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in a cnn exclusive. now, let me catch everybody up for a second on who this brian butler is. he's already given testimony to federal investigators and tonight, he told kaitlan collins that back in june of 2022, so he helped trump's body man, walt nauta, deliver boxes of classified information from mar-a-lago to trump's plane. now, apparently, he had no idea what was inside of these boxes. i mean, totally oblivious according dam but wait, because there's more because apparently he wasn't just moving the boxes. is the timing of it. he was moving these boxes on the very same day that trump and his attorney were meeting with the doj at mar-a-lago about what? the classified documents you noticed that he had thought they were the boxes that were in the indictment, the white bankers boxes. that's what i remember loading. >> and did you have any idea at the time that there was

potentially us national security secrets in those box and no clue. >> no. i had no clue. i mean, we were just taking them out of the escalate, piling them up. i remember they were all stacked on top of each other and then we're lifting them up to the pilots now, if you're like me, you're wondering where all those boxes now. well, the answer might actually surprise you. we don't know. >> have no clue where those boxes are. >> but here's the thing >> about butler and that story. he's a relayed he hasn't been charged. >> but walt nauta has >> so is trump. >> and so has butler is >> very best friend and mar-lago coworker carlos de oliveira, who has been charged with lying to federal investigators. now he has pleaded not guilty, but he seems to suggest that his friend and anyone who moved those boxes this was well, they're all dirty >> and there was one time he said, you know, we're all dirty, we all move boxes and i said, well, look, i didn't even know what i was moving until i

was at the plane and that's when i remember moving both there's that distance to the ten foot pole while butler may be talking but lawyer for former president and a lawyer for nauta both declined to comment to cnn and asked for his best friend, carlos de oliveira. well, his attorney said in part in a statement and i'm quoting here. we look forward to hearing more about mr. butler's version of events when he is under oath and we declined to try this case in the media. i'm wondering how special counsel jack smith, because while the interview, i bet you are to, but don't hold your breath because here's a spoiler alert. their office spokesman has also declined to comment but you know what, here's my question. i will be the first to admit to you tonight that i am always skeptical. there's not a therapist couch here to unpack just why i'm always got to live with the question is tonight why now? why is brian butler speaking out now while he says it's all about the election do

you believe that this trial should happen before the election? >> i mean, i think the american people have the right to know the facts that this is not a witch hunt you think it's a fair investigation? >> absolutely. i mean to me, you have the law and order president attacking agents, the special counsel on an almost a daily basis. when these people are just taking their sworn sworn oath >> not a witch-hunt, right to know, and a fair investigation. did they let saving time propel us onto a time warp tonight was wondering me now, tim parlatore, he's a former at donald trump attorney who represented him during much of the mar-a-lago classified documents case so i'm really glad you're here today. i got i start by asking this question i am nosy, so i do love to hear the information the prosecutor in me would probably be screaming and every part of the interview thinking why on earth are you speaking right now? it's got to match up for me

later on. if you do testify, why do you think he is coming to talk now? >> i have no idea. that was one of the first things i was thinking is what makes a witness like that out above self go go out there and start talking about this stuff. when the trial is supposedly up, company just doesn't make any sense to me but as a lawyer, i look at it and i say, okay, well, that right there is that's a huge line across and plus, you may want to trump's lawyers have been him. >> yeah. absolutely. i mean, it goes to it goes to his credibility. it goes to his bias is definitely something new. they will get into you know, i wonder, i think part of his reasoning is he thinks will be outed eventually anyway, with the witness list may be coming public by this, judge. but i had the same level of skepticism as to the why and wondered it was a great interview done by our colleague. but i wondered what would be the consequences of that. and thinking about grand juries and thinking about tests it's demonia and how easily it could be to say, well, hold on.

you said it was yellow today. you called it. i don't know. taupe tomorrow, which when you were lying about, it does get that specific as you well know. but let me ask you about this because what he's substantively is really important here he says that he helped walt nauta load boxes onto trump's plane. the same today, the fbi agents and of course, investigators were coming to search for classified documents that is, if entirely true, stunning. and really helpful for the prosecution. >> and at the same time, not knows, it's something that's been public for now, multiple years yeah. that was something that the boxes were moved. the boxes were moved and they were loaded onto an aircraft. i mean, that's something that it's been out there was reported a couple of years ago and it was the subject of some litigation because when it was public the reported that's why i had to send a team to go search bedminster after that. as a result of that and so in a

way, having somebody that comes in and testifies live and goes on cnn to talk about it, is helpful, but before today, we already knew that the head of video of it >> so some video of discussions about movement and there were something that we didn't necessarily hear from the prosecution's mouth, but we've heard from somebody as an eyewitness, sanjay, although he says can you really it was oblivious, had no idea. it was inside following orders. i suppose moved box. i'm moving box really. >> but you did hear from >> his i guess now, former best friend, crossville avera, who is a co-defendant in this case, that we're all dirty, basically, anyone moving boxes were all dirty. he's not charged with any crime though i mean, i think that that's probably carlos speaking a little in artfully, that if there were documents like that in the boxes end to >> be clear, neither one of them looked in, so neither one of them know what was in those boxes? for somebody who said, well, we all we all touch them. were all dirty. we're all in this together. i think that's

probably what he was talking about, but i mean, what if consciousness of guilt though, right? think about if you say to me, yeah, we move boxes. okay. yeah. so as opposed to yeah, we we all did this. >> we're all in on it >> i suggest something to you. >> it could be a goal to could suggest that they just really don't understand how this process works. if they don't know what they're moving you know, that it's certainly something to be scared of, something that you want to have a lawyer. you have to protect you on. maybe have a lawyer that's not going to tell you to go on tv and talk about it before you're going to be testifying in a case but yeah. i mean, one question i have is, you brought it up earlier. where did the boxes go? well, what happened to the boxes? we have inventories of where, how many boxes were taken from the white house down to mar-a-lago. we have all these photos of them and on the stage in the bathroom and the closet and some boxes supposedly go up to bedminster. we searched bedminster. there was no boxes there and yet, you would think

that it'd be in the indictment of an actual number this many boxes went down. this many boxes were recovered. this many boxes are still missing well, that discrepancy? yes. i would love to have that pure and full accounting. but if there was something nefarious occurring or you were trying to deliberately be secretive and move things from point a to point b, then i would assume i would not have the full accounting. you would have been successful in your endeavor to try to try to evade that level of scrutiny, don't you think in moving and putting them into different boxes, know if i put a box on a plane and it's going someplace and it could've easily at that point, but out-of-sight gone to a different location, moved by car, some place else. i mean, there is a real disadvantage from the prosecution standpoint, which i know that dispensable capitalize on not having met accountant but it would make sense. i would suggest to a jury that will if i'm if you're trying to hide boxes, why would i know we're all of them are that would be

but i'm saying the investigators should have that if the investing if the let's say that they know okay. there and i'm going to make this number up. there are 60 boxes that leave the white house and go down. >> we >> have recovered 15 boxes, went back to narrow. we recovered another 30 boxes. this is how many are missing? that's not about the defendants. that's about doj, the fbi, doing basic math of this. many boxes went out, this many boxes are remaining. how many missing boxes are there? >> yes. and the surveillance tapes are gonna be really important for that, right? try to corroborate that there is discussion know about them having some trying to erase potentially tapes as well that could disadvantage. but let me ask you just more broadly. >> the fact that >> he has a separate attorney and i know we've talked about perhaps the skepticism in which one advisers to do interviews or even testified any respect, frankly, if you have the option wasn't at that he does not have an attorney that is part

of the trump camp, and it has been one of the people to evade any prosecutions honestly, it doesn't really mean much to me because i was there at the time when people were hiring attorneys and >> they were asking for recommendations and look, of course, we're going to recommend attorneys that are people that we can work with okay. let me in what meaning the people that we can communicate with and we can sign a joint defense agreement that we can if if they're being interviewed, that they would be willing to come back and tell us what they were interviewed about, things like that, attorneys, he can coordinate with okay and let me tell you a lot of the attorneys that were hired by the pack for people were not really necessarily people that we're all driving their clients to do everything loyal to trump. these attorneys were doing what they believed independently was important for their clients. so it's i know

that, you know, people try to make it out like there's an aura of all these trump aligned attorneys that's not the reality of what was going on at the time, at least not what i saw and so the fact that he had a separate attorney really really what that says to me is he wanted to pay him himself because he could have even brought that attorney and said, hey, would the pack just cover that fee? >> and why do you think someone would want to i mean, i'm may he born not raising their hand to pay legal fees? what do you think he wanted to pay it himself? are you talking about pure pride or actually strategy? yeah. i don't know. i don't know. i think it could be it could be that it could be something where he wanted to separate himself and you know move off in a different directions so he didn't want to have any ties? yeah, certainly some people would think that there may be some form of loyalty association, but look, people attorneys have an ethical obligation to their

clients, right? no matter who's paying the fee no matter who referred the client to them. and so if the client is saying yeah, i know the pac is paying you, but i want to go cooperate with jack smith the attorney is going to do it >> point well-taken. of course, for the audience to know a joint defense agreement is not novel to this particular action and mattered often happens i'm chuckling all co-defendant cases for that very reason. tim parlatore. thank you so much for engaging with me tonight. now i want to turn to cnn, senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. andrew nice to see you. i think i see you all the time now. i wonder what the connection could possibly be, but listen, let me ask you about this because butler ed that he and walt nauta, who was the so-called body man of trump and a codefendant. now loaded ten to 15 boxes, approximately onto trump's plane. >> but the question i >> have is okay, now they're in the friendly skies. what happened to the boxes? how does law enforcement track that to our colleague, tim parlatore is

point well, that's a great question and we don't know the answer to that despite the fact that the special counsel's office spent months and months >> doggedly pursuing mr. trump and his attorneys and trying to get a legitimate search of those properties. i'm not sure why they didn't pursue a search warrant. maybe they could have had witness like mr. butler onboard at the time but nevertheless laura is, you know, it's not incumbent upon the government to come up with a un evidence inventory documenting where every single one of the boxes that they've already alleged and the grand jury has agreed with the subject of obstruction of justice. so i'm a little bit some of mr. parlatore's comments. i found a little bit odd that there would be some sort of suggestion that the government hadn't done its job because they were unable to find the boxes that mr. trump and his employees actively hid

from the government and from his own attorneys, apparently. but yes, we don't know where those documents went after they were loaded onto the plane and flown to bedminster. and i'm quite sure that people in the intelligence community would greatly like to find the answer that question and that goes to the heart of what a jury would have to consider, right. the inferences to be drawn the idea of what the motivation was, the state of mind and beyond that's all going to be part of the left and it's a heavy one, frankly, i mean, no prosecutor patients easy. andrew, but it's part of the lift for proving one's burden beyond a reasonable doubt in a case like that, to answer those kinds of questions or to put it on the defense, possibly to suggest if they bring their own defense in case up on that very point. but there's also zero point that butler he tells a story about an australian billionaire named anthony pratt, telling his chief of staff, apparently that about classified nuclear submarine secrets. while by the way, he was driving them in his car.

>> listen to this i believe it was april of 2021 there was a member, anthony pratt, who he was coming, he he flew in the night before. >> he's an australian billionaire >> if he finishes his meeting with the former president, gets in the car and his chief-of-staff says, how did the meeting go? >> pratt >> without saying just says he told me and it would be us military classified information of what he told them about russian submarines in us submarines and that's really all i remember hearing and i went, what >> first of all, note to self, everyone, the uber drivers can hear you speaking. so there's that point. now, seriously on our everyday gossip fast that people may have in the back of a car how dangerous is this kind of dissemination because you're talking about i mean, nuclear submarine secrets

>> zhao. well it goes cuts to the heart of some of the most sensitive national defense information, which of course is what mr. trump has been accused of of illegally retaining. but let's talk for a second about the value of brian butler is a witness. we've been we've been talking a lot today about his comments about participating in loading those boxes on the plane, and that is certainly great testimony to prosecutors will enjoy putting that in front of a jury, but this episode is really key because in all likelihood, the government didn't even know about this australian billionaire until brian butler told them about him because he's relating a conversation that only three people were aware of himself the billionaire and the billionaires chief of staff. >> so it's unlikely that >> those two step forward to tell the government what they had heard from mr. trump or from the billionaire. so butler

has already provided the government with another key witness to donald trump's alleged inappropriate irresponsible, and quite possibly illegal handling of national defense information. >> a really important point in eyewitness and ear-witness invaluable to prosecution, which is why i'm sure you can imagine from now until he may testify in a trial, it might be open season on his credibility, right? >> it will be an absolutely will be. and i think he said a few things in that interview that i thought were really concerning and that will definitely open up avenues of attack for him. he made comments about his thoughts that he didn't believe that donald trump should be president. again, all those sorts of comments will provoke attacks that he is politically bias, that he has created these stories because he has a political agenda, not because he actually heard conversations. so it's definitely going to be a tough few months for him so we'll just have to see how that goes.

>> well, say what happens. andrew mccabe. thank you. >> thanks, laura >> i want to bring in donald trump's former lawyer, michael cohen. he is also a principal of crisis x. >> host >> of podcast mea culpa and political beatdown. and the new york times bestselling author of revenge, how donald trump weaponized the us department of justice against his critics. michael, thank you so much for being here this evening is some huge news out from that exclusive interview with the employee from mar-a-lago with kaitlan collins i have to ask you because more than anyone likely, you know what it's like to be on the receiving end of trump's anger so what do you expect? what happened next to brian butler now that he has come forward and this very public way >> well, donald is going to do what donald always does. he's going to deflect. he's going to denigrate and he's going to distance himself. he's going to claim that obviously brian

butler is live eyeing that he never told them to do anything that the guy never did anything. he's going to try to damage his credibility so that bryan butler's comments or testimony cannot be used against him in a court of law my concern as a lawyer watching it, i thought to myself, gosh, i wonder what his counsels goal was here. he said he wanted to get the truth out before the election. but also part of the conversation is i wonder if he was in some way trying to protect his client by ensuring that he was public and that the credibility test would not come. but let me ask you this because he does not have trump's same attorney and multiple times apparently he was offered a trump attorney, but he wanted his own unlike by the way, carlos olivera and i want you to listen for a second. michael to butler, talk about a phone call between trump and de oliveira about that very point

>> his phone rings and it's the former president he takes the call where we're standing in the food court. i think we went to sit down and he i can't remember how long the conversation was, but i know at the end of the conversation when they hung up, carlo said he's gonna get me an attorney >> if trump gives you an attorney, what does that signal to you >> what it signals is like a mob boss that he owns you and good. brian butler for at least learning enough from my various appearances on your show and others, where bob costello tried to do the same thing via rudy giuliani, what they want to do is they want to keep control of you to make sure that you stay in the camp, that you continue with the trump message that you stay on, that message in that you don't step over the line. you see donald knows that he's kind of cooked something. it goes back to august of 2022. i was on this

show and other shows and i was talking about these documents right after the mar-a-lago raid. all right. and i said that donald trump knew every single document that was in those boxes and he knows the problem homes that those documents can bring to him. so if he can control, now, brian butler, as he does with many of the others. well that ignores only to whose benefit to donalds benefit. and at least brian butler was smart enough to know that donald will throw anyone under the bus in order to detect himself >> yeah, i do wonder just the logistics here, but he has described himself a kind of an unwitting cup, totally oblivious to what he was moving when and where he has not been charged talking about butler unlike his colleagues, some of them. >> is do you believe the >> idea that he would have been oblivious to what he was doing with the un orders have come down to someone or just to say, i want you to do x, y, and z. and there would not be someone

to ask why and what's in it is that believable to you? >> yeah, very much so. you see it's very difficult to ask donald when he gives you a task about anything. so if donalds task to a guy who is running the cars over at mar-a-lago put those white boxes onto the plane as i'm heading to bedminster that's all that brian is going to do. he's not going to ask. well, can i ask you what's in them? it's nobody's business. the boss is telling you what to do. you do it again something that i said in august of 2022 we need to actually go back. and if the fbi wants to properly do this investigation, they need to track every single place that donald had been since leaving the white house. and i said on this show and others again, i've said that they need to check ivanka's house. they need to check don junior's house. eric's house, donalds

apartment. they need to check bedminster every single place that donald went because i assure you there are still documents there and donald took those documents for a reason whether it's a get-out-of-jail-free card or in order to use it against this government. because when he ultimately loses, he will say that the government heard him. so now he's going to hurt the united states of america i would say, well, how do we not know there have been subpoenas just looking at what happened at mar he was very vocal when somebody tried to. he called it a raid of his home, but taking of jail specifically while i have you the former trump adviser, peter navarro, has to report to a federal prison next tuesday. he has a four month sentence for his contempt of congress conviction. what's your reaction to that? >> well, listen, peter, like everybody else is finally, finally going to be held

accountable for his actions. you didn't show up for a subpoena well, this is the consequence of everybody that is around donald trump. there's that expression. >> anything >> donald trump touches dies. and peter navarro is going to get a really ugly, rude awakening when he has to go to the institution that he's going to be assigned to in miami. they're going to strip them out. they're going to put him in with everybody and it's an uncomfortable it's an uncomfortable place and rest assured. i'm telling you that from firsthand experience, what a cost to be in the trump orbit and in those roles, it seems in the very end. meanwhile, trump is trying to delay the new york so-called hush money trial, a case that you are actually a part of so the supreme court weighs in on presidential immunity, which is odd because that case is about conduct while in office, the hush money contention seem to be predating that, but what do you make of this last minute ditch effort

to try to delay yet again? >> is it again right out of the donald j. trump playbook, delay, delay, delay. do everything that she can. but judge merchan is not playing this game. and my understanding is that he admonished trump for these ongoing late motions in order to delay the case, which again, meshawn has stated this case is starting on march 20, come hell or high water. well, it's going to start on march 20, period end of story. and i'll tell you they were supposed to have all motions in going back into february. they did not. >> well >> moore shan is not playing this. he's a very much by the book, judge, and it's something that trump doesn't like. he doesn't like to be told what to do well, i news forum, he may have to figure out was like when the judges

lisa these least in the state court actions in particular tell him otherwise, michael >> cohen, i don't envy the role that you are in and having to testify and speak in these matters. but thank you so much for doing so. >> it's good to see you and i don't do anything myself either with this >> good to see you too. thank you, michael up next trump employee number five says he's speaking out because he wants to truth to get out before november. and what's in november again? i yes. >> the election so how all the play-out, the 2024 race will talk about it next >> erin burnett, outfront borrowing seven on cnn >> the rise

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about employee number five, but that's only one of the classified documents probes that we're looking at as a nation the other one involved president biden and special counsel robert hur will be on the hill tomorrow testifying about why he chose not to prosecute him. undoubtedly, it will be a comparison for the ages i want to bring in political commentator for cnn and democratic strategist maria cardona, while a former congressman and director at mission to monocracy, joe walsh so first one being with you here on that joe congress is going to hear testimony from robert hur. he'll be a private citizen, not the muzzle of adh, a dj employ any longer tomorrow. but they're going to try to draw comparisons. i'm sure about the mar-a-lago case. and this one, will they succeed successfully? it's >> going to be i think laura, the battle between two narratives republicans are going to spend all their time focusing on what her said about biden having been an old man and a sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory >> and they're going to say every one of those words about

1,000 times tomorrow, democrats will emphasize the fact that hur also said he didn't process qutum and what trump did was 1,000 times worse, it's going to be the battle of narratives. >> well, it's going to be more than that because her, if he's going to do everything that you just said he's going to look ridiculous. he's going to lose credibility and frankly, if i were him, i would cancel it because on the issue of biden being old, did he watch the state of the union? public and saying that he's old. now know the only thing that they're saying about that speeches, it was too political. why? >> because joe >> biden knocked it out of the park, completely blew expectations out of the water. he was energetic. he was focused on what he's going to do forward-looking all of it. and so for tomorrow pro for her to try to go back to that, he's just going to seem small and petty. >> well, i think it's going to work for you're right. i don't i think republicans will drag him back to that because everything you said is right

about the state of the union. but republicans are still convinced this is red meat against biden. well, you know what? bring it on, and then on the substance of it, you're right. >> compared to >> what's going on in mar a-lago, there is no comparison here. it's going to hurt republicans is going to hurt trump. well, you know, brian butler >> said that he wanted the truth out before the election. i have to wonder how, to what extent it really matters to voters. will it make a difference? >> i don't think it does, laura, i think most voters, this whole they all do it biden, did it pence, did it, trump, did it maybe a little worse outside of the partisans? i just think it's a big wash, which is unfortunate because what trump did is unlike what anybody else did, he obstruct did it, he tried to hide it and cover it up. >> well, i actually think within dependence, it's going to add to the whole criminality cloud over donald trump which democrats and the biden campaign are going to continue to use that massive contrast which is how biden won in 2020. and there's so much more

material in that bucket to use for november, but they will go in the rearview mirror a lot. they're going to talk about i'm sure aspects of prior issues like january 6 as well. and by the way, house republicans believes two new report today that does credits when cassidy hutchinson trying to remember shade that infamous testimony now about how a driver told her that president biden reached over and tried to grab the wheel to take him to the capitol. they are accusing the committee, the january 6 committee of withholding the testimony of the driver of that suv, who apparently undercuts that testimony from cassidy hutchinson. what do you make of that effort by the republicans? >> i think it shows what least, what democrats will say. it shows they're desperation. it shows that they are worried that this is going to have a huge impact going into the election because they know that donald trump, his base. no one will convince his base otherwise. but where he needs to win is where he is most week, which is what actually they showed during the

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that's right it's time to love soda again >> i'm kaitlan polantz in washington, and this is cnn the end of lacp is ramping up the pressure on florida universities over the state's anti-diversity, equity and inclusion >> policies. it's urging black student athlete's to ditch attending and playing for predominantly white colleges in florida the end of lacp is specifically calling out florida's governor ron i'm desantis, who signed the law last year banning public universities from spending federal or state funds on dei, initiatives. and earlier this year, the university of florida closed its dei office to comply with the changes. the end of lacp writing this in their call to boycott, quote, if any institution is to reap the benefits of black talent is only right that they completely invest in black futures. and up lacp president derrick johnson joins me. now. >> president >> johnson, thank you so much for joining us this evening.

you are calling out these universities for using black athletes. you save for the success of the school, but then not looking out for their success as students. and obviously human beings why do you think that a boycott is the answer? >> we're caught the attention to students athletes who generate a lot of profits for programs like the university of florida to reconsider their decision, whether they're current student a student is considering playing football, basketball, any other sport, go to schools that respect your human cells, go to schools that will prepare are you for global economy? go to school. there is, that will respect you and not just six point you for sports where they make billions of dollars of your talent, but yet don't want to invest in your ability to learn, become a critical thinker >> the power dynamic is obvious and one that many have criticized for frankly decades i wonder also though, for some, it might be a luxury to have

the option of doing so. some of these opportunities are, can be life changing are you worried that this could hurt some of the students success long term? where is the cost benefit analysis such that it's appropriate to do what you're asking for these top tier university, they have many options, many schools across the country, they have not taken the step that we've seen the veracity of florida tech or the state of florida. so it's not a don't go to school at all or are you going to lose an opportunity? is saying they go to school that we respect. you got to school. there will prepare. you got a school that won't just explain to allow you to understand the contributions of your cumulative, the contribution that you can make. and to broaden your ability to be a part of this democracy right now, you are focusing on florida, as you know, it's not just florida. you've got dei legislation or anti-dei legislation that's popping up in places like texas and utah, north dakota, tennessee, north carolina. do you plan to encourage student athletes to do this in those states as

well? >> any school that take the steps that university of florida have taken. black athletes should reconsider their decision to attend those schools. are there are many schools across the country that i have not taken these steps. there are many states across the country that have not taken these steps. so there are options. there are many afternoon hbcus, for example, i love what happened with jackson state, deion sanders tenure, and many other schools like jackson state or alabama a&m, their options here. so we're not saying don't get an education, we're not saying now share your talents. were saying respect yourself, but don't let anyone else disrespect you. but the nine ability for you to learn the contributions from your community. >> i'm glad you mentioned hbcu's because there is one public hbcu in florida fam you what kind of message do you think are what people think about when it comes to the hbcus, is that not part of the discussion here? >> i'm hbcu graduate. i would

prefer any suit, nothing to go to hbcus. so those programs can grow just like a university of florida or florida state using black athletes to generate billions of dollars. i would recommend that a student athlete choose wisely go to school there it's going to respect you choose it's why we go to school has gone to allow you to understand the contribution that your community have made, choose wisely because d is the reality of the future, we can no longer go back to 1950. we are looking at a global economy and we must be competitive tara johnson choose wisely. thank you so much. >> thank you >> a major scare on a latam or let am flight excuse me, over what passengers are calling a mid air drop? dozens of people were injured will explain what happened. >> next what happened to the

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various individuals at the top of the plane just stuck to the roof and then they fell to the floor >> the airline calling it a technical event, joining me now, cnn safety analyst and former faa safety inspector, david soucie. david, thank you so much for being here. i mean, look, i fly a lot. many people do this terrifying and think about the frequency in which we're hearing about these incidents what do you know about this one that passengers are describing as a terrifying drop? >> well, i'll tell you it's very vague what they're saying. there was a technical event. well, that ranges from anything to anything. so we don't have a whole lot of information yet. but what was described just then is a mid-air turbulence or possible that there was some mechanical movement of the controls who was in control? we don't know. i don't know now if it was from whether or whether it was anything else but had it been a mechanical

failure, they would have called it a mechanical failure and they would have turned around and gone back or they would have gone to a maintenance base, but that's not what they did. they said it was a technical event. so i just wish we had more information right now as to what happened here. >> how did we get more with the plane's black boxes, for example, reveal something to us. >> well, they might, they might, but because of where it was, where it was, it's not in the united states right now. so i'm going to reach out to boeing again. i know with boeing's investigating this as well, but we'll have to see what happened. it was not what's considered an accident it was an incident. so therefore, the ntsb, the faa is not necessarily going to investigate it. although there were injuries. so because there were injuries, the faa certainly will look into what happened here and give us a report back, but i wouldn't expect that within maybe a week or so. >> wow. i mean, let's this is part of a string of safety problems for boeing and it continues learning tonight that a united airlines san francisco bound flight was rerouted from sydney for an emergency landing

due to what they're calling a maintenance issue. that means back-to-back scares last week involving a boeing flight, a tire falling off a flight after takeoff an engine catching fire mid-flight. what is happening at boeing >> well, it's really hard to tell right now, but one of the things that we need to consider when we talk about bullying is what these incidents are, is the fact that there's twice as many boeing airplanes in the air as there are. airbus is in the air. >> so if >> you think about all of the events that go together, if you don't take them individually and start understanding whether it was actually caused by a engineering issue at boeing or was it caused by human failure? was it caused by an airline because we look at this and focus on this investigation, we get this conclusion bias when we start thinking about, well, it was a boeing airplane, so therefore it had to do with boeing manufacturing. but i caution against that because right now there's nothing that says that engineering is

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