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just after 06:00 a.m. here in washington. a live look at capitol hill to start your morning good morning to you. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. voters are voting primary voters in michigan head to the polls just an hour from now, today is a critical test for president joe biden. and it's not because he's at risk of actually losing outright it's about the state's significant arab american and muslim community and how much they are hurting over the war in gaza gaza they want to make a statement. michigan congresswoman rashida tlaib is urging her fellow democrats to choose uncommitted instead of backing biden it, is awesome for it to create a bode plot something that is a bullhorn to say enough is enough >> the president made a stop yesterday for ice cream after he taped an interview for late night with seth meyers while he was trying to polish off this cone he had this to say about a possible ceasefire in gaza >> my match security adviser tells me that we're close. we're closer, not done yet. my

hope is by next monday, we'll have a ceasefire all right, let's bring in cnn political director david chalian. david, i'm so grateful to have you as part of the morning of the show here in washington so the optics of the ice cream cone are i mean, it's such a serious topic, it's a little jarring to see. >> i never want to criticize the president for taking questions from the press. i'm glad i'm glad he took the question, but yes, the optics are a bit odd to talk about a ceasefire while look, i asked me, what did you make of kind of he also talked about this at length on the show with seth meyers. and what's your view of i mean, this timing is pretty remarkable. these trying to give people hope for a ceasefire as he's facing this purchase vote. >> yeah. i mean, i also think the timing of next week's state of the union is where this ceasefire work is as well. because much like the border visit coming up later this week, i think you see the biden team trying to check off a lot of things in advance of what is going to be their biggest platform before we get to his convention speech in the fall.

but i do think the number that i'm going to pay most attention to tonight in michigan is 15. that's it's the number of electoral votes michigan has come november and there we will learn some lessons tonight through this primary about vulnerabilities exposed here for biden, i think we learned on saturday casey in south carolina in the context of republican primary general election vulnerabilities exposed for donald trump. and tonight, i think we're going to see some exposure those for joe biden. i think those are helpful clues. i don't know that we can extrapolate vote for vote uncommitted gets this many votes that we're going to know exactly how much trouble he's in a michigan. but michigan is by far of the three blue wall states, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin that joe biden needs that he flipped that helped deliver him the white house. michigan's the one that right now what is a little out of reach for him and that the biden team is working very hard to bring back in the number that the protest vote the people that are pushing it upset is 10,000 votes. does that number mean anything to

you in the context what you just laid out or not. >> i mean, obviously i think they have chosen that number because of the mark or between clinton and trump in 2016 when she lost the state. it's not that that's insignificant. i would imagine that number is probably very achievable if i had to guess when totals come in they're setting it there as well i don't think we're going to be able to do a one vote for one vote of 10,000 in the context of but primary vote uncommitted. we know exactly how many he's going to lose in november. but clearly this is a closely divided state. it is a critical state for joe biden to win in order to win the presidency. and so any fraying of his coalition that is a parent tonight is his to-do list with eight months to go going forward. >> yeah. >> let's such briefly on the republican side of things because i mean, it's a mess. just trying to explain the fact that there's two people that they're claiming to be the chairman of the michigan republican party, which is not something i feel like i've seen before. >> that's >> competing conventions like

the way the delegates were awarded. but there is going be, you're, you've talked a lot about the information that we can learn. what do you think? we can learn tonight from the republican side? >> well, this is our first real contest because nevada was also a bit of a mess, you know, between primary and caucus system to see a primary where it hasn't been fully engaged battle, right? we've seen nikki haley engage, spend a ton of money, her super pac spending in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, tons of visits this has not been engaged battle. i think we're going to get a more natural sense in the results on the republican side to make kasie about what is trump's bleeding of republicans that he will need to unify going forward absent fully engaged republican opponent because it just hasn't been very present that way. >> yeah, no, it's really interesting because she is especially in south carolina. i mean, she campaigned very hard and you saw that people that were in some 16 to one and it's her home state and yeah. we have that kind of dynamic in michigan. so i think we get a more sense of, okay. what, what does donald trump not have unified in a state like really

interesting, all right, david is going to stay with us, but we do want to bring in our all-star panel audie cornish is cnn and current host of the assignment with audie cornish. jonah goldberg is the co-founder and editor in chief of the dispatch, and ashley etienne, she's former communications director for vice president harris and senior adviser to nancy pelosi. i'm so grateful to have all of you here audie, let's talk a little bit more about the community in michigan. that as you talked a little bit about this yesterday about just the sheer emotion that is driving this. and just to kinda give people a sense, in michigan, david referenced the 10,000 votes that separated hillary clinton from donald trump when donald trump won michigan, it was 150,000 votes that separated trump and biden when we in the 2020 when biden won, there are about 140,000 people who voted in that election who say that they are muslims. now that's obviously not all air americans are muslim. not all muslims are arab american. but

this is a really significant community. and to leave has been encouraging them to vote as a book block. how do you see that playing out? >> well, i think that's the point of primaries, right? it's, it's, you're moment as she says, to have a bull horn and say this is the issue that matters to me. i'd also like to broaden this out because this is not necessarily an issue. what's going on in gaza that is affecting arab americans only generationally young people but democratic party view this differently. michigan has a large student population. michigan has, as you said, a large arab-american and even black muslim population. these are all people who find affinity with what they see as oppression in the region and one of the reasons why i think this is an interesting test is having a test the coalition, meaning you're white blue collar labor guys, your various affinity groups, your students. this is a different picture than south carolina. don't you think where it was really more like, hey, remember those folks who helped us last time. are

they coming back? this is like, oh, well, what is the picture of the group of voters? to backup biden and is this going to happen >> i mean, is that >> too much? and i think you get a little representative in michigan of each slice of his co yeah >> they're saying, look, you walk the picket lines for labor, like the mayor of dearborn was upset when they sent campaign people instead of policy people to talk about that middle east, they're saying, take us seriously. and i think that's maybe how we can think of it instead of just sort of like which identity group is complaining today >> fair enough. let's take a look. john stuart actually opened the daily show with a monologue about gaza last night, i want to watch a little bit that good could you please be more careful with >> your bombing? go to but really good in the united states have told israel that when we gave him all the ball bombs like you're coc, dealer

coming in with an eight ball and going don't stay up all night >> jonah goldberg, we've talked a lot about where democrats are on this and ashley, you know, weigh in too, but there's a reason why the president has been worry is this entire time on this issue, which is that still despite the pressure from progressives, a lot of the countries with them on israel, yeah that's my problem with the way the media generally talks about the michigan issue at all that is you know, there's nothing wrong with the squeaky wheel getting attention. that's how politics, that's up them awkward. it works people who organized and protest get attention at the same time. it's sort of assumed that if he would just switch positions to what the sort of the receipt, it's williams won that would solve as political problems and it would not david's right about michigan being on the teetering point for biden. if he went whole hog the other way, he probably lose pennsylvania. >> and he might >> and it's not obvious to me when you look at the numbers that that switching positions

would gain him more votes than would lose them even in michigan. >> this all >> goes to the bit and i think this is part of audie's point, is like it's more of a generational thing that is a real threat to biden than the arab american and are muslim vote and michigan and it just goes effect that his coalition is much bigger than donald trump's. and therefore, you going to have people on different sides of issues and the same coalition fdr had straight up klansman and communists, jews, and blacks and his coalition and weird things happen in making us back to that it was a big tent party back then. and so i think that he's just it's not bad position where he is kind of a no-win political situation no matter what. >> yeah. no the president and administrations and walk-ins incredibly fine line for months now since october, in fact. but i think the announcement that we're close to a ceasefire is a game changer, especially going into michigan tonight and expense especially going into the state of union. so i am hearing has from the

administration that they're sort of breathing a sigh of relief to some degree that there could be some pressure being led out the bow here and will. but we'll see to everyone's point tonight how this plays out. but i don't think that there's any sort of hair on fire concern because again, i think they think that this whole thing will be wrapped up and we still have eight more months. >> very interesting, i will say max foster earlier in the show was saying the israelis are throwing some cold water on what biden had to say last night. so i'm interested to see how that dynamic plays out. david chalian, our political director, always happy to have you specially on primary day. i'm much more with the rest of our panel after the break and we'll be talking to michigan senator debbie staff habba now, later on in the hour about all of this and up next, taylor swift's father is facing an assault complaint in australia. we're going to tell you what the singer's team is saying now. plus senator amy klobuchar live on cnn this morning with her take on the border crisis plus the political calculation behind president biden's appearance on late night with seth meyers

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underscore immigrations central importance to the 2024 race. our panel is back with us, audie cornish, jonah goldberg, and ashley etienne. ashley. >> this >> clearly, i mean, there's a lot of pressure on biden on this issue. i was really surprised to see him doing this visit after donald trump is going, right. so he's there literally trying to set up this head-to-head clash. why? >> well, i mean, i think it's the president has to box and republicans on this issue. i mean, that's, that the pressure has to be put on republicans house republicans. >> and so i think the president's laying the foundation again going into the state of the union to box and republicans on this issue. i mean, their position, i find incredible in some respects this, it'll become continued to become untenable as we get closer to the summer because border crossings only increase as the months get warmer. so i just think that on this particular issue, the president has an advantage. my advice and would be don't move forward with any executive order at least until you position

republicans as being responsible for saying no to the bipartisan bill to close down the border, are you referring to the order that might kind of more or less shut down the border? yeah, absolutely. so my advice this is like hold off on moving forward with any executive order until he puts pressure on republicans because they need to be holding the bag on this issue. if he moves war with an io, it takes the issue off, the pressure off of them. it takes the issue off the table and now they're in a position to blame him for whatever is happening going into the summer. >> jonah, you look skeptical. >> i'm not sure completely agree with that. i mean, first of all, saying you've got to put the pressure on republicans. there's another way of saying got to take the pressure off joe biden because i think the pressure on the immigration issue has been on joe biden for the last few years. and the executive order thing is a very fraught thing because on the one hand, republicans have been saying largely wrongly, right? because saying that the president can close the border unilaterally on his own, right? if that were true, why didn't donald trump do that? he doesn't. the president actually doesn't have

the authority under law to do that. but now that he's going to close down the border unilaterally, it said the republicans to say, see, you could have done this three years ago and that changes the politics a lot on this. i think i think i think the republicans screwed up not passing the border stuff. it would be very smart. i agree with that to shift the blame to the republicans on it. but it feels like a lot of catch-up and i don't know. it's very hard to know what the persuader for all of us. >> it's catch-up, right? i mean, all people have been hearing about this for the last couple of weeks and months is like there's a bill, there's not a bill. i want something. i don't want the video of people crossing the border they have they have but they've not been seeing active solutions happen and they blame more than biden for that adriana had another question for you which is like, yes, there's pressure for republicans, but over time, does this pressure from mayors democratic mayors become a problem for him to like eric, adam needling him, or the

denver mayor or la or et cetera. does that sort of like frustrate whatever they're trying to do? >> well, the president and even the vice president had been meeting most recently with governors, mayors, and having these conversations with him. and the way that they position this issue is we sat down, we negotiated a deal with republicans on the senate side. it? was a wishlist for conservatives. we've given them everything that they want, but they keep giving us a null and return. so that's how they're going to continue to put position this. and i find that 32nd ad, right? like, how do you drill that? because i feel like an ad i'm kind of like, how do you get them to stop complaining so loudly. i'm not putting you on that conversation by saying, hey, these guys are to blame. you've given them a bill, they've said no. so now i need you to turn your ire on them, right. and so that's gonna be the pressure is like, okay, now we need to all, especially post-state of the union, right? right. because, you know, he's biden's incredibly adept at putting the republicans on on

the defensive, especially in a big platform of the state of the early last year yeah. so anyway, so i anticipate he'll do the same and then you sort of, you leverage the entirety of the party to pressure republicans to do something on this, particularly, i mean, i think the challenge, i mean that the latest nbc poll we can throw up here, the person voters day. trump is better at securing the border of 57% to 22% right? i mean that means that a lot of democrats are willing to say donald trump is better at this. >> yeah, i think at the end of the day, it's another one of these situations are biden's the victim of having a broader coalition and has more pressure from different sides on him. while trump can be clear right? it's fox and hedgehog stuff. trump can be absolutely clear. people know where trump comes down on this. and so the more the persuadable voters, which is something we always forget to talk about is like this election is going to come down to a handful of voters who don't like both biden and trump. >> the more they think the issue is immigration, the more

that helps trump. wait one more thing to your point. what if he goes to the border and says the things that he wants to do. and as next term. what if he goes to the border and says, i want to build a mass detention camp. so i want to mobilize the military to ferry you're talking about trump. if you go to the border yeah. like what if i want you to not like that wall? fell apart? yeah. but a wall like that was just a wall. what we're talking about is mass deportation mobilization of state and federal forces, possibly diverting military funds to do it. and it's and caps it off with the language of criminals. they're bad, they're tablet. what have we see the demagogue version of that? do your persuadables enjoy that split-screen. >> look like trump has a really great gift. he's like the salesman who says, sure, we're losing money on every sale, but will make up for it in volume. >> but i why? we're going to tell the story around that, or we just is he going to win on clips and images? >> well, that's the question

>> if >> the election boils down to some real lizard brain thing of strength versus weakness. i think that's much more to donald trump's advantage. i'm not a drunk guy, but i think that just does and so as you said the other night command yeah. right? and so i think the the the best thing biden can do on immigration is figure out a way to make it not an issue anymore. because if it remains an issue that people are worried about, i just think that that would argue for actually putting the executive order forward and trying to do something that this will always be an issue. i mean, you're not going yeah. i think the only way you do that as you you leave the republicans holding the bag and the question though, is whether or not biden has the capacity and capability of actually doing that, right? you're up against. >> if the complicated political move sure you got to make it. >> all right, thanks to our panel for this excellent conversation. really appreciate it. they're going to be back with us later. >> all right it is 23 minutes past the hour. here's your morning roundup. donald trump paying $392,000 to the new york

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>> all right, a live look at the white house. >> sun's coming up here in washington. good morning. i appreciate you waking up with us. i'm kasie hunt, michigan voters head to the polls and half an hour and by tonight, president biden is going to find out how much has support for israel in its war with hamas has hurt him politically in his own party. the only palestinian american in congress were shooted to leave represents the most significant arab american population in the united states has left the charge to get her community to vote uncommitted rather than for biden in the democratic primary. progressives and young voters have also been upset with biden for backing israel in the face of the mounting civilian deaths in gaza biden expressing optimism though, about a temporary ceasefire in the region by next monday and issuing a warning to israel watch israel has had the overwhelming support of the vast majority of nations. if it keeps us up without this incredibly conservative government that have, they're

going to lose support from around the world. and that is not an israel's interest. >> all right, let's bring in the democratic senator from michigan, debbie stabenow. thank you so much for being here this morning. >> good morning. it's wonderful to see you. >> michigan primary day. no better way to have you here in studio. i know >> what do you think we are going to learn tonight from the democratic primary? i mean governor whitmer has said she thinks this could be over 10,000 i was an uncommitted votes for president biden. what are you watching for? >> well, that means for backup, just to say what what are we looking for overall? the great news has been that we've had more people show up absentee ballot voting, and we now have nine days of early voting in michigan. and so over 1 million people have already voted by today, which is more than the last presidential election. so people are showing up, which is a good thing. and then we'll see what happens today on how many more people. but i think we're on track to have a really good turnout people who

are wanting to be heard with the uncommitted vote have every right to do that, you know, it's, it's so awful, so painful. we're such a wonderfully diverse state of muslim, christian jewish communities, so many different nationalities, people now are hurting who see family now, but they've lost not, maybe, not just one family member, 102030 family members, because of what is happening in gaza, the people who have family members who are hostages, people who lost, lives by hamas, barbaric attack. so there's a lot of pain we need to hear that. we need to understand that. we need to listen. it's incredibly important that the biden administration is aid to get nine when a temporary raisi's far but bring hostages home and be able to proceed to actually get real peace. and so that's important and i will also say though kasie, that having spent the last ten days all over michigan and was with the present two weeks ago where he

was running around a uaw hall and restaurants you can barely keep up with them, maybe selfie with everybody, shaken hands. it was it was a really incredible. >> but >> the truth is that we have a very diverse state that's why we got moved up early. we make, we grow things. >> i've spent a >> lot of time in ian house where folks are working construction who overtime over time over time, who the uaw strong support. and the truth is that we've had 350,000 new jobs created in michigan under joe biden, 200,000 or lost when when trump left we had lost 200,000 jobs. so there's there's a lot of really important stories to tell. >> you said, though you told my colleague, it's not helpful the push to have people vote uncommitted. why is it not helpful? >> well, i think it's i really am conflict ends. people need to be heard. they are being heard. i think they have done

important things to be heard, and i really, really respect that. i think when we look at the fall and what is at stake for michigan and the country with donald trump versus joe biden than we are going to have to work really, really hard to make sure everybody is coming together. i think that is the big challenge because when we look at this protest vote around the israel gaza issue could cost joe biden, michigan and therefore the election. i think we're >> a long ways from november, and that there's a lot of important work and listening and results. it's not just listening it's getting results. and so that's got to happen. the humanitarian assistance, i mean, the house has got to act and there's more even than that that needs to happen around that there we need to be supporting pathways to peace for everyone. i also will say that in michigan, i mean, the reality is we we have benefited by a manufacturing renaissance.

we've benefited i was in churched last week and a woman came up to and said thank the president, i now don't have to pick between food and my insulin. $35 insulin we took on the drug companies. i mean, you you can go on and on and on i'll just show the differences between trump and biden. >> do you think michigan's fundamentally a purple state now? >> i think we've always been a purple state. >> i think this >> idea that we >> weren't, first of all, was kind of shaken up in 2016 when trump merely one michigan and everybody, we kept telling people yeah, telling people we were purple state and people never really believed that. so the reality is we have been always will be. you have to work hard and earn every vote in michigan. >> what's your advice to the white house about how to win michigan? what do you have to be there? they have to show up. they are showing up. we've had a great couple of weeks in michigan. they need to continue to show so up people need to see the president. it was so fine to see they, they had a

couple of weeks ago, they had in 20 minutes stop and a restaurant and i was laughing because joe biden doesn't do anything in 20 minutes. i mean, he's going to answer the talker, going to shake hands with everybody in the restaurant, which she did selfies and so on came out energized. everybody was energized so they just need to see him. maybe they need i worked with them all the time. i think he's terrific. i have no qualms about him as press the united states, we are lucky to have them and i wouldn't just say one other thing, kasie friend of mine said one's think biden 81. okay. trump 91 91 felony indictments >> i'm trying to yes. okay. fewer is not 91 years old, but i do i do that. what you're saying senator, for folks who may not know you are you've decided to conclude your time right here in the senate, which means that there is an open senate race as well, right alyssa slotkin seems to be

leading the pack among democrats. are you supporting her >> i'm not i've never endorsed in a primary, so i'm not endorsing clearly she's ahead and fundraising and name id and all the polls and so on. but i think it's important in michigan to let a robust primary happen and we'll do that >> your fellow colleague, senator joe manchin was on this program yesterday, and i pushed him a little bit on this because he was on his way out to try. here's what he had to say about the senate race. >> these are two good people were going to see what, what elevates and what comes out of this and support the best person are you considering supporting the report line? i have no problem supporting republicans anywhere in this country that are put their country before their party that basically, i have no problem with democrats either i'm more the center here. >> you're not saying you're going to back the democrat for sure. and the michigan senate race your reaction. >> well, i backing to democratic senate race, and i will tell you that whichever

republican it is there strongly running to embrace donald trump, who has been so bad for michigan. and secondly, even in this latest alabama court case on ivf i mean, the former congress when he's talking about mike rogers has been on this side of basically defining life in a way that would take away a woman's capacity to be able to use ivf in pregnancy and don't underestimate the freedom of choice, the capacity for women in michigan to make their own healthcare decisions. we put it on the ballot in 2022. we put it in the constitution. all that goes away, all of it goes away. if donald trump gets in and has a national ban, and the republican that he's talking about would support that. and so there's going to be a lot of ways that there are differences in the fall and i'm very confident that we will hold my

seat with a democrat. a great democrat, and i'm very confident joe biden will win michigan. >> senator debbie stabenow, your spartan, i am a spartan. all right. well, i am a wolverine family. my mom did go to michigan state. i'm grateful to have you anyway as always. >> thank you very much for coming on the show. i appreciate it. >> all right. top >> leaders from both parties have been summoned by president biden to the white house, aid for ukraine is front and center. >> plus senator amy >> klobuchar joins us live here on cnn this morning. we'll get into all the dysfunction on capitol hill and much more with her coming up next how do i look >> perfect. >> good boy. >> we already young republic. >> let me do my work and some sorry >> streaming exclusively on max

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narration production, and digital distribution, color scheme again, the qr code. now >> welcome back. >> president biden meets today with the top four leaders in congress with aid to ukraine on the agenda is senate-passed bill that would provide that support is blocked in the house with republican senator mike johnson refusing to bring it to the floor for a vote. biden, hoping to change his mind, joining us now is democratic senator from minnesota, amy klobuchar center. i'm so grateful to have you here. >> thank you. casey congratulations on the new show. thank you. i seen you play softball on the opposite sides and women versus a press and i know you're gonna do are we doing it again this year? >> oh, yeah. all right. >> as the congressional team going to win. yeah. >> no, we'll see. let's start with this meeting that the president's holding because the senate has actually gotten quite a few things out the door, tough things. a bipartisan bill on the border and ukraine aid that obviously the house speaker is not moving forward forward with. we now

also are facing a partial government shutdown deadline at the end of the week. is the government can stay open. >> it you're better. and from the senate perspective, we have had overwhelming support for these appropriations bills. agriculture, veterans transportation. you're talking 80, 90 senators. you can't get that any for a volleyball resolution. so what about the point is the senate's come together. we are waiting for that white smoke to come out of the house chambers. so they make a decision, but they need to move. our economy has been rebounding back. we know there's still challenges. there always are. but the point is the last thing a small business owner are a mom just trying to afford her day care needs right now is to have a government shutdown and that is why i just know they've got to get to the right place one way or the other because no one wants to go backwards. >> so we're learning that president biden is going to go to the border this week, really underscoring the political challenges around that issue.

for him. are you glad to see that he's making that trip? and do you think that he should put an executive order in place to try to change some of these policies in the absence of congressional action. >> well, it's a good thing he's going to the border and it is good that he's looking at any alternatives because you don't need chaos at the border right now. and you know, what really bothered to me about this, again, in the senate, we had a bill and it got shut down because donald trump basically waived his little magic wand and then everyone was afraid to vote for it even though it had been negotiated. and i'm talking about republican, it had been negotiated by one of the most conservative senators and that's james lankford supported by the border union, also conservative. it would have made a difference emergency powers to the president of the united states at the border to shut it down, as well as finely doing something about fentanyl with the newest technology. they just seized enough fentanyl in my county in minnesota. the sheriff said to so every single

person in that county, all of that was in the bill. republicans stripped it out. and now trump can go down to the border and do whatever he wants. but biden actually is looking at solutions, tried to get a bill passed through congress pushed back by republicans. now looking at doing it himself. >> so critics are going to look at what the president may be planning to do with this executive order and say, well, okay, why didn't he do this three years ago? why didn't he do it? >> well, let me quote donald trump. >> always, i'm not sure. >> right back in 2018, he said. and so you have to go through congress you want to have an iron clad provision that isn't going to throw it out in court. you go through congress and that's exactly what we did with that agreement that got thrown out. now, i'm glad that 22 of our republican colleagues joined us with a 70 vote margin to vote for ukraine funding that was incredibly important given what what's going on. and despite donald trump's opposition, but they should be with us on the border

>> so again, you think that even though the president should be going through congress, you still want them to take this action. >> i think he should do whatever he can within the legal framework. they did try something this last summer that was working, but then got thrown out in court. the truth is that people have got to not stop all of this playing games at the border. they have to stop it and actually do something and get results. >> let's talk about the ivf ruling in alabama because clearly the supreme court decision there has had an incredible impact on so many women who are many of whom are in the middle of a fertility treatment cycle and have potentially lost the opportunity to go forward with that >> how >> do you view what has happened down there and what do you think needs to be done to try to protect women and that situation? >> first answer. codify roe v. wade into law a second answer to make sure that we elect joe

biden and democrats in the senate and house that will clearly say women have the right to make their own decisions about their health care and not politicians think about this they have been now for years trying to tell a woman what she should do with their body, how she can stop her pregnancy or not stop a pregnancy. and now they're trying to tell her she can't start a family eat million children have been born in just the 40 past 40 years with this procedure, 8 million kit and so these are the judges, the kind of judges that donald trump has been putting in at every level of the federal government when he was president. we don't want more of these judges women clearly, moderate republicans, independents democrats in every single election, ohio ballot measure, wisconsin supreme court, andy beshear, election in kentucky, the latest congressional election in new york, 16 point swing. the women of this country in the men that

stand with them, have made very clear that they don't want a patchwork of laws and they don't want politicians telling them what to do with their health care. >> there's been reporting that former president trump is considering supporting a 16 week abortion ban. this is something that some republicans have looked at as a potential they see it as a compromise. glenn youngkin ran on a version of this in virginia what does it tell you that president trump is considering that and what impact do you think that has on the presidential election >> first of all, i would say look at what he's done and the fact that he put in these judges that reversed roe v. wade on the us west supreme court with the dobbs decision and then i think most people can figure out what he's going to do in the future. secondly, he's still talking national abortion bans as you noted, and third, he's bringing with him all kinds of members of the us house, us senate that has strongly opposed to women mean it's right to make her own

decisions. and so all those things combined, it's very clear who's on the right side on this issue. it is joe biden >> all right. fair enough. senator, i know you're running for reelection in your home state. it's still only 2024, so i feel like i need to resist asking you if you're gonna run for president again, but i feel like the democratic presidential primary isn't that far off. >> yeah, there we go. either way. i love being in the senate. lots >> and i want to ask you about dean phillips, your your colleague who's running against president biden, unless you want to talk about it, i'm supporting joe biden and i'm proud to do that. >> all right. senator klobuchar, thank you very much >> all right. republican presidential candidate nikki haley is coming up later on on cnn news central this morning at 09:00 a.m. so don't ms that too. but more hear president biden is battling this issue of his age with voters. we know that he has been handling it by starting to joke about a little bit more. he addressed it on seth meyers show last night, watch we've got to take a look. >> the other guy he's about as old as time, but he can't remember his wife's name? yeah

>> it's about how old your ideas are. >> look, i mean, >> this is a guy wants to take us back. he wants to take his back. and roe v. wade, he wants to take his back on a whole range of issues that are 50, 60 years them is solid. american physicians all right, we're going to welcome back our panel now, audie cornish, jonah goldberg, and ashley etienne are all with us >> let's start i mean, i audio i'll just i'll just go to you. i mean, we had two pretty interesting conversations both with those senators, senator stabenow clearly wanted to say that joe biden is, has been campaigning aggressively but she also had a little bit of a warning in terms of saying that that uncommitted push for him in this primary today, are there are potential real ramifications for democrats in november >> well, i do think what you heard there was interesting because you heard empathy. we hear you, we understand you have family members, et cetera. you may have connections to the region, acknowledge we

understand that you don't totally feel like we've been on top of this. and then reality check. right? which is like but also remember the fall. what i also liked about having these two interviews back-to-back is you could hear the messaging on what is clearly the most important issues. so you heard a quip about the age thing, right? so trying to get that in there you heard a comment about the economy. also. look what he's done for you and then close your comes on right. and it's like an by the way, women. >> this is pretty effective. surrogates for the way this is what people have been asking for, like, who are your surrogates? what are they saying? like are they can they make a difference where the people out there? showing what you can do and that was just sort of a great example of what people i think are going to hear more and more of over the next couple of weeks, >> i also thought we were having conversation at the beginning of the show about the border and jonah, you i mean, you heard klobuchar basically say like do it right, fix it, which i think is the argument you were making. she kinda disagreed with you do you want

to go first? >> i mean, i think it's all strategy. right? i mean, you should he take action to protect, secure the border? absolutely. the question is when though not, should he, but it's an issue of when. and i just think you leverage the state of the union two years for advantage to really paint the picture about the inaction in fecklessness of the house and house republicans, no action to secure, protect the border, no action to support our allies at war, no action to create jobs. i mean, that's going to be the message going into the save the union. so maybe coming out of it, you take action, but in the interim, you've got to where the hell out of those republicans, jonah, what do you think? >> yeah, i just wonder, like we were talking earlier about how he wants a ceasefire in time for the state of the union. this the strategically about to use the bushes him about all of this.

>> bring it back. >> i think one of the problems that biden runs into is he looks like he's doing things for politics. and there are a lot of people on the immigration issue who legitimately thank and people can argue whether they're right or wrong. but there are a lot of people, decent people who legitimately think it is a crisis at the border. some of them lastly, because the humanitarian crisis saw him on the right thing. it's a national crisis. and you can get too clever by half by trying to figure out the political, the political timing of these things. because if people see it, it's like seeing the strings on the puppet. it's like, wait a second. you're saying this is a crisis, but you're, this is what donald trump is in trouble for saying, don't do anything on the border because i want it as the he's got a lot of grief for that. biden can show a similar sort of political calculation that i don't necessarily think helps them because the president are all politicians >> always disappoint you, write the best way to the most effective way to address this issue is through congress and through legislation. so i think that's going to be if i'm the president and i'm not playing politics, it's, i want the most effective solution to this

particular problem. the way i get there is through congress, not through executive order yeah. >> all right. so one other thing i wanted to talk about today was this new york times reporting. and it is nuanced and there's just a little bit, a little bit there, but it's about mitch mcconnell. and potential back-channel talks to get him his endorsement. and joan, i really want to dig into this with you. i mean, this is they're looking at josh holmes as a top adviser to mitch mcconnell has been for many, many years, chris lacivita, top adviser to donald trump. these are two guys that have been around this town for ages, but they have these two camps have been absolutely frozen until now. i'll according to their reporting, there are some conversations going on. do you buy that? i mean, in what world does mean mcconnell after january 6, had a hard hard break with donald trump what are the pressures that he is under right now? how do you think he's thinking about this? and what are people going to thank if he ultimately reconciles with a guy that basically led invasion of his

of his house. >> yeah. i mean, >> stories like this, that or why i can't stop cutting myself. i mean, it is so let's just quickly let's not sure. it's time is that someday this is here they're saying, but i think your point, it's far yes. him look, mcconnell, one of the reasons i've always had significant respect for mcconnell is that he's never want to be president. he he's an institutionalist. he cares about like getting the most electable republicans elected. he wants to be majority leader. he takes the senate seriously the downside of all of that is that he is a cold eye realist and so he's looking at this about what is good for my caucus, what will get senators elected? what his just being purely pragmatic about it and i said earlier, just as a side that politicians will always disappoint you. this is a perfect example of it, like john thune endorsed donald trump this week. i like john

thune a lot, but like this is what trump does do a party. >> i mean, once you become an snl and cold open, right? conceptually that you're saying something one way. jim risch got to appear on exactly. so random jury humor relies on shared understanding and knowledge. and so the idea is conceptually, we'd all get the joke. >> i'm more intrigued by how how, and why a story like this actually appears and the timing, because we're heading towards a potential government shutdown, the ukraine funding is still an issue and mcconnell has been stymied by trump's outside efforts to rally the troops in his own direction. so like, what is this about? maybe you can tell me because you've been a congressional reporter and ashley yeah. >> worked on stories like this as a congressional yeah. what is going to pressure being exerted in which direction? >> well, i mean, the question though for me, is it less about the timing of the article? and but it's, it's, it's more about you know, whether or not

mcconnell is going to your point, kasie, abandon all principal and fall in line behind donald trump when it's clear signs that the party has a lot of problems. we've seen coming out of new hampshire, south carolina that donald trump's bleeding moderates bleeding independence, that's the problem when you when you're talking razor-thin majority, razor-thin percentage of people that make the difference in these elections. so for me that's, that's what i'm really watching. it's less about the article in the timing of a bit more about where is he going to fall on this particular issue? that's going to say a lot about the future of the more precise so you can extract things when people want something from you. this is to your cool die realism so what does the trump people want, right? and what does mcconnell one, what are you willing support know? >> yeah. >> but do they want that more than having the optics on immigration? do they want that more on denying this covered trump, i think, yes. >> i think he basically was better loyal and he's like

you're going to mcconnell who you haven't spoken to, and what upwards of three years, right. this is not the open of the snl skit. mcconnell has not been hanging out. he's not been genuflecting in mar-a-lago. allah mccarthy, he has been cold. here's what they are. mcconnell's very loud animal recognizes donald trump is a loser for the party. and he's got his senate on the line, right? he could actually win the senate. so there's nothing that he wants from donald trump other than for him to go away to some degree? yeah. >> i mean, look, i think the fundamental reality than, you mentioned what we're learning from these primaries is that if you're a republican, you cannot win a primary. if you don't support donald trump. but also, we are seeing with this 40% that is going to be next to impossible to win a general election under those circumstances. all right, audie jonah ashley was a really great conversation. i'm really grateful to have all of you as part of the show. i'm also grateful to have all of you watching with us. i do really appreciate you joining us. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn news central starts right now