khan death. would make this term is so excited and every year, yeah, i loved the narrative, looking at those, those stories and also the players always sound believable. >> i told you >> this, other than leopards, it's a second best sporting event for been involved in my life. that's amazing. yeah. well, let's his albert hasn't been to very many national championships on the football side, right? >> well, you all not going into more thank you. coe saving. thank you for retired yoda greatest coach ever. thank you for retired should've came to the party we had down at all it's amazing. everyone loves it now that he's left us charles barkley, great to have you on. i know you're shows coming up. you interviewed oprah and i cannot wait to watch. >> it's a great, it's going to be fine. >> all right, good. well, good luck. i know you got a little look to this thing. whatever it is >> it's going to be a gun bracket. charles barkley. thank you >> and we will be reaching >> out to coach saban for comment. i'll never mark. thank you all so much for joining us tonight. that full interview with oprah moments away, king charles starts now

hey, mr. barack no walk in >> the cnn studios in new york city it's king jong un not going to waste your time no with gayle king >> yards, but you can call me gail and charles barkley >> i told her shoot out here. >> the one and only oprah winfrey nba commissioner adam silver a grammy-winning artists. will john king, charles starts now we're going welcome, welcome. >> we have an absolutely tax showed tonight. i'm very excited. first, i want you all to know it's the first day of spring, charles, i can tell >> you're right because i >> wore yellow. that's right. yellows, my favorite colors. so springtime and the students from a company called favorite daughter and so they didn't have my size, so they overnight

it did to me. i said i really need it because i want to wear it for king charles. and they sent me a thing and said, oh, my god, you're interviewing king charles. i hear that he's ill. >> i >> hope he's gonna be all right. >> and i said, i'm fine. i'm fine. can you i said no, not that king charles charles barkley. they go oh, we think he's it's great to so chose, you're okay, right >> hey, if you talk to king charles, that's my can we put kate some real pictures out >> like can you let people know you're fine. i'm fine. >> her son has happened to me no, no, no, it's charles barkley. anyway, march madness is here. the nba playoffs. basketball's my favorite sport are barreling toward us. basketballs booming right now. we're very excited because we have nba commissioner. he is one of the best human beings on the planet. what's his name? charles adam silver talking about adam, he is an amazing person, really great commissioner ease. all for that. he's in the building tonight and super producer and grammy-winning artist little john. yeah, you know him >> okay. okay.

>> they're just calling the king of kroenke, but now guess what he's got a meditation album out. he's going to tell us the story behind that is quite a story, but first really, really psyched about this fresh offer abc special was called shame blame and the weight-loss revolution. we cannot wait to bring in our first guess. we know her very well. oprah, there's only one as in winfrey. and in case you missed it, this monday night, here's a very quick clip were you all surprised in your practices when people started losing weight? >> yeah. i mean, i think we have we've already been using other medications for the last 1020 years, but these were just a little bit more effective and we hadn't seen a 1028 is for diabetes, for, for obesity we went when was the you know, i think >> i go to the clean nobody told me doing this for 20

years, 18 or wasn't mainstream that we didn't have tiktok that was our problem we are very happy to say that oprah is joining us tonight. hey, oprah really glad you're here. hello >> hey, gail hey. hey baby >> oprah. i just want to say this i just wanted to thank you for the special because i started again the hundred pounds this so many different ways to lose weight. there's no shoe size that fits all. but i gain 105 pounds when i got my hips and a friend of mine says, you man, i want you to go to this dr. because i can't eat less and workout enough to lose 100 pounds and he says, try this drug. and i started taking mounjaro and i've lost 65 pounds i started my journey at 355 pounds. i played it 250 and i started taking on gyro and i've lost i'm down to 285 and

let me tell you something. i couldn't work out enough. i just want to say thank you for shanon the light i think what you did was fabulous. and shout out to my dr. dr. jackie pearson, i want to get a peop periods and dr. jackie. but man, i just want to thank you for shining a light on some business. everybody can't be skinny everybody can't work out enough. >> everybody doesn't want to be skidding? >> yes. exactly. right. everybody doesn't want to be skinny, but the reason why i'm so excited to have you, because everywhere i go, people are stopping me saying i'm so glad overdo this special. listen, i know you thought long and hard about doing it. so now that it's been a couple of days out, i'm wondering the reaction you're getting and how you're feeling about it. >> well, my most greatest reward thank you for saying that charles, the greatest reward has come from people like charles and actually a young man who let me know that he started tearing up watching that special from the very

beginning, it's interesting to me because being a woman all these years and having suffered myself up and down yo-yoing, i never think about the men because i always thought men were treated differently. charles, i always thought, if you're overweight and your guy, if you're 100 pounds overweight and your guy, you're not going to be ostracized in the same way that me being overweight or women being over we're wait, 100 pounds, 105 pounds. and so i think to hear from so many men who also feel a sense of freedom and liberation to now make a choice that they feel is healthier for them has been the most rewarding for me, for me, you know, i was debating whether to do it or not because, you know, you get role for everything and everybody has something to say about it. >> but >> the risks the benefit of people finally, recognizing that obesity is a disease, far outweigh to me any criticism that i receive for doing it. and also, people no longer blaming themselves for

something that you cannot control in your brain when the dr. said on that show that it's like holding your breath underwater and trying not to rise to me. that is the greatest metaphor because all these years i realized that's what i've been doing. you go on the diet, you're trying not to rise and then you rise again and you can't even understand why. and before you no, it you're ten pounds, 20 pounds, 30 pounds, and all of us have done this, who have this as an issue done this, you have your limit yeah. yeah. i have my limit. i'm not going to go over a certain number. then you go over that number, then you say i'm not going to go over five pounds over that. and to know that you're always going to go back. because if you have propensity for it, if you carry the marker for it, that's what's going to happen in your body. and somebody else's body, it may be different the one thing i wanted that's what i think is so important that i think for a lot of people, they didn't realize it. it's a thing with the brain. >> i pulled some of the comments. i'm a smart person. why can't i figure this out?

somebody said, we've been blame this whole time for being lazy gluttonous, and on discipline, it wasn't our stomach, it was our brain. i got the wake-up call. i need it and i think that you should talk about that. you've made the show, the analogy to alcoholism in the spectrum of what it is that to me >> yeah. >> well, years ago, as you know, gil and the oprah show in the late 80s, early 90s, we were doing a lot of shows about alcoholism and people were saying, then the same thing, they're saying now, just put the food down. they were saying just put the bottle down because nobody understood that for some people not everybody who drinks are over drinks becomes an alcoholic. but if you carry the marker or the gene that has that allows alcoholism to flourish with you. you, you, you then develop alcoholism, not everybody who over drinks because i can drink. you're under the table. and not and not now >> she's >> not lying i can i think

caitlin anyone? yes. >> i can. now, tequila almost anybody and it's not an issue for me, but i can't if i'm doing the same thing with donuts or fatty things i up until this christmas every christmas of my life against seven to eight pounds. and so to be able to have people understand. so i had three goals. number one, people understand obesity is a disease ease, and so stop blaming yourself for something that's in your brain. stop shaming yourself and other people for that. and also to explain what the drug's action we do. so i want to say this because we taped an hour and 14 minutes extra and had to cut that out. and so it was really important for me for people to understand all the people who are saying that people like myself. and you charles, are taking this medicine from other people. we are not because there are there are zepbound there's mounjaro, there's with goldie, there's

ozempic. so both companies that we had on produce a medications that are just for obesity. and the reason why obesity and there'll be city drug and the diabetes drug are called something different is because your insurance pays it's for the diabetes drugs. if you have diabetes, it does not pay for the weight version of that drug. so nobody's taking drugs away from anybody else or medications way from anybody else because there is specifically an obesity medication but first of all, over oprah, i just wanted to say, you know, already love you. i love you more because we can go out and drink tequila. tequila anytime i go out with this woman, she don't even drink. no fun was over let's now listen that last big party we were at, i swear she asked for shirley temple feature to put a cherry and that. i mean, it has no qualms about it. no.

>> i don't listen. >> we were at tina turner's wedding and she milk. okay okay. >> because i like milk with my cake. but charles, you were saying no to talk though. i want to talk about, you know, what dr. yes told me she says chuck, no fellow people. yeah >> and she says, if you don't get in shape, he says, there that's fed older people, but they got a lot of health risks and things like that and i says i'm at the time when i started, i was like 60 years old. i since i can't lose 100 pounds system unless i star myself to delve and don't do anything. and i see a friend of mine be dark and had lost a bunch of weight as do what happened. he says, i'm taking mounjaro and i went dr. pearson did all the vitals and want to make sure because you neat

that. we don't want and i tell people, you just don't want to just go to any which doctrine start taking stuff. they did all the vitals check my heart and check my blood and makes sure everything was good. >> you hesitant to take it >> no. because i know i want to be here >> i don't know what charles was telling us in high school. he was known as effect that kid in high school is email, by the way, is fat. i hate that. that's his email. that's a whole another issue. there's email as fat whatever whatever i want that is, email gayle know about as you know, i didn't i just said it's back you don't know what the rest of it is. i'm just saying i don't like that >> we've got a good job you get my email. i don't know. so telophase charles, let's get back to you because i'm thinking that here you sit today you've taken the drug. i was wondering if you struggle with it your whole life. i was curious about that. and if you felt self-conscious about your weight, because when we see you, you're charles barkley,

your full of confidence gil? >> yeah. >> don't get over, you know what i'm no she felt for me the same things. i'm not going speak for all big people and you can say, i'm not worried about my weight. i'm good. i'm good looking. i'm this. i don't ever want to fat shame anybody because it's a personal decision. what you do with your body, but it's not healthy is not healthy when i was walking around at 355 pounds and then when like when i lost the first 30 pounds, i'm like, whoa my bag don't hurt, my knees, don't hurt. i can actually because i actually i had to call it clearly had to start working out and i'm like menn, i can work out, but i tell anybody, hey, listen, we all got to make our own personal decision for being overweight is not healthy. it's not healthy for you. >> but as you sit here today, you said you have trouble

getting the drug over when you said people can get it, you said your dog >> well, can't get it. >> can't get it because i've ashley, did you say your name? let's charles bar. i did >> a lot of people here live today all on the drug. they just don't want admit it. i know shame and taking drugs. it had taken me help you lose weight, you do it so i got down. i was 285. i started at 03:55 i've actually gained 12 pounds back because i haven't had mounjaro and like four months. wow, i'm working out, but gain a pounds like the same as gain and 60 gray. so i'm hoping at some point that i can get back on the drug because i want to get to to 70. i played in my heyday at 02:50. i want to get to to 70. my darker, we'd like this a good, healthy weight for you. i don't have to worry. hopefully, you know, because you know, you got a lot of stuff going on in your body that obesity is not good for like i said, i want i don't care what it takes. i don't hold grudges. can anybody you know, i've had people got the stomach staple. they've did the

bear acting thing and there's a lot of different ways like we talked about earlier. hey, everybody on where the same size shoes you whatever makes you feel better. >> that's what i liked. what you said at the end of this special oprah, listen, it isn't one size it's fits all you have to figure out what works best for you and we need to stop blaming and criticizing and judging each other. i thought that was a point you were making >> i think if you feel like being in a bigger body is great and you don't want to do anything about that and you feel fine. that is beautiful. i really admire people who really believe that and i also feel like if you think, if you can work out and work and i'm like you, charles, i couldn't work out anymore. i mean, like i can't climb any faster or run any faster. i i can't eat. that was down eaten one meal a day. there's nothing else i can do so whatever works for you. i think we one of the reasons i wanted to do it is to let people make their own choices for their health and

well-being. so, and also to just let people know because there's so many people in all these places where there are food deserts. the next big special or conversation is going to be about costs because i want to know why the people in canada are paying $250 and people in united states, some parts of paying $1,000 a month, some people are paying 2000. so it may wait, wait, wait, they're playing to fit to paying 250 in canada for the same thing >> for the same thing, for the same thing >> yes. yes. i talked to a guy who was paying 250 for the same thing and nobody can explain to me why they're paying less than everybody else in the country. so first of all, i think the insurance companies have to have to start to recognize that obesity is a disease. the cdc says that the american medical association says that the world health organization says that association of pediatrics says it. all agree that 2013 obesity since 2013, it's been declared a disease. if that that is the case, then those drugs need to

be covered by insurance company. that's what i think >> you know, obviously, and i hope i don't. in about output, i'm a series means you're going, people in the black community in a black community health care, obesity, they are real issues. why are we so, why are we so afraid to address health and obesity in the black community? >> you're asking me that question >> it's all three people all here. you to smartest one out of the i'm not even going to be as saying i'm never gonna be rescued me. that question. but there's i think to say that this is the thing, i think that a lot of people, first of all, we're not aware of what these medications can actually do because i just got four days ago an email from a cousin who

said asking me, did i want to go on a carb sugar fast with her for 21 days and i'm like, hey i know that is not the answer >> yes. >> let me talk to you about something yes, it might be more helpful to you. so i think that in a lot of places in the united states still, because you all in new york, east coast, west coast, all those people had access to the medications are a lot of people in the other parts of our country who weren't even aware of what's available and what is not hello. able. so i think getting exposure in those places where people do not have access because that's the that's the next bit conversation. access to people who don't have it. that means black people and brown people and underserved communities. and also getting the costs down so that more people can afford it. and have the availability to improve their health. that's the goal. >> all right. oprah, we thank

you. and maybe you can help charles barkley because clearly, he's having trouble getting some open those people going out drinking without without to >> hey, charles, charles steadman doesn't drink either >> what in the world, what the world coming to for kayla >> doesn't drink tequila is on the brakes so all these yeah. >> okay. tequila zone, you i've been hanging out with stemming and gail. i'm the only one drink and mo >> email me. you got it. >> okay >> oprah thank you. and for those of you, thanks a lot. oprah. thank you. >> bye bye. for those of >> you who missed oprah >> special, you can see it on hulu. it's running now. >> charles and i both highly recommended go to whom suppressors on belief capable >> we've got a lot more to get to tonight, including nba commissioner. i just adore him. his name is adam silver charles. you have anything you want to talk to the commissioner about a couple of things, a couple what. he's an

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>> steph curry recently said that he would be open to running for public office if you could pick any nba player. so run for public bob is who would it be and what would the office i would think stuff currently not have to go with tim duncan, jaylen brown. >> i agree with a lot of his opinions. >> you this guy, because he calls politicians, schools, i kind of agree with lebron james, bryan, right >> but also the broad got their credentials, the doing i'm brian james for president this a couple of shorts out there too. >> we welcome you back less >> than a month left before the nba regular season ends in the playoffs began, one of the best times of the year, which means it's a perfect time to talk to a man. he even knew charles barkley would be here and he came anyway nba commissioner adam silver, we welcome you. adam, it's always good to see you. >> thank you. clarity time. can i ask you a question before we talk about because i watched that last segment. honestly, i don't understand why you can't get that drug anymore. >> it was called i think that's interesting, no, but so

>> but everybody is now so can't you get it? >> well, because i think you have to keep raising your prescription and i think i'm at a level that that's probably they probably make the least of it. that's just my own observation. but i'm gonna tell you, i'm going to stay on it. i get to 270 because i just want to be number one alive. but what i want to be healthy >> and >> again at 100 pounds is not healthy for anybody like i said, i'm going to lose at and like say, i feel really good. but but i was surprised to add on there, he can't get it. >> i was and honestly, i've known you for over 30 years since playing in the league. and you look great whatever you do >> this in an i tell people, let's say you, we all get to make around decision number, how we want to look at shame. fat people, whatever, whatever. but i just feel so much better physically. but also because we almost had to mentally. yes. yes. yes. >> mentally because thereby say, why feel good. i'm even though i'm not a man feels so

much better mentally. i mean, i'm always getting to the point where i can walk around the house naked >> oh, my eyes to oprah him. that prescription exactly so we talked to the commissioner >> yeah. okay. >> so this is this is almost the best time of the year for basketball. we got where we start march madness tomorrow and then we go rather than very play else. you got to be excited. i wrote down a couple of names. shai gilgeous-alexand er anthony edwards, obviously luca you know, steph and lebron have character league. the last 1015 years. but you gotta be excited by somebody, a young guys going into a playoff this year. >> yeah. i'm glad you mentioned those touche guilty. and anthony edwards because oklahoma city and minnesota, those teams are up and coming. i think i feel like luka doncic, some of the other young players, yeah, giannis, obviously some others are getting a lot of attention. those guys for people who loved

the league to tune into their games because they're just now, i think breaking through. i mean, people in the basketball community know for them, but i think casual fans are starting to realize with those guys are and you're right that next-generation, there's a group, international players, a group of us player who are off the charts. and that's what's so great about this game. that from, that's who you were. obviously when you play it. and then when charles retired and mike retired, people said what's going to happen next and then they just come up and what's so incredible now about what's happening leak even, i mean, i think you are on the dream team of course 1992. and that was the turning point, right of the international game. those guys coming over to where we are now, where we're getting close to 30% of the league or players born out, say nights outside the united states, the last 5%, 30%, last five mvps, players born outside the united states and we have players now from roughly 45 different countries in the league. so it's truly global well game, but honestly, thanks to charles and that group and you and i remember same

generation that barcelona olympics in 1992 is right when i joined the league that was the turning point, i think for global basketball. so thank you. >> thank it's been a blast. i love basketball. this is giving me every single thing in my life. now grew up in a small town in alabama and now i'm sitting up here in new york city with the commission and gayle king. so i love basketball for that reason. one us in the all-star game been go well as being kind of fluid the last three years. >> see, i thought it went well and then i came back to work that i said i thought it was a great time because, you know, i love that event. jaws goes no, i didn't think it went well. i did well, it it wasn't a appease into the fans. have you ever considered the united states against the world >> well, no, it's true in speaking of barcelona. so we thought a lot about that. and i think are feeling going into indiana for the all-star game this here and you're obviously both. there was we had one more

opportunity to go an essence back to basketball that larry bird was sort of our honorary captain. you think of basketball, larry bird, indiana we'd gone back to the traditional east vs west format. we'd move away from that draft. were doing last several years, we had done those special endings, so we went back to 40 minute game we talked to players before the game, and you're right. i mean, i had fun. i think fans had fund where we can play and it was great weekend, but it wasn't a basketball all game and had i not seen what happened this year, i think we are ready to do us versus international. i'm just wondering now, it's a good conversation to have whether this generation of players, and even in the teams are complicit as two because nobody wants them to play hard and get hurt. nobody wants to get hurt. they see it as a mid-season break i think of something that was a huge attraction, for example, sabrina again, steph arena that would be my i mean, it says so much about the game. i think again, our generation billie jean king, bobbi rigueur. what

was the battle of the sexes? this was the opposite. this was a sabrina said, just too great shooters out on the floor. so i think maybe as opposed to trying to create a super competitive basketball game, which i'm not sure the teams are the players really want was that moment i think we should do more well. essentially, i've talked to untrue. you have to i talk to a lot of players after the game and it wasn't i didn't get the sense that they went out there and said, well, we know what the league wants, we know they want us to tnt, wants us to play hard, but we're just not going to do it. i think it's just sort of once. they, got out there. i think particularly young players, they see it as again, a mid-season break and opportunity fund, an opportunity to take a break from a very long season. i mean, we roughly have 1,300 games over the course of your all incredibly competitive games. and i think they see that as something different. they see it. i mean, there's always an entertainment aspect to our league and i pick it shifted from when you were player. and i think to the point where when i saw the popularity of stef verse, sabrina, see what's happened in the woman's game. that wish

just be looking to do different things and just make it a celebration of basketball i mean, we're going to look at us first international. i just think maybe it would pass that point where we're going to play a truly competitive game. by the way, it's happened in other sports. >> the players aren't into it, but that's a breanna of steph curry thing that was such a highlight. everybody everybody was engaged in that can't you see that happening again with kaitlan next year? >> well, one, i just think even sabrina's from the bay area. they also games his hair, francisco. yeah. that's right. yeah, of course. stuff is there, so i ran into both them next day. i said, what do you think they're like game on for next year, but they both they want her best to three, which i thought was really interesting. naibe, but i wanted beds. they were both. nervous chris, i mean, there are two of the greatest shooters in the world and it's a lot of pressure when it's one round. you're off a little bit so they want to do it again, but i'm sure we'll be doing integrating some other wnba players. obviously everybody is excited about kaitlan coming to the league, but there's some obviously great town right now. >> there's a lot of nervousness that tmt and espn,

where you're partners, an mba we know. that the biddings coming up and amazon and apple and nbc are gonna make a play >> you >> i >> told gayle as you technically work for the owners, what you've been very friendly to the players how do you balance that when you're trying to negotiate a new television deal? like i want to make my owners happy because he both sides happy. you mean? all right. what's it's impossible. is it out or you just that well, first of all, in terms of owners and players, i mean, i think we have a great partnership. >> we have for years >> frankly, when i'm sitting >> down and talk about television media that i wouldn't be doing my job. i didn't think the fans first. >> okay. i mean, there are consumers. if we don't find a way to present our game on networks where people can find and presented a place where they produce it the way you and your colleagues do at tnt great

job that espn does. people aren't going to watch it. so it has, so the players and the owners are, have a partnership. you know, how our cap system works. it's an essence, a revenue sharing system and it's a fantastic model because everybody's incentive. in essence, it's a 50, 50 split. but as i say, the players and end to my bosses who are the owners that there's so much competition these days and media, i mean, just think of what's going on at tnt in terms of changes in cable, what's happening at cnn and everything is moving digitally so as we're looking at the next decade, we've got to think about how we're going to produce some present are games in a way where they're going to be easily accessible because look, a lot of people you must talk to fans all time. it don't get cable and they feast on social media and our players are incredibly popular there, but it's not a substitute for watching live games. and the thing that really excites me it, there's been a lot of talk about games in essence being ported over to digital platforms. and you saw with nfl, with nbc and peacock,

amazon has games now to but it's in essence, they're still the same games, the same feat of the game. what's really exciting to me as he moved these digital platforms, it creates opportunities to do things unimaginable before in traditional television. i mean, frankly, for people who do want to bet and you talk about that, you can do that if you want. nothing to do with that. that's fine for people who want to buy the shoes, the players are wearing that the jerseys are wearing who people want to be part of a larger community for people who want different languages, different dialects for people who want to listen to commentary from charles, not just during the break, but throughout the game or people want mike brain to be doing play by play, or just to hear a group of people who are just fans having fun watching the game. so i think production is going to change dramatically over the next several years. and the other part about our game being global i mean, even now, 75% of our viewership comes from outside the united states these isn't that incredible, and these isn't that what, whether it's whether it's max, your company or

whether it's netflix or espn plus going global we're really unique sport and that we have fans all over the world were distributed to 215 countries and territories now, but it's not always so accessible when your network to network, think of, where netflix is growing on a global basis. and i think 260 million subscribers. and most of that growth now is coming globally. so it's a really interesting time from immediate. so >> i'm a mole, not as old as gil i remember how do even if i remember vividly on the first time in nba player made $1 i'm talking to dr. jay most maurice cheeks and add your tone and those guys were walking around half each other we couldn't believe that a nba player made $1 million. now the average salary is like rather around 10 million yeah. >> it >> there is there a ceiling or breaking point? what is like,

first of all, god bless all these guys making birth minds. they want to, but you don't begrudge that. i do not regret it out, but yeah >> we're like we're going to have >> guy's making at $90 million a year coming up soon i want to know how the fans view concerning said about a fans are going to rack to nba player are making $90 million a year? no. so up the gambling conversation two, when you see people making that much money and fans being able to well, just to begin with the money for the players. yeah, the same before it's a revenue sharing system between the teams and the players. so as we generate more revenue players make more money. so i remember as a kid, to even long before $1 million and grew up in new york as the anki fan and people would say, i can't believe players can make 200,000.300 thousand so they're entertainers. i don't think any more than fans per grudge beyond say, or taylor

swift i mean, to me, if you're generating the interest from the fan you deserve to make what the market will bear at the same time whether it's the owners of the teams or the people producing the games, there's, as i'm constantly reminding the players, but it requires a whole ecosystem to support you. i mean, sometimes we use the analogy. it's like when you watch a movie and their, the stars you see on the screen. but then you could sit there for 15 minutes and watching the credits because all those people are necessary and that's kind of like the nba. there's tens of thousands of people who are employed by the league and the teams and the related businesses all to produce this game so to the extent that interests continues to grow and i think basketball is the fastest-growing sport in the world. and we're unique in terms of the mba and be in terms of global appeal, that there's no reason player salary shouldn't continue to grow. and i think that's healthy and again, in >> turn will like that. but i also think in terms of what fans think, again, do people

begrudge taylor swift or beyonce or jay-z, or any great entertained. by the way, you earning a nice little bit too. i'm just saying like, i guess you're earning know, but i think i think it's trying to get i just think that people, you and people respect these. the thing about nba players that you were mentioning some earlier, they have unique talent on the planet. and when you have unique talent out of 8 billion people on the planet, you're gonna be able to come man outsides, outside salaries. i think what bothers people back to the all-star game and this troubles me as well and it sort of breaks down generationally i think i accept responsibility as the commissioner league. i think we should have known at this point for an all-star game as i started to say before, the nfl pro bowl moved to flag football, there's just a recognition. it's a different time. >> but >> when you put those players out there and all-star game and it doesn't look like they're giving full effort. i don't think fans would have cared whether they're making 1 million or 10 million or 30 million, they're like, they're disappointed. they want to see a good day. and i think the

worst part is like talking to players both before the game and after they know that to their smart guys. but it's kind of, it's just they're sort of all looking at each other and it's just not happening, which is why we got to the league night in night out is so competitive. yeah. were you start to ask me for were heading towards the playoffs now last year with like two weeks to go, we still have something like 26 out of 30 teams were still competing for playoffs, i mean, look, what's happening in college basketball now, like to me, you have tonight, you have on other networks you have to play in for the college, torn is on tonight. i'm one of your networks. you have you have nba games on espn tonight. there's so much interest in the college torment. there's more parity in college and never before yeah. i mean, i love what's happening around basketball and it's it's a growing sport and there continues to be so much opportunity. i >> still love this sport. there. >> you mentioned taylor swift. i just have to say this when she blew up the nfl and ways that they couldn't even totally anticipate. was there a small part of you, adam that

thought god, i wish she was dating wasn't there a small part of you that thought that a big part oh, thank you. >> thanks. >> thanks. thank you. >> when we come back, when we come back littlejohn will join us onset. he's now doing guided meditations and he's great. we'll be right back >> thank you, adam sanity needs to save space >> you have a show were right and left talk to each other cnn presents an encore presentation of hbo's real time with bill maher saturday at eight on cnn >> let's we never thought roba

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>> never gets never gets. >> that's the lander zone. i'm john performing turned out for what? at the super bowl with osha, you all remember that that performance catapulted one of his classics? >> yes >> yeah >> the top of two, you go to a billboard charts last month, 20 years after its release okay. >> for you >> let before >> we get serious for a second what type of pressure that you feel like? it's the super bowl is to right up there with the oscars. they're the two most whites, two beds. and the world that you feel pressure i don't ever get nervous because i'm manifesting. what's going to happen when it goes right and all of the great things that are going to happen afterwards. so for me, nervousness turned into when i kill this show all of these good things are gonna happen, okay? and so i was like

an athlete on the sideline waiting for my turn to go out. i was literally like here, but it out and just didn't kill it. >> has a jog, did kill it. like when the games get bigger and whatever for your nervous, scared, you're ready for it to happen, but you feel a type of way. i did not. i never thought i'd be known stages with hundreds of thousands of people i'm going to show you all and oprah nine somebody going to be nervous with me. we company here to do that a man once known as the king of kroenke sounds like this >> hey >> it's low, john >> i'd like to welcome you >> to total meditation

>> that is laughing, this is he used to tell you to shake it like a salt shaker, but now how he's guiding you to peace and calm with his new album, total meditation we want you to welcome again, music superstar super producer. we're going to call you serenity guru, little john, because littlejohn before the show went out, we were out in the streets starting to people who had said, you know, he's doing a total meditation albon people said, no, i can understand, i can understand it. >> but it really does work, right. so why did you decide at this stage in your career that you were going to do this because you seem like the most unlikely person that doesn't surprise you. that's the reaction. >> well, yeah, it doesn't surprise me, but i mean, i'm i was turning 50 year though lot of things going on in my life, a lot of life changes, health issues. you had to go get that colonoscopy? >> yes you're worried about your health >> safe proudly yeah. yeah. >> health is wealth. health is everything you want to be here for a long time, just like

charles was saying earlier. all right. >> so >> the meditation >> was something i started to do to help me deal with the issue that i was dealing with in my life. and it really sums right? yes. personnel, personal issues. they gave me some peace, some communists and call my mind and it changed my way of thinking and so around that time i met kabir sago who is the producer. they album. and it was like perfect time. and because i was already really diving into this meditation, spacing, meditating every day. and we put together this album with a bunch of more albums that are not released yet, but we put together this and it was great because it was once it was done like before was done and i was just going about my life. i was feeling like i was supposed to be doing something. i didn't know what it was that i was supposed to be doing. and then after we finished the album i thought about and i was like, i'm supposed to be helping people. >> but were you reluctant to do

it? did you get support in the community for doing this? but nobody knew. >> nobody >> is two years ago and it was just timing was right to put it out like after super bowl, we have been sitting on it. we have been trying to find a place for the album to come out. and we found a home with a tiger turn and bmg and it was perfect timing and here it is. >> so >> why do you think >> we we, we as black people? i'm all we never go to the dr. until it's too late. >> hawaii. we afraid to talk about mental health and our community >> i think is the way we've been raised. and i think generations of black folks, you know, have just been taught. so just like just menn up, get over it, deal with it. like ubi, you know, instead of addressing the issues and moving forward, we just kinda put them in a closet and never deal with it. and once you deal

with it and you understand your issue, that's how you can get past them. >> and >> move on. >> but did you have trouble accepting your own mental health issues or your own? anxiety or whatever you are battling >> know with meditation, you start to have more inner peace and you start to have reflection. and you look in that mirror at yourself and you have to man up and say i was at fault here. are there. and i take responsibility. you know, and then it's basically like i just said, you dealing with it, you facing these fears and then you can process them and move on. i just want to say, man with some that we really needed and black community not want, i hope you keep comment on show was talking about it because first of all, menn never talk about anything. but february the black commander that we should go to the dr. a lot more and talk about our issues. i just wanted to say thank you, man. i hope everything gail was

bragging about you all day she said he was so awesome to be on her show today. and i say, i seabed, i can't wait so thank you. oh, thank you. but it's your voice. i think what gets me is people are surprised that the guy goes. yeah, drop >> it. okay. >> can do that, could do that little john, what do you say to people that are? like? >> i can't scream all the time >> yeah, >> i have to talk regularly sometimes, so yeah, of course i can do it in of course. i'm a regular person like everybody else i had to live deal with problems in life too. you know, you don't see it. >> yeah. because i'm the reference photo. that's florida because people think when you're rich and famous, like you don't have issues. i'm like, hell, we do exactly. >> thank you, jonathan. thank >> charles. we'll be right back >> seriously go on the incline >> what's the greatest

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