simplification. something interesting is that when you look at these weight loss medications, you look at lifestyle changes, even look at things like bare attic surgery, these are some of the tools. . for a long time people said it has to be lifestyle almost unequivocally because people can always lose weight just by consuming less and moving more, and what we're starting to see is there are different types of overweight and obesity, different classes. you can call them class a, class b, class c, and they respond to different things. there's some people who seem to respond better to lifestyle changes and others who don't. i think what the challenge is for a lot of doctors, especially obesity medicine doctors, is trying to figure out which class of people, class of patient they're actually dealing with. these medications, again, i think people are very bullish on them because of the extreme weight loss and how many people they can potentially benefit very, very quickly. >> all right. i learned that bmi was for b

belgian soldiers in the 1800s. focus in my childhood on physicals based on that, interesting to find out. dr. sanjay gupta, thank you as always, my friend. you have to listen to this episode of chasing life right now wherever you get your podcasts. "cnn this morning" continues right now. we now have our eyes on a very special place. you know what that place is? new hampshire. >> eventually new hampshire, but donald trump is going to be here in new york in a courtroom again today. he's choosing to go off the campaign trail and into a different sort of campaign trail, if you will, in the courtroom. he is facing the writer, journalist, accusing him of defaming her and lying about sexually abusing her. why today could be a pivotal moment in that trial. ron desantis has a campaign centered around trump's legal problems could cost republicans the white house. the deputy campaign manager joins us live to discuss why they still see a path to

victory, despite trump's 30-point win in iowa. the standoff over a blocked section of the border ramping up in texas. the deadline looming today as one group urges americans to rise up and stop the, quote, invasion, those are their words. we'll get into it. this hour of "cnn this morning" starts now. good morning, everyone. glad you're with us. the top of the hour i'm poppy harlow with phil mattingly in new york. donald trump's legal problems colliding with his presidential campaign for the second day in a row, he will be in court for his defamation trial right here in new york city before he heads to new hampshire for a campaign rally. >> today e. jean carroll will be taking the stand as the jury weighs how much trump owes her in damages for repeatedly calling her a liar and denying he sexually assaulted her. trump doesn't need to be there. he's choosing to attend just days before the crucial new hampshire primary.

tonight after court he will be holding a dueling campaign rally in the gran notice state at the same time as nikki haley and ron desantis is ramping up his ground operations as polls show him in a distant third place in the state. trump suggested the criminal you indictments against him have helped him in the presidential race. >> we in the history of iowa, nobody has ever come close to getting the numbers i got. if i didn't get indicted all these times and if they didn't unfairly go after, i would have won. it would have been much closer, i tell you. i don't know if i would have made the trade. i might have just liked the position we're in right now. >> ron desantis for his part is making the case that republicans will lose in november if donald trump is the nominee and his legal problems dominate the election. here is what desantis told wolf blitzer during a town hall on cnn last night. >> if donald trump is the nominee, the election will

revolve around all these legal issues, his trials, perhaps convictions if he goes to trial and loses there and about things like january 6th. we're going to lose if that's the decision that voters are making based on that. we don't want it to be a referendum on those issues. >> kiersten joins us outside the courthouse in manhattan. he went yesterday. no cameras in the courtroom. that's why people didn't see him. what happens today in this case? he's going to be there again. >> good morning. this morning donald trump is expected to be back in court where he will be sitting face to face with e. jean carroll. she is expected to takts stand today and testify on her behalf. this case, the judge said, is not going to be a do over. it's not going to get into the sexual assault allegations, but it is about defamation and that is how e. jean carroll suffered from trump's statements in 2019, denying he raped her in a

department store in the 1990s, saying she wasn't his type and implying she made this story up to sell a book. carroll is expected to testify about the harm that she felt from that. her lawyers yesterday saying that she is scared, she received threats from a number of trump supporters, echoing the statements he was making publicly and the former president hasn't stopped even after the jury delivered the verdict last year and this is having an impact. that is going to be what carroll's testimony will mainly focus on today. trump's attorneys will have a chance to cross examine her. their argument, his defense, is that it's not -- trump shouldn't be held accountable from tweets and carroll benefitted after opportunities after she came public with her allegations. this will be up to the jury to decide and this trial is only expected to last a few days. >> given that tight timeline what do we know about the jury and people making up this jury? >> yeah. this jury is made up of seven

men and two women and range in age from the mid 20s to 60 years old and they're made up of new yorkers. some from the city, from manhattan, from the bronx, others from the neighboring counties. it's a mix of professionals and retired folks. there's a person on the jury who is a retired new york city transit worker. there's several people in the medical industrial. there's a publicist on this jury. there's also some individuals that are not actually born in the u.s., but have become citizens. a woman from germany and man from ireland. a real mix of representation of new york and they will be the ones deciding this. interestingly, the trial last year, the jury was six men and three women, so this is a fairly close makeup that is very similar with seven men and two women this time around. >> kara scannell, live for us, thank you. and while former president trump might be in court this morning he is celebrating quite a victory in iowa. it is the kind of momentum he will no doubt try to capitalize

on in new hampshire next week and beyond. it signals trump's grip on the republican party is tight. just how tight has that gotten? harry anton with us with more. how much? how do you measure this in numbers? >> you know it was so interesting to me. we had the entrants polls from iowa and everyone is like oh, my goodness, look at what voters think in iowa. i went and said wait a minute, the preelection polls have shown this the entire time. a very simple things, was biden's 2020 win legitimate and what we've seen here, this is in 2021, just 39% of republicans said yes. 58% said no. this number has been trending in trump's direction by late 2023 it was 31%. 67%, the vast majority of republicans believe that biden's win was not legitimate. this was not surprising to see in the entrants polls. >> in iowa. >> in iowa. this was national. what we saw in iowa, holds

nationally. the same thing held true on this particular question. this question, okay f trump is convicted, would you still vote for him and the vast majority of republicans in iowa said yes. that was not surprising to me either because take a look at this poll question we asked a few months ago. if true the charges against trump regarding january 6th are not relevant to his fitness for the presidency, again, the vast majority of republicans say yes. you would think first off, okay, maybe if the charges weren't true they wouldn't matter, right. if they are true, the vast majority of republicans say, they don't matter and look at this percentage, right. we have this sort of three-pronged question. this response should disqualify him from the presidency, just 13% of republicans say yes. if the charges are true. that's what i keep trying to put in here. >> right. so then, elected officials, that's another question in terms of what they think. many of them point to their constituents as the reasoning for why they hold whatever position on this. >> yes.

you know, there's this whole question why won't the gop establishment stop donald trump, right? maybe it's because they like donald trump and they agree with their constituents, so endorsements from governors and members of congress, donald trump, look at this, poppy, 108. look at where ron desantis is. he's at seven. >> haley is at 2. >> haley is 259. chris sununu one of the two folks members of congress or governors who have endorsed her. he is winning on this score as well. compare this to what we saw back in 2016, endorsements from governors and members of congress at this point in the primary process, trump had zero. he had zero. his first endorsement didn't come until february 24th. now he's at 108. the fact is, it's not just the voters who are behind him, it's also the gop establishment as well. they have -- he has bent them to his will. >> your point about maybe because they like what they see. here he was untested and didn't know what kind of president he would be. here he's tested.

>> he's done and done what they wanted him to do. >> thank you very much. >> phil? >> certainly appears donald trump is in position to once again potentially runway with the republican nomination, but ron desantis, despite coming in a distant second place in iowa, sees an opening in trump's legal problems. joining us is deputy campaign manager. we appreciate your time. i want to start there. the governor made -- it was a fascinating town hall last night with wolf blitzer, but this point given trump's legal issues, a number of charges, number of indictments outstanding, that's what ends up in the general election and become a referendum on that, republicans will lose. do you think republican voters want this to be a referendum on that? it seems like it at this point. >> well, first, thanks for having me, phil. i appreciate the opportunity to be here. what i would say is, i would echo what governor desantis said last night, and i remind you he's here in new hampshire today, he was in south carolina as well, out talking to voters

and wolf blitzer. what he relayed in iowa, south carolina, new hampshire, today, he feels donald trump's running on his issues, meaning these issues that we're talking about that led your news cast today and feels nikki haley is running for her donors' issues and we can get to that, that would be a lot of fun, but ron desantis is the only one out taking questions from voters, talking to the press, and talking about the issues that matter most, not just to republican voters, but to voters all across this country. that's the economy, that's immigration, school choice. the things that are top of mind that are going to ultimately decide the 2024 battle not just for the gop nomination, but who controls the white house, are going to be based on those issues. any minute we as a party talking about anything other is a wasted moment and opportunity and decreases our chances of doing just that. >> when you kind of look ahead, not just in the next five or six days with new hampshire, but

broadly than that, you were talking before iowa this is a long game. this is a lengthy process going forward. what is your pathway? i think that's what a lot of people are trying to figure out at this moment in time. >> sure. look it's pretty straightforward. this is a hard business. donald trump is not only the former president, he's a two-time gop nominee. that was his third iowa caucus. this is not an easy process. it was not for the faint of heart. you have to be willing to roll up your sleeves, roll them down in places like iowa and new hampshire where it's cold and snowy, an get to work and block out the noise. that's what we did. we told everybody we needed to get a top two position out of iowa to accomplish what we wanted and we did that. even after nikki haley spent a record amount, the most amount of money in this race, not only, you know, out of all three contenders, but more importantly, leveling $25 million of that towards ron desantis in negative false ads.

we got our ticket out. we went to south carolina first yesterday morning to lay the marker that we are in this for the long haul and expect to run an aggressive campaign across the palmetto state and came here last night and spent time with voters in new hampshire, spent time with wolf on the stage and will be back out at it today. i would say our expectations are pretty straightforward. we're going to grind in every state for delegates. we will do it here in new hampshire, to nevada where nikki haley is not competing for delegates, to south carolina and do it, and on february 25th, the day nikki haley ends up having to drop out of the race after she gets wholly blown out in her home state it will be a two-person race as we predicted all along. >> i think the question right now is, you haven't been on air, neither you or your super pac since november. the way the caucus work in nevada, questions about where your path is there, south

carolina, i think, polling wise aren't there. new hampshire, your campaign has acknowledged isn't necessarily your best state. how are you going to survive until after south carolina at this point? >> we're going to grind it out. i think governor desantis and frankly our whole campaign apparatus has shown, we're better as underdogs. we're better as the grind it out campaign and candidate. frankly, since the summer, the mainstream media has written our preowe bit tu waries over and over again and we proved them wrong. nobody in the summer thought ron desantis would be on the ballot, you know, the other night in iowa, not only was he, he was the second choice of iowa caucus goers even after he's taken over $46 million in negative ads from haley and trump. you got to stay patient and stay in the game, you got to find your opportunities and opportunities to punch, pivot, and ultimately when you get a two-person race and donald trump

across the entire country, not just one state on super tuesday, you're going to get a real chance to make some gains and show some wins and show some successes that are going to be meaningful. anybody who thought this was going to be easy to defeat the former incumbent president of the united states was fooling themselves. this is a hard business and we're in it for the long haul. >> we'll be watching every step of the day. we appreciate your time this morning. thank you. >> thank you. ahead, the standoff is intensifying between the federal government and the state of texas over a strip of land along the u.s.-mexico border and now one group of people is calling for a stop to the, quote, invasion. we have a live report on the ground. >> trump's legal team makes a sweeping request in the classified documents case. why they want to pry into records from the biden white house. we'll explain.

today a shutdown over the border looms between the federal government and the state of texas. the department of homeland security says the state must restore access to a portion of the border where a well and two children drowned last week. federal agents say they were blocked from the area, something texas denies. >> this comes as the top four lawmakers in congress head to the white house to meet with president biden about funding for border security. rosa flores following this closely and joins us live again in eagle pass, texas. rosa, today is deadline day for texas. does it look like they will comply with this order from the biden administration? >>. >> reporter: it does not look

like texas is standing down. let me show you, this is shelby park. you can see that the gates are still here. the texas military vehicles are still here. and so are members of texas national guard. you don't see them right now only because it's 24 degrees and they're staying warm inside. look beyond this gate because this is shelby park. you'll see the state of texas has more fencing staged, more equipment. beyond those vehicles you're taking a look at that's where the rio grande is. this is the general area where that woman and her two children drowned. the battle between texas and the biden administration over border security has intensified in eagle pass after a migrant mother and her two children drowned last weekend trying to cross the rio grande. congr congressman kuer says texas is responsible. >> the state should have never kicked out the border patrol from doing their job in that

particular area. they would have caught this at the moment it was happening. >> reporter: the texas military department took command and control of a public park last week surprising some local officials. >> we are not in agreement with this operation. >> reporter: and u.s. border patrol was denied access, not just to the park, but to 2.5 miles of river and a staging area used to manage migrant surges. border patrol's key surveillance equipment was removed would could have detected migrants in the river. >> i never seen the state say federal government you don't have the right to enforce immigration law. i have never seen this type of politics before. >> reporter: this border feud now hangs on the scales of the u.s. supreme court. the biden administration asked the court to intervene saying texas denied border patrol access and made it impossible for agents to potentially give aid to the three migrants who drowned. the texas military department pushed back saying federal agents asked for access to the river after the three drownings had occurred and that soldiers

searched the river and no migrants were observed. cnn reached out to governor greg abbott's office for comment. >> the time has come. >> reporter: the standoff has the united patriot party inviting patriots to go to eagle pass starting saturday to stop what they call a, quote, invasion. >> what's your message to the patriots that want to come to this area? >> don't come. >> reporter: eddie morales says the patriots are misinformed and instead of coming to eagle pass they should camp out at congress. >> the republicans control the house of representatives. if they were interested in solving this issue they would fast track a border immigration and border security bill by tomorrow. >> reporter: the department of homeland security has sent the texas attorney general a cease and desist letter giving the state a deadline of today of removal of the border barriers. as for one eagle pass resident who voted for abbott and saw the

takeover of the park. >> please be transparent. don't be secretive. we can handle the truth, but we can't handle nontransparency. >> reporter: now phil and poppy, here's the irony of this texas takeover of the park that you see behind me. you see the fencing and you see the military personnel. this is not stopping illegal immigration. according to a law enforcement source, what smugglers are doing are simply moving migrants further up river and that's how they're entering into the united states illegally. >> a huge day today deadline to see what happens, what texas does and where the supreme court goes. thanks very much for your continued reporting on this. >> happening right now, donald trump is about to leave trump tower for court in the e. jean carroll defamation case before the case resumes in a little over an hour. we will keep you posted as that plays out. >> the suspected serial killer on long island facing a new murder charge. how prosecutors say a single

strand of hair and a monster energy drink helped them crack this case.

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. this morning the new murder charge against the suspected long island serial killer hinges on a single strand of hair. rex heuermann has pleaded not guilty to the charge yesterday that he killed a fourth woman maureen brainard-barnes and dumped her remains near gilgo beach. >> the prosecutors revealed how dna from a monster energy drink from heuermann's daughter help link him to one of the murders. tell us about the evidence that led to this charge. >> reporter: yeah, poppy and phil, evidence like a computer that investigators say heuermann may have been chatting with one of the victims on and tried to wipe the data. it's that dna evidence you were talking about that the district attorney called cutting edge where they were able to take hair that were found on the bodies of these victims and match them to items like water bottles that investigators say heuermann's wife was using or that monster energy drink that investigators say heuermann's daughter was drinking on a train

before throwing it out. it's evidence like that they say helped clinch the finale of the killings of the gilgo four. >> i was only 7 years old when my mother was murdered. >> reporter: nicollette brainard-barnes speaking publicly for the first time after facing in court the man accused of killing her mother maureen. >> i remember she read to me every night and now i can no longer remember the sound of her voice. i wish she was here today, but she was taken from us. >> reporter: rex heuermann charged with killing maureen brainard-barnes, a 25-year-old woman who vanished in 2007 and is believed to be the gilgo beach killer's first victim. heuermann is accused in the murders of all four women found within a quarter mile of each other along the same stretch of parkway on long island and infamously became known as the gilgo four. he's pleaded not guilty. >> this indictment marks a change in the investigation. >> reporter: a hair found on a

belt used to bind barnes matches the dna profile of heuermann's estranged wife. the discovery made using advanced nuclear dna analysis. >> we believe these dna results are significant. nuclear dna as illustrated is much more discriminate. >> reporter: in the 23 page updated indictment prosecutors lay out more evidence they say ties the 60-year-old architect to the kills of four women authorities say were sex workers. hairs found on meghan waterman's body max rex heuermann and his wife's advanced dna profile and a hair found on amber costello's a body matches heuermann's daughter victoria. evidence heuermann's attorney is already taking issue with. >> all along, we have been told that the evidence is unsuitable for nuclear dna testing. this morning was the first time, and this is 13 plus years, that miraculously nuclear dna testing and results have come forward.

>> reporter: police say burner phones and computer activity also show communications with some of the victims. a credit card statement found in the storage locker and cell phone records further confirm heuermann's family was out of town when the murders took place which allowed, quote, unfettered time to execute his plans for each victoim, the indictment reads. >> the investigation is over. >> reporter: a step forward for family members continuing to seek justice. >> these victims had families and they were human beings with aspirations and hope for a better future for themselves. >> reporter: and that is maureen brainard barns' younger city. more than a decade ago after her sister went missing she received a call on her sister's cell phone and on the other line was the killer taunting her. you can imagine the trauma that they have been living with saying finally there is a little bit of justice here, guys. rex heuermann is expected back in court next month. >> thank you.

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right now we're awaiting donald trump about to leave for court in the e. jean carroll defamation case. before the case resumes in about less than an hour at this point. this morning donald trump's lawyers are trying to pull off a courtroom power grab in another case. white house records to build trump's legal defense in the mar-a-lago documents case. trump's team wants access from the national security council and white house counsel's office. they accuse jack smith and his prosecutors of, quote, partisan election interference for not providing them evidence trump could use in the case. >> prosecutors are arguing trump mishandled sensitive and classified documents from the white house and stored them in places that include a ballroom and bathroom at mar-a-lago and defied subpoenas to turn over

those records. senior crime and justice reporter katelyn polantz is here in the flesh. great to have you in new york. explain the legal filing and why trump's team wants biden's stuff. >> this is a typical thing to happen before any trial where the defense team says we want more evidence. we want to look at more things to build our case, so what trump's team is doing now is they're trying to build that case. what they want to do and what is -- they're showing through asking for all kinds of documents right now, around the federal government in this classified case, is they want to be able to try and find some level of political coordination or communication between not just the justice department and their decision making, but other places. they're asking for a really unusual amount of documents because it's everybody. it's the intelligence community, it's the white house counsel's office, the biden white house, the national security council. they want to see interactions

between the fulton county d.a. and the white house, secret service, archives. they want the judge in this case to tell the prosecutors, go across the administration, the biden administration, and make everybody give over their records around this classified documents case. whether that's going to happen is a big question. it's going to be up to the judge. the special counsel's office is certainly going to be pushing back for it. trump is making a very big ask here which they're able to do in the way that you prepare for a trial, but nobody asks for this amount of stuff. scooter libby who got to delve into these things was asking for stuff from like the vice president's office not the white house counsel itself. >> everything. >> left out the department of transportation. that's sad for them. can we take a step back on a serious note. the other legal cases that former president is dealing with right now, what are you watching and where do they stand? >> i'm watching everything. >> i know you are. >> the big one this week is we're watching to see what these three judges on the d.c. circuit

court of appeals will do in the january 6th federal criminal case, specifically, they heard this last week and now we're watching specifically to see what each of these people is going to vote for and just yesterday, we got a little inkling of where their heads may be at right now. judge henderson joined with three other judges on the d.c. circuit in a totally different case to write a statement saying they want there to be a lot of deference by special counsel's offices that are pursuing a case like this against someone like donald trump, former president. there should be deference around the executive branch and presidency. judge pan has written on this topic and not said that. she's all for allowing criminal prosecutors do do what they're going to do. a big question of how they'll split on what happens with this presidential immunity question. a huge thing for trump when his case will go forward to trial and also the presidency and then separately the 14th amendment cases. this is the question of whether

trump can be on the ballot. there's a lot of action even expected this week. we have illinois and we have massachusetts right here. they are both going to be meeting state boards will be meeting in those states an discussing whether trump can be on the ballot. that's happening this week. we're also today expecting a court in maine to do something because they have a deadline. they have to come up with some sort of decision in the appeals process, but none of that really matters ultimately until we get to this place of the supreme court. every state is going to figure out what they're going to do and on february 8th, the big date of supreme court oral arguments on the 14th amendment, they will potentially set the law of the land in all of this. >> also the date of nevada. >> yes, indeed. >> it's amazing the collision here. just finally what about how all of these lawsuits play into one another? >> yeah. there's a ton. so all of those are -- there's

criminal cases, 14th amendment cases, a lot of things. there's other lawsuits where things that have been bubbling in the courts for a very long time are happening now. so the new york a.g. civil fraud trial against trump and his companies is over. we're waiting for a decision there. e. jean carroll, the second trial, he's going over to court right now. that jury is going to be hearing that case through the end of the week, potentially into next week and potentially bringing back a decision. these are both about money. very important for the trump world and businesses. but then separately, the january 6th lawsuits, they're still cooking. they're still in the system and there are situations in those cases that it's going to take a long time for people to get records, but a lot of those people that are suing donald trump and others, are going to start being able to collect records the same way that the house committee was able to subpoena people and ask for interviews and criminal

prosecutions. >> we were showing pictures of e. jean carroll walking into court, underscoring all of this is happening at once. does your office have a string plot of the 550 -- you think i'm kidding. i'm not giving her a hard time. >> you walk in her office -- >> case numbers -- >> grateful for your brain on all of this. here are five things to know this morning. new video, look at this, shows houthi militants marching on the deck of a ship in the red sea last year. it comes as the u.s. warns ships to avoid the region until further notice because of the attacks and plans to redesignate the group. >> the fbi and capitol police are investigating roger stone for allegedly threatening to assassinate swal swalwell and nadler. cnn has not verified the tape. new questions about the 911 call made requesting an ambulance to defense secretary

lloyd austin's home. in the call the aide asks the emergency service be, quote, discreet. a review is under way. a plea deal for the gunman that killed five at an lbgtq night club in colorado springs. 23-year-old anderson aldrich will plead guilty to 74 counts of federal hate crimes and gun charges and expected to receive multiple life sentences but will not face the death penalty. and today ntsb chief jennifer homendy and the faa will brief lawmakers about the door plug that blew off of that alaska airlines boeing 737 max 9 plane. the closed door hearing will be followed by an open hearing tomorrow on capitol hill. more on these stories all day long on cnn and cnn.com and don't forget to download the five things podcast wherever you get your podcasts. ukraine's president warns the world that vladimir putin embodies war, but american aid remains stalled. a senator who is one of ukraine's biggest supporters joins us next with a reality check on where these negotiations actually stand.

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if anyone thinks this is only about us, this is only about ukraine, they are fundamentally mistaken. putin embodies war and he will not change. he will not change. we must change. >> that's ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy at the world economic forum in davos warning the world what could happen if russia wins in its war against ukraine. later today president biden will host the top four congressional leaders at the white house to discuss his funding request for ukraine, israel, and the border. the president's supplemental spending bill has been held up for weeks by republicans demanding changes to border policy and immigration policy. white house sources telling cnn biden will stress the urgent need for congress to moving quickly to approve additional funding for ukraine and plans to walk through the impact u.s. aid

has had on ukraine's battle against russia and warn against the quote cost in action. >> our last security assistance package was authorized on the 27th of december. we meant it when we said it at the time that was the last one. >> joining us is michael bennett from colorado one of the biggest backers of ukraine on capitol hill member of the senate intelligence committee. appreciate your time this morning. you have sought and received commitments from leadership over the course of the last several weeks related to ukraine. it is still held up in marriage p -- large part because of immigration negotiations. do you have a sense this is something that can move in the near term some? >> i think it is something that has to move in the near term, phil.

we're close to a deal i think on immigration. we have to get a broad bipartisan support here in the senate. we can't fail here. cnn has an incredible report today that i saw about the importance of the bradley fighting vehicle in this fight. ukraine has succeeded in ways that nobody could have imagined over the last two years. they've done everything the world could have asked them to do. their battle is not just a battle for ukraine, it's a battle for democracy. we cannot fail. this is not one of those moments, phil, when we can fail, blame the other party, and go home and say it's going to be okay. democracy is on the line. the western world, i would say, is on the line. we've got to get this >> fail, blame the other party to be frank. that is what congress does quite well. i think what i'm stuck on is why is this different particularly when the fulcrum here is

immigration, which you know as well as anybody, you spend so much time on this issue, just simply never has reached an outcome in the last two decades. >> i think this may be a moment where we're out of excuses and we actually have to do the work. i mean, on the immigration question, there are 10,000 people a day coming to the southern border of the united states, many of whom are being smuggled by transnational gangs. i think people have finally woken up and realized we can't put the imsxwramigration policy this country in the hands of international gangs. we might want someone else to fix it, but there is no one else. it will have to be democrats and republicans working together to do that. and on ukraine, i think it is the same kind of thing where people look around and say isn't theren into else to carry on the fight against tyranny and the answer is no. things will only get worse if we don't continue to support

zelenskyy and the brave people of ouagadougou. putin will be able to have his will in ukraine and other places. that will drive the price of food and the price of fuel up for people over the world. and i would say just as important, it will raise a real question in the minds of dictators all over the planet about what the united states commitment to democracy is. so you are right, you and i have spent a lot of time over the years talking about how broken our democracy is. this is an opportunity to show the world that democracy still works, that this country can still lead. and that we have an important role to play which we do. >> there is a lot of discussion about what house republicans will do if there is an agreement reached on immigration. but i'm interested, do you feel like where democrats are on the policy, the willingness to make deals on specific issues, has shifted dramatic loift course of the last several months because of the issues at the border you are talking about? >> yeah, i think it has shifted

dramatically and it should have. because of what has happened at the border. and when you see, you know, no national immigration policy and people like the mayor of denver, you know, mike johnston, who is trying to contend with the homelessness crisis that existed in denver and the fact that they there are now migrants showing up every single day for the southern border, by the way, not their fault, all they are doing is trying to seek opportunity, but again, it is not their fault that we've got a broken immigration system. it is congress' fault. and i think that we see that and the administration's fault to some extent. and most important thing that we could do for the house is have a broad bipartisan bill pass the senate that is serious and it shows that we're going to contend with this set of issues on behalf of the american people. >> i want to ask you before i let you go, the child tax credit, you have been one of its

biggest supporters, the expanded version that was in the american rescue plan, there is an agreement on a $70 plus billion tax deal, it won't go as far as the arp, but it would expand the tax credit. it has been criticized by rosa de-laura, she said millions will be left in preventable policy because of a policy choice while giant corporations get a massive tax break. i know you agree on the policy. get a massive tax break. i know you agree on the policy. >> her criticism is well taken. our goal in this country, we're in the richest country in the world, should be to end childhood poverty. we proved in 2021 that we could cut childhood poverty in half. we made the most significant change in tax policy in decades. and it did what we said it was going to do. now we have a more modest approach. it is all that we could get to in a bipartisan agreement. but it is going to make a difference for 16 million kids.

it will lift another almost half a million kids out of poverty, 200,000 kids in colorado are going to benefit. and a lot of parent 234s this cou that are making $12,000 or $13,000 that have two kids will see their credit go from less than $2,000 to over 3600 bucks. it will make a lot of difference with groceries and with gas and with rent. so my heart is with rosa, but i think that we'll make some progress here. we'll come back in 2025 and do the rest. >> senator bennet, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you for having me. help from high above. the rescue mission to save hikers stranded in a winter storm, that is next.

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our morning moment. four college students rescued at the right moment. they were catching east of lexington, kentucky when a winter storm stranded them in the red river gorge. and they woke up to find the area covered in snow. they realized it was not safe to climb down. >> and so a helicopter had to land on top of the rock. >> anytime we have to hike into rescue, it is difficult. but when it was 15 degrees and snowing, it ups the ante a lot more. i'm assuming they probably learned a very rvaluable lesson in camping in the winter