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sit out of the new hampshire primary. more on that. and who allegedly paid for the scheme? we're following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here. the news central >> was alexey navalny on the cost of being released in a prisoner swap before he died, one of the late kremlin critic's top aides claiming negotiations were in their final stages for a deal that would have freed navalny and two americans held in russia in exchange for a russian assassin in german custody. today, the spokesman for the kremlin said he was unaware of this proposal, but a western official confirms to cnn that talks were underway. we have cnn's matthew chance in moscow for us. matthew, what do you learn? bring about this >> well, brianna, it's been rumored for some months that alexey navalny, the late russian opposition leader, was

part of the negotiations for a prisoner swap. those talks have been underway for some time between the united states and russia to try and get us citizens in russian prisons, freed people like evan gershkovich, the wall street journal reporter, and paul whelan, a former us marine. but this is the first time that the vowel need team has come out publicly and said, at admitted that alexey navalny was being discussed and was sort of part of that negotiation more than that. they say that the negotiation i'd reached the final stage just the day before alexey navalny was pronounced dead at that arctic penal colony. and what navalny's team are saying is that he was essentially taken off the negotiation table by the kremlin to prevent him being freed, prevent him being swapped, being killed. of course, that's something kremlin have categorically denied that described allegations that they were having to do this, that as obnoxious. i've spoken to the kremlin over the course of the past day and they said they got

no idea. they or heard anything about this proposal or this all this agreement being made about swapping navalny. nevertheless, it is potentially we've seen there there are some, some confirmation that you'd have been telling us about about how this was something that was being discussed. it is a very interesting twist in this ongoing tragic saga about the late opposition leader. now, just some other bit of quick news, which is at the end of the week, navalny's team. so they're going to be staging a public memorial bill, a public farewell to alexey navalny's funeral, not giving us the exact day, probably friday, possibly thursday. they haven't found a venue that will host it yet, but it will be an intensely political event. and so it could be a flashpoint for anti-kremlin, anti-government protests across the country. so we're watching that very carefully, brianna. >> all right, we will watch that matthew chance. thank you for that report. boris. >> let's break down the story with a former member of the fbi

hostage rescue team, rob d'amico. he's the founder of sierra one consulting rob, thanks so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. i want to get your reaction to this news that alexia navalny, according to aides, the kremlin was ready to release him and a pair of american citizens in exchange for this convicted murderer and former fsb officer. does that seem like something these parties would have actually agreed to? >> yeah. i just read it and i was kinda shot to it but when you're doing negotiations, you really only have to ensure that who you're talking to actually has the connections to make what you're negotiating happened so if whoever we were talking to in this, if it was going on, they may not have had the kremlin's permission to do this. it may be something that they were working that they are going to bring up or if the kremlin actually kind of game the bill had what level did that happen? >> and did the

>> people holding him actually understand that? unless he sick to a point that he was a couldn't be brought back. if it happens. so a lot of this is going to come out. and right now and it's right on the edge we're were the germans going to release an assassin? don't know. but if they were talking about it you always have to understand what level was at approved that or what what level was discussed. >> in the government's that's a really interesting point. it brings up the scenario that the kremlin, or at least parts of the kremlin that are connecting with matthew chance on the story we're actually telling the truth that at a certain level, a lot of folks didn't know that there was a negotiation going down. if there was the timing though seems significant on navalny aides saying that the final stages of the agreement were in place on february 15 of course, navalny died on the 16th the following day. does that add all do you make his death seem

more suspicious? >> it does. it does. but when you're dealing with governments at lie and you may never get the true. >> you just don't know. >> and then the whole misinformation back-and-forth it could have been the understanding of one group that negotiations were further on when they weren't. and that's kind of the problem with these negotiations when they're dunk covertly is really getting that word out is always one of our time to be scared is when we thought we were close to the deal. and if the actual hostage takers who had custody of the person knew that too, said that no harm or that they took care of them. we do know like taliban and connie's when they were negotiating for someone, they actually started to take in a little bit better care one because they didn't want the prisoner to come out looking horrible. they want him to look decent when they came out of custody. >> such an interesting point, can you walk us through some of the complexity of these

negotiations when they're politically charged like this. because i imagine it would have taken a great deal for someone like alexey navalny to be released, being seen as such, an enemy of the kremlin >> that's that's really the last couple of negotiations both in israel and russia. you're dealing with politicians who actually have other agendas when we're negotiating with groups, even if it's a terrorist group, you understand what they're really looking for, what they want. you get down to. obviously, the family wants him back, and you're dealing. i think at a more level plain with that. but when you bring in a politician, like you look at netanyahu, he's making claims. well, as he tried to to save himself or is he really trying to release the hostages? when you look at putin, let you look at an egot that is so big would like you said, what do you really let this guy go if he was just so hated by him, so that the politician throws a different level in the negotiations and i

think it makes it like ten times tougher because you just don't understand what their endpoint is when you have straight up negotiations. i think that's basically, you understand what they want, you understand what you want to get out of it? >> rubbed amigo. thanks for sharing the expertise >> my pleasure. >> brianna. >> in the meantime, there is fierce fighting underway in ukraine as russia is intensifying attacks following the second anniversary of its invasion, ukrainian forces were forced to retreat from a village in the donetsk region just days after for russian soldiers captured abdivka. and it's those examples that are adding more fuel to the fight over ukraine funding in congress, president biden set to meet with the four top congressional leaders tomorrow. he's hoping to broker a deal on his 60 billion aid package to ukraine to package that is desperately needed on the frontlines in an interview with cnn's kaitlan collins, ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy said that without a

deal, his country could be doomed you see the difference that us egg makes its what you're saying. >> yes, it van that this year. if avant-garde and saying we will not add any success and also, i will have any success. any new success and i think the route will be closed with a grain because it to defend it it's also about some ammunition, some air defense and some other systems so that's why without it and without we can't count on this really stark comment. you're basically saying that there'll be no new success for ukraine if there's no new us aid essentially, this all depends on us aid. >> steps success forward will depend on either say, yes, not defending or not only defending line. because if you defend, just defend, you give possibility. russia

>> push you >> yes, small steps back, but any anyway, you, we will have this steps back small one. but when you stepped back, you lose people. >> we will >> lose people with us now to talk more about this retired air force colonel and cnn military analyst cedric leighton. i mean, that's pretty stark. what he's saying there essentially without this aid, ukraine is going to start losing. is that iucn? yeah i think that's absolutely true. brianna, because if you don't have this kind of aid and you have to look at ukraine as being very vulnerable in all of these different areas. not only do you have the russian occupied area here in red, but you also have the russian border right in through here. you have belarus, which is a russian ally here you have russian troops in moldova that could potentially act up pretty soon i in potentially be used as part of russian effort to annex this part of the territory. so and then of course we also have this area right here around odessa. it's very vulnerable because there's very little coastline

left that the ukrainians have to move their grain through the black sea. so ukraine isn't a vulnerable position that no matter how you look at it. >> and let's look at the change here because six months ago, this is ukraine. we got to keep our eye on the territory there in the names of the towns in the cities, there's been obviously this shift walk us through the changing territory. yeah. so what do you basically seeing here, brianna, is that bakhmut, of course, was taken over by the russians of difficult recently evacuated by the ukrainians and the russians are also moving into towns right along this area right here. there's a town called orlivka, not to be confused with another tone of a similar name that's a bit it further west, but that town right in this area is being subjected to a russian movement on three different sides of it. so the russians are in essence trying to advance their area into this part of ukraine, which would of course have a significant impact on the ukrainians ability to defend it. not only this part the country, but the

rest of it as well. >> and the eastern front, i mean, this is the key as we look a little closer in here this is the key area. this is where the fight is. why is this so important? >> well, this is so important for a variety of reasons, but primarily luhansk and donetsk, these two oblasts are regions right here were the ones that the russians occupied starting in 2014. they also moved forward into this area right here to create a land bridge to crimea. so it's important because it's economically a very important region. it has not have naturally for resources, coal, either minerals, plus a lot of industry is in this area and it is the center of russian speaking of the russian speaking population of ukraine. so that is why the russians wanted, but the ukrainians also wanted for economic reasons plus to maintain the viability of ukraine independent state. >> yeah, it's key to its economy and it will be over time as well. so zelenskyy also saying in that interview that russia is preparing a new

offensive and we are aware of course that ukraine has been preparing its own, what's the interaction here? >> so the basic thing here when you look at the broad picture here is the russians. i have several options. if they move their forces into these particular areas, predominantly from the south, we could see things happening in this area for your right around the rivers that dnipro river and specifically, plus of course, there clearly on the move from the east to the west around of defka bakhmut. these areas right here, kharkiv the second city is always at risk. it's only 30 kilometers from the russian border, plus there's always a risk to kyiv right now. there's no indication that kyiv's in danger. however, that could change depending on how the russians move their forces. >> let's talk about the aid package and why what's in the aid package is so critical. >> right? so let's take a look at some of this because first of all, 20 billion is going to be used if this aid package passes as it's currently written, to replenish military

weapons that have already been provided to ukraine from the deal udi inventory. what this means is that it's going to replenish our inventory, not to the ukrainian inventory. and there's 14 billion that's going to allow ukraine to buy us weapons. so that allows them to actually have weapons for their own use. and then another key factor here is military training intelligence sharing, and other support that is worth about 15 billion. this is a critical element right here we gain a lot of intelligence from the ukrainians. they have a special relationship that was reported in the new york times, just the other day with the cia. they also have relationships with the other us intelligence agencies where they're providing very unique insights. so this is basically an investment not only in the relationship with ukraine, but also in our ability to secure nato is eastern and flag. >> yeah, people forget and we, we've known because of this washington post analysis for months now, about 90% of this

money going towards weapons is actually coming back into the us. people think it just goes to ukraine. it's not, this is where they're getting the weapons. so it also does contribute to the the industry. here in the us, cedric. thank you so much for taking us through that. we appreciate it. but brianna and boris, we're learning new details today about a deadly protest outside the israeli embassy in washington authorities identified aaron bushnell as the person who on sunday set himself on fire. the 20 was an active-duty member of the us air force cnn's gabe cohen joins us now with the details and gave this is something that he did in protest. >> yeah, that's correct. and we're learning much more about this 25-year-old active duty airman aaron bushnell, as you mentioned, he's from san antonio, texas and he livestreamed his the actions on sunday in broad daylight on the streets of dc outside the

israeli embassy. we're not going to show that video. it is extremely graphic and disturbing. i have watched the video. i can tell you at the beginning, at the start of it, you can see bush now walking up to the embassy on the street and his military fatigues he's speaking calmly to the camera. i want to read a portion of what he says. he said, quote, i will no longer be complicit in genocide. i'm about to engage in an extreme act of protest. but compared to what people had been experiencing and palestine at the hands of their colonizers. it is not extreme at all. this is what our ruling class has decided will be normal. he then goes on to pour some sort of accelerant. it looks like on his head out of a water bottle he was carrying. and many lights himself on fire, boris. and as the flames engulf them, you can hear him yelling free palestine, free palestine again and again until finally, he collapses. and that is when officers, you can see them race and one of them with a fire extinguisher and their hands trying to put out the flames. but it takes time. and

as we have learned, bushnell died in the hospital well, at some point later on and look, it really speaks to the tensions that are continuing to escalate around the war in gaza, not just across the world, but here in the united states, we saw similar incident in december when someone's self emulated, lift themselves on fire outside of the israeli consulate in atlanta. but this feels different. this is an active duty member of the military burning himself to death on the streets of the nation's capital >> gabe cohen, thanks so much for the details appreciate it. >> still to come on news central, republicans facing tough questions after alabama's ivf court ruling saying that embryos are children it's as democrats step up their messaging on reproduce deductive rights. we're going to speak to one dr. at an alabama fertility clinic about what's next for her patients. plus today, the supreme court hearing arguments on cases that could change what we see on social media are really important case involving florida and texas. and some incredible deep sea

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reproductive rights intensifies. the white house says that republican lawmakers who once supported in vitro fertilization are now trying to erase their own records on ivf already a number of republican lawmakers have tried to distance themselves from the ruling with many struggling to respond to it here's texas governor greg abbott on cnn are you saying that families in texas who are using ivf have extra embryo embryos that are >> frozen, do not need to worry well, so you raise fat questions that are complex that i simply don't know the answer to. let me give you a couple of examples and that is i have no idea mathematically, the number of frozen embryos is at 01:10 hundred 1,000 things like that matter. these are very complex issues where i'm not sure everybody is really thought about what all the potential problems are. and as a result, no one really knows what the

potential answers are and the days since the alabama ruling, multiple fertility clinics have expressed concerns over potential liability based on the >> ruling with us now to talk about this as a dr. at one of those clinics physician and reproductive endocrinologist with alabama fertility specialists, dr. mamie mclean dr. thank you so much for being with us. you wrote in a column recently, quote, the alabama supreme court ruling is truly a nightmare for physicians and patients across the state. help us understand your perspective on this decision. >> so when we found out about the decision sunday morning, it was a complete shock to us. we had no idea that this was ongoing and the implications for our clinic are significant. if in fact an embryo is equivalent to a child than the normal procedures that we undergo. but an ivf lab are

simply not tenable any further there are patients that are ready for embryo transfers and ivs that i simply cannot take care of well, a lot has been made. dr. about the ruling being intended to protect couples and their embryos the embryos are now covered under the wrongful death of a minor act. it has obviously created uncertainty for providers like you, but i'm curious about what you think the intention is. do you think this is a byproduct unintended consequences of the decision, or was this intentionally meant to limit ivf? >> i can't speak to the intent of the justices, but i can say that what happened to the couple's and south alabama is something that should be avoided, are embryos should be taken care of and carefully watched by ivf clinics and cryo storage facility please. >> but >> the decision that an embryo

is equivalent to a child effectively cancels or shuts down the ivf clinics and the state of alabama dr. would've your conversations been like with patients since this ruling, those that had to >> pause ivf treatments, i'm wondering what they've shared with you they're worried right now. they don't have any options in the state of alabama. not only can i not provide an embryo transfer to them, but now they're unable to take their embryos outside of the state to have an embryo transfer. so there absolutely fewer pregnancies and will be fewer babies it's born in the state of alabama as a result of this ruling >> if you could help us better understand the process. i think it would illuminate some of the ramifications of this decision because there are a lot of steps for patients even before the embryo is ready for implantation, right? and timing is also a critic pickled component of this

>> so the lead up to ivf treatments can be months at a time. it involves about two weeks of fertility injections that are used to grow the eggs a procedure to remove the eggs from the body then the eggs are fertilized and embryos are then grown in cultured in the lab until they reach the blastocyst stage. >> and that's when >> a physician in a patient should be able to make a decision about whether to do an embryo transfer for to freeze embryos at that juncture once the embryos are frozen, they do provide couples with more opportunities to be successful because it can take up to two to three transfers to become pregnant what has been your advice to those patients that are stuck now in this process >> my advice is to get involved to make your voice heard, to

work with our legislature and our state to make this right? at a time where we feel so powerless. advocacy and awareness are only tools. >> dr. mamie mclean, we appreciate the work that you're doing and your desire to bring attention to this issue. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> of course >> still ahead. we now know who is behind a robocall urging voters in new hampshire to sit out the primary in that state. how a magician found himself in the middle of a political scandal. and the two controversial supreme court cases that could dramatically change how you use the internet and what you see on social media moments after a quick break >> eliot >> spitzer crusading governor by de, wanted to be present in the united states. client number nine i'm buying nights. >> this guy who is a crusader against human sex trafficking is actually a customer united

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jomana, what legal grounds are florida and texas using to make this case? >> sure. boris great to be with you. and i just came from four hours of arguments at the supreme court's i can tell you what happened. this case has the potential to really transform the internet and what people can see on it potential out underscore there because there doesn't seem to be a majority. that's interested in what the states are arguing here. and the states florida and texas are trying to deflect this challenge by saying there shouldn't be a first amendment question here because we're not trying to regulate expressive activity here or any kind of message of these platforms. what we're trying to do is restrict conduct as if we would a common carrier like a telegraph, telephone entity, rather than something that could be like into more to a publisher or a newspaper. and the justices seemed to really push back on that on two accounts. first, both of these cases are up there on what we

call preliminary injunctions. these laws have been blocked. an early stage, and there was never a really detailed record, especially in the florida case to say how broadly with this sweep would it involve just the big social media companies like facebook, youtube, tiktok, those kinds of things twitter slash x or could it go to all sorts of other commercial activities? in line for example, like uber or etsy, lots of questions from the justices in the bottom line seemed to be that this is not going to be the case that has any kind of really potential sweeping ruling that will change the internet part of what the court has to decide ultimately as whether content moderation patient itself is constitutional. >> in this case it's the court has in many cases already allowed that kind of discretion

by someone who runs a site. i mean, we have had cases just last year, the three or three creative one, where it talked about the kind of content that would go up on a site. a wedding website, where exactly where the woman running it said that she wanted to be in control of whether she handled any kind of message that related to same-sex marriage. so there has been there have been cases in which a either parade organizers, they switch back to a parade organiz that essentially accepted all comers but didn't want parade entity that would conflict with their message that that has been allowed and that's what the companies are saying here, is that there is precedent out there. if you're gonna, this is not this is a site that these are sites that already have messages and the companies running them already have a certain degree of editorial

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>> yeah, it's great to have >> you these 100 new >> species and how significant is that? >> it's groundbreaking. so we're gonna do is, as we explore our boundaries and our ability to examine and explore the ocean, we're gonna find new species. it's, it's basically the ocean is so rich with life that if we find all these creatures, we may just very well find cures for things dr. the researchers use this deep sea robot, talk to us about that technology, how far it can go under the sea? so the >> deep-sea robots have gone as far as challenger deep, there's been one that's gone that dpp, which is in excess of 35,000 feet, but realistically, it's very complex and there's a tremendous amount of pressure down there so it winds up being a very hard problem to solve. but as we go forward on the engineering portion of it, we're getting to see things like this, pretend if you look where you've never looked

before, you're going to find what you'd never found. and this is an incredible find. i mean, like when i say cures, there are anticancer causing properties and caribbean sea squirts. there are antimicrobial things that are in a veteran. some fish it's a real terrific day to be, to be alive, we can find 100 new species. that's terrific. >> so those are pretty amazing potentials for cures. how much exploration is required? to get to some kind of breakthrough like that >> yeah. so what we're 4.5 billion years of genomic wisdom, that means we've been around that long, right? we believe there's about 20 million things on this planet species, if you will. we've only found about 5 million of them, which is really hey, a bit daunting. but as, as we improve, we're going to continue to find more and more and more and more as our technology improves, we're

going to be able to get deeper, get to the greater pressure depths where we're going to find these new and interesting creatures which like i said, we could possibly fly when james cameron went to the bottom of the manage trench, he found a sea lice. that sea lice when we pulled a dna sample of it, it's a push-up cure for alzheimer's >> how cool was that? >> amazing that is incredible. i guess the question for me is how delicate these ecosystems are. because obviously these discoveries are amazing. but the context of is that we're watching an ocean that is very rapidly warming and changing in a way that doesn't quite support the kind of life in diversity of life that we cherish right? >> we, and we were on the precipice of the sixth great extinction. and unfortunately, let's just say that the cure for cancer is out there somewhere and we're looking

and we're polluting our oceans. we have the delicate ecosystem that it contains 70% of our planet is water we really have to take care of the ocean. otherwise, we're going to have these, these unstable problems and you're going to come up with killing these ecosystems or at least damaging them. so you're absolutely right, they are fragile and it just reminds us every day better take care of this ocean >> this one was found on this underwater mountain that they didn't know. was there talk to us about why that is a particularly significant ecosystem for these kinds of creatures. >> right? so the interesting part, depending on the exact depth, what we suppose at this point is that the water level dropped pretty significantly during the ice ages. when it did entire ecosystems shifted down. so that's why there's differences between these two sea mounts, right? to for sea mounts in a row. and there's completely different

ecosystems. why? because they developed in this line of, well, the water level was low so they couldn't get between one another. so they just developed on their own little side. so it's really kind of a neat infrastructure where they have these little kingdoms sir, fight terms if you will, of creatures that are just in a stack like i said, trust me, the naming and the taxonomy of creatures is a long process, so we are far from saying, yes, every single one of these is a brand new species to science, but we're getting close dr. dituri, great to have you. thank you for kind of blown our minds with all of this. it's really fascinating stuff. thanks for your time >> thank you. >> all right bye. all right. we'll be right back >> united states of scandal with jake tapper. sunday, a

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