be posed again and the supreme court would have to decide if they take it. >> so, that could have affected the supreme court's decision, how quickly the appeals court is taking this up. just to be clear, this needed five votes from the justices, right? we don't know if there were any -- or not, none made public. >> it was one line denying the petition at this time. they do know and they do see that the d.c. circuit was moving very fast with this appeal. we just don't know what the thinking was or what the vote was. >> the big question is, what would this mean for the trial potentially? it's still on the books, but whether it happens in march is in question? >> it's on the books for march 4th. everything in preparation for the trial is on hold, although there was a lot already done to prepare for that trial. evidence was turned over. other rulings were made by the

trial judge. but it is on hold until this is figured out by an appeals court. this is the one issue that really can go up on appeal before trump would have to go to trial. there are other things he's trying to toss the case because of the law he's charged under. the immunity question really does have to get figured out. and you know, once it is figured out, there's a couple of things that the trial court has to do still before trial take place. so, that date could move. but it all depends on how fast all of the appeals process plays out here. >> the bottom line, this is a blow to jack smith and a win for donald trump for now. >> at least for now. >> katelyn polantz, thank you so much. i want to bring in retired federal judge nancy gertner and also "new york times" political correspondent maggie haberman and cnn legal analyst karen freeman agnifilo. what does it say to you that the supreme court decided not to take this up directly, as special counsel jack smith had

requested? >> i have two feelings about it. one is that you understand that in 19 cases, the supreme court, under trump, took up an immediate appeal on abortion cases, on student loan, on affirmative action, cases that were far less weighty than this. on the one hand. on the other hand, the lack of a dissent suggests that the supreme court may be -- they think that the d.c. circuit is moving fast enough. they have oral arguments scheduled for january 9th, and they're waiting for that decision. and then they could move expeditiously. they may want the cover of the district court -- of the district's d.c. circuit decision before they move. in other words, they've already seen a court of appeals that is moving quickly, so this doesn't necessarily indicate they're going to take it up expeditiously if it's already expeditiously being taken up in the d.c. circuit. that may be why there's no dissent. >> there was no dissent made

public. there could have been dissents, right? but we don't know whether there was because they weren't made public, correct? >> right. but in a case as important as this, you would have seen dissents to the denial. that's not unusual. so, one theory here -- and it's only a theory -- is that the apparent unanimity may mean that the d.c. circuit is moving quite quickly and they'd be willing to go once the d.c. circuit makes its decision. and if it makes its decision and says the stay is lifted, then the trial before judge chutkan can go ahead. they'd have to move again for a stay before the supreme court. in other words, there are very -- a number of possibilities here that still could suggest an expeditious decision, even if we don't see it right now. >> karen, were you surprised by the court's decision? >> not really surprised, but it -- the name of the game here for trump, though, is to delay.

he does not want this case to go to trial. and so a little bit of time, even if it does -- even if it moves expeditiously, don't forget, this case could now -- this time period could bump into march 24th, which is when the alvin bragg/stormy daniels case is scheduled to go. so, any amount of time that this case gets pushed, that case is scheduled to go march 24th. so, then this case would have to go after that. and then of course you're right in the middle of the election. so, any amount of delay here is actually practically a win for trump. >> so, maggie, the former president almost immediately began fundraising off of this decision. how much does his team see this as a win? >> look, it's as was just said. they are playing a game of inches, and those inches are what can get them as close to the election or past the election as possible, because a number of trump's advisers have been very clear about this.

he will, if he wins, order the justice department to drop these cases. so, he does not want this case to go to trial. it's not good for any nominee of a major party to be sitting in court during the general election. so, yes, they view this as a win. and they would say it was a win frankly even if it wasn't. it haez been very good for fundraising for them. but i don't think we know exactly what this means. we don't know how long delay this is. there are still a number of questions. >> just to follow up. maggie, you and i did a lot of reporting at the end of trump's term about whether he was going to pardon himself. we know he had asked about it. i wonder if in your reporting, trump gets any sense trump regrets he didn't pardon himself at the end and whether it's something he would consider if he did win and obviously doesn't go to trial before? >> i haven't heard that he's voicing any regrets about that, pam, although it's certainly possible he is. remember, it's not a question that has clear litigation around it. there would be court challenges

if he had pardoned himself. that would be the case if he did it again, which is why i've heard the likier avenue he would like is to have charges dropped against him by the doj that he would then control. but he never rules out anything, as you know. he always considers everything up until the last. >> that is very true. judge gertner, how do you see the appeals court responding to this? >> well, i mean, i think judge chutkan's order was really very solid, that there's no way that a president, a former president, can escape criminal liability for what he did in office, that it's fair to say that whatever he did with respect to the january 6th allegations, he was doing it not in his official duty, not within the perimeters of his job, but rather inso far as he was conducting a campaign. and the second argument, which had to do that somehow he was just following his impeachment trial is double jeopardy is simply laughable. so, i think that the chances are the d.c. circuit will affirm

judge chutkan. and there's a possibility that the supreme court would simply say, yes, after that. you know, we really don't know. and i don't think that this necessarily spells, you know -- indicates what they're going to do one way or the other. >> i think that's an important point. just because they didn't take it up now that doesn't foretell what they could decide on the central question here when we're talking about the supreme court. karen, the question that will likely return to the supreme court after it goes through the appeals court depending on what happens. how much do you think the appearance of politicization weighs into the court's calculus at this point? >> well, look, one question that remains unanswered is, will clarence thomas, for example, recuse himself from this case the way many democrats have called for his recusal because of the appearance of politics? there should never be politics play -- there's a separation of powers for a reason, right? so, politics should never play

or be a factor at all in the judge's decision. but at the end of the day, you know, donald trump is running for president. and whether or not the american people get to know a verdict in this particular case before they vote for an election largely will depend on what the courts do and whether we get to have a trial, whatever the outcome is one way or another. >> maggie, back to you. you were talking about how the trump campaign just jumps on any incremental development, right? they did today with another small case out of west virginia, acting like it's this a massive deal. obviously, these cases tend to fire up the base. we have seen the polling after that it seems like his popularity only rises. but do you think the sheer magnitude of the charges, the court dates, and the appearances may end up having a negative impact on him in the general if he wins in a primary? >> i think it's important to remember that as much as we all pay a lot of attention to him, i don't think that the general

election electorate is paying that much attention to him or what is happening. i don't think they're that tuned in to the specifics around these trials or the charges that he's facing. and i just don't think this is a good fact set, pam. i don't think any of this is helpful to him. if we assume that the two trials that are likeliest to go ahead next year if they do are the alvin bragg case and the january 6th washington case, his folks consider the alvin bragg case to not be as much of a problem for him because they think they can convince folks it is cheaper than others. the fact set around what happened leading up to january 6th and his efforts to subvert the election results is going to involve a parade of his current and former advisers showing up to testify that he was -- saying. who knows where the world will be in six months? but, no, what is helpful to him in a primary is not helpful to

him necessarily in a general election. >> important context there. thanks, everyone. i hope you have a great holiday weekend. thanks for being with us tonight. up next michigan secretary of state revealed phone recording of the former president after the 2020 election, pressuring officials there to reject his losing results in the state's biggest county. and later how the southern border is, as one official put it, near a breaking point under the strain of a migrants. we're going to go there live.

well, when we left you last night, news had just broken about a recording of a call the former president made to a pair of michigan election officials following the 2020 vote. and on it, according to "the detroit news," which heard the audio, the former president pushed them not to certify election results from detroit, which he lost by a wide margin. the question i asked last night, what if anything can michigan officials do about it. joining us now is secretary of state jocelyn benson. thank you so much, madam secretary, for coming on. now the details about this call are out there, how significant is this in your view? what do you think happens next? >> first, thanks for having me. i think we've always known about this call. we've known and i wasn't

surprised by the content of it at all, as gut wrenching as it is to hear a former president try to pressure local election officials to not do their legal duty and certify valid election results. so, next it becomes this question of what, if any, legal culpability exists for this. it's notable that the detroit news article did so through an anonymous source. i don't think through that lens we'll get any details about the source material or who recorded it. i am confident there will be some culpability for any crimes committed either revealed in this recording or at any point in this postelection effort. >> do you believe a crime was committed based on what's in the recording? >> i do. i certainly think this was one of a string of illegal attempts to block the certification of our election results in michigan and to threaten or con joel or even bribe officials who had a

legal duty to certify the results. i'm the chief election officer. i have a lot of respect for those looking for legal culpability here at the state level as well as the federal investigation. my office will simply continue to cooperate with everyone investigating these efforts to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> you were interviewed by special counsel jack smith. i know you're not aware of whether his office has this recording. were you able to provide any evidence that essentially corroborates what trump was trying to do in this recording? >> you know, when i met with federal investigators, as well as individuals at the january 6th commission in congress, we consistently walked them through what was lived out in realtime, where we saw commission wayne county board of commissioners pressured, and also how we saw citizens step up and ensure that their votes would count. so, we'll continue to cooperate

and have those conversations. also notably these conversations happen in other states as well. we all heard the tape in georgia, the conversation that occurred there with the former president trying to pressure my colleague, brad raffensperger, to find votes as well. we also know this was not an isolate ds incident. and that is why a federal investigation is important. >> it wasn't an isolated incident. i'm wondering, given the fact donald trump is running for president again, how concerned are you about local officials' ability to withstand potential pressure in the next election cycle if trump loses again? >> we've been preparing for that, frankly, since january 6, 2021, where it became very clear to me that we were witnessing the beginning, not the end, of what has turned out to be a multi-year effort to subvert our elections and harm citizens' faith in their democracy. so, we are prepared. we've got a strategy ourselves in michigan, and we're

coordinating and working with my colleagues in the other battleground states as well because we are fully prepared -- hoping for the best but preparing for every contingency and every tactic and every lever that could be pulled again, if any losing candidate would try to subvert the will of the people in 2024. >> how do you prepare? what are you planning to do differently next time around if it happens than you did last time? just help us understand, what do you do? >> well, two things we've already done. one is make sure we have strengthened our laws here in michigan and in other states to both protect election officials from threats and also protect and require the certification process to be by the book, with clear penalties if people stray from the law. so, we've tightened those pieces up. of course the federal act has well has been helpful in that regard. in addition, we've worked to recruit and train more election workers and require everyone working elections to adhere to a

code of conduct so we minimize any internal disruptions or mall f malfeasance. in addition to that, handling the narrative side, which is about telling people the truth and preparing them for a deluge of misinformation that we know will hit our state and our voters in the months ahead and the post election process. citizens need to consider this critical information. >> i mean, donald trump's already -- he's continuing to say that if he loses next november that the election is rigged by democrats. he just said it today. that misinformation continues. secretary of state benson, thank you so much. up next -- >> thanks for having me. >> thank you. up next, a live report from the southern borders, new numbers on the growing influx of migrants. plus the former president triples down twofold on one of his claims that these migrants are poisoning the country's blood, and two, that he's not borrowing language from hitler. plus, with the caucuses just

25 days from now, gary tuchman talks to iowans about what they all mamake of this.

a record number of migrants are being apprehended at the u.s./mexico border on a daily basis, with some officials warning the system is near a breaking point. the u.s. customs and border protection reports the seven-day average this month is more than 9,600 encounters with migrants. that's up from 6,800 at the end of november. also, there are more than 26,000 migrants in u.s. custody this week. that's nearly 10,000 over capacity. and lawmakers on capitol hill are still at a standstill on what to do about the crisis.

cnn's rafael romo joins us now from the border crossing in eagle pass, texas. first off, what are you seeing on the border tonight, rafael? >> reporter: hi, pamela. we're at a migrant camp here in eagle pass. we're right next to the u.s. border with mexico. behind me, you can see a holding area of border patrol as, take immigrants, ones that surrender, to authorities so they can wait there before being processed. this is happening only hours after customs and border protections released the latest apprehensions. the u.s. border patrol recorded a total of 191,113 of what they called encounters with immigrants, meaning either apprehensions or people that turned themselves in. that compares to 4,000 more than the month of october. but these are only people who cross the border at sites other than a point of entry.

if we add everybody else, pam, the figure is close to a quarter of a million. and releasing the latest figures, top immigration officials recognize they're facing a serious challenge along the u.s. border. he also said that cvp and other federal agencies need more resources from congress to both enhance the security at the border and the country as a whole. and the reality is that the impact to communities to like eagle pass is brutal. this is a city of less than 30,000 people. local officials say they're having to deal with this crisis with little or no help from the federal government. earlier this week, we heard from congressman tony gonzalez, a republican, whose district includes two-thirds of the texas border. he says the situation here at the border is at a breaking point. pamela? >> so, what is the white house saying about this crisis then and this claim from officials there, the local officials on the ground, that the federal government just isn't doing

enough? >> reporter: yeah. they say they're doing everything they can. they point the resources that are needed not only in terms of personnel but also equipment to help the border patrol, cvp, and everybody involved here. also the local and state agencies. but the reality is that the people that we've talked to here feel that it's not yet enough, especially when it talks to resources, local hospitals, places that these migrants have to go to because they have no other option. pam? >> rafael romo, thank you. the former president weighed in today about the language he's been using repeatedly to describe unauthorized immigrants, also about his resemblance to adolf hitler's. as to the former president saying these immigrants are destroying the blood of the country, he repeated it. >> when you look at it, look at what's coming in, from all over the world -- not one group. they're coming in from asia, from africa, from south america.

they're coming from all over the world. they're coming from prisons. they're coming from mental institutions and insane asylums. they're terrorists. absolutely, that's poisoning our country, that's poisoning the blood of oour country. >> notably he did not include people from europe. his wife melania is an immigrant in eastern europe. as for borrowing from hitler, listen. >> first of all, i know nothing of hitler. i'm not a student of hitler. i never read his works. they said he said something about blood. he didn't say it the way i said it, by the way. it's a very different kind of statement. what i'm talking about people coming into our country is they are destroying our country. >> if you look at what hitler said, the similarities are striking. here's hitler in mein kampf talking about juews. hitler uses similar language for immigrants connecting, quote, the poison which has invaded the

national body to a quote, influx of foreign blood. also false, his claim of not knowing about hitler. reporters and trump biographers have documented his long-standing fascination with the man. but in any case, whether he read hitler's works or not, his language is strikingly similar. and though toxic to many, it is appealing to more than just a few. like in iowa, where he used it this week. recent polling shows that 42% of republican voters say the former president's claim that immigrants are, quote, poisoning the blood of the country, makes them more likely to support him. however, some of those voters, iowa farmers, rely heavily on immigrant labor. so, how do they feel? "360's" gary tuchman reports. >> reporter: cory, his wife and children have a farm in iowa. >> we grow organic corn, soybeans, and oats are our three main crops.

>> reporter: about 50 miles south in the city of fort dodge, father and son gary and dave nelson also farm corn and soybeans. >> how many acres do you have on the farm? >> so, it's about 5,000 acres. >> reporter: both families have successful businesses and have had the same political outlook. >> who did you vote for in president in 2016 and 2020? >> i voted for trump. >> both times? >> both times. >> in 2016 and 2020, who did you vote for? >> donald trump. >> both times? >> mm-hmm. >> what about you? >> i voted for donald trump both times. >> reporter: cory fair says during the heart of the season, he needed about 90 workers. >> are there enough americans to take those jobs? >> there are not. >> reporter: cory had 72 migrants working on his farm this year legally under the government h2a program. he thinks the government needs to make it easier for migrants to come to the u.s. and work. he hasn't seen what former president trump declared about

undocumented workers coming across the border. >> it's crazy what's going on. they're ruining our country, and it's join. they're destroying the blood of oour country. that's what they're doing. >> reporter: so, we asked you, how does that make you feel about the man you voted for twice? >> that brings out a side of him -- i guess i haven't decided what i'm going to do this year. >> about whether to vote for him? >> right. >> what do you think about the people who work for you who just left for the season would think about those seasons? >> they would be offended by that. >> reporter: gary and dave nelson said they will likely hire migrant workers in the future under the same government program. we also showed them the trump video. >> i don't think it was appropriate. my ancestors came at one time, and maybe the same thing was thought about them. but they turned out to be great contributors to our country. >> do you find offensive to use that term, the blood of our country? >> that's harsh words. it's not proper. it's not fitting for a

presidential candidate. >> do you wish he didn't say that? >> definitely. i mean he's using words from things like that in our past, the nazi piece in that. and that's been the hard thing with trump is just too many times things are said that it's, like, whether it's taken out of context or he's using examples that don't apply in these situations. >> son, dave, doesn't know who he wants for president at this point. father, gary, is supporting ron desantis. recent polling does show that a plurality of iowa caucus goers are more likely to support trump because of his comments. at the groggy dog restaurant in iowa -- >> it's true. they're destroying the blood of our country. that's what they're doing. >> reporter: -- i showed the video to one of the customers, and this trump supporter is okay with it. >> does it make you more supportive of donald trump? >> yeah because he's pretty, like i said, straightforward. he spells it out for you right there, what he wants and what he

wants to do to make our country better. >> so, you don't think it's offensive? >> no. no. >> reporter: outside the restaurant -- >> do you think the comments are offensive? >> to some. >> is it offensive to you? >> no. >> reporter: to be clear, the farmers we talked to do not favor illegal immigration. what they favor is more legal immigration. u.s. agriculture, they say, needs it. if you could talk to former president trump and give him a message about his language and how to handle the situation, what would you say to him? as a farmer. >> yeah. we need them to get our work done here. they're a necessity. and there's a lot of good people that come. >> and gary joins us now from iowa. gary, have most of the people you talked with seen the video of donald trump making these comments before you talk with them? >> reporter: pamela, the answer is no. most of the people we have met have not seen the video of these

comments by donald trump. and many of the people didn't even know about the comments. so, when we talk with these loyal republicans, first i read the comments to them. and some of those people said, yes, i'm on board with that. but then the same people, i showed them the video and that's much more vivid when you see a video and when you see mr. trump seeing this and when you hear him saying that, and some of those people then said, maybe i'm not okay with that. maybe that was a bit mean. that's what we heard from people we talked with. i think the video made a dichbs in their impressions. >> gary tuchman, thank you so much. up next, anderson speaks with thrhree israelis s whith t loved onones who arere still hostages i in gaza.

well, the u.n. security council today passed a long-delayed resolution on the israel-hamas conflict. it calls for urgent and extended humanitarian pauses and the establishment of safe corridors throughout gaza. the measure passed with the united states and russia abstaining. we also learned today that israeli american hostage -- has died in gaza. he was wounded during his abduction from his kibbutz. his wife remains in captivity. he was 73. recently anderson spoke with three israelis, whose loved ones are still being held. natalie, her mom and dad, razz and ohad, were taken on october

7th. razz has since been freed. there is video of nama's abduction. it is, as you might imagine, difficult to watch but important to see because this is what really happened. [ sound of gunfire ] [ bleep ] [ speaking in a non-english language ] [ sirens ]

[ speaking in a non-english language ] >> anderson spoke with nama's brother and sister, along with -- daughter, natalie.here . >> how do you get through the days? i mean, it's been almost 70 days. it's unthinkable. >> it's really unthinkable. we get through the days by keeping on reminding ourselves, us and our parents, keeping remind reminding ourselves that nama is the strongest person we all know and that she's probably going through horrific things that really are unthinkable. that's the word, i think.

>> your mom has been outspoken about fears about what may be happening to your sister. >> we share the same fears, obviously. we all saw the video. our parents are filled with blood and she walks barefoot, with a terrorist holding a gun right next to her head. >> natalie, how are you holding up? >> i'm fine but can't really be fine. >> your mom -- your mom and dad were taken. there's video. did you see that video of them early on, or was that -- did that come out days later? >> there is a video of my mom that come out a few days later. but there is a photo of my dad that we got on the same day. >> your mom was returned in a release. how is she? >> not so good.

like, she's trying to be fine, but she's not. you can see in her. i mean, like, she's traumatized. >> what do you want people to know about your sister? >> she was a peace seeker. >> a peace seeker? >> yeah. she was part of a program that israeli teenagers, palestinian teenagers, and american teenagers were going on a trip to talk about peace, talk with each other, try to hear the other side, try to hear other people's position. >> what do you want people to hear about your dad? >> i want him to come back like he was before, like that smily person that tries to make everybody laugh. it's hard to say it, but not in a body bag. >> natalie, you returned to your

home in the kibbutz, and your home has been destroyed. >> our home is ruined. many houses in the kibbutz were burned with people inside. >> is there anything else you want people to know, you want to say? >> we need to bring them back now. now. if not now, they could be dead or, i don't know, too traumatized to be able to keep living their life again. >> just that i really miss naama and that i love her. maybe cnn is on a screen in gaza. maybe she'll be able to see this. >> what would you want her to know? >> that we love her and that we're doing everything we can. >> and we need all the -- we

need everyone. we need to bring them back. we need them back. and i would love to give you this necklace. it's written, our heart is in gaza. >> thank you very much. i appreciate that. >> there is one more thing that it's very important. not many people know or think about it that way, but hamas is terror organization. he came to our house and he took my parents, and he came to other houses in be'eri and nir oz and all of this area, and he killed babies. he killed grown ups. he took teenagers, even

teenagers, to gaza. the world will have to know about that. they are not freedom fighters. >> some things are just bad sometimes. no one now will argue that the nazis were bad. i.s.i.s., al quaeda, are the worst. hamas is the same. we know that we, for now, suffering from it. but the end, the good will win. we're all optimistic about that. and history won't forgive the people who are silent against evil in these times. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. and still ahead, a cnn exclusive. one woman thought death was imminent, when she ran, as hamas attacked the music fesestival o october r 7th. thananks to a ststranger, shshe saved. she was never ablele to thank k untitil now.

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now the story of a woman who ran when a gunman attacked a music festival on october 7th. she thought she wouldn't survive until a stranger came to her rescue and . >> seeing the smoke reminds me of the noises that bring me back to that day.

>> in southern israel, you don't need a map to know you are near gaza. >> why do you want to go back? the loud boom near our car rattling native new yorker natalie. >> we got scared we were being shot at. >> the last time she was on this road, natalie was running for her life. just after sunrise on saturday, october 7th, rocket interception scene from the dance floor at the nova music festival, militants killed more than 350 people, mostly young, mostly jewish, mostly unarmed. >> i feel so lucky that i made it out, that i got out alive. i feel like it's my duty to be that voice for all those who

weren't as lucky as me . >> the sense of duty is why she is returning to israel for the first time since the attacks. >> seeing all of these spaces and knowing people that loved the spaces. >> faces of friends who never made it home. >> i was dancing right next to them, you know. >> it could have been you? >> the music festival campsite, now a face -- place where families come to grieve. rockets in the sky, all she could do was run. many took cover in bathrooms, ditches, most of them ended up dead, four hours of running, exhausted, dehydrated, natalie collapsed. >> we have nowhere to run to. where will we run into? kind of like that one, yeah . >> the man behind the wheel, not a terrorist, from a nearby village, natalie never got his

name but only tracked him down a few days ago. it's why she has come back, to thank him. they are about to meet for the first time since that day. the man, fighting back tears, and israeli father of four, who left home and drove directly into danger, not once, or twice, more than 10 trips, to and from the music festival site. [ speaking in a global language ] >> you live so close to this, but, were you prepared fully for what you saw on october 7th? >> [ speaking in a global language ] things like this, you can't forget. i'll never forget what i saw. it's very, very tough.

>> haunted by the horrors he saw, heartened by the lives he saved. >> so many people were saved in this truck. >> natalie, one of well over 100 people he packed into his pickup, and drove to safety. >> this truck saved so many lives. and it looks like an average truck. i stood right there in that corner. if it wasn't for him, i don't think i would have been here today. >> one bright chapter on a very packed day. >> i understand that natalie has been the target of hateful messages since sharing her story, tell us more? >> reporter: that was one interesting thing she said, she never expected after putting her story out there, people would flood her social media with these anti-semitic comments and she actually says, that despite what happened here and israel, despite the attacks, she feels safer here than she does back in the united states.

in new york, that is a melting pot of diversity and she said right now there's so much anti- israel sentiment. she wanted to keep putting herself out there to remind people this began with the horrific tragedies putting a human face on all the people who lost their lives in the event that started this horrific war. >> very sad she's having to go through that. thank you. up next a verdict in the case of two colorado medics charged in the death of elijah mclean after injecting him w wi ketatamine..

a quick update on a story that we followed from the beginning, the 2019 death of elijah mcclain in colorado after police forcibly restrained him and paramedics gave him a lethal dose of the drug ketamine. today to work convicted. ms. continues, the source starts now. happy holidays