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idea but don't know what to do next. cohen van help today, they can help you get started with your idea called now 807100020 >> good evening. thanks for joining us tonight. special coverage of the trump trials, the high drama in deep significance in two of them today. and what are expected to be the potentially enormous financial consequences tomorrow. in a third, also late today, the former president is final pitch. the supreme court and why he should be criminally immune for actions he took an office, so there's a lot to get to in this next hour in atlanta today. drama revolves around fulton county district attorney fani willis, and whether she and her department should be removed from the georgia rico case against the former president and others at issue, her relationship with lead prosecutor nathan wade, the timing of it, and whether that and how they paid for trips they took together created conflicts of interest he testified today, so did fani willis. she'll be back on the stand tomorrow. today. she

repeatedly clashed with ashleigh merchant, who's the attorney for the co-defendant, michael roman so let's be clear because you've lied in this doesn't tell you which one you loud and right you >> thank you. live right here >> no, no, no. this is a true judge and get a lot luck. >> drama and history. a judge setting a march 25 day for what will be the first criminal trump criminal case to get to trial. the first and arguably, thinness really of four cases against the former president now this case is new york's 34 count indictment of the former president over his alleged 2016 hush money payment to porn star stormy daniels >> something that virtually every legal scholar says they don't understand that there's no correct. even if he was guilty of something there's no brian >> others disagree. the he he's referring to there is of course himself more on that

trial shortly. also, as we mentioned, and what happens tomorrow if as expected, the judge, arthur engoron imposes what could be hundreds of millions of dollars in penalties in new york civil fraud trial. first, we begin with the georgia case and cnn's tom foreman on today's dramatic testimony. >> i might feel a stunning and fiery day in court as fulton county district attorney fani willis took the stand to defend herself and her case. >> i feel confused. you think i'm on trial? these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2021. >> explosive exchange after another, she explained her romantic relationship with the prosecutor. she hired to lead the election fraud case. and she tore into the legal team around former president trump and his allies, highly offensive when someone lies on you and it's highly offensive when they locate that you slept with somebody the first day you met with them. and i take exception to at issue in the hearing were two key questions.

first, when did her romantic relationship? with special prosecutor nathan wade begin? >> let's be clear. 2022 was the start of any intimate sexual relationship with the district attorney while way he testified that the romance started when the investigation of trump and his co-defendants was well underway, a onetime mutual friend, robin years at insisted it started way back in 2019. >> did you observe them to things that are common among people having a romantic relationship? >> yes. >> such as can you give us an example >> hugging qizan this affection >> will is his take at that time, she and wade, we're friends, nothing more. and as for that, contrary testimony, i have not spoken to robin in

over a year. i certainly do not consider her a friend now, the second key question did the district attorney financially benefit by choosing her romantic partner to leave the election fraud case. team. trump came in saying wade use money from that appointment to take willis on trips to california >> aruba >> believes the bahamas and more, but a hold on, weighed said willis paid him kim back in cash for all that travel. >> what i alleges that our travel was split roughly evenly align. >> he held even as team trump drilled in, i'm sure you probably have the deposit slips where you took cash in deposit. the cash into your account, don't you? i did not deposit the cash american you don't have a single solitary deposit slip to corroborate or support any of your >> allegations that you were paid by mrs. willis and cashed. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> not a single solitary one.

>> not a one. >> and we'll us was right there with him dismissing the claim names of financial shenanigans mean i pay for hotel, i paid for the flights. i had a birthday lunch and for him i paid for massages. i paid for everything. >> and as for always we paying in cash. >> i have money in my house. >> you have money in your house. so it was just money that was there >> when you meet my father he's going to tell you as a woman you should always have, which i don't have. so let's don't tell him that should have at least six months in cash at your house at all time >> you're also about it down questions about sensitive personal matter, the characterization, emasculating black man, but i'm i'm just telling you i'm sorry. what? >> i'm going to e mask you late. >> a black man. >> did you understand that and slapped away so much of what team trump said? >> no, no, no, no. this is a true judge and a lot so seen as tom foreman reporting perspective now, starting with cnn chief legal analyst, laura

coats, anchor of laura coates live here at 11. she's outside the courthouse in atlanta. incredible de on the stand for what's your sense of just it's how this hearing went >> i could not believe that the da took the stand. i think it was expected that perhaps you might be able to avoid this. the judging good to be leaning at this after nathan wade testified, but she was she explosive out of the game raw with emotion obviously intense, but also very persuasive then that she was trying to clarify the nature of her relationship, talking about why and how she'd repay different things really had a take no suffer, no fools attitude towards the attorneys that she viewed as trying to fatally undermine her. the judge at times seemed very flabbergasted by the pacing of the questions from earlier testimony. but ultimately, their responsibility and bringing this motion was to draw a through line between the finances and financial benefits for fani willis. that was an uphill battle to begin with,

even when you consider in they only had one witness testifying about a relationship that predated the time in which fani willis and nathan wade admitted to having one without that through line. you don't have the conflict of interest that would rise to level a disqualification because anderson that requires the person to have such a conflict of interest as to undermine fatally the opportunity for any defendant to have a fair trial that has yet to be met. but tomorrow is another day. >> right? she's back on the stand tomorrow it does seem interesting. i mean, as you said, they only had the one witness and her credibility is in questions you didn't have really any details about when exactly when she believes the relationship started and she also left the office where she was working. the da's office under a cloud oh, she was clearly a disgruntled employee. but i can tell you i was

screaming at the screen wondering where the follow-up questions we're going to come from it's not not enough to simply say, do you have any doubt they had a romantic relationship at that time and her to say i have no doubts, it begs further questions. why don't you? have a doubt you witnessed them hugging and qizan, where was it in an office, in a home. who else was there was on the cheek was on the lips that you heard stories had you seen text messages? >> what? do you notice substantiate what you are presenting the court. >> he >> didn't have those follow-up questions. it begs the question as to why they didn't ask. it wasn't one question too many was the old rule of you don't ask the question. the only the answer to, but it does require you to have more, especially since it isn't isolation and currently uncorroborated. that is the kiss of death for many litigation and ray emotions, you've got to have somebody who is an unbiased, credible witness that will come across to the judge this case and not have the ax to grind now it could very well be true. she is telling the truth, but

corroboration is really what you want to have when you have a witness that has a potential cloud, as you say, over our departure from the office or code stay with us. i want to bring in criminal defense attorney caroline polici, also to former federal prosecutor, jessica roth and jeffrey toobin and gwen keyes, former district attorney for the stone mountain judicial circuit into cobb county georgia. caroline, let me start off with you your defense attorney. what did you think of the defense here? yeah. look, obviously today was salacious. it was tawdry. >> it's an by the way, this is crazy. this is a trial about donald trump. correct. but now we're talking about the da, correct? it is an unfortunate byproduct of. legitimate legal questions at the heart of this. and, you know it is true this has nothing to do with the merits of the case, nothing to do with donald trump nothing to do with whether or not he should continue to be prosecuted, really. there are two distinct issues here that i solve as evidenced by the questions 1.2 that you in the

lead in package. and they're distinct. it's ethical issues. and then the law of recusal and disqualification of an attorney and they kind of blended together for me today. i don't think they made that evidentiary hurdle of having the dab disqualified because i don't think they showed an actual conflict of interests in the finances of this. however, i do think there's a real question that fani willis and nathan wade potentially lied in a court affidavit in willis's about when the relationship out, when it started. and >> this is a classic case of the cover-up is worse. >> the only person making that allegation is this one witness it's your question. >> so what so what if they had this relationship? >> so the question is, did they lie? >> but i agree with what if they had it exactly >> why why does it does this prejudice donald trump or any of these defendants at all i mean, that's the thing that's so baffling about all this. suppose they have this relationship. suppose they lied why did is that disqualify them

in this in this proceeding? >> yes. maybe an attorney line to the is a reason for that she should be voted out of office. that's a legitimate but but there is no prejudice against donald but just the details. jessica did did the fence. they didn't really even question fani willis about when the relationship began or i mean, they didn't get any actual timeline here or really any pursue any kind of lines of questioning. >> he did say where the relationship began and it was consistent with what nathan wade has said, which was it was in 2022. so after he had been appointed and it continues it through 2023, they both said it ended roughly the same period of time, which would suggest if you believe both of them that when she appointed him to this role as special prosecutor, they were not involved in a romantic relationship. the only evidence that was proffered to the contrary was the testimony of that one witness who has her, former friend who said in a very non-specific way that she believed that they had been having a romantic relationship

way back before the 20 2020 to date. i did not find that witness credible. she was not specific. she clearly seemed to have an ax to grind with fani willis. so when you put the sworn testimony of these two attorneys against the testimony of that one witness. >> i thought >> that the defense who has the burden here did not carry their burden based on what we've seen thus far, but they certainly carried their burden of embarrassing the hell out of the prosecutor in this case. and that's why donald trump was the big winner in atlanta today i mean that's why this i don't think this proceeding ever should have been held. i don't think this this is a relevant issue, but the fact that this judge who seemed to be a bump on the log not letting all this nonsense go on for hours and hours. >> the >> only person who really benefited here was donald trump and the other defendant, gwen, i want to play a bit more. >> the da's >> testimony today and then ask

you about it. >> he called his troutville agent. he calls his crews agent they do it. and then he tells me how much it is and i give them the money back. >> i know he initially paid for it. >> did you pay him back? >> for the crews and for aruba? yeah. gave him his money before we ever went on that trip. you gave him cash before you ever want on the trip the money that you paid mr. wade, the cash in october of 2022, you do not know where that money came from? >> i do know where it came from. it came from my sweat and tears i'm wondering what you thought of her on the stand and the job the defense didn't >> well, again, i have to agree with all of your other guests that many of us wish we were not having to talk about this. there is a real question for a jury at some point in time about the underlying charges. and yet, we have not not about the sufficiency of those charges in weeks as we deal with this. so but even that all being said, i think da willis

did what she had to do today. what you saw in her was a fight. does she's trying to defend herself and her reputation against these types of allegations, but that's the same type of fight. and tonight acidy that she brings to her pursuit of justice on behalf of her her constituents. so i'm not at all surprised at the tone that she took, how clear she was and how unwavering she was in being very clear that she did not accept or if she did pay back all of the month one that was given. so again, what many hope is that we can get back to the issue of what is the evidence that establishes the underlying charges within this rico indictment. and as long long as we are not talking about that, i think again, this is just a delay tactic and unfortunately one that's creating a very large distraction. >> do you think all the granular details were necessary from a legal standpoint? >> well, i think they certainly

help because again, it goes to the issue of credibility and i'll agree with the other guests in terms of i do not believe or there's many that do not believe that the defense has met its obligation here. they have to prove that there is an actual conflict, not just they speculative one there, lead witness or the witness they desire to call first failed on being able to establish that case for them. they had to go to a backup witness who again, in my viewing of the hearing, did not provide sufficient detail tail may have an interest or again, as been labeled as a disgruntled employee and all of that goes to credibility. so when you look at those weakened incredible points with the level of detail that was provided, the surety of the da and providing that level of detail. again, i think if you were looking at it credibility, i don't see where the defense has met their burden nor do i

see where the judge could disqualify her or do you agree with that that i mean, do you see a case for disqualifying her at this point again, she's taking the stand again tomorrow. i don't do that yeah. i have not seen the evidence that would rise the level again, this qualification requirement is that it would go to the heart of the ability of the defendants to get a fair trial we have not addressed the underlying facts. that is part of the reason why ultimately, so far, this is qualification effort is likely to fail. they have not gotten to that the heart of why this would prejudice or undermine the defensibility to have a fair trial. but if if anderson they are disqualified, i do mean they it's not just fani willis. it's her entire office. it would mean that you have a prosecuting counsel in georgia, but then has to choose to either a point and assign or get somebody else to now be the prosecutor that successive team doesn't have to actually follow the recommendations of the indictment. they could add defendants that could take away to that. they could actually dismiss the case and they could

try to go to a private practice, litigate air. that is a hard battle as well. he's talking about a very nominal fee compared to what the stakes are. security issues political implications. there is a huge spotlight over this case. if they are disqualified, this could be slow rolled in a way that we would not have a trial before the action sure. election in november. and dare i say not for the many months to come. and so a lot is riding on this. this judge is well aware if you are disqualified, fani willis the whole office become disqualified as well. >> one place you more of what willis said on the stand >> as he ever visited you at the place you lay your head. >> so let's be clear because you've lied in this. let me tell you which one you loud and right here. thank you. live right here. >> no, no, no. >> this is a true judge. >> how do you think that? >> i think it was i think she was a good witness. i mean, i think if the for the purposes that she was on the stand for

xi actually, i thought demolished the case against her. you some people will simply not believe that some people don't have that much cash around. but, you know, some people do. and other than that, i think she she's a good witness. the problem is that if you ask people in atlanta who are the jury pool, hear about fani willis, they are going to know about this a hell of a lot more than they are going to know about the details of the case. and that's a win for the defense. even if as i expect, they will allow her didn't get it affects the jury potentially it might. but in essence, politically, she may have felt that she needed to show her outrage. i mean, i think that was genuine outrage, but i think politically she was defending her integrity in terms of how it plays with the judge who was ultimately the ones making the decision on this narrow issue of disqualified location. i'm not sure how it played. i mean, he seemed like he was actually getting a little bit impatient with her at times and i believe he called a recess shortly after that clip you played where he basically thinks we're just getting a little too hot. and he said we're going to take a recess and he reminded

everybody that they are professionals including the witness and the lawyers, their lawyers, and that they should treat one another essentially as professionals and not step on one another speech. so i think that there were times where the judge was losing patients with how long her answers were going on and how non-responsive they were. so in terms of his decision here, i'm not sure ultimately if it was to her benefit, caroline polici. thank you. glenn keys as well. thanks. laura, coach will see you at 11:00 on cnn. jessica is going to hey, brandon, jeff toobin as well. we'll talk about the former president's day in court here in new york or judge set the date for what will be the first criminal trial ever faced by a former commander in chief, plus the latest on the shootings at the super bowl celebration in kansas city of my conversation with the brother of lisa lopez-galvan, who was killed there yesterday why choose asleep numbers swap bad? can it keep me warm when i'm cold? >> wait, no, i'm always hot. sleep number doesn't >> match. >> can i make my side? softer? >> i think my side firmer speak

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>> be heard, be hopeful, be you >> batman, does it like a snack? wonderful pistachios get cracking as we said at the top of the program, history was made today here in new york on trump lost his last chance to delay a trial that >> will make him the first ex-president to face a jury of his peers and of criminal case. cnn's kara scannell was in the courtroom as it happened. >> i new york state judge ordering donald trump to stand trial for criminal charges next month. >> instead of being south carolina and other states campaigning, i'm stuck here in this case related to a hush money repayment scheme involving porn star stormy daniels and former trump fixer, michael cohen will begin on march 25. >> there is no cases. >> it's a historic first, a former president facing a jury

and on trial in the middle of a presidential campaign. >> how, can you run for election to be sitting in that courthouse in manhattan all day long. >> the judge in this case, one, we're shawn, made the decision after consulting with judge tanya chutkin, who is overseeing the election subversion case in washington, dc during a pretrial hearing in new york, trump attorney todd blanche seized on that unprecedented timing. protests staying for the lay. we strenuously object to what is happening in this courtroom. he told the judge with trump's eyes locked on his attorney the fact that president trump is going to now spend the next two months working on this trial instead of out in the campaign trail running for president is something that should not happen in this country. judge merchan asked, what's your legal argument? that's my legal argument. blanche said that's not a legal argument. marshawn replied, telling the lawyers he'd see them on march 25th, just have to figure it out i'll be here during the day and i'll be campaigning during the night. >> this case stems from actions

that took place in the days before the 2016 election when donald trump, former national inquirer publisher david and michael cohen allegedly scheme to keep stormy daniels from going public about an affair. according to the indictment, cohen paid $130,000 in hush money to stormy daniels submitted sham legal bills to the trump organization, which the former president reimbursed with a series of monthly checks? >> i did it at the direction of in concert with and for the benefit of donald j. trump. >> today, the parties debated questions to ask perspective jurors and 18 person jury will ultimately be seated. trump's lawyers wanted to delve in to politics telling the judge they need to know if people like trump, judge marshawn called it inappropriate, saying they need fair and impartial jurors >> honor, to sit here day after day after day on something that everybody says the greatest legal scholars say, it's not even a crime. >> that was cnn's kara scannell, who's with us here

and joining us as well, former trump white house communications director anthony scaramucci, jeff toobin, and jessica remain with us. carolyn start out with you. what stood out to you? what >> else stood out in the courtroom? >> so we saw trump and the e jean carroll trial where he was outspoken was disruptive to the courtroom today, he was quiet. he was leaning back in his chair for most of the time and really paying attention to the attorneys who were speaking. what i also thought was interesting. we talked a lot about how the attorneys performed for an audience of one, and i have seen in the cases i've been covering that the lawyers do tend to enhance their dramatic speaking before the judge when trump is in the room and after todd blanche had made his pitch to try to push back the trial date and loss and they moved on to talk about jury selection and to talk about the trial schedule. the judge said, is there anything else you want to bring up? and at that point, blanche looked over at trump who nodded at him, and then blanche began saying he objects to ever everything that's happening in this courtroom. trump shouldn't be here. this shouldn't happen in america. and then when trump was leaving the courtroom, someone in the

back row started clapping and the court officer said, quiet in the courtroom, but that is the first time i've seen someone publicly react in the courtroom to him in a way that was really audible >> do you think this he's saying this hurts him on the campaign trail. he has been able to make any court appearance into a campaign appearance. >> it really does hurt him, no, because it's killing him with the donors the orange see, it's killing him with a large donor community because you also raising office was small. does he is but the incremental fundraise praising his now turning those lemon rhines into lemonade, it's very hard. anderson and so he knows that a path to the presidency requires way more money than he's currently raising. and so this does not help a metal moreover, he'll be in that courtroom for for two months, he makes no fund raising calls. have you talked to any of the big donors and any of the big donors had

talked to ronna romney mcdaniel. they don't want to give her any money. >> and so this is a disaster for the guy. okay. now, he's been lucky. he's got the distraction going on in georgia but michael cohen has been fairly thorough with the prosecution about exactly what happened. and let's let anybody forget michael cohen served jail time for what happened. like this one big this is a big case and it's a big deal for donald trump as a witness though michael cohen has a lot of problems. >> it does have a lot of problems and the prosecution they're smart, just going to front all those problems on their direct examination of him. so it doesn't look like they're hiding anything from the jury and leaving it for cross-examination, and they're going to have to corroborate everything. he says that's material. they're gonna point to the dr. showing the reimbursements and they're going to need other witnesses may be david, who's going to be able to corroborate the purpose of those payments corroboration is going to be absolutely critical here. >> you know, i was in the courtroom to and i was struck by how shabby it is and how there was a bulletin board right next to where trump is

and there's a little piece toured piece of paper that says you know, what to do if there's a mass shooting incident. i mean, that's that's the in a courtroom this is exposed wires everywhere. i mean, this is a rough and tumble new york courtroom and he's going to trial. and you know, that's not good for him. they're going to be witnesses that he's not going to be able to grandstand. he's not going to be able to try this case in the hallway like today. it's just going to be witnesses and it's not clear to me what his defenses other than oh, it's all a lot of nonsense. and michael cohen is a liar. i mean, the documents are the documents and it's a tough case to defend, but there's the idea of the underlying crime here. i mean, he keeps saying it all legal scholars look at this and say, they don't even know what the crime here is, that there's there's the question of the case of what actually is the it's not the hush money per say that there's an underlying it's how those docx as how those payments were handled in the underlying paperwork. and he made the exact argument that

you're implying that there's no crime here to the judge and an opinion issued today, the judge said, yes, it is. it's a crime if the prosecution can prove it, alvin bragg has actually brought up like three or four different options for what the crime. >> so it's primarily a legal argument that he made to the judge and lost today. but how this is not a crime, you can't essentially incorporate one of these theories into the crime of falsifying business records. and he lost on that. now he may prevail on that on appeal sunday okay that's possible. but now, going forward, alvin brides going to have to persuade the jury that trump falsified these business records in order to conceal or further another crime. there are three crimes that the judge has said, brad can pursue before the jury. one is violation of federal election law and others violation of new york state election law. and the third is violation of new york tax law because of how these payments were made, oven bragg was on radio recently, any sort of portraying this as an election interference gets the best framing of this case, i think in terms of the significance of it, this way, these repayments that were made

during the 2016 election where trump allegedly were trying to cover up the affair with stormy daniels that she alleged because he thought that if the public knew about it, it would diminish his chances of succeeding as president. >> the theory makes all kinds of sense that bragg puts forward. it's not just during the election, the check to stormy daniels went on october 27th the week before the election. i mean, that's why he pays argument has been well, i didn't want my wife to find out about this, and therefore, this was made well in the indictment, there's an allegation that you can tell that they spoke to a number of people on his campaign and there is an allegation there that they were concerned about how this was playing with voters. and so that is how they're going to try to tie the two together to prove the case, because bragg is trying to make this as the first election interference case in 2016 before the 2020 it would really hurt them. >> you had the access hollywood tape on october 7 you had that check on october 27th. if that came out the weekend prior to

the campaign was already in trouble with melania he is only offered like to apologize, i think one was to olanna over the october 7 fiasco and so mr. bragg has a real point here about election interference that would you think that's a strong case? oh, i think it would occur plante him if that came out priority election and that was the threat. and i was the hush money payment. >> okay. that's the election interference at the professor's referencing were so a nerd to trump scandals you know, paying $130,000 to a porn star actually was probably a pretty big deal in october of 2016. now, we've talked about it for so many years. it seems like background noise. it was it would've been a >> very big what happens if he is found guilty of this? >> i mean, so as a first-time offender, he's he may not get jail time, but the judge will see what comes in of this case. i mean, part of the theories that this was a big catching kill story, that this was what he was doing. it, not just

stormy daniels, but also the karen mcdougal payment and others, but at the high end of this range, he could get 1.3 to four years in prison. it's going to be up to the judge to decide what he wants to do. >> it all boils down into judge. all boils down to the judge could give them probation. can you see him actually? >> i don't i don't see him ever going to jail. i mean, listen, no gerald ford pardoned richard nixon and there was a firestorm after it. we don't want to jail these political opponents are advocacy. >> i think it's convictional. if he was convicted in the case, do you think it hurts him politically? >> i >> do think it hurts him politically. >> even number of people say, this is like but the least impressive, stand that and let's say it doesn't hurt him with a hard-core 20 to 25%. you got to get the independence and you need the money. anderson, you know this better than anybody. the money is the lucre of these campaigns. he can't find the money. and it's drying up. and by the way, the money stole going to nikki haley. i mean, there's one on fundraiser after the next here in new york

or in silicon valley. >> and has she doing with about money? >> well, my only recommendation to hers, you got to expand the more you got to think like an entrepreneur, you don't challenge trump. go, go find the nonvoters like barack obama did in 2008 and invite them into the party cuz you're not going to beat donald trump on his own home turf. expand the party. i think that's some escape mistake that the adversaries of donald trump are making on the republican side. >> everyone, thanks. appreciate it. good to have you here more on the trump trial shortly. first one we have more breaking news, a significant blow to the house republican biden impeachment probe, special counsel investigating hunter biden tonight charging a former fbi informant with making up claims about the president and hunter biden's involvement with ukrainian company burisma. here with details, cnn's evan perez so how central evan was this testimony of this witness to the house republicans case against biden and hunter biden anderson. >> he is a very central to at least the claim that joe biden

was benefiting from his son's business? it business dealings in ukraine. this informants name is alexander smirnov. he was arrested today and what's important here is that he was the one who told the fbi that in a memo that republicans fought to make public, that the there was a an executive we could have and burisma, the ukrainian energy company where hunter biden was serving as a board member, that that person had said that they were paying joe biden and the hunter biden $5 million apiece in order for for for favors for the business interests of burisma in the united states, what the fbi says is that it's completely false. i'll read you just a part of what they say in the court filing and it says, in short, the defendant transfer transformed his routine and uninsured neri business contacts with burisma in 20 17, and later into bribery

allegations against public official one who is joe biden? we've reported the presumptive nominee of one of the two major political parties for president. after expressing his bias against public official one and his candidacy. this is important because as i pointed out anderson for republicans, this was a big part of their claim that joe biden was corrupt and that his he was benefiting from his family's corruption. and why they've launched this impeachment inquiry. >> has there been any reaction from house republicans? >> will now not surprisingly, they are it's missing the importance of smirnov in their, in their inquiry. and they say that there's a mountain of evidence, james comer told or annie grayer that there's a mountain of evidence since that they've collected that they've amassed as part of this investigation. and so they say that this these documents that the smirnoff is alleged to have false sulfide are not that

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may pose the biggest danger to him financially speaking, he and his sons already have been found liable for fraud. now, the state attorney generals seeking among other penalties, more than $370 million from the former president and his businesses, joined now by investigative reporter and syracuse university law lecture, david cay johnston. he's the author of the big cheat out. donald trump fleeced america and enriched himself and his family back with us former federal prosecutor, jeffrey toobin. what do you expect the damages to actually be tomorrow? >> probably around with what the prosecution has asked for. i mean, this is a case that the prosecution has one at every step of the process. and, you know, if it's not $370 million, maybe it's $300 million. and obvious this leave this will be appealed to, but as in the e jean carroll case, he is going to be in a position of having to post bonds or post the amount of money that is charged against him for in order to appeal. and it's not at all clear that he's got to get that money to just to post it

in order to have an appeal, correct. or pay >> a bonding company if you can find one a portion of that, but then you'd have to pay interest on that, which of course he doesn't want to do, david, i mean, you were skeptical few weeks ago that the foreign president has enough cash to pay the $83 e jean carroll verdict. what do you expect him to do if tomorrow he gets hit with a few hundred million dollars for more penalties >> well, i think he and his lawyers will scream and yell that this is all unfair and it's rigged, which is of no legal consequence. and then he's going to have to make some very hard decisions. i will be very surprised if in about three weeks he's able to come up with the money to appeal the e. jean carroll case. and if he can't, that of course should get people to understand that his money is all smoke and mirrors. and in this case, is jeffrey pointed out $370 million or perhaps a bond of around 80 million but who is going to loan donald the rest of that money so this is going

to be very doesn't have assets for, doesn't he does have properties? >> he does, though. we don't know if they're unrecorded loans. that's how we bought mar-a-lago chase bank in writing and a letter i have promised to never record the mortgage on that property. and i think there may be other obligations that haven't come to light but he may be able to persuade the court to let him put up properties as security rather than cash in a deposition in this case, he said he had $400 of liquid assets that strikes me and david knows far better than i as extremely unlikely that he has them that might that much in liquid assets and you know, that you can't fake money at this point. you have to put up actual cash and it's not at all clear that he can do that >> david. do you agree with that? >> no, absolutely i never

thought donald had 400 million maybe if he was counting the money donors have been giving and part of which he's been diverting to his legal fees, which by the way, it should be treated by the irs as taxable income to him we'll see if anything has ever done about that down the road. >> jeff, i mean, there's also the trump organization and its assets. can you use that? well and it's also the management of the >> trump organization. i mean, one of the remedies that the attorney general, the state attorney general, is asking for. here is to take control basically remove control from and at the moment, a former judge, barbara jones is essentially running the trump organization. but one of the remedies here maybe to make that make that kind of thing permanent which renders, which creates the possibility that donald trump may be living in trump tower, but he may not manage it anymore. >> i mean, >> so i mean, there's a real change in the whole business

structure as well as just money out of his pocket that could be the result here. >> david, does this affect his two sons, eric and donny junior? don't they? i mean, they work for the organization. does this impact them? i mean, are they financially liable here as well >> they are. they're actually seven charges and only one persistent fraud has been settled, and i expect the judge is going to find against the trump's for all of them and if the judge is concerned at all about trump absconding with money or not falling. the court orders. i think he'll reinstate his order from months ago, revoking all of trump's business licenses. we call them business certificates in new york and if that happens, trump cannot do business in new york. he will have to one way or another dispose of those properties. and the trump organization is a new york corporation. a corporation is a privilege granted by the state, which can be revoked if you don't play by the rules.

>> so if he didn't have businesses licenses in new york, he would have to sell everything. he has a new york >> we'd have to transfer it. i don't think it's clear exactly how the process would work. certainly not clear to me, but essentially, yes, you have to eliminate his business activity so you could still on his apartment in trump tower? but the retail space in the office space that he owns and the handful of apartments in the building he still owns. those were all come into this as would as other properties, his golf course and westchester county in new jersey has golf course. there is california golf course. all of these our underneath a new york corporation of the trump organization, which is a corporation. >> and the way the lawsuit is structured, the sun's couldn't run it either >> jeff toobin. thank you so much. duplicate johnson. appreciate it coming up as kansas city still reels from yesterday's deadly shooting in the super bowl rally we'll take you live to a candlelight, vigil and bring you the latest in the investigation. and once you know about the woman who

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>> gunfire police say it was a personal dispute at the end of a rally celebrating the kansas city chiefs super bowl win leaving one woman dead and over 20 injured victims, age range between eight years old and 47 years old. at least half of our victim are under the age of 16 >> juveniles are now in custody for the shooting >> some kind of gangs >> you know, the relationship shift between the subjects involved, way, that's still under investigation. >> several guns were recovered according to police, have enough evidence at this point. >> so some of those questions i'm not able to give a direct answer just because i want to protect the integrity a gritty of this investigation seems like we aren't so many hours from not announced >> we have subjects that are at least one person was tackled by

bystanders. trey filter said he helped knocked down one man and hold him until police arrived. >> we were pretty awaited once we know we had him and they started yelling that there's a gun case. >> the filter said she grabbed the gun at first, actually, that was it looked like a toy, but then once i picked it up, i quickly realized it definitely was not nearly 24 hours after the parade ended. crews are out here cleaning up and what they're finding are many of the personal items that people left behind as they were running for their lives. you could see some of them here blankets and chairs, which strollers, little strollers here for babies >> the aftermath of >> thousands of parade goers rushing for cover as hundreds of officers on scene ran toward their shots. >> all of a sudden through the partitions, a wave of people come rushing through screaming gun ron, and i was watching people being trampled >> one family said several of them were hit. >> my son got shot in, my wife got shot, she got shot in her

calf. i got shot directly in the ankle. >> lisa lopez-galvan died at the scene. she was a local kansas city area radio dj. this city now grieving after a day of celebration, kansas city chiefs offensive lineman trey smith said he and his fellow players have to take cover and help young fans stay calm amid the shooting. >> some pretty angry >> to this senseless violence, you know, someone lost her life today. you have children are injured. children are traumatized shimon, what more do we know about the investigation when there when there'll be charges >> that's the big question right now. and this and because police are just not releasing much information, we tried to get answers from them earlier today. they wouldn't talk talk about the individuals that they have in custody, just simply saying that they're juveniles. so that could be what's causing some of the delays, but it's been over 24 hours these two individuals have been in their custody and we have yet to know if they're going to be charged or if there are any charges. so

that's the big question right now. and also, what was this dispute about earlier as you saw, i asked whether or not this was some kind of gang activity. they refused to answer that question. so there's still obviously a lot of questions students that i think the police need to answer or anderson shmona, appreciate it. thank you. yesterday, we we knew one person had been killed at the celebration. we didn't know her identity, but tonight we do. and her family wants you to know her name and who she was in life, not just in death. her name was lisa lopez-galvan she was a mother radio dj and part of a very close-knit family who loved her deeply. her brother beto lopez joins me now. beto, thank you so much for joining us. i am so sorry for your loss and this must i can't imagine how surreal this must seem >> yes, absolutely >> you >> know, there's still, our families still pretty much in a

state of shock and we're pretty close knit family, so that's helping us get through this period >> i know lisa's husband children were with her at the rally. lisa son was also shot. how is he doing? how are the other family members doing? >> yeah. we're happy to report that my nephew is out of the hospital and he's in recovery and, you know, aside from a broken heart and hurtful heart with the loss of his mother, my sister you know, he's he's coming along. okay >> my you had as many as 20 family members at the rally, right >> we did. we had quite a group. they're actually had more people and other dispersed and other parts of the area. but yeah. just a big celebration. we wanted to celebrate with our home team. >> at least it was a big, big chiefs fan. i understand >> yeah. without a doubt, she she was a big local sports fan in general, but i think i think

there's no one louder and my family that she was as a chiefs fan >> tell us about lisa. i mean, she just sounds like such an extraordinary person, so outgoing, clearly loved music. i mean, she was a dj for a kkfi radio there should dj to as well at events and functions >> lisa absolutely was an amazing woman great mother, great sister, great friend. >> yes. she just loved having fun and helping others and you know, the things that she did in this community are going to be felt and badly. people are going to be hurting for awhile with her loss growing up, was music somethings she was always passionate about >> yeah. yeah, it's kinda funny story. we have three generations of very decorated musicians and our family. >> wow, and >> my siblings and i broke that trend but she took a being a

dj, i guess you counted that as a musician and as he did a really good job with that great job >> what else do you want people to know about her? remember about her? >> yeah absolutely. you know, you have tragic situations like this one that occur unfortunately, way too often and a lot of times, individuals get lost as just statistics are numbers my sister was a real person she was a very loving caring, and devoted mother. like i said earlier, and community leader xi did a lot for this community and the kansas city area, raising money for a lot of terror, charitable events and organizations and it's something will be very proud of forever >> but again, i'm so sorry for your loss and your family's loss and i hope you can spend time with family and have time to to get through this together. thank you so much for being with us

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