the power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. and that's a good thing? great in my book! who are you? no power? no problem. introducing storm-ready wifi. now you can stay reliably connected through power outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery back-up to keep you online. only from xfinity. home of the xfinity 10g network. hello again. and welcome. it's time to get together with some smart people, to break down the biggest stories. today, we're looking ahead to the new year. and asking, in the republican presidential race, who will be donald trump's biggest threat?

nikki haley or ron desantis? then an issue affecting many of you watching right now, to bundle or not to bundle? what does the future of streaming look like? and take out your funny hats and glasses we're giving the yea or nay to the biggest new years tradition. the panel is here and raring to go. so sit back, relax and let's talk about it. up first, what is likely to be the story of 2024, the race for president. if you believe the polls, we're looking at a biden/trump rematch. in a world where people say and do pretty much anything and can still get elected, we're left asking, is a surprise still possible? the next few weeks may answer that. in politics, the new year means, after months of candidates talking, voters finally get

their say. donald trump is still the clear leader, with nikki haley and ron desantis vying to become the main challenger. voting kicks off in iowa. >> on monday, january 15th, we're going to win the iowa caucuses. >> where trump is way ahead in recent polls. >> we have a mission. january 15th. we are going to win the iowa caucus. >> it could be make or break for desantis. who spent heavily there on tv, and a ground game. eight days later, it is new hampshire. where polls show haley's numbers growing. >> the next president of the united states, nikki haley, as she hopes governor chris sununu's endorsement will proheld her to an upset win. a month later, republicans head to haley's home state of south carolina where trump wants to end the race on her turf. >> with your help, we're going to win the south carolina primary by a lot. >> while haley looks for a home win to keep the race going. >> god bless you, south carolina. thank you so much. >> here with me today, katherine

rampell, opinion columnist for the "washington post," reihan salam, president of the manhattan institute, and national review contributing editor. "new york times" contributing writer, jane coasten, and author and conservative pollster, kristen soltis-anderson. welcome to all of you. kristen, let me begin with you, who is the bigger threat to donald trump to the degree that there is one? desantis or haley? >> haley. desantis has had a very rough 2023. he came into this race as the presumed strongest challenger to donald trump, and yet his numbers have really only ticked downward, and whether it is inside baseball, you know, operational failures, super pac, et cetera, he just has not proven that he has the strategy to take on trump. now, haley has a very big uphill climb ahead of her. but right now, there is at least a path, if you squint your eyes, you can see a way she might pull

this off. >> the campaign projects that he will formally clinch the republican nomination by the primaries on march 19th which include florida. take a look at this. this is a, if there's a crack in his run to the nomination, the first sign of it could be in new hampshire, where nikki haley has 29%, closer, but still 15 points behind trump. katherine, if haley were to win or finish a close second in new hampshire, and then go on to win her home state of south carolina, in february, is there a chance? >> so you're saying there's a chance. yes, i think there could be a tiny, tiny, tiny chance. i mean she definitely presents a more credible alternative to trump in a way that i don't think desantis does. for example, desantis i think of as sort of a trump-like type

figure. nikki haley, although obviously had served in the trump administration, does feel like she could present a more competitive alternative platform, both because she is viewed as more moderate, and because, you know, there are a lot of suburban moms throughout who maybe, suburban independent moms throughout, who see her as a more competitive alternative to biden in fact. >> of course, there's another factor in all of this, and that is the fact that donald trump faces four criminal indictments on 91 felony counts. but so far, that only seems to have boosted him, not to have hurt him. but, take a look at this poll in "the new york times" this week, which found that 24% of trump supporters say he should not be the nominee if he's convicted of a crime. jane, if these cases get to trial, and a bigger situation,

if donald trump is convicted of any of these, what what do you think the impact would be on his standing if it were to happen during the primaries to get the republican nomination, or whether f-it were to happen later in the general election in the fall. >> i think it would be catastrophic. i think we keep doing this thing where we pretend that anything bad for anyone else is good for trump and if trump got hit by a car, there would be reports, this will only help trump win the nomination. it's not good to be indicted. it's not good to be convicted. >> but let me just say, the fact is in the polls, he has gone up since he's been indicted. >> he's gone up with the people who already support him who view all of these charges as being part of the deep state's actions against him. let's keep in mind that most people are not following politics mostly. most people who will be voting in the general election do not follow politics closely. and most of those people will look at the person who has been convicted of a criminal offense and say he's bad.

i think that we really have managed to excise the normi vote on the conversation and we spoke so much about the base and so many who supported trump in 2016 and so many who have put so much emphasis on their relationship with donald trump, most people who even voted for him aren't like that, they voted for him in 2016 because of judges or they voted for him in 2020 because of abortion. in 2024, it is going to be a little bit different. especially if he is convicted. that's how most people view politics. >> reihan, is jane right? or do you think that a trump conviction, and again, this is an if, a trump conviction would hurt him and change things in terms of his viability either for the republican nomination, or in the fall, or what doesn't kill him, does it make him stronger? >> i certainly find it realistic that it would hurt him. i also think that you need to pay attention to the larger playing field. keep in mind that robert f. kennedy jr. is looming out there. you have a variety of other minor presidential bids out there.

and when it is a question of which candidate has the largest, most solid base of support, in what could be a series of plurality contests in swing states i think it looks pretty good for donald trump, even in the event that he does face a conviction. >> then there is the rematch that most people don't want. but still seems to be moving around and likely. and here is the latest mon mouth poll that shows that joe biden has the lowest approval rating so far. 34%. one-third of voters nationally in this poll approve of the job he is doing, almost two-thirds disapprove. i am going to ask you a question i have asked you before, and i am going to ask you a question i'm sure i am going to ask you throughout 2024, what are the chances that joe biden drops out of the race, either on his own volition or because what's left of the democratic party elders, come to him, and say enough? >> i think the time for this has almost already passed. unless there is a very tough

conversation between joe biden and his family, or joe biden and his doctors, those are the only two things that i think at this point will get him out of the race. because i think even if the grand ppobas of the democratic party come to him and say we need a plan b, the fact of the matter is there is not a really great plan b sitting out there and that would be the necessary -- >> i guess the question is, if you're at 34%, isn't anything, any plan b better? i mean we don't really know what a gretchen whitmer or a gavin newsom would do in a race. >> that's right. so when you poll a generic democrat against donald trump, generic democrat does really great. but there is no such thing as a generic democrat and joe biden may be as close as you can get to generic democrats, so that's why i'm skeptical that the democrats had a better plan than joe biden. except to make donald trump even more noxious to voters than he already has. to try to say to voters with joe

biden, you didn't deliver on the unity and the calm and stability that you promised, you think i'm bad, this guy is going to be even worse. >> it is going to be an interesting 2024. no matter who wins the white house, they will have a full plate of global concerns for the middle east, to europe, to china. up next, which international hot spots will cool off and which ones will get even hotter. then, if you think ai is big now, wait until the new year. should we still be scared of the growing technology? and later, is elon musk the year's biggest flop? these guys give us their top winners and losers of 2023.

two big stories sure to dominate the headlines in 2024 are the wars in israel and

ukraine. while both countries ended their conflicts with broad international support, entered their conflicts with broad number support, they are starting the new year finding themselves increasingly isolated. >> a soaring civilian death toll in gaza changing what used to be global support for the war against hamas. most country nous asking for a cease-fire. >> 153 in favor. >> israel's closest ally, the u.s., still by its side, but president biden starting to show patience is wearing thin. >> i want them to be focused on how to save civilian lives, not stop going after hamas, but be more careful. >> and then there is ukraine, deadlocked with russia for months. one of its generals recently describing the conflict as a stalemate. >> this winter is different. it has its challenges, unfortunately. >> the lack of progress leading to funding fatigue among western

allies. >> i don't know why we would write another blank check. >> with the white house saying aid will run out by the new year, biden is pushing for new funding. >> we can't let putin win. >> with no end in sight. both conflicts remain tinder boxes for wider regional wars. >> so catherine, how does the israel-hamas war end? will israel just keep bombing until they destroy hamas? or at some point will they bow to international pressure? >> what makes you think this war can end? it's been going on, in some sense for thousands of years, and the latest iteration arguably 70, 75 years. i think even if there is an end in a very narrow sense, even if israel keeps bombing until they think they have completely crushed hamas, my fear is that some proet hamas type will rise from the issues just as we have seen before but i think israel

will keep destroying as much as they can, understandably in some sense, you know, they want to defend their citizenry, until they think the threat is crushed, but i just don't think realistically the threat will ever be dead. >> in terms of the immediate war, and i take catherine's point, i kind of called out the conflict, how do this war end, and what about the anger inside israel at netanyahu, especially because of what happened on october 7th, and what he's perceived as his failure to protect the country? in a sense does he have to keep waging war to keep staying in power? >> so i think that the internal pressure is a much bigger factor here than external international pressure. israel has never been beloved by the rest of the world necessarily. but inside of israel, questions about, are you doing everything possible to get hostages out. what about the safety of hostages that are inside of gaza right now? to what extent were there security failures or warnings ahead of time? these sorts of things in the

immediate follow of tragedy, people will sort of rally around their leader a little bit but i expect netanyahu to face increasing pressure domestically, and that more than anything internationally will be what will change his strategy. >> and reihah, what happens the day after the war, in the most immediate limited sense ends? who is going to be in charge of gaza? >> the important thing to keep in mind is that publicly, you have various arab governments that are condemning israel. privately, you have the egyptians, the jordanians and others who want israel to prosecute this war successfully because they're deeply concerned about the hamas represents and the muslim brotherhoods represents to their regimes. so my sense you will eventually get some kind of settlement, it will not likely be the palestinian authority but some sort of arab entity that will cooperate in governing gaza post-car. >> do you think it ends up being

a palestinian authority? do you think, what about the possibility that we hear about, which i don't think they want to do, other arab countries getting involved in some kind of administration? >> it's going to have to be some kind of combination. in part because you have governments like qatar which have actually helped fuel hamas in the first place. if they do not want to become rogue states, if they don't want to become pa rye yas they will need to be a part of the solution and i think that is realistic to see. >> jane, let's turn to the other conflict. what about ukraine? how does that end? >> well, i'm awful at chess, but if you play me in chess, it will take three and a half hours for you to beat me and you will hate yourself, and you will hate the game of chess. that's this conflict. i think let's go back to the beginning of this conflict, to russia's initial invasion, where some realists, were talking about how the war would be over in three months. that's not what happened. they are now in a stalemate. i don't think that ukraine will win this war, but i also don't

think that they're going to lose it. i think that at this point, we're stuck. i don't really see a future in which ukraine decides that they're going to give up territory to us, and especially because russia has for a long time now, they've been bringing out people who are imprisoned for murdering their spouses to fight in this war, and now you're seeing ukraine starting to recruit people who are in their 50s and early 60s to fight in this war. we're in a stalemate. and historically, a long grueling conflict on the eastern front doesn't end well for anyone. but i think that this is a point in which whatever victory looks like for either side will not be what they wanted it to look like two years ago. >> you know, it's interesting, if you take a world war one analogy, the basic front line, the trenches were formed by the end of 1914 -- >> and they never moved. >> they never moved. >> and in what, four years. >> and the deaths of thousands, in world war one, millions of

people. and i think that's what we're seeing here. it's interesting that someone who has spent a lot of time studying the eastern front of the second world war and what you see, the kind of grinding brutality of tank warfare, even the same experience of getting stuck in the mud of these steps, and then i think that what we're seeing is this is not war fought in 2023-2024, this is war fought like 1944, where it is just grueling -- >>. or 1918. >> right, it is grinding back and forth. yes with the aid of technology. but it is a grinding, grueling back and forth, where neither side can be truly satisfied. >> catherine, let me ask you, as our economic expert, about money. people drop out of presidential campaigns not because they're not still interested in being president, they don't have the money to keep running and there is the question do these countries have the money to keep fighting. putin clearly was counting from the very start on the west at

some point getting tired, and weary of funding ukraine, and funding this war. you're already seeing that happening in the west. especially here in the u.s. how much trouble is ukraine in? and doesn't putin have his own economic problems? >> absolutely. so jane talked about human resources. but there are other kinds of resources that both countries involved in this conflict are also desperately in need of. so in the case of ukraine, you know, the fact that they have been trying to and trying to and trying to to squeeze just a few more pennies out of the united states, and we can't find it within our budget to do so, at least we've been very much dragging our feet, that obviously degrades their ability to defend themselves. and if we do not get them the resources i fear it will not be a stalemate, it will be a much worse outcome for the ukrainians who are trying to defend their homeland. on the other side of the ledger, you also have russia, which you know, is basically a gas station

attached to a state, and natural gas prices, oil prices have been declining, and that's very bad for russia's war chest. but putin has been good at shaking out some, shaking down some foreign companies. >> could economics end up making it impossible for putin to continue prosecuting this war. >> at some point if he runs out of funds yes, it could be very difficult for him. all right. from global concerns to economic ones, up next, what's your spending to stream your favorite shows? and how that could change next year. plus, our panel gives us the biggest winners and losers of the year. and you're not going to want to miss who's making the list.

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technology. we're going to focus on three of the hottest areas. artificial intelligence, streaming, and electric vehicles. let's start with ai. this time last year, everyone was talking about chatgpt, the ai platform that can answer almost any question. now that's just one of several options as the technology has grown. and with it, the public's concern. a recent poll found 52% of americans feel more concerned than excited about the increased use of ai. so, catherine, are we going to learn to love ai or are we going to still be more concerned than excited about it? >> i think americans, i think the world over will continue to be freaked out by ai until it is part of the fabric of our daily lives. this is the history of human existence. every time there is a new disruptive technology that is introduced, whether it's, you know, the automated moves the

literal ludites had experienced, people will be freaked out, understandably so, it does affect people's livelihoods and then eventually we get used to it and new economic opportunities, and it is the definition of creative destruction, and i think that transition will not be fully complete by the end of next year, so i think people are still going to be worried. >> we hear, kristen, that ai will make our lives more efficient. we also hear, not so much, but that the ai overlords are going to crush us. what do you think we will focus on more in 2024, the promise of the ai or the paradigm? >> i think it is more the promise but it is true the availability of ai, till be more good or ill. and i think it is a lot like the moment where the internet became more integrated in average people's homes, it wasn't just like a dark hub thing. there is good stuff that comes from the internet, and it also

brings some bad stuff and i think we will see the same thing with ai, i do think over the next year, people's level of concern may drop a little, as it begins finding its way into their daily lives, in little perhaps more benign ways. >> you know, i remember when i went on the world wide web in the '90s for the first time, that i felt like i was hans solo in the millennium falcon and take me into super space. good to know. let's turn to streaming where consumers have more options now with higher prices. take a look. the total cost of all of these streaming services almost $100 a month which is pretty much the same as basic cable, so what's a consumer to do if you like more than one series, on more than one platform? reihan, are people going to keep streaming on all of these services, which ends up costing a lot of money? or are you going to see the streamers, the big corporations decide that the only efficient way for this to work is just to

start bundling as we see now with ad-supported netflix and more? >> there is a rapid scramble for consolidation. for example max is looking to acquire paramount. if you look to disney, they're looking to bring all of their assets under a single umbrella. i think that is going to intensify and i think it will represent a challenge. folks with this economic bow nan zpa za in which the streamers were spending money like drunken sailors, those days are over. >> jane, what happens to streaming? you saw an interesting case, this past year with disney, where disney + bundled with hulu and espn+, and they really dramatically reduced their churn rate. the churn rate for all three together was much less than the churn rate for each of the individuals. are we going to see bundling and streaming at the same time that we see debundling in cable? >> i think so. and i also think that it is important to remember that this all comes down to what consumers wish to do, and what consumers are willing to pay.

i have most of these services. and if the price keeps increasing, i will probably keep them. because those services are worth it to me. i need to watch sports. and i need to watch my nonsense british television. so i think that it is worth thinking about -- it is not from the perspective of the people who are making the content, from the people who are consuming it. what is it worth to you? what is it worth that now, say, peacock has every episode of criminal intent, the best of the law & orders, what is it worth to you that you can get espn live and now able to watch nfl games out of market? what does that mean to you as a consumer? because consumers are making those decisions. and i look at those prices and i still think, still to me, cheaper than what my cable bill looks like. so i think it is worth looking at it from the perspective of consumers. i am concerned about what this means for creatives, who is going to spend money on what, how many more "game of thrones" can we possibly have? but i'm thinking about this from consumers who are saying, actually, all of these offers, this bulk of content, that's

old. max has say every episode of our list, if you happen to remember that show. what does it mean to consumers that should be considered? >> i'm going to hook you up with the studio bosses because they love you. finally, electric vehicles. the shift away from gas cars is happening at a much smaller pace than automakers or the white house predicted. as companies scale back production and evs sit on the lots. politics is just as important as horse power. a recent poll found almost half of americans preferred a gas car no matter the cost. and interestingly enough, more than two-thirds of republicans go with gas, compared to just one quarter of democrats. so catherine, are you buying or selling the future of evs in this country? >> depends where the stock price is and the exact moment. but evs will take over. at some point, electrification of all sorts of things wins on pure economics alone. we're not there yet. but it's just going to be so

much cheaper in the long run to get as much of our power, whether it's for cars or heat or anything else, from free renewables. again, when you build the solar plant, when you build the wind plant, there is an upfront cost, but at some point the additional cost are free. the wind and the sunshine are free. that's what is going to make the difference. >> what about the infrastructure, you can go 150200 or whatever miles and then you have to plan for when you will get your charge. >> that is absolutely the challenge and that's part of the pain of the initial transition, and i think the real question is not if the transition to electric vehicles to heat pumps to all of these other renewable-based technologies, but if we do it quickly enough, to outpace climate change that is associated with all of these types of -- >> reihan, briefly, are you as bullish on the future of evs? >> absolutely not. the former ceo of toyota, he caused a huge furor by stating the obvious truth, which is if

you went to hybrid electric vehicles rather than battery electric vehicles we would achieve way bigger gains in achieving carbon emissions than otherwise but battery electric vehicles, it is not that these are fundamentally cheaper, you are putting it all in the battery, and china dominates that battery technology through dismantling an ice industry in a way that is very costly and dangerous so i think this is a big, big mistake, and we will see the reaction. >> well, okay. you're on your own, folks. coming up, our new years edition of yea or nay. including staying up to watch the ball drop in times square. find out who on our panel is still up at midnight and who isn't.

we're back with our group's yea or nay, on some new years traditions. first, staying up to midnight to watch the ball drop and ring in

the new year. new york city expects 1 million people to crowd into times square, with tens of millions more watching on tv. shameless plug. be sure to watch anderson and andy here on cnn. catherine, will you be staying up late to ring in 2024? >> absolutely. will i be going to times square? no. no self respecting new york we're ever do that but i will watch it on tv. >> i went to times square once when i was 14 years old and that's enough. >> what bathroom did you use? >> i didn't have to use a bathroom. >> reihan, will you be watching the ball drop on new years eve or sound asleep? >> my favorite tradition is watching a twilight zone marathon, on wpix in new york city, when i was a kid and i still love to watch those episodes but ball drop, come on it, is just a ball drop. no thanks. >> if i'm still up at midnight, something is going terribly wrong on december 31st. next for many americans, the

calendar change means it is time to change their lives, with the help of new years resolutions. a recent forbes survey found the most popular resolutions for this year were about fitness, finances, and your mental health. kristen, are you yea or nay on making a new years resolution? >> i am a yea on making a resolution. even if it is something that by the end of january you haven't really kept it, it is nice to try to take stock at the end of the year, what do i want to try to do a little bit more. >> what is your new years resolution. >> mine is less screen time. less looking at my phone. i find myself scrolling mindlessly through social media looking for new posts, i would be much better off reading a book, and not doing that. that's my goal. >> new years resolution? >> i like resolutions but i want people to do them. so often, if you spend a lot of time in the gym, you know the first two weeks in january, you can't get a seat or tread mill for the least of you, so i want people to not just resolve but do. i think that resolutions are

really important. but make a plan for how you actually want to do it. >> do you have one for 2024? >> my resolution would also be for less screen time. and that's why i have installed on a lot of my apps on my phone a time countdown to tell me how much more time i have yet to use it that day. >> finally, some people are hoping to break the ice with this new year's tradition. dating back more than 100 years, the polar plunge is still very popular. with people happily jumping into ice cold waters. this looks like agony to me. some do it to raise money for charity. while others just want to start the year with a shock. jane, will you be making the plunge? >> yes, i enjoy terrible things that are good for you and cold water plunging is excellent for your health. >> why? >> because it's good for your immune system. >> is that true? >> and good for your spiritcally. >> terrible things that feel bad are good for you. >> just in general? >> just in general. >> okay. let's all go to the dentist. kristen, will you be joining jane for a polar plunge?

>> absolutely not. but i am a born and bred florida girl, if you ask me to get in a normal swimming pool that is not heated, i'm a little bit skeptical, so this is just not for me. >> good for you. not for me. >> you believe it is actually good for your health? >> i'm willing to believe that it is possible, but it defies the logic of what i feel like i know about being cold and wet. >> coming up, the panel's take on the year's biggest winners and losers.

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time to look back on what was an eventful year and ask who came up on top and who was a flop. catherine, let's start with your biggest winner for 2023. >> my biggest winner for 2023 is federal reserve chair yeah powell, he had gotten us out of 2023 without being scathed bay recession on the one hand or reescalating inflation on the other hand, i think he deserves a medal. >> you think he is going to stick this out? >> i hope so. knock on wood. . the odds for all of us look a lot better than they used to be. >> biggest loser? >> rudy giuliani. i cannot think of anyone who has fallen further from his prior heights, either financially, or in public esteem than the former mayor of new york, who has recently declared bankruptcy after a judgment against him. >> it has been a bad year for rudy giuliani. >> yes. >> reihan, biggest winner.

biggest winner is a company called nid, as much as 2022, and you might not have heard of in the business pages but in 2023, they became kind of a levi strauss of the ai gold rush. they are the ones selling the overalls and the pick axes which is to say the chips that power these big large language models and that company was founded in denny's about 20 years ago, and it is now a company that is one of the so-ca call magnificent search driving the stock market. >> biggest loser? >> biggest loser is xi jinping, the party chairman of china, who really has presided over a steep economic decline in china. this was supposed to be a year when china was growing at five times the rate of the united states and instead they have been limping along, barely growing at all, and that actually makes them perhaps more dangerous, but it still makes xi jinping a loser. >> on the other hand, he was named president for life this year, so it wasn't entirely a loss. >> fair enough. >> jane, biggest winner? >> remember the lombardi believe

was announced in 2019, and everyone was like ha, ha, ha, what a funny joke. well, it became one of the standout films of the year, has been nominated for multiple golden globes, and turned out to be an actually pretty good movie. i think that is a pretty impressive showing for a movie that is actually about a doll. >> i have to say, i finally saw it, free, on max, shameless plug, and i agree, it was really good. >> yes. >> biggest loser? go billion flairs who think that they should talk about things besides the thing that made them billionaires. i don't care about their opinions. >> talking specifically about sam bankman-fried. >> sam bankman-fried, who decided not only should we discuss his effective altruism which was purportedly his purpose, but we shouldn't discuss the fact that he was basically committing a massive ponzi scheme. so often, we look at people who have created immense welt, or are performing to create immense wealth and think they must know something. often, they don't and now he is going to prison.

>> that's kind of a schadenfreude thing. biggest winner and loser? >> biggest winner, sam altman of open ai and imagine someone who is leading one of the most exciting companies on the cusp of world-changing technology, the board comes for you, and you beat the board. ultimately, he prevailed in the conflict over who would lead open ai and in the process proved he had the loyalty to his employees, interest in the companies like microsoft -- >> and biggest loser? >> biggest loser, republicans who don't want donald trump to be their nominee. they had their shot about a year ago. trump was lower down in the polls. he could have been taken out. it didn't happen. now he is flying high. very low chance he doesn't win the republican nomination. >> up next, the panel's big predictions. what to look for in 2024. to duckduckgo on all your devie

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texas tech graduates, american heroes who don't really care about politics too much, this is for you. go vote. >> so it's going to be a really bad year for all of us because we're not normies. >> yes. >> reihan, what do you see for 2024? >> 2024 is going to be a really big exciting year for space exploration. china, like it or not, is going to launch a lunar mission. india is getting into the game with an orbiter that's going to be visiting venus. and jeff bezos is going to try to catch up with elon musk in the realm of commercial space. so it is going to be a lot of really exciting developments that could pave the way for more space exploration still in the years to come. >> and is bezos going to catch up with musk? he's way ahead. >> so i do not believe he's going to catch up but you immediate to have more entrepreneurial folks burning billions of dollars. >> kristen, what is in your crystal ball for 2024? >> we have a presidential election that is going to be in many ways anything but normal, and i think a casualty of that

will be the presidential debates. i don't think that either trump or biden will see any advantage in standing on a stage, with the moderator, asking them questions, and i think we may be seeing the end of that tradition at least in the short run. >> as somebody who did it the last two cycles, that would be a shame, but i'm not sure you're wrong. i think there are, i would think it is less than 50/50 that there will be presidential debates. catherine, best shot? >> my prediction for next year is the use of ozempic and other drugs will skyrocket. we have seen a huge increase in the past year, but from a very small base. and next year, going forward, it is going to be a lot more people demanding these drugs from their doctors and mini spas and various other things. and both from the health side, is that seeming like a good bet? or are we getting over our skis in the ideas that these are solution, long-term solutions to obesity problems? >> we haven't seen the long term consequences to take these drugs to be clear but in the short

term it seems like it reduces a lot of health problems, right? obesity is associated with a lot of other health complication, the drugs have been associated with reductions in other kinds of compulsive or obsessive behaviors and things like drinking problems, gambling problem, et cetera, so for the individuals right now, it looks like it will be beneficial. from what we know, again we don't know the long term consequence, economically, i would guess that it is going to have a huge effect on the economy, potentially even more than ai in the long run. >> explain that. i mean how does it reshape the economy in addition to reshaping our bodies? >> it reshapes what people consume. i mean we can already see in the data that people who are on these drugs, particularly for weight loss, are buying a lot less junk food, they're buying less spirits and hard alcohol, and they're buying a lot less of what makes up a typical grocery basket amongst other types of consumption so i think it will shift what people -- >> is it food or clothes that will make a big difference? >> that's a good point.

i hadn't thought about that. you get to size down potentially. look, i think in the near run, we're not going to see as much of an impact on the household level will see a lot but in the macroeconomic perspective, you know, i think we won't see it immediately but eventually yes it will reshape a lot of consumer behavior. >> well, one of the things we do on this show is we keep track of all of your predictions. we will see who is right, as well, we will probably bring you all back at the end of the year, and celebrate the winners and make fun of the losers. thank you all for being here. we wish all of you a happy and safe new year. and we'll see you right back here in 2024. hello, i'm christiane amanpour in london. welcome to a special edition of the amanpour hour, w w