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seasoned debater off their footing why didn't you do lowered earth? >> because i was a senator with a republican president. oh, really, i will be the president on it effective that you were in effect saturday, you could have done it this chaotic approach. bill clinton was abusive to women only amplified by his added the metrics hillary clinton attack those same women and attack them viciously. four of them here tonight and one other strategy shift we've seen trunk make is for him to throw out this playbook entirely. >> one of the debates against hillary clinton in 2016, you showed up any was mostly discipline, more subdued, a total surprise when compared to the past and that's certainly one reason erin, the biden team here, they're preparing for this eventuality that trump could show up on thursday night. he could break that trend, show up more disciplined in our message, fahrenheit, sunland. thank you very much and thanks to all of you will see you tomorrow night with our special coverage ahead of the
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cnn presidential debate, ac30 60 starts now tonight on 360 with the cnn press presidential debate, just two nights from now, we have breaking news and the biden campaign aimed to paint donald trump has quote, too dangerous and reckless, unquote to be president. >> that and what the former president acknowledges he did too much of the last time they debated. also tonight polls closing shortly in new york, congressmen jamaal bowman attempt to keep his seat and a contest hitting the democratic party left and center over israel and gaza. and from gaza, tonight's cnn's jeremy diamond with an up-close look at the pier, which american forces built to bring in humanitarian applause. but as in play with troubles good evening, thanks for joining us. it is crunch time times two ahead of thursday's cnn presidential debate, we begin tonight with new reporting for the second night running of a tougher tack, the biden campaign appears to be preparing their candidate to follow when the two men meet also new word and how
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differently they're practicing or not for the big night. and a hint from the former president that he wants to dial back one aspect, at least of his demeanor from 2020, reporting on that and more tonight from cnn's mj lee at the white house, kristen holmes at the trump campaign, and cnn political director david chelyan at the debates site in atlanta, mj lee starts us off so what have you learned about this contrast? the biden team is hoping to make against the former president will anderson, even though domestic policies are really top of mind for the biden team, i am told by a source, the foreign policy has come up in these debate prep sessions at camp david, led by the president's national security adviser, jake sullivan, and the president of course, is preparing for the possibility of foreign policy coming up on thursday night. >> and as one campaign official put it to me, they said that when it comes to foreign policy, the contrast at the president is it's going to try to draw on thursday night, really could not be more stark. they said, president biden stands up to dictators and defense freedom. trump is a loser who is too dangerous and
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reckless to ever be anywhere close to the oval office again one famous line from donald trump that is source had said is likely to come up thursday night this is recent claim that he would be a dictator on day one, but i do think it's worth noting a challenge for the biden team potentially as they're preparing for these foreign policy issues, is that some of donald trump's up positions on foreign policy issues are really murky and ambiguous on gaza. he actually hadn't said much publicly on ukraine brain. he has said that he would have resolved the conflict in one day, but he's never elaborated on how exactly he would have done that. and for the other side of that coin is the president is going to try to make an affirmative case for his leadership on the world stage as well. >> and i know you've learned more about the level of detail the biden team is incorporating into the preparations for the debate yeah. >> i mean, this is really the stage where they are trying to find tune every single detail and make sure that the president can be as prepared as you can be and i'm told by a senior adviser that that
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includes knowing exactly what he is going to see once he is behind that podium, that he watched the president of video that a staff or had taken during a walk-through of the cnn studio in atlanta, so that he could get a sense of exactly what he'll see once he is standing behind the podium. now, you'll recall that the biden team did win that coin flip. and what they chose was the right podium position. that means that he is going to be on the right side of the state of the tv screen for the audience that is watching, president trump is going to be on the left side. and you might say, you know, these are really superficial details, but perhaps not because i think for any team and particularly clearly for the biden team no detail is too small and i do think we're getting a sense of how seriously they are taking all of the debate preparation and they've been doing, i mean, is it true they've been doing mock debates and if so, how are they structuring the practice debates? >> yeah, we reported that the mock debates started in earnest yesterday. we know that the president has been using a podium adds up and that there
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are different advisors that are standing in for donald trump, for colleagues, jake tapper and dana the vast though no word yet on exactly who is playing those roles. but this is really anderson about replicating the experience of the president will have on thursday night as much as that is even possible. and that includes a force just going over all of the substantive issues that could come up, going over the different ways in which donald trump might behave it also includes just a test for his stamina. he's going to be standing there for 90 plus minutes and they want him to be as focused and as sharp as possible. and folks that we have talked to who have been involved in the past said the person that is playing donald trump in these mock debates, they have a balancing act. they want to give him bad experience, but they want to make sure that they're there isn't too much theatrical involved because back could end up being really distracting. >> mj lee, thanks very much. want to go to cnn's kristen holmes, not far from mar-a-lago, how is the former president preparing for this debate? and what topics are his allies advising him to focus
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on? do we know? >> interested? it's been far less consistent and traditional than what we seen from president joe biden. a lot of that because team is trying to fit what donald trump does, doesn't really like this. sit down and focus instead, it has been shorter conversations, policies, sessions, n as donald trump often does calls with allies, advisers see speaking their advice. now when it comes to what exactly they want him to focus on, they want him to focus on three things in particular, the economy, specially inflation. they wanted to focus on immigration as well as crime. these are things that they have seen the data on. they believe that voters think that donald trump is better on these issues jews, then president joe biden, they also are trying to talk to him about how to pivot away from questions on democracy or abortion? yes, they are coming up with answers, but how to get back to those three topics that they believe are key that will help presence of former president trump, quote, unquote, win. that debate on thursday and donald trump himself actually not rather candid in an interview with the washington examiner talking about his debate prep two
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things of note here. one is what he said about how it's difficult. he said it's very hard to prepare for the debate. you've got to know this stuff from years of doing it. and i know all the leaders and i know what i know. i think debating is an attitude more for than anything else, but not just attitude. donald trump clearly also reflecting on his previous attitude, particularly in those 2020 debates with joe biden, he specifically mentioned how he interrupted joe biden too many times during that debate clearly going back through those debates and trying to hone one his strategy heading into thursday. again, his team believes he can do well if he stays on message, particularly focused on those three issues, anderson and how to perform, present those random talk about the debate format. do they think it will help or hurt him? >> what's been really interesting to see an evolution among his closest allies and advisers who won. they are publicly bashing the format which they of course agreed to,
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but they have said that it doesn't benefit donald trump. that having an audience doesn't work for him. having muted mics but it's really been a shift behind closed doors and in private conversations, i've had with these allies and advisers, one, they originally said that they thought the lack of audience would hurt donald trump, that they thought he couldn't be energized without it that he really bills and feeds off of that audience. now, there has been a shift in this mentality that, that might actually be good, that we've seen donald trump on these rants when he's in a big rally with a lot of his supporters, where he's off topic and completely unfocused, perhaps. and this is the hope again of his allies and advisers that without an audience, he can actually stay on message. the other part of this is those muted mics. you heard donald trump himself saying that he interrupted joe biden too many times and that first debate in 2020, this really takes that element out of it. he's not going to have the capability to continue to go after biden while biden is speaking and some of his closest advisers actually believe that that
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could help them. but obviously anderson we are in uncharted territory here, particularly because it is former president donald trump and who knows how these elements are good layout until thursday when they're on that stage. >> yeah. kristen holmes, thanks so much. want to go to atlanta or cnn political director david challenge that has more on the format as kristen holmes just mentioned, the set of rules, the two sides agreed to, and how different this debate night we'll look because of it. so talked it was about the rules well, anderson, one of the biggest changes i think the view word see is no audience will be a part of this debate. >> there'll be the two candidates and the two moderators in the room. there kristen, you heard mentioned that the microphones will be turned on for the designated speaker. at the time they are designated to speak in the debate. his opponents microphone will be turned off at that time. timing lights are visible to the candidates throughout the debate. so they'll know when their time is running out and the two candidate podiums are eight feet apart from each other.
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obviously, that's lot closer than these two candidates were to each other on the debate stage compared to four years ago when we were in the height of covid. >> what are the rules regarding how each candidate is supposed to respond to questions? >> so the way that the debate is set up and these are cnn's format that both campaigns agreed to in order to participate in the debate. was that there would be a big macro topic and candidate a will get a question on that topic. they will have two minutes to answer that question. then there will be one minute response from candidate b, if you will and another one-minute response from candidate a. and then it flips the other way, staying within the broad topic areas a different slice of a question related to that topic candidate b will get two minutes at that starter question. candidate gets a minute to respond. candidate b gets two minute to respond. of course, jake and dana at moderator discretion can ask a one-minute followup, anderson, i would note also though these candidates, once
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they hit the debate stage, there is no staff know aids. they can't communicate with their team until after the debate has concluded. so the viewer will be seeing on at-home the sitting president and the former president unprecedented debate and they will not during the course of the debate, be consulting with any aids. >> all right. david julian, thanks so much. johnny showers, biden biographer evan asna's for pumpkin strategy. scott jennings and former trump white house communications director alyssa farah griffin evan, you've reported and spent a lot of time in prison. biden over the years, how does he prepare mentally, emotionally? 4 big moments like this? >> he does a lot of preparation. he can write down to the last minute. he'll be marking up a speech in this case, of course, there's no speech, really this is not about stuffing your head full of facts and figures. this part of the process is about poise, getting enough command and comfort with what's about to happen that when you get up on stage, you are comfortable well lasing those facts into your
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comments and let's face it also preparing for whatever it is donald trump's going to try to do to get under your skin. and we know for a fact as mj mentioned earlier, that they have got to helping him try to visualize the space that's very important. even all the way back in 1960, richard nixon didn't really have a good sense of the room and a debate. he spent too much time looking at the clock. people thought he didn't look enough into the camera and it hurt him. so that's kind of thing they're thinking about. >> alyssa based on mj lee is reporting, what do you think of the way prison biden seems to be preparing for this versus the former president. well, he's certainly leaning into hunkering down. i'm actually surprised by the level of specificity in detail we're getting from whitehouse source a lot now he's preparing and the kind of topics he's focusing on i assume that's meant to telegraph that he sees this as highly important. but i also think it raises the stakes and expectations of how he's going to perform, what he's going to run into as this biden loves to defend his record, he feels like he's not gotten enough credit for it. but what happens is you're looking backward. he also needs to be able to defend him his record, but look forward and present a
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forward-looking vision and all the while being up there against somebody who is known to try to throw him off of his balance is going to try to throw in jobs when it says time to speak. and i think it's always a little bit harder for the incumbent and these debates, yeah, i mean, it's got legendarily, can come when residents have a really hard time on first base, they haven't been confronted the way they do on a campaign. they they were used to people's sort of kowtow into them if you're joe biden, you can't believe you've got 38% approval rating. you can't believe these polls that say that people remember the trump presidency more finally, you just need to explain it which is why you just listen to me talk about how smart i am. you will also know when i think about these two, i think about them being like musicians and biden is going to be like a technical, he's reading off the sheet of music and trump is sort of like the guy with the cow bell exploring the studio. >> one technical, one vibe driven and in this thing, are people really listening for specific policy or are they
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looking to see, are you posible? >> do you seem like you could be plausible for four years, this is hurting biden because people think he's too old to serve another four years. i think this is i mean, i haven't this one. >> i think it's just gonna be so fascinating. i call moderated the second debate in 2016. hillary clinton evade, write out the access hollywood tape, and that was where trump was sort of wandering around on the stage and the tension was so extraordinary. this is that tension times. i don't know what to scott's point of sort of biden is about policy and trump is about kind of riffing and this weird political jazz but it's also in the end the thing that americans are really looking for is somebody who is in command, in command of the moment and commanded themselves. somebody who's able to convey a sense that they understand the gravity of the job. a lot of this in the end comes down to who can convey the sense that they will be more normal president. bruce read, one of the senior policy advisors who are spending a lot
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of time with biden and debate prep said to me earlier this year, look, america is a normal country and americans are normal people. what he means by that is fundamentally there is a level of exhaustion out there. we all see it when we talked to voters, when we talk to our friends and family, people want to have politics take up less space in their minds. and part of the goal is the person who can get up on that stage and say to you, look i've got this and it's not clear and a lot of people's minds that donald trump has the capacity for self-control. or let's face it, the joe biden can convey the kind of vigor that he needs to on that. >> i'm going to listen. the advantage biden had the last time was he was not the incumbent and trump was and there was a lot of animosity and a lot of no angst and he was more of a blend. biden was more of a blank slate. he's now in the position where he's not a blank slate and trump is our memories were shortened. >> one, i came for each are very short. >> i painfully rewatch the first debate and you very much see that donald trump is more on his heels. he's defending
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the covid response. joe biden's able hello, to work in jobs at him yes. the onus is more on the incumbent, but let's think for a second, how much has happened since trump left office roe v. wade comes down january 6 happens. you have 88 felony indictments. you've got the criminal felony charges. you have both candidates investigated for mishandling classified documents. there's actually a wealth of things for donald trump tower after defend as well. so what i'm curious to see as how much or his advisors able to break through to him to say don't get caught up, re-litigating january 6 or talking about the stolen election and go back to the economy, to the border issues that he's actually strong. >> he's got the chances him re-litigating the 20 is thoughts on the election. i mean, it seems almost inevitable. >> the smart answer is look everybody here has different opinion than me. you know what my opinion is. i know what yours is, what we need to talk about is inflated and immigration, if he did that every time it was brought up, that would be a huge win. i mean, there's a lot of things for him to do here. i hope he actually speaks to the moment we're having on anti semitism
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in this country. remember, joe biden launched his campaign. he said, because of charlottesville, we've got this issue in los angeles this week. we have these anti-semitic events all over the country. i know it's not one of the top issues everybody is talking about, but to me, it is fundamental to how biden got into this race and why he said he was running. and i think trump could cause some habakkuk on that stage if he used it at the debate, it did sit down to dinner with neo-nazis. i mean, so he has weaknesses on that front as well. does he not? >> oh, he's certainly does. and that is a conversation that by the way, should be had and i suspect our moderators will be prepared to fact check if anyone white washes either their records. but i think scott's right the he can call into question. will you were supposed to bring about healing you're supposed to get us past this moment, but that's where biden the onus is so much on him to remind people of the worst things donald trump has done and said, the other thing is does the former president just attack biden on the former president has been saying awful things on the campaign trail. real battle. he's on drugs,
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he's not, not all there. does he just do that directly to him 4 the bulk of this debate throughout this debate, i mean, when i heard that david john was saying that there's eight feet between them i mean, one of my thoughts was, does he honore that eight-foot distance? i mean, does he i think that this podium arrangement will confine him to his side of the ring. frankly, it'll be pretty weird if he begins wandering over there. but i have no doubt he's going to bring up this notion, this kind of idea that they're pumping up biden with something to make them perform. look, the fact is, i don't expect and to shy away from this if he's going to if he's going to be attacked on a personal basis, one of the words you begin to hear from the campaign and i've heard it from joe biden himself talking about donald trump is the word loser. i would not be surprised to hear joe biden use that word on stage to see what the reaction is from his opponent of an osmo, scott jennings, those far griffin, we will be watching get me an extraordinary night, primary night tonight polls closing shortly in new york where there's democratic squad
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chime.com, violet earth with me of freiburg sunday at nine on cnn its primary nine and 40 states tonight, utah, colorado, south carolina, in new york, non presidential races one but several are getting national attention in colorado, republican congresswoman lauren boebert is running in a different district than the one she currently represents. >> and new york city's northern suburb democratic congressman jamaal bowman is facing a challenge from a more centrist democrat. and what has become both the most expensive congressional primary ever and a fight over the party's position on the israel-hamas conflict polls close the top of the hour. cnn's miguel mark has is outside bowman headquarters for us tonight. so what are the mood their lifetime very quiet so far, but typically on election night, it is we saw about 45 minutes to go before polls close here. >> but look, i think bowman does face an uphill battle. all the voters that we have spoken to, the real anger is not so much on his view who's about israel because even a lot of
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american jews are upset by what's happening in gaza. but it was his take, it was the way that he called it 75 years of occupation, a genocide. and that he sort of apologize, but didn't i think that has taken a toll four years ago, he came to power in this same district, riding the wave of anger over the racial justice movements. and george floyd and everything that was happening in our country at that time. now that tide seems to have turned against him, there's a lot of money in this race, $25 about 15 million of it. aipac is spending through its super pac the airwaves here have been saturated with commercials that are anti bowman the mailers have gone out, people are just talking about ten or 12 of them arriving in their mailbox every day. >> so it has been a lot of money shoved into a very small race, anderson. and what have you been hearing from voters and what's turnout been line yeah. >> and i should say that the
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bowman's campaign and others are very, very upset the way this outside money has come into here. but the voters we've seen campaigns where a lot of money is spent and still it doesn't break through voters here are very, very upset. the ones that are most upset are the moderates, jewish voters, but set of percent of the district is jewish, but a lot of voters are upset with the way that he's gone after israel. we were at mount vernon mount vernon today the city hall. that should be a very big bowman district and a precinct from 6:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. and we left to come over here. how many voters do you think voted in that pre-seen? 19. that should numbers should be a lot bigger and that should be very worrying for jamaal bowman tonight. yeah. >> i understand. miguel merck has. thank you so much perfect. now seen and political commentator van jones. so if bowman loses, what does that say? >> well, i mean, it would suggest that at least in that district that tone of how you
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deal with the israel palestine conflict is important. look, a lot of people are concerned about what's happening in gaza. a lot of people don't like those images, but it's how you deal with it. and i think aipac has decided they want to make an example of them. so money matters, but i think also you've got to represent your own district and you have a very big jewish district that felt apparently this is not the way they want the issue handle. >> what does this say about the sort of dispute between the establishment is weighing the left wing of the party. well, listen, not just in this race, but but, but part of it is this issue does split the democratic party because there are two values that people who are democrats hold. and they're in compliment each other. one is, you do want to defend israel, especially please, from islamic terror. and that kind of stuff, you know, hamas being a terrorist organization, you don't want terrorists killing people, especially killing children at festivals. so that's the value. but the
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other value is human rights for palestinians, you don't want unarmed civilians being killed in large numbers. and so you have a party, this is not just an easy thing. you have a party that's being split down the middle in terms of the seams of what our values are. and so what you needed situation like that is sober leadership. i think biden has been trying to show that leadership, even though people on both sides are very, very upset about the site that they're on within our let me that's been spent on this races. suddenly very well. let's and that's the challenge because aipac has to be careful here because on the one hand, they want to make an example out of somebody. but at the same time, you can win the battle and lose the war long term. if you start mass manufacturing, martyrs. i was trying to stand up for a cause i believed in and i got gunned down by apac. then you might win that battle, but long term, the brand of aipac, maybe this is a bullying organization. this is a vicious organization. and then that becomes something bad for the long term and also
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just going picking off individual congresspeople doesn't necessarily move public opinion in the right direction. it's not israel. so the long-term public opinion war could be harmed if there are too many of these kind of heavy-handed attacks. interesting, van jones, thanks very much. we'll see what happens coming up a third day of hearings in the mar-a-lago documents case ramped up short time ago. what the judge had to say about arguments by the trump team attempting to the suppress boxes of evidence seized by the fbi. that's next to me. harlem is home, is also your body. last one, everyone i asked myself, why does it pilates existed harlow? so i started my own studio, get in a brick-and-mortar in new york is not easy. chase inke supported us from studio to studio three. when you start small you need some big help and chase ink with that for me, earn up to 5% cash back home business essentials. but the chain inke business cash heart, and chase for business make moment.
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rulings from the band. she appeared skeptical though, of arguments by the trump defense team that the 2022 mar-a-lago search warrant was overly broad? the former president's attorneys sought to suppress boxes of evidence seized by the fbi because they said that investigators should have been more specific about where in the 50 plus room property they intended to search. judge cannon stood by the original warrants saying, quote, i have a hard time seeing what more needed to be included. joining me now, former trump attorney and cnn legal commentator ten parlatore, former federal judge, nancy gertner, and former federal prosecutor and best-selling author geoffrey tube and tim, you once represented the foreign president in the mar-a-lago case. you look through the boxes with those classified documents. do you think the search warrant? violated the foreign presence rights? and i'm wondering, would it make the special counsel's accusation that the former president kept boxes and what he called a haphazard manner well, i think to take your last point there, the fact that the boxes were stacked the way that they are. that's the way every single administration has done it, going back. many, many,
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many, many administrations. >> the difference here is that when he left office because of the chaotic nature of the transition narrow for whatever reason, chose not to get a facility to move the boxes to as they had done for every other administration. >> so he uses the first one where it went to his house so the fact that the boxes are kept like that honestly, that's more of an indictment of the white house document handling procedures, then the trump administration tradition itself, because every single administration is head classified documents mixed them with him with unclassified documents with personal effects, things like that. so that one's not really you know, something's going to move the ball. however, on the flip side of it, this warrant is not something that i ever thought it was overbroad in the where to search because warrants are supposed to say what to look for, where to look forward. they're supposed to have some probable cause as to that. but somewhere in the building for pieces of paper
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very happy about how it's going. judge gardner, i mean, do you agree with jeff? >> i by the end of it today's hearing, judge, can seem frustrated with both the prosecutor's prosecution and defense. certainly, i'm sure the prosecution is very frustrated with her. how would you have handled these things about a, year, ago, i would have handled these things that but but, you know, that the issue that everyone keeps on raising is, is this a product of her a inexperienced be competence or see bias? >> and i i heard on this program another judge, a good friend of mine, who said what it was her inexperience but if you are inexperienced, the first thing you do is you actually defaulted precedent so yesterday's hearing about the whelming and what a typically an inexperienced judge would do would say would follow that one of the first things that you learn in baby judge school and
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yes, that's what it's called is case management. and that is set a trial date and she has not a set a trial date. and what is hanging fire out there, what has not been resolved, for example? ample there's a motion to dismiss on the grounds of presidential immunity. well, these acts took place after he was president. so there are issues out there which he has not resolved, which should have been easily resolved and yesterday's hearing felt like an audition for judge cannon to seek higher office inviting essentially, the right legal scholars to challenge the special counsel when those challenges have failed over and over again for years and years and years. so i agree with jeff, although i have a much more complicated explanation than he did. >> but i just think the point fancy making is making a about case management is exactly the problem here. >> and that's gotta be especially frustrating to jack smith's team because case
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management is not usually something that you can appeal. it's not an incorrect legal ruling. it's simply not knowing how to be a judge or intentionally not deciding cases when they should. so the problem for jack smith is that he's kind of trapped with her. he can't appeal incorrect rulings. he stuck as she delays and delays and delays. and that's something that he just really can't do anything about tim, evan corcoran i actually sorry, tim evan corcoran, another former attorney is a key witness for prosecutors. what i'm wondering what you make of trump's argument that prosecutors shouldn't be allowed use evidence from him because he has i mean, according to prosecutors, some damaging evidence about the things of the form president said there are parts of what he has to say that i think do fall under the crime-fraud exception, specifically, the parts where he's saying when and where he's going to search because to the extent that prosecutors can use that to
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show that this informs when and where walter went to go move boxes but i think that the scope of judge house order in dc was way too expansive as to what she rolled was within the crime-fraud exception you got to remember so i was there at that hearing. it was behind closed doors and the way it worked, the government filed the motion. we weren't allowed to read it, but we had to respond to it. >> we went into the court court ross jim trusty gave an argument when it turned over to the special counsel, make the argument. >> they said two things, one of which is ally and then they said, before we continue, we'd like the defensively of the row. so we had to go sit in the hallway for 45 minutes to an hour, come back, and then the judge looked at jim trusty and said, mr. trustee would you like to respond? so i think that it is something that certainly right to go through again. and i think a lot of what evan corcoran has actually quoted in the indictment, it is classic attorney-client privilege information. when you have a client has never had a criminal grand jury subpoena and they asked you what do i
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have to do? do i have to respond to it? what happens if we don't respond to it? and in this case, who's very specific of saying i saw what david kendall did for hillary clinton where they deleted 20,000 emails. nothing happened to them. are we allowed to do the same thing? those are the kind of questions that you want clients to ask you. and if you say no, we can't do that in the client says, okay, there's nothing wrong judge gertner in new york, judge merchan lifted portions of the gag order in the criminal case restricting with the president can say about witnesses in the trial, just two days for the scene in debate, just on that, do you agree with the judge's decision? i think that's right. i think i think that when the gag order has to be has to dovetail with the underlying case and before the trial, he was concerned about witnesses who were about to testify. and certainly about the jury. now that there has been a verdict and in-between verdict and sentencing he is concerned about a taxon prosecutors no longer attacks on witnesses. and so it made
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sense to narrow it and after sentencing, it's the justification for a gag order disappears entirely. so i think it makes sense and shows that he's titrating this to the underlying case and that's what he should do. >> judge gertner, geoff two tim parlatore. thanks so much. appreciate it. coming up next, have wikileaks founder julian assange, found himself a free man after years are pursued by the us government did i read this did i get it? where are my keys memory and thinking issues keep piling up it may be due to a buildup of amyloid plaques in the brain. >> is it more than normal aging.com how could anyone possibly know that every single one of these pistachios is guaranteed to be wonderful by reading right here wonderful pistachios or the pistachios that are wonderful. but the word wonderful on them. >> at fisher investments, we may look like other money managers, but we're different.
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assange, bells from british jail. >> and now hours from completing a plea deal. >> but the us department of justice accused of playing a role in one of the biggest security breaches in us history. stray assange was essentially on the run from the de has wikileaks first published u.s. secrets in 2010. initially about the war in iraq including this video of a us apache gunship killing iraqi civilians. and to journalists his next release thousands of secret documents about the afghan war. then a massive data dump of sensitive global u.s. diplomatic communications tens of thousands of secrets in the wind, lives of spies potentially compromised wikileaks. i love wikileaks perhaps most consequentially,
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while on the lam in london in 2016 publishing leaked emails from the democratic national committee and hillary clinton's campaign manager. >> during have presidential election campaign against donald trump for 14 years, assange was a fugitive, first fleeing sweden following a 2010 arrest warrant linked her rape allegations, which he denied landing in the uk, sun facing extradition back to sweden. eventually jumping uk bailyn, 2012 taking asylum in the ecuadorian embassy in london and courageous american, ultimately wearing out his welcome, expelled seven years later, promptly arrested, taken to the uk's maximum security belmarsh prison facing and fighting extradition to the united states. it's wednesday,
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the 19th of june. >> his wife, who is also as lawyer and mother of his two children, who was outside is uk gel just a few days ago. now, waiting for him in australia, it will be the first time that i that i get to see him as a fully free man. all this is, it's so alien to the way we've we've it's been until now for the past 14 years, his freedom, it seems in part due to diplomacy regardless of the views that people have about mr. assange's activities, the case has dragged on for too long there's nothing to be gained by his continued conservation and we want him brought home to australia in recent weeks, australia's prime minister increasingly advocating for assange's return. >> the white house denying it had any involvement in the plea agreement ironically assange's
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get out of jail deal. a better kept secret than his historic leaks he was on the plane heading towards home hours before the news broke what we're just beginning to get a few more details of what assange was thinking during that whole process of the release of all that information, the judge asked them what crime he thought he'd committed. it already said that he was guilty of a crime and the judgments drilling down and sounds said that it was his job as a journalist essentially to encourage sources to provide information and push that information to the public. he said he felt that the first amendment was contradicting the espionage act or the excepted that would be difficult to prove in court. but that seems to be where his landing his argument for what he did and why you did it, anderson. >> all all right. nic robertson. thank you. we have
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more details now on this deal assad's reach. i'm drawn by cnn senior justice correspondent amperes. so what more of you learned? >> what anderson this is a deal that has been in the making, obviously for for for more than a decade. there have been discussions between assange's lawyers and the justice department over the years, and always they never seem to go anywhere, but in the last three years, you, you see the australian government as nick just pointed out, getting more involved and last october, for instance, anthony albany is the prime minister of australia, brought it up directly with president biden. you've seen certainly in the last couple of years, every time australian officials met with us officials, they brought it up i'm told back in april, anderson there was a letter that was written promise training australian officials to attorney general merrick garland, suggesting an outline of a possible deal, something that looks a lot like what they ended up arriving at. and then of course, there was in may where the justice department had one last effort to try to
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get the high court in london to get him extradited to the united states. that failed that i believe at least from talking to two sources, anderson was really the impetus to try to make this deal happen in the last couple of weeks was the felony charges sticking point for us officials absolutely one of the things that we've heard repeatedly from assange's side was that he didn't want to he didn't i want to plead guilty to a felony. >> he wanted to he would agree to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. and certainly inside the justice department, enter the fbi. they were opposed to anything that did not look like a felony. there was also some officials who believe that he should come back to the states and actually served at least some prison time in the united states. keep in mind, there's also the fact that he served essentially five years in british prison trying to fight that extradition and that's about the time that you would get for this crime if you were to be found guilty. so in the end, that's the reason why you see this deal worked out
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the way it didn't. of course, one of the last things that assange insisted on anderson was that he wanted to make sure but he did not come to court in the continental united states. that's why they chose that court inside pan. >> i've impressed. thanks so much. coming up next and up-close look at that $230 million pier built by the us military along the gaza coast. that's finally operational, but has been plagued by problems did you know sling as your favorite news programs for just $40 a month my favorite news, but just $40 a month my favorite searches $40 a month. please for. >> $40 a month? sling lets you do with priceline vip family. you can unlock deals five times faster. you don't even have to be an actual family. >> i'd be the dad on the day physically, it's clear that i'm the dad. okay. so which data is pain?
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started today accustoming.com the source, but kaitlan collins next tonight, a dire warning on the humanitarian crisis in gaza, according to a new report from a un back room, nearly half a million people in gaza face starvation. >> and there's a risk of famine while food shipments increased in the north, not enough is getting to those in need the us military launched a temporary pier along the coast in mid mid may. it's now back in place after being taken a commission because of rough seas for the first time, cnn's jeremy diamond got an up-close look at the pier we do that. >> you'll see with a lot of different bridging systems
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here, from shipped to peer aid trucks are rolling into gaza interlocking still platforms rule or with each passing wave but after weeks of mishaps, the us military's $230 million pier off the coast of gaza is finally operational. >> but this aid isn't actually feeding anyone in gaza, at least not yet. we're currently aboard the us military floating pier off the gaza coastline yesterday, the military said as they were able to get about 800 pallets of aid off of this pier and into gaza. but the problem now is the world food program, which is supposed to be picking up that aid. they say the security conditions just aren't there for them to be able to pick up that aid and attributed to the people of gaza. >> these are some of the now more than 6,000 pallets of humanitarian aid. the us military says, are sitting in an open-air warehouse across from the pier world food
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programme paused its operations at the pier more than two weeks ago, citing safety concerns across gaza humanitarian aid groups say israeli military operations and arise and lawlessness and looting, or bringing their aid operations to a crawl and it couldn't come at a worse time. >> as experts say, people in gaza are once again at high risk of famine the us military invited cnn to the pier for the first time to show how it is ramping up the flow of aid to gaza and how it is getting this beleaguered project back on track. >> after rough weather damaged and took the peer out of service for weeks. >> the sea is a difficult task, mistress unpredictable. each wave is different than the last so dealing with that as a challenge, but we've adapted to that. and i think we're in a better position now than we were initially about 40 truckloads are now arriving get the pier each day, feel well
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short of the military's initial estimates of 90 to 150 a complex effort, eight officials say would have been best spent pressuring israel to get more aid in by land. >> is this was never meant to be a long-term solution to the problem. this was meant to be one more way until we could find ways to open those gates up to get that pressure to open the gates, access to the us pier also provided a rare vantage of the destruction to gaza's coast. >> it really is remarkable to see the gaza coastline up close like this after nearly nine months of war, all we can see along the shoreline, our buildings that are either completely flattened, completely destroyed, or those that are simply shells of themselves. it is also the daily backdrop for us soldiers sergeant ebrahim barry practicing muslim, who started working on the pier operation in march during the holy muslim month of ramadan, knowing that they're going through his harsh conditions and still
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facet. >> still holding on to that faith. and getting a little bit that they can that's why it was another mode of motivation right there and look, anderson, people like sergeant barry have done their part. >> they've gotten the aid off of these ships onto the pier and then onto the gaza coast. now the question is, what are leaders in the united states and israel in gaza going to do to improve the conditions on the ground for the district? yu-shun of this age. so that groups like the world food programme can go to this pier and pick up the aid and start distributing it to those in need and tonight, united nations is saying that it is raising concerns with the israelis about a security coordination at those landlords as well with the top un spokesman warning that the risks frankly, he says, are becoming increasingly intolerable on the ground. anderson jeremy diamond. thank you very much. that's it for us. the news continues. the source when kaitlan collins starts now
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