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a two-person race, but for how much longer? will new hampshire's first in the nation primary be the last true challenge for donald trump until november? also tonight, john king spoke earlier in the campaign. and breaking news tonight about a new cease-fire deal to bring israel's hostages home, which could also let senior leaders of the hamas out of gaza. the final confirmation that the party belongs to former president donald trump. the first ballot will be cast for the first primary in campaign 2024. there are just six people expected to vote. an hour from now the former president will hold his final rally in the state, that event comes a day after ron desantis
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endorsed him. there will be three other former rivals. also endorsing the former president, nikki haley's own congresswoman nancy mace. she did it today, even though in the wake of january 6 she was saying things like this. >> their lives would have been in danger, the most precious people in my life. we need to hold the president accountable. >> so much for that. as for nikki haley, she says the race is not a coronation, when asked about her viability as a candidate, she was she responded with - - do you believe nikki haley needs to win tomorrow?>> know, new hampshire has never been a must win for the haley, if anything it is a must win for trump. we wanted to get it done to a
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two-person race, and she did. have a strong second, that is all but guaranteed, and build on the momentum coming out of iowa. going to her home state, 20% in iowa, building on that in new hampshire and then going forward, the next election is three or four weeks away. she's going to have a lot of time to do what she has done many times before, and that is when. and by the way, she could win, she has been a stones throw in a lot of these polls. the wind is at her back. if you watch trumps rallies, he's got a lot of people, but she's got all of the energy, she is set to do very well. >> you were quoted saying super tuesday is when you have to start winning states. is that actually what you believe?>> yeah, of course. the republican nominee should not be picked just because of
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iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina. the other states have to get in here. the joke is that 56,000 people voted for trump in iowa, out of a population of 3 million. that's going to choose the republican nominee? i don't think so. the voters decide, not the media. this is not a coronation. this is letting the voters decide.>> you are saying she can lose iowa, lose new hampshire, lose the home state on the 24th, and then go to super tuesday, and somehow up into the former president?>> you've got to remember, let me explain. she was in the single digits in december, she went from 2% to 20% in iowa. maybe even all win here, carry that into south carolina. it's all about giving america
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an option. having five or six candidates, a real option for the future, or do we want the past? trump is this antiestablishment candidate who has done a 180. right now he is this establishment guy that is catering to the u.s. senate because he doesn't want to hold them accountable. look, whatever you want to do is fine, just support me. nikki haley bucks that trend. she wants to hold washington accountable, and that's a very powerful message.>> if she can win in the state where she was governor, i understand the momentum argument, but at a certain point does that momentum, even if she's still gaining momentum, that doesn't mean she's winning. >> again we will have to see how south carolina plays out, that's a month from now. we are focused on the next 24
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hours. i think she's going to surprise a lot of people. the polls are always wrong in new hampshire, the samples that said i would lose by 11 points, i won by two points the very next day. you can't trust the polls, it's about the voters, the turnout, and the energy. the secretary of state makes pretty darn good predictions, and he has predicted a record turnout. >> you've been attacked over the primary. any democrats who wanted to change voter registration would have had to do so more than three months ago. are you concerned about him spreading misinformation? >> look, his entire campaign is on lies, his entire campaign is attacking nikki haley on lies. if you have to lie to get there, you don't deserve to get there.
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we are getting as much information as we can. the voters are smart, they get engaged, they go for that next- generation candidate, we don't go backwards, we are not here to litigate the chaos and nonsense from donald trump, we are here to provide opportunities for america. as republicans, we want to be joe biden. it will be a nail-biter if we can beat joe biden. nikki haley would crush joe biden, she would win the swing states and all of the other seats that come with it. to the republican voters, if you want to win, you have got to get behind nikki haley. we are tired of losers and tired of losing senate seats, thank you for your service, mr. trump, the next step is with the winners. >> that interview was sponsored by red bull, i think.>> he is
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enthusiastic. >> it is sponsored by bull something. if the bar were any lower, we would need a shovel to find it.>> it's not what he was saying a few weeks ago, and i have to say it's the first time i've ever heard a governor of new hampshire say don't pay that much attention to what new hampshire does. all these other states are more important.>> there is no sign in south carolina.>> he will get crushed in south carolina. nikki haley is a fighter, when she one governor in 2010, no one expected that. she beat the lieutenant governor, the boys, she beat all of them. she has a track record, she has done this before, and this could be a compass again. i will toss this out there, man, it's early for that.>>
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what is a win for nikki haley? does she have to beat donald trump? or can she come in the 40s and have success? >> i need - - i think she needs to be donald trump, but the bar has been lowered so much, that would be a surprising outcome to keep things interesting. i agree that it does not like like the path goes much further past new hampshire. one week ago we were talking about iowa. is she going to come in second? the air got let out of the balloon over the last week. now if she does actually pull off a win, people will be surprised.>> to say that she came out of iowa with momentum i think is a little bit of a stretch. everybody saw what happened in iowa, she was playing for second, and the guy who did get second dropped out. the polling is a little tricky in new hampshire, because of this factor, you don't know
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which independent voters are actually going to participate, but there seems to be unanimity in terms of polling here. if she were to win this, i would be stunned. mid-teens is likely. i think she could lose by more than that. if she does, she has a decision to make. >> if she wins, it would be on the strength of non- republicans. that's the only way to win here, for independent and non- republican voters to show up in big numbers. it's not going to be non- republicans who decide. >> what i wanted for democrats and for nikki haley was give a renewed sense of hope. only 50,000 people voted in the united states. it's not like he was hanging out, we've seen his rallies in
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new hampshire, in 2016 he had tens of thousands of people, and today it is not that anymore. if you only have 50,000 votes, you don't even get 50% in a state, that gives people a sense of hope.>> i sort of agree with you on this. tomorrow could be the apex of his journey here, because when he gets outside of the republican party, it gets more difficult. that's partly why nikki haley has some gasps of life left.>> trump has a sizable lead over nikki haley. ron desantis has a relatively small share. >> far more ron desantis voters have gone to him. the other thing that is a real challenge for nikki haley is the types of desantis voters that are likely to go to trump are the most diehard and fired up, the most likely to dissipate. just like in iowa, one of the
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reasons donald trump over performed is his coalition was the diehards, the people that will turn out to go to the caucus. we don't have a once in a decade snowstorm happening in new hampshire tomorrow, i don't believe. it's still a problem that her coalition is less enthusiastic.>> if you talk to people on the ground in iowa, despite these addictions, there are no signs, there's not a lot, you are a politician, you know when things are jammed up, and that's not the feel on the ground there. if it's just the diehards who come out, those diehards are more trump than nikki haley. >> people have had trump signs up in south carolina since 2016, they literally have not taken them down. five of the seven united states congressman are the only ones
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who have not come out and endorsed donald trump for president of the united states. and nikki haley was the former governor. he flew all these elected officials out, the governor of south carolina, tim scott, the speaker of the house, the treasurer, he flew them all out to show that the race is over. >> he's trying to put a depressant view on this, which is this is a foregone conclusion. he does not want another contested state. he's trying to close the door. that's really the message.>> coming up next, john king speaking to voters about who they are supporting and why. and later, israel and gaza, breaking news on a cease-fire and hostage deal. more on that ahead.
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new hampshire voters are casting ballots less than four hours from now. many have already met the candidates.
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john king has a journey all over the map tonight, a reintroduction to some of the residence he visited earlier in the campaign. let's take a look. late morning off the dock, gone one day. andrew's job depends on the water, and the weather.>> it is definitely a little colder. but you get used to it.>> they drop these nets overnight. >> i have to look into it more. >> it is time to choose. >> i'm with trump because he supports fishermen and this is obviously my livelihood. >> loyal to trump despite things that offend him.>> i don't like the way he speaks, he can be ignorant and rude.>> loyal to trump despite a wife that supports nikki haley.
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>> she said i was ruining christmas with the trump flag. i took it down, then i put it back up.>> nikki haley was a long shot in september, perhaps the only shot to stop trump now. >> she has trump's attention.>> there is a very real opportunity for nikki haley to bring out a percentage point on top of trump. who really can be biden? who lost to biden last time? trump did.>> trouble winning over chris christie voters, because she said she would pardon trump. a likely third party voter could come in november. >> i know you are not a trump fan, fair? >> yeah, fair.>> you could help
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nikki haley. >> i could, i could. i don't really feel like i trust her enough yet.>> trumps resilience infuriates his critics. many in the imitate his crude tactics and repeat his lies, but it is not that simple.>> who was the winner of the election? >> it was biden.>> what are the things you want the government to do? >> close the border and get this economy going.>> not a joe biden fan.>> he has been caught in a lot of lines. he has been caught in a lot of lies.>> trump is not known as the world's greatest truth teller. so why is it disqualifying for biden and not for trump? >> i don't like partitions. i don't think one term made him
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a politician, i don't think he plays the game. that is the code they've yet to crack, the support among those who don't deny the election results. those who don't like the drama, but do like the policy.>> with trump i was doing pretty good, i was able to save more.>> devon works construction, turning giant slabs of rock into gravel. >> this was all prep work. >> and obama voter is now a transporter. >> he could go to jail for mishandling documents.>> if he goes to jail, i guess you won't be pregnant - - i guess you won't be president.>> he is definitely different. sometimes he is not his own best friend. he is different.>> when i was asking you about the price of
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admission, there's a lot extra that comes with it. >> it's a show. we have both the branches of government to keep him in line. he can't have everything he wants.>> he makes $40,000 a year, just enough he says to take care of his family and save a little. another tax cut for his boss would be worth all the trump chaos. >> if the business climate is better toward people like him, i do better. if you hit them harder with taxes, it takes away from me.>> ed shares that same blue-collar bottom-line. >> do you think it's over if he wins here?>> he hopes he will win the primary and save his job. >> he is kind of a bully, but he fights for me. >> it's all worth all the drama if it keeps him on the water.>>
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it is fascinating to hear from those voters, a lot of them had their eyes wide open on trump. some of them say they want trump to fix the economy. what is the reality for new hampshire?>> this is the frustration for the biden campaign, they can't break through these trump voters. the unemployment rate has always been below the national average, it wasn't bad a year ago. this is a historically low unemployment rate, that means a stronger economy. what's the price of gas? a year ago it was $3.30 per gallon, and now it is getting better. this is what still aches in the heart of these voters. i'm going to stress this now, if you look at the year-to-year inflation, things are getting better, 2.6%, but this is what
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sticks with the voters. if you are making $60,000 per year and paying 6% or more inflation a year ago, that means you still have your old car, you stop saving money and probably started dipping into your savings to pay for grocery and fuel. that is still a hangover effect. can joe biden convince voters to focus? they think the economy needs work. economists will say it is not all biden's fault, he inherited the economy, but that is still there hangover in their experience. in israeli cease- fire proposal and a controversial part, hamas leaders might get to leave gaza. and also we take a close look at a network of tunnels and the grim accommodations for holding humans capaptive foundnd in som ththem. to duckduckgo on all your devie
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breaking news on the israel and hamas war, israel has offered a two-month pause in fighting in exchange for the release of hostages held in gaza. 132 people are believed to be held there with 104 of them out to be still alive. a short time ago, alex got some exclusive reporting on a proposal, alex joins us with the details. what have you learned about this proposal?>> this is an extraordinary proposal from israel, which has vowed to completely destroy hamas. what and told by two separate officials were aware of the
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discussions going on, they would see israeli hostages as well. senior leaders could leave the gaza strip. that would be incredible to think about, that israel would essentially allow the orchestrators, the architects of the deadliest attack in israeli history to simply walk away. i'm told this is something that was raised by the head of israeli intelligence when he met with his american counterpart, bill burns. the qatari prime minister was also raised again last month. this is something that is almost certainly not going to happen. at the same time it really does highlight the fact that israel has made relatively little inroads when it comes to dismantling and destroying hamas. you have the most senior leadership of hamas that is
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still alive, still believed to be in those tunnels, you have around 70% of the fighting force by israel's own estimation still on the battlefield. this could also benefit israel if these leaders were to leave. it would weaken hamas in the gaza strip. it would take away leadership, and it would allow israel to target hamas leaders wherever they go. israel has said repeatedly that they intend to go around the world and kill hamas leaders because of october 7. >> how likely is it that hamas would accept the terms? >> from the american and international officials i've spoken with, they say it is extremely unlikely. the secretary says he was told by the prime minister that this would never happen. the head of hamas in gaza, and the head of the military wing, these men are true believers,
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they are religious zealots, they are ideologues. officials i speak with say they essentially want to die fighting against their sworn enemy. david miller is someone you know well, they could leave if israel agreed to release all of the palestinian prisoners, some of the toughest and deadliest prisoners in israeli prisons. then t they might consider it, but that possibility is a long way off. benjamin netanyahu ejected as much just yesterday. >> how much pressure is there on benjamin netanyahu to find a resolution? >> extraordinary pressure, growing by the day. i was in israel last month speaking with hostage families, they are processing all the time, essentially saying you have to do what ever you can to bring them home.
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this is pressure that is only growing by the day. benjamin netanyahu knows he has to do something, but at the same time, he has vowed that this war will continue for many months to come.>> hostages were held, nick robinson is there. >> a girls dreams of her lost life carefully remembered in red crayon. a house, flowers, and the sunshine peeking through the mountains. this was discovered 60 feet below the city and a half mile long maze of tunnels used to imprison hostages.>> in the space we found evidence to indicate the stay of hostages, including paintings drawn by a five-year-old girl, amelia, along with other hostages. >> images of the complex were released amid growing pressure to save hostages, revealing the
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they are enduring. a soiled mattress on the floor. further inside, a toilet. it's one of five underground hostage dungeons that held about 20 hostages at different times. amelia and daniel were released in late november, long before the latest tunnels were discovered.>> this tunnel is one where some of the hostages were held.>> one week before the new video release, they took us in a similar tunnel complex, close to where amelia and danielle were held.>> we come down one flight of stairs and then head down a second flight of stairs, and then down here, command and control layers running all the way down. it is a deep, deep system. >> how deep are we?>> 10 to 15
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m underground.>> now we are going down another level. what are we looking at?>> this is a small room. there is an air ventilation system that goes up and a metal frame around the door. as much as this is a small room, this is how the difference cages would look. they were held in cages.>> hidden and utterly cut off. >> just to give you an idea of how humid it is down here, the camera lens is fogging up. it is hard to imagine the life of a hostage stuck down here week after week. it is hot and humid. the latest images capture the conditions, but not the claustrophobia they induce. the tunnel is now beyond use, blown up by the idf, eliminated
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from the ongoing search for the remaining hostages.>> is there a sense of how much longer the military offensive is expected to last?>> i think the military's assessment is that the tunnels and the complexity has made it much harder. ron took us down the tunnels there, he is a division commander, the biggest division that has ever existed in the israeli terry. they are trying to fight in this environment, and it's like trying to play tetris. you move one piece, but things are happening on the other side of the cube underground, in essence. these tunnels you can easily find where the enemy is. they just announced a major military operation ongoing, expected to last at least
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several more days. the fighting is partly focused around hospitals to the west, a doctor described the situation there. it was dire, people couldn't get out of the area. military operations continue, and the fighting brigades are engaging. it is potentially very deadly as well.>> coming up, vice president kamala harris, and we get thoughts at what this race will look k like f for democrat
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is the former perp president prepares in new hampshire, my colleague has a rare one-on-one interview with kamala harris. here's a preview of how the bible be handled regarding the stolen election claims from
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former president donald trump.>> he is attacking you and president biden for election interference, he believes what the justice department is doing is attributed to you. what is your reaction to those who believe his statements?>> let's start with the facts, you just outlined them, i don't need to repeat them. i do believe that the american people care about the rule of law, and care about speaking truth and acknowledging truth. i do believe in my travels around our country that for example, a statement that suggests insurrection us that committed acts of violence should not be called patriots,
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as the former president has done. >> should they be called candidates? >> the people who attacked on january 6 should not be called patriots. what they did is they attacks our capital and committed acts of violence, and they need to be taken into account and held accountable. these are just facts, and we are going to see what happens in terms of any cases being litigated in a court of law.>> in a moment i will be joined by james carville to talk about president byman bidens chances. poling has nikki haley in second place, bill clinton's case shows that this can be a springboard to victory, especially when you consider his speech at the elks club in dover, new hampshire. >> i'm on the road because other people have questioned my life after years of public
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service. i will tell you something, i'm going to give this election back, i won't be like george bush, i will never forget who gave me a second chance.>> joining me is the senior strategist on the 19 and two lenten campaign. did he come up with that line, by the way? do you recall?>> 100%. he called me. i was at that meeting, the last dog died, i thought i was pretty good at these southern statements. did you see the political skill being exhibited up there? you think about all the stuff that was going on and him involving the audience like he did and making it about them, i just wish people could play the
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game like this, still play the game like this. he was the best that ever was.>> you heard a little bit from kamala harris, do you think bidens team knows how to run this particular race?>> the biden team is very, very experience. i've known mike since the mid- 80s. you know, i don't think it is the strategy, the economy has to keep kicking in for these guys. i think they need to stay focused and disciplined. there is a lot of infrastructure to talk about, but there is nothing wrong with the people around the president, his tv people or anything like that. it is just a tough slog.>> how concerned are you about robert kennedy junior and other candidates?>> barry, and if you
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look at this, some of these third party candidates, strategically one of the things that the biden campaign is going to have to pull off post- labor day is to get people focused on what really is going to matter. right now you can't look at current polling and not conclude that there is a substantial market for candidates other than the presumptive nominees. it's just impossible.>> let me go to a clip where he appears to confuse someone else with nikki haley.>> you know, nikki haley, nikki haley, nikki haley, do you know they destroyed all the information, all the evidence, everything? they deleted and destroyed all of it, all of it, because of lots of things, like nikki
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haley is in charge of security. we offered her 10,000 people, soldiers, national guard, whatever they want, they turned it down, they don't want to talk about that. these are very dishonest people.>> i wonder what you make of that. just in general, the campaign he is running right now. >> to some extent his campaign, from what i hear, it is more professional than it was in 2016. they had an operation in iowa. they had an operation in new hampshire. sometimes i get names a little confused, but i see that again, how many times he said nikki haley. you can understand somebody saying anderson cooper and he confused at seven or eight times. that's pretty weird. there are so many things about
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trump that voters don't know. they don't know that a jury found him guilty of a woman. this is not a good thing. another determination is that he is a business fraud. when we get that to understand exactly who donald trump is, exactly what he has done, not allegations, i think we've got a lot of upside to go. >> that information is all out there, isn't it just a lot of people think the court system is rigged against him? it's on an unfair juries?>> i think we think it is out there, if we say something, people know it. it is not understood until it
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is said 1000 times and repeated 1000 times. i would be stunned if half the people in this country understand that a jury , in the words of judge kaplan, one of the most respected federal judges in the united states, the jury found that he sexually assaulted this woman. i don't think people know that. some democrats says that and some are public and says this, i don't think that at all, i think it's a failure on the communications part of the party, we already reported that. that's not any news, people don't know that. people have to be made aware of that and made aware of that repeatedly.
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our mission here at cnn's that the news comes first. the promise in the situation room. two key developments in the legal trials involving the for president, going to a new york court after the primary, is testimony in the second trial
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with writer e. jean carroll, pushback 2 days after a juror was sick . and the prosecutor, trying to subvert the 2021 election, her relationship is under scrutiny, here is more. >> i will issue a stay. >> reporter: fulton county district attorney given a pass for now in a case that threatens to derail her criminal case against former president donald trump, a georgia judge put on hold the das testimony in the of divorce proceedings over the prosecutor nathan wade, sought by his estranged wife after allegations of a romantic affair surfaced between willis and her husband. >> do you think that fani willis is the cause of the divorce? figure i can say that right now. >> showing nathan wade's credit card charges for fani
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willis, his boss, to accompany him on 2 out-of-state trips. >> were county funds being misused or converted to personal gain? >> the fulton county commissioner, bob ellis, a republican, opening an inquiry and asking the fulton da to turn over contracts with special prosecutors including invoices and payments. >> it is inappropriate for an elected official to be in a romantic relationship with a contractor that they selected.>> reporter: his estranged wife said she was to hear from willis directly, and in the trump interference case, a fulton county judge has asked her to respond to allegations of a conflict of interest and said he will hold a hearing february 15. the controversy prompting republicans to circulate comments she made as she campaigned for the das office in 2025 >> i certainly will not be choosing people to date there or under me. >> reporter: she is not
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interested, but recently defended her decision to name him the special prosecutor. >> some will never see a black man as qualified no matter his achievements.>> reporter: she says willis is trying to hide behind the shield of her position. >> i have reason to believe there is a relationship going on, otherwise i would not be pursuing this line of discovery. that would be inappropriate for >> what is the latest on the prosecutor's divorce records being unsealed? >> we are waiting for the cobb county clerks office to release the records, amongst them are financial records, the delay could be to do with redacting some of the lines in the financial records. there's a lot of anticipation about what details are in there and if it could further prove a relationship. at the very least, this is a huge distraction from the facts of the case, as i mentioned in the piece, the judge overseeing the criminal case here in
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georgia, has set next week for her to respond to the allegations in february 15 for a hearing to focus on these claims. >> thank you. the u.s. navy identifies 2 navy seals lawson the during the mission that they say was to seize a illegal missile component being transported from iran to yemen, details up ahead. to duckduckgo on all your devie
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