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>> when you saw his guilty plea, were you surprised? do you think the criticism has been fair because brain court might take this up. what's the outcome though? how's that for a clipping on america lower coats live next on cnn closed captioning is brought to you by you, cora, help maintain a healthy urinary tract with you, cora having utis for ten years, you cora, we make uti relief products. >> we also make proactive urinary tract tried to health products. you core is a life stage write today at your core.com well good. evening everyone and welcome to a special edition of lara codes live. this is the stage at cnn's atlanta headquarters. were history will be made tomorrow night. the earliest presidential debate ever. it was also the longest presidential campaign he never for a lot of people feeling that way as well, but only eight feet. we're going to separate donald trump and joe biden. but on visions for the

country, they would hit, they could not be further apart both men have a lot at stake and i do mean a lot this election for months now has really been a game of inches. the polls, well, they have barely budged the race, essentially deadlocked. it's anyone's to win or lose for that matter. so could tomorrow change everything and are the candidates ready? and most importantly, will it change any voter's minds are just make them up. just a few moments. i'll speak to top insiders from biden and trump world congressman jim clyburn, when a president biden's top allies and congressman byron donalds, it potential vp contender for donald trump. now remember, the last time trump and biden shared a stage? the world was a different place, shall we say? roe v wade was still the law of the land. and so abortion, it might surprise you to know never even came up in their 2020 debates, not once the economy was in a covid tailspin. and so there was really no talk of inflation.

that word never came up either. the attack on the capitol on january 6, 2021, that would still be months away. and so the threat to democracy was not mentioned, not once so if you're still clinging to your 2020 debate bingo board, you may as well throw that one out because tomorrow it will be different. let's get right to lauren tomlinson, a former deputy assistant secretary at the homeland security department in the trump administration paul bogart was also here, a cnn legal commentator and democratic strategists hello garcia navarro, a cnn contributor and new york times journalists and podcast host, and bryan lanza, a former deputy communications director for the trump 2016 campaign. now all of you are probably going they waited, mentioned abortion or inflation once during that. yes, we went back and checked again. it's pretty stunning to think about how much has changed in the past four years there is a lot of talk now about the performative aspects that biden is going to try to break that

fourth wall. look right to camera, create that audience connection. but the substance is going to be the real important part, whether it's immigration, it's going to be about how will he actually when this about the economy and beyond is that the right technique or is he chitty look backwards a little bit at the trump chaos. >> oh, i'm not looking backwards at all at all. in fact, both these guys need to obey clinton's laws. bill clinton at two iron laws about politics. you've taught me it's still apply today. first election is about the future, not the past. second, elections are about the voters lives not ours. i love joe biden. neither of those guys are obeying the laws right now mr. trump, ali talks about or grievances and he thinks selections are at blah, blah. it's all about the past. it's all by himself and joe talks too much about his accomplishments, frankly, i think there'd been great, but it's not where voters are. they want to know about tomorrow. so both of these guys to do that, i think it's a good i hope your sources are right. i'm sure there it's a good idea for biden to look right in the camera talked directly tie audience, his superpowers empathy is a deeply empathetic

guy. and again, maybe i'm not being fair because i don't really like trump. he strikes me as somewhat self-absorbed so i think if biden says, look, i'm for you and he's from self, that's a really good way to frame up the election good doesn't seem a little candle. >> i mean, that thing when people turn to the camera, like i am now and say, i'm speaking to you the people. it can feel you move. >> 49 good it feels a little performative and i former it is performative, but it can, but i think the problem here is, is it you're not going to have an audience. >> you don't have that energy going back and forth. so you're trying to manufacture that connection with the voter. and i think really what people are really looking for is what's going to happen between the two men on stage. and the dynamic between them less i think trying to connect with the viewer and more about what's going to happen between the two. well, there's also the moment though, you think about, i want to bring you into this, lauren, when you think about trying to appeal to the audience, it's not really

present, but they know that that's who they have to convince and possibly persuade. and the issues of focus. i mean, if that's going to keep biden in line and focused on what he should be focused on according to strategists and beyond. how about trump? his focus. they want him focused on kitchen table issues. they don't want them focused on his personal grievances and beyond is it going to listen to that? and is that the right strategy for him? we've seen a much more disciplined trump this election cycle compared to 2020, for example, and he has the benefit of not currently being president, which we know is a little bit more difficult to prepare for debates when you're having to run the country. so he's had time to think about this time to repair. you've all seen the reports and cnn has been talking about the policy discussions that he's been having. so i do think we're going to see a more disciplined trump either for it or not because of the mic situation. but, you know, going back to your point about if it's performative and if they should be speaking directly to the camera, they should, because so much of the media environment is fractured, right now that

the main goal for the campaigns here is going to get good sound bites because they're going give me splicing it and sending it out on social media. and they're going to be sending it out on paid advertisements, text messages, et cetera which is going to be vastly more impactful than the current viewership of whatever it ends up being tomorrow night. most of the voters, this very small percentage of people who are going to be persuadable, they're not paying attention. it's fourth of july holiday they've got kids. they're not looking at this and thinking, oh, the elections in november, i'm not going to watch this. so it's going to be that second round. that's really going to make an impact for the campaigns on if they can actually move the needle and make an impact for the election. what do you think is both true? i mean, the idea of people i think when hillary clinton and trump debated the first time was like at 4 million views or viewers at that moment in time. and of course, it does have the shelf-life you speak about and will be repackaged in different ways. but i wonder how you see this idea of the performative aspect. but really the performance that needs to be done by both candidates to get

that sort of sound. >> i think debates, you're assuming i heard one of your guests aid in the past? that's really it's like a boxing match. the bug, the big punches is what everybody remembers. and i think you need to see those big punches. and a lot of them exist on both sides. you have two records. you have one presidential record from president trump. you have another presidential record from joe biden. that's never happened before. so you could actually have real comparisons between these twos economic record, their inflation record, there in, their immigration record. heck, they're war record, their biden's watch. trump could easily say, under your watch, he nobody has respect for boundaries. the world's on fire. we have two wars. a third one about to start between the philippines and china. you're supposed to be the adults. you're calling me chaos there's wars under your watch, or you can say inflation, it's been your number one target for 36 months and you've never hit it 2%, you've never hit it, you're zero for 36. if you're a high school kid, he'd literally fail his first three years of school of high school. so there's just now just more than ever before, i think trump can happen. it

can hit those blows. i think i think going backwards as a mistake. i think people want to know inflation, immigration, these wars that i'm care about january 6, they care a little bit about, i guess you've seen it more an uptick of democracy that to democracy, but we've learned now is that voters actually trends president trump or than they trudged president biden with the threat-to-democr acy. >> i did see that new poll about it that very point. and i wonder if the idea of how both can be true. i think voters do care about the substantive policy issues. i think they also care about who is really the the head of the government and the head of the united states and how it plays for diplomatic reasons and foreign policy and beyond. and then there's a trigger is have you ever thought about the things that could trigger either them to derail themselves? i mean, you've got trump who? it doesn't take much to think about his triggers being personal grievances. the two tier justice system, but he speaks about if you're biden, it might be more personal with his son and beyond how to both sort of navigate. do you think those triggering elements and still present in a way that makes them win?

>> i mean, i think it is clear that one of the things that biden is going to want to do, apart from speaking to the camera and engaging with the voter is to try and trigger trump because he is very easily triggered. let's, let us not forget. i think he wants to remind people who he is and what he's dealing with here. i think the american people really haven't seen trump in this kind of format, as you've mentioned, they've been distracted, they haven't really been focusing on the election he's been doing a lot of rallies, but he's really been talking to his base, not to the american people in this which stage. and this is for many people, a man who really struggles with keeping on message. i mean, the amount of times that i've heard oh, this is going to be a disciplined trump. this is the man he's going to pivot to the middle. this is the moment friends. i mean i don't know you know, color me skeptical. while you've been colored they're all getting about thank everyone. standby. we have a lot more to talk about. this is gonna be historic moment tomorrow and don't miss the big debate jake tapper and dana

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campaign is closely monitoring what donald trump says, including his recent comments calling biden a quote, worthy debater, they say proves that he doing debate prep vein on both men face one huge question, how their age could factor into tomorrow's debate and the president is at one trump just for years younger at 78. >> so whoever wins, they will be the oldest president ever elected. with me. now a key surrogate for president biden and co-chair of the biden-harris campaign south carolina democratic congressman james clyburn. thank you so much for being here. congressman, how are you? >> i'm fine. thank you very much for having been there is a big debate tomorrow as you well know. and one of the things that promises and has frankly been a part of the discussion so in. the age of the candidates, only three years apart, frankly. but it has been noted that many believed that biden somehow is too old to be the president. why do you think that's resonating for him and not trump? >> well, i think that people

saw by in the soundbites these days and the fact of the matter is, i don't think that people focus enough on things that or ever present for instance, joe biden, as a chao, stuttered badly worked, very hard to overcome stuttering but you don't overcome that 100% and very often, when he rushed is the word out. in order to get said where they want said people see that as some sign of some gaffe or something of that sort and that resonates with some people. they don't seem to give people the benefit of what may visit their own homes and their own circumstances. if the case on the other in the other arena now, there's another problem. joe biden, who has

made it very clear that he has a disk problem one of my legs or saw than the other from an accident i had as a child. and so they a slight limp. sometimes you don't notice and sometimes you do these kinds of things. a lot of people assigned there own prejudices to it. and i think that a lot of that is what is weighing heavily in this race. >> you know, one of the things about our democracy that you have obviously voters who can make their decisions based on any number of factors you hope that they're making them off of substantive politics i see decisions about how they view the candidates positions, how they view their ability to get the job done. but there are superficial factors that play into all of this and you know, this has a politician quite well. one thing that was really interesting to me is there's his recent a washington post poll and it's a battleground states actually shows that voters should more likely to trust trump to protect

democracy. i mean, 44% to 33% and biden meanwhile has made democracy a cornerstone of his campaign that's not superficial in some way. that's not a physical characteristic of any kind. sudden age issue isn't surprising to you that there are voters who would trust democracy more in the hands of donald trump and biden well, put whole lot of stock in a lot oh the poland is taking place now. >> why is that well, because i have the experience of knowing what's sometimes happens people tend to look at these snapshots as being a trend. and there are trends and people don't always look at the question to the bn ask. and the way they are being asked. and that will the answer. >> there's there's one tactic. i wonder what you think about from president biden. there are some sources there telling cnn that biden is

likely to raise the felony convictions specific difficulty with donald trump, not to skirt around the issue, but to go directly add them for that. what do you think about that tactic isn't time if the gloves were ever on to take the gloves off and call those things out? >> well you should call those things out if you can relate them back to the candidate and i think biden can do that. well, not real. i don't know remember what trump said about hillary clinton. and what would be disqualified for her everything he said it would be disqualified for her. he is now guilty of every single thing. and so joe biden can just remind the public here's what a trump said in 2016 and now he is what he's saying again. so when you can tie the candidate to those kinds of things use it but just to throw it out there without any context. i'm not

too sure it's effective. i mean, gratuities, insults lead to provoke provocation, right? it's almost in someone like donald trump is someone who would likely invite that sort of conversation. and then maybe do real it. that'll be you have to watch out for but i want to go back to polls for a second because the former president has raised the issue of poland, particularly black men, that he believes he's making significant gains while you can judge him, cindy get or not getting the polling says so that there is some there's a poll out today, for example, it shows that trump was 19% of black voters drifting toward trump, nevada that's different than obviously much less than what biden has experienced. but you've been credited with resurrecting and propelling the biden campaign in south carolina. and among black voters, what do you think about the support that seems to be increasing for trump? among black voters well, i was in georgia over the weekend did five events in the 36 hour

period. well so infile zero support among black people for down trump so i have no idea who is being pulled but i don't believe for one moment the 19% of african american men are going to vote for down trump why would they? >> i think that when i hear people talking, some of the people that have been interviewed and you asking why you voted for trump is kind of interesting. they seem to be looking for some favor from trump it rather than freedom and that's what this campaign, that this is going to be about. this campaign is going to be about which candidate is offering freedom for the american people, the freedom to vote the freedom to make reproductive decisions, the freedom for free public education. these freedom as

opposed to the candidate that all he can talk about is a favorites. he can do for people. no one has ever heard chop off for one proposal that leads to the betterment of this country. are the betterment of people's families and communities, not single one and so i think that's what it's going to come down to. to the state that joe biden, again, look into the camera tomorrow night and say to the american people, he is with this proposal of mine will do for you here's what we'll do for your family. here's what it will do for your community. and then let the american people make up their minds joe biden has done it and donald trump. not so much. >> those two bookends, freedom and favor. i'll be looking to see how they both address that at the debate. thank you so much for joining me tonight. congressman james clyburn. thank you. thank you. >> well we've heard from

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well several of donald trump's vp contenders, they are set to be in atlanta for the first presidential debate and joining me now is one of them, florida republican congressman byron donalds, congress welcome back. >> and how are you this evening? >> i'm doing good. laura's great to be with you this evening. >> good to see. i mean, you have said that the former president as frankly, we're hearing from people who have helped to prep him as well, that he has got a focus on the economy. he's got to focus on immigration. he's got to focus on foreign policy in order to be successful and to appeal hello, to the widest swath of voters in a general election. do you think that the former president donald trump will stay on those messages i absolutely do. >> the reason why is because joe biden has no defense for what he has done to america. inflation has destroyed the purchasing power of all americans are open, wide, open border not only has it allowed for tens of millions of people

to come into the country illegally, but it has given operational control of our southern border to the drug cartels in northern mexico. when you look at the world abroad under president trump, we were actually ending conflicts, winding them down finishing them no new wars. there are now two hot conflicts around the globe where if joe biden wasn't true leader, we wouldn't be in this point in the first place. i believe donald trump is going to make that case to the american people. it will be a clear distinction between a 45th president and 46th president. >> i'll president biden is going to have to address those concerns and also tried to convey and persuade to the american voters that he is not responsible for the conflicts in which will be raised in the conversation and address fulsome only what you've just talked about. but there is a potential as you have described, those various things both candidates have been the president of the united states and both will have opportunities to have their records question, what do you think is the achilles heel for trump? but he is going to have to contend with in terms of

what biden could go after him about. it? >> well, obviously it has been widely reported. joe biden's going to go after the travesty that happened and in lower manhattan about a month ago. of course, he's going to try to talk about january 6, but january 6, 2021 is almost four years ago. the american people have been suffering under the presidency of joe biden. so when it comes to the american voter, what does a change in leadership in the white house means, it means a better economy. it means prices under control. it means a secure border that is all the things that you need for a prosperous country going forward. those are the kitchen table issues that the american people care about provided trump will focus on the issues and be responsive to that. >> but up till now, we have seen frankly a lot of conversation from the former president at rallies in interviews and beyond where he is focused less on kitchen table issues that you're describing congressmen and more on personal grievances, particularly as it relates to

his own legal troubles. do you think that that is going to be something that he will try to continue to convey. during the debate. and if he does so, does that undermine his ability to convince the potentially persuadable voters that he is focused on them, not himself. >> well, not laura. this is where i'm going to push back because i've been on the trail with the president i've listened to his words, whether it was detroit, whether it was the south brock's, whether it was philadelphia. i've seen him make this case to the american people time and time again. of course, he talks about what happens in lower manhattan, because at the end of the de, his constitutional rights were violated in that courtroom in manhattan. and every legal commentator, virtually every legal scholar, all agree that that case is going to be overturned at the appellate level because he didn't even know what he was defending himself against the supreme court, just came out the other day and said that if you're going to try to convict somebody there, that the jury

has to be consistent about the actual crime that did not occur in lower manhattan. but at the end of the day, donald trump, of course, he taught talks about it. but the overwhelming message is about what his administration when he comes back as the 47th president, is going to mean for the american people. and i guarantee you this. it will be significantly better for all americans than the joe biden, kamala harris administration. >> just for the edification of the audience, you're talking about the nuance so the new york jury instruction where they did not have to agree on the underlying predicate crime that would elevate it from a misdemeanor to a felony. but they had to be unanimous in their overall decision. i'll be very curious to see how that plays out at the appellate level. and of course, what the supreme court has to say about a very pressing issue, right now. but to refocus on an issue, talk about and justice system certainly he has talked about more than just that. but there was a moment today that's been getting a lot of attention, congressman, and you were leading a roundtable discussion at a barbershop down atlanta. and although there's

been a lot made about what trump has said, i want to play for everyone what a black voters say when he raised his own concerns about there being a two tier justice system listened to what he said as the voter about defendant's feeling. similarly railroaded his words, but prosecutors and a part of what trump had to say what can we do about those fani willis is an alvin bragg did you know right now send in some poor black person to jail for something? >> what do you know? it's an amazing thing when this happened and as you saw all the legal scholars say but that case is he's are the cases should be brought. the black support has gone through the roof and i guess they equated to problems that they've had but since this has happened like the mug shot, the mug shot is the best set. >> now of course, he went on to talk about the mug shot and the popularity of it but i was interested in the fact that he

didn't fully answered the question that was addressed by the voter. and so i'm wondering from you and your conversations and in your, you've been are the campaign trail with him? what specifically is trump prepared to do to try to address inequality and inequities in our justice system for the average defendant as the voter, we're speaking about and not for himself, who is situated quite distinctly as a former president well, first and foremost, in that issue, obviously we've had issues in the justice system for a long, long time. now you're seeing it with a political lens. i think what the president wants to make sure we do is that your next attorney general, the political appointees at main justice, and in working with governors around the country you want to make sure that you have a term and his generals, you want to have district attorneys who were following the law and not trying to trying to beef up their conviction rate. they want to follow the law. and had followed the actual evidence that chain of evidence that kind of leadership starts at the top and i will also add, when you have a situation like

we've seen, where you have a guy like matthew colangelo's who left mainland justice, the number three spot to go be a front-line prosecutor. if you allow that kind of behavior to continue within our system of justice, you're not going to be able to achieve what i believe everybody wants, which is a blind justice system affair justice system that follows the facts and doesn't want to prosecute people, whether they might be black weather there might be of a different race or creed, or religion, or whether it might be for a political purpose, nobody wants to see that in america. donald trump doesn't want to see that in america. and so it starts with the people you put into main justice and working with governors around the country, attorney generals around the company, around the country, excuse me. to make sure that the rule of law is followed and that there's not a respecter of persons who you're talking to a former prosecutor who served both in manchester's under republican and democratic administrations, and as a line attorney and where garlin has refuted the notions that colangelo's was somehow, or that he was somehow put in that position? but your larger point

about the way in which political appointments are going to factor in is very important for voters to consider and likely to be addressed. this debate, i know we have very limited time, but i have to ask you because you are often now the preface for your name, not only congressmen, but also is somebody on the shortlist for the the p candidate. i won't ask you the obvious of whether you would want to take the position, but you have received vetting materials. i understand. and i'm really interested on the kinds of information they're seeking from you. did they give you any insight into the kind of candidate that they are seeking as a running mate? >> well, laura, and to be completely direct with you, i don't talk about that. i think it's i want to be respectful of the trump campaign and what they're trying to accomplish. i don't want to be nosy and i want you to answer would they asked you about i know. i know. but i'm not going to do it because they have a lot of things that they're trying to consider and i want to respect fact that i will say that i

believe that what the president is going to do, he's going to make the right choice. number one, i believe he's going to have a vice presidential nominee who's going to be able to not only hit the campaign trail with him, but then also when the time arises, when the need is there, when you have to criss crisscross the country, be able to take the president's agenda to all voters? through our country and then being successful this november, donald trump is back at as the 47th president, having a pardon, who can help get the agenda accomplished, because campaigns are great, they're fund to cover. but at the end of the day, it's getting the business of the american people accomplished on capitol hill, very difficult thing. and i know that the president once a partner with him in the white house, are able to get that done congressman byron donalds. thank you so much for joining me. >> thank you i had a big oops from the supreme court new reporting that they mistakenly posted a key document over the idaho's strict abortion law what could it mean for women in tomorrow's debate next as a

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three-to-one three-to-one. today, the cnn presidential debate tomorrow night at nine live on cnn and streaming on max the supreme court, making a pretty big mistake today and revealing what could be a significant ruling on abortion

bloomberg news is reporting the court accidentally posted a document showing a decision that would temporarily allow emergency abortions in idaho. it would reverse the court's earlier order that allowed a strict item oh abortion ban to go into effect that ban outlawed abortions except in cases where the woman's life was at stake. but not are overall health. i want to bring in tiffany write a former law clerk for justice, sonia sotomayor, and the rest of my panelists also back with us, first saw pretty civic good to have this type of snafu and the skeptic in me says hope put that up there? the second part about though is what actually this means. they did not play decide this issue yet. why not so thoughts and prayers first, the poor employee and the publications unit who accidentally released this opinion. it is very unusual as for the opinion itself, i think it's a john roberts special which is trash in a gift box and he's hoping we all pay so much attention. so the gift that we don't notice the trash, this has an opinion that kicks it back to the lower court on procedural not

substance of grounds, which means that the issue is not decided, which means and many of the justices wrote roadmaps for how to get it back to the court after the election, right? so this is an opinion that says to the electorate on the day before the debate, nothing to worry about. we're preserving access to abortion, but that is a lie. and we should pay close attention to what's really happening. the timing of it does raise eyebrows and decision to have pointed back. i'm teachable grounds that happens all the time in cases, but this is a particularly i guess you are alarmed elections. do you think that this is an intentional act to allow this to be visit again, this would be the second case since dobbs it's the second case and also the second case where they've decided it not on the substance, but on procedure. and in both cases, if this turns out to be the final opinion, there, a roadmaps for hey, not this case, but here's how you can get as those procedural hurdles next time, here is how you should write your brief hairs. the exact issue you should raise, which is what many of the separate writings did today. so we're going to see this come back to the court. and i don't think that the

rulings on the substance are gonna be as good as the one that we are getting. this term. >> great point to raise high as it played politically to think that this is going to be the proverbial can down the road. i think the more important thing is it shows today that if the supreme court decision or the date the morning after pill in this decision, it's not the extreme court that everybody said it was. it actually showed some moderation because if it would didn't have that moderation would have would have banned the day after pill. it would have actually been talking about, yeah, absolutely. it would have 100%, true. i mean, extreme would have done i are extreme nine today. >> no, i think what you're seeing is exactly what was being said, which is that they are trying to tamp down the expectation that this is an extreme court. they understand that they're in a political moment and they're kicking the can down the road and they're waiting for their for their moment to actually act and for anyone to think that that these issues are not going to be revisited later on. and for

those who care about are gonna be revisited? no, but i mean, but this is but this is a court that has been very clear in its agenda when it comes to reproductive rights. and so i think people shouldn't be fooled by what has just happened. >> i think the voters who are going to decide this election or not reading this as carefully as brian. okay. any discussion of abortion, joe biden wins. any discussion of the supreme court. joe biden wins. now, that's a sea-change force. we will 68 years republicans ran against the supreme court ever since 1954, when they took the radical position that black people equal to white people and the public schools, brown versus board from brown versus board until the day before dobbs, republicans ran against the court and they want hillary tried to warn us in the debate. she said, he's going to appoint justices will overturn roe. we didn't listen republicans to their credit. many more republicans who voted for trump said that was because the court, than those who voted for hillary, based on the court, that's all changed. there's a perception of corruption with this court. there's a perception of extremism with this court, and there's

perception of real right-wing bias of open bias when we have justices, spouses apparently flying insurrection is flags it's all good for joe. you're an alum, you're nodding. i agree. i think it's absolutely right. this is a decision that's going to show to the american people how much is at stake in this election. and the tables have turned on who it matters to as they say, election certainly matter in the supreme court yet again, maybe invisible ink on the ballot. thank you to everyone here. up next paris hilton speaking on capitol hill and sharing her story about how she was abused at a boarding school for so-called troubled teens. now, she's spot fighting for better protections for kids in child welfare programs. and she's here to talk about it in just a moment iphone 12. >> it's super fast, five g and a dual camera system then get real unlimited data on the silver unlimited plan for just $20 a month for a whole year? that's $300 in savings less dollars, more sets. now with

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>> the cnn presidential debate tomorrow netted nine live on cnn and streaming on max from the simple life to a life of advocacy. >> paris hilton testifying on capitol hill today in an effort to shine a bright light on the abuse that many young people can experience and youth residential treatment i think programs and she's here to talk about it with me. it's an issue she is deeply passionate about because she unfortunately experienced at herself is it's only as are meant to help kids dealing with behavioral or substance abuse issues and a number of other issues as well. but listen to what paris hilton told lawmakers she actually went through at one of these facilities when i was 16-years-old. i was ripped from my bed in the middle of the night and transported across state lines to the first of four youth residential treatment facilities. these programs promised healing, growth, and support. but instead to not allow me to speak, move freely, or even look out a window for two

years. i was force-fed medications and sexually abused by the staff i was violently restrained and drag down hallways strip naked, and thrown into solitary confinement my parents were completely deceived, lied to, and manipulated by this for profit industry about the inhumane treatment i was experiencing actress and activist paris hilton joins me now, paris, i'm so glad that you are here shining a light on this i mean, when you hear how you've described what your experiences is truly unimaginable. i really am curious as to why you feel so strongly now about speaking up and speaking out about what's happened this was something that was so traumatizing it took me 20 years to even speak about it out loud. >> and the reason that i'm advocating for this is because after finding out there are hundreds of thousands of children that are going through

this every single year. and this is now turned into a $23,000,000,000 a year industry and children are dying in the name of treatment. so i knew i needed to use my voice i mean, just thinking about upwards of 200,000 at any given year, there could be people facing this, right now. and to have a billion-dollar industry. i mean, it's, it is a for profit industry, but i suspect many parents think that they're helping their child, but this is an organization that has only the purest of intentions collectively, but that's not what you've experienced no. >> my family. they were told it was an emotional growth boarding school that i would be riding horses and they had these advertisements that had rainbows and made it look like this amazing healing place. and i wasn't even a bad kid. i was sneaking out at night, getting bad grades. i have adhd, which people weren't talking about back then and this is where they recommended that i go these people who get paid commissions for each child to

be sent to these places. and my parents were completely deceived. and if this could happen to me, i can't even imagine what's happening to these poor foster children who have no one to support them. they have no one checking in on them. it's just completely heartbreaking just to hear all the horrific things that are happening do you think it's a matter of i'm obviously it comes down to power and hiding and not having transparency around this but you've been outspoken at the state level in places like utah and your home home state of california, you've now come to capitol hill to talk about this issue. i wonder what your experience has been like. paris trying to get lawmakers to listen, to, try to make some substantive changes. i've been fighting for this cause for the past four years and four years ago, people were not talking about this, but since then, there's been so much impact made. i have changed nine state laws and now i have my bill, the stop institutional child abuse

act which will hopefully be passed this year. so i'm calling on congress that we need to pass this bill because children are dying in these places as recently as february a 12-year-old just passed away from being locked into attend and suffocating and today in the media, they found out that it was a homicide. oh my god i mean, for every store you talk about, it can imagine so many people saying, i've never heard about this. why am i not hearing more about this? i want to know more about this bill because it's bipartisan, least supported, is good bicameral, right? there's a number of people who are looking at into it. you testified for hours on the hill trying to help people understand the issue do you feel like they are understanding and listening not just giving lip service? >> i feel that they are understanding this is my six time here on the hill. de been talking to legislators, to senators, and letting them know what's happening because a lot

of them were not aware of all the abuses that were happening in these places because people haven't been believed you know, they call them troubled kids. so immediately there's a stigma and people are not listening to their stories, but ever since i've told my story, it's started this entire movement of survivors. and it's just been incredible for us all coming together and using our voices and making a difference and i really believe that god maybe, maybe go through that and gave me a special gift so that i can be the hero that i needed when i was a little girl. thank you so much for joining me in sharing this experience. it's difficult to hear. but you're saving other lives. so thank you. thank you. he's not much and thank you all for watching anderson cooper 360 is next let me introduce you to class 500 lean to it is an easy to use trading app that gives you a glimpse into the future of

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