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reached a ceiling. so i enrolled in um, gc i would not be the person we are now fewer than seven hours away from cnn's presidential debate world headquarters in atlanta. and very soon president biden is expected to arrive here in atlanta for this highly anticipated face off with former president trump now, this is video of the presidential debate stage. and you saw cnn teams. they're putting the finishing touches. now, this is video of president biden getting off of marine one at joint base andrews and route to georgia, trump is expected to arrive here at the debate side a few hours later, but before the action kicks off tonight, both campaigns have been churning out attack ads potentially previewing the line of attacks

that we may see after both candidates take the stage. let's bring in cnn's mj lee live from when the cnn debate site. all right. mj, the supreme court just issued this ruling on emergency abortions in idaho. we did get a glimpse yesterday it is now officially out today. this can have a huge impact on the 2024 race and maybe on this debate house, the biden team responding yeah, briana, there's no question that reproductive rights was always going to be a top issue for president biden heading into tonight, it is in fact, one of the top top-three domestic issues of the campaign has made clear is really a top priority for them where they think there is political saliency, where they think they can really draw a sharp contrast between the president and the former president in a qian to issues related to the economy and democracy and just to give you a sense of how much the biden team is really leaning into this issue. >> this new campaign ad that they just released earlier was actually already prepped, ready

to be rolled down out whenever the supreme court ruling came out. and it features a testimonial from a high risk ob doctor in idaho who said that she physically left the state after treating her patients. that because she was afraid that she could be criminally charged. and she said that the laws in her state are barbaric. given that in an image medical emergency, every second matters. take a listen two years ago, trump overturned roe v wade because of the abortion bans across the country, women's lives are at risk physicians could be tried with a felony. >> 4, saving that woman's life too early. this kind of impassion testimony from a doctor like this is kind of a familiar move from the biden campaign at this point they very much a leaned into the strategy of using a individual voices, highlighting individual stories to paint a picture of the real-world consequences of roe being overturned. and i

think the ad and how it was rolled out as a good reminder to that for the body and campaign, their message on this issue is going to remain the same regardless of individual legal rulings and decisions. and that is that individual rights and freedoms were taken away under donald trump and more could be taken away if there was a second, trump term app the white house and mj, that obviously is going to be one of the lines of attack from president biden tonight. he's been camped out at camp david practicing for this debate now for several days, what can you tell us about the broader strategy and what his team is anticipating? >> yep. or as he has just boarded air force one, he is making his way now here to atlanta. and really this is the first time that we have seen him in public in days, and we have been reporting over the past week on any detail that we can find out about what's been going on at camp david in these debate prep sessions i think what has been really clear, what has been the biden team's

ethos is really that they want to leave nothing to chance. they have been trying to prepare the president for really any issue under the sun that could come up and really trying to prepare the president two for any version of donald trump that could emerge on the debate stage tonight and unhinged just off former president or a more disciplined and on message donald trump and including one that might be throwing insults and personal attacks, including about members of the president's family. and they are just wanting to use tonight to make the case to the american voters that there is going to be a binary choice come november and that president biden, in their view, is the only acceptable choice on election day mj lee, thank you for that report will be checking in with christian homes and the trump campaign here in a moment. yeah. so let's discuss tonight's historic debate and the implications with our panel of experts. thank you so much for waiting around for us. gloria, this issue of abortion central

to the biden argument for reelection how do you think the supreme court decision might play into the debate tonight? >> well, i think it's going to play into it in a big way because joe biden is going to make sure that abortion is front and center. but when people watch these debates and we've got experts here who have trained people on these on how to participate in them. i don't think there necessarily looking for that one issue. they're they're looking for a person's character. they're looking for a person's authenticity. they're looking to see how somebody approaches the person standing next to him how that would be president or president talks to them directly correctly. does he talked down to them? does he talk directly at them? does he appeal to them? i mean, there are all of these kind of character issues and they're sort of unknown, but people come away with a sense who won. we, we talk about who won, who

lost. people come away with a sense of does this person deserve to be in the oval office? can i live with this person for four more years? do i want to and i think that's really what people are looking for because as we've all pointed out, these are two pretty unpopular guys. so they have to do something to appeal to the folks who are watching, particularly those those in the middle, the independent voters who maybe undecided still do you think that's right, molly, it's not so much who they trust or who they're inspired by, but who they think they can handle as they watch these two tonight for the next four years. yeah. well, this is the depth that we have sunk to, right? it's like can you just tolerate this person? i know you don't like them. cupp, can you just put up with them for four years? i think laura is exactly right. i do think that the most successful debaters, the most successful candidates, the most successful campaigns, are the ones that are able to tie the character argument to a governing in argument. and we've seen the biden campaign

start to try to do this with the ad that they released in the last week or two, right. saying that the reason you should care that trump is a convicted felon is because they argue he is focused on his grievances and not on the people he's supposed to be taking care of. and so i think on an issue like abortion you may you see them try to do the same thing saying because of what we know about trump, because of they would argue he's not compassionate, he doesn't care about people. that is why you cannot trust him with these types of decisions. and so anything that puts abortion back on the front burner puts it in the news. the biden campaign feels it is helpful to them, even if it's a decision like this that preserves abortion access, it's another reminder of what states are doing on abortion. now that, you know, in trump's are meant he's returned to the issue to the states the flip side of that is if you're donald trump, you have to try to have a conversation about can you trust joe biden with the keys to this car? >> he has to get an a place where we're having to living

room conversation with the family about do we take grant balls keys away? i think most people have gone through in their lives with older relatives that's biden's biggest vulnerability tonight is looking like he's not up to the job and trump's task is to ease into that conversation and compassionate way that most americans will understand without a scene bombastic jamaal, i'm curious what you make of that characterization so they want to characterize the republicans like to characterize joe biden is kind of an early grandpa. i think most people who've worked with joe biden think of him as an elder statesman right? here's somebody who knows very well the mechanics of governing and they know the personalities and how to get them done. and we've seen the evidence that we've seen bipartisan legislation on infrastructure and environment on dealing with guns. and it's all happened. he's tried to have a bill and immigration republicans want attacking my immigration. the president had a bill, an immigration. it was bipartisan. the reason it didn't pass because donald trump blew it up. not because joe biden did. so that is the argument that i think this elder statesman who wants to preserve your freedoms and your choices versus donald trump to

take them away. the brad, if it is, i mean, this portrayal of biden as an elderly grandfather the thing that donald trump is so often evoked is that of the crazy uncle and we've heard that said time and again, how does he? >> combat that? in this appearance? because it is sometimes hard for him to not give into that impulse. we know it's funny and his, his rally in philadelphia this week and he asked the audience, as donald trump would want to do, he pulled the audience whether he should be really tough on to biden, or whether he should be nice to him. >> and so it's almost like trump is weighing this whole strategic after my? cooling, you want ice cream or do you want here we're seeing that's great. i think you're seeing an inner monologue for trump on stage, right? there wasn't really about pulling the crab. this is him trying to take his strategic approach and in the end joe biden is at 38% approval the challenger wins that election. that's how that's how it works. trump's job is to keep this on the

approval of joe biden. and i think that that question is going to bring out a little bit more disciplined and donald trump than we've seen lovingly. donald trump isn't exactly popular himself though. and that's, he may not be at 38%, but he's pretty low. and so how can he makes joe biden less popular without deflecting some of that to himself he's not known for nuance. and so how does he make people dislike joe biden more without disliking donald trump i'm curious, practical to go back to the conversation about the issue of abortion. donald trump has said something when speaking to republicans specifically about the issue that i think is enlightening. he said go with your heart. but remember that you have to get elected. that's an issue that's tricky for republicans and end tricky for him isn't it? well, donald trump's bit most of his adult life first approach choice democrat. so then it's kind of ironic joke. joe biden's a catholic who has spent much of his career pro-life or things are scrambled. i think donald trump has going to probably end

up moving the republican party's position in this to look more moderate spot in this election. he's already said reb, no federal, federal law under his tenure. but i think is best static strategy is going to be to try to take that issued the audience that matters to lower income non-college women and talk pivoted to inflation to other concerns and their life. that'll be the key test. and out of whether he's he's really a master of the pivot is to go back, take that audience that joe biden's targeting and go to a different issue. >> i just don't think donald trump is trustworthy on this question, right? he is the one who appointed the three justices that help get rid of roe v. wade he is also said in the past that he's 415 week abortion ban, which is a national abortion ban right you pick in the number, but it's a national abortion ban so now he's saying that that's necessarily true and people and so what he's arguing because i don't worry about what you actually believe, say what you need to say to win the election. that was exactly what people don't like about politics. >> let me ask you to play devil's advocate on that a little bit. i mean, the vast majority, more than 90% of

abortions are performed before that point. and then the other thing is when you look at this decision that became public today that we go get a glimpse at yesterday. two of the justices, brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett, are citing with the majority. now, this is something that is it's just sort of temporary, but it keeps in place this ability to provide this abortion care. and i wonder if that allows trump two point and say, yeah, my appointments were not so extreme. look what they just did. they are finding a middle ground. what do you say to that? >> i say it was the vice president, kamala harris says, very often when asked this question, that should be your decision left between a woman, her doctor, or the people that she loves and trust. and when she's just to include but not the government, not the government. there's no reason to have ron desantis, nick conversation or donald trump in the middle of a conversation. and if they believed that it's medically necessary or if it's necessary for whatever reason the woman chooses, then that's a decision for that group of people to make. it's not a decision for government officials to make. partly the response to this decision by

the supreme court, molly bye the biden team included the idea that the next president might choose to supreme court justices. we saw donald trump back in 2016, according evangelicals telling them, i will appoint supreme court justices who would overturn roe versus wade. how effective a promise is this? for president biden? >> i think frankly it's not that effective just because even if he were to appoint two supreme court justices, which i think is pretty unlikely, you cannot change the balance of this court. this is a 6-3 conservative court and i if those two supreme court justices who might retire, unlikely to be too conservative graves who he could nominate liberals in their place. so you know, in 2016, both trump and hillary clinton could credibly argue that they had the ability to direct the future of the court ideologically in one direction or another. i think the people who are making this decision on the basis of the future of the supreme court already know who they are voting for. i really doubt that there's a lot of supremum a lot of voters out there who wake up and say, oh, i wasn't

going to vote or i didn't know who i was going to vote for. but now that you tell me that's the supreme court either might get less, slightly less conservative or state or get even more conservative, but it'll still be as conservative court. i think that's a that's a hard and a very abstract argument to make. you know, the irony here is that neither of these candidates like to talk about abortion very much. >> it is a huge issue. it is the best issue that democrats have. it is an issue that has never made joe biden comfortable for the reasons that brad pointed out before. it is an issue that has never made donald trump comfortable because he used to be pro-choice. and now he's trying find that middle middle ground, that real estate deal in the middle. and neither are these guys like talking about it. but they're going to have to find a way to do that to appeal again to those voters who are still undecided about which person they're going to go with in the end, it's not an

easy conversation for these two men to have to thinking raised the stakes on the vice presidential choice as well because again, you have joe biden, kamala harris will probably harris much more comfortable talking about this all the time. and so if joe biden picks, i mean, if donald trump pick somebody who's doubled down on his position he actually is not reaching out to the rest of the country where 60 something percent of the country says that they don't want the government involved in the woman's right to make a choice about our health care? well, we never had an election. borden liberals voted on supreme court, conservative vote on supreme court all the time. >> i think we didn't the midterm well, we did we've never had a presidential election where that's happened. and so this would be the first one. it might be the first one. but in the end, the joe biden's problem is already there with this issue looming over it. he's still at 38%. why? because of immigration and the economy and so that's why i think we'll end up talking about tonight because he didn't fix that. there's nothing that can save them. >> this is just one of a slew of issues that we have to get through. so panel, please stand by. we're looking forward to

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election. and tonight for the first time ever a sitting president and a former president will square off on this debate stage it's happening before either is actually even nominated by their respective parties, making tonight even more truly historic. >> and president biden will be touching down just minutes from now north of atlanta and dobbins air reserve base donald trump expected to land here in a few hours. we have seen a national correspondent, kristen holmes, live for us in the cnn spin room or at christian trump is already attacking biden on social media. he's calling him a threat to the country for perhaps a preview of what's to come later. yeah, briana and remember donald trump's team is watching very closely what is coming out of camp david, in terms of news, a lot of this, a reaction to the fact that we have reported extensively from our white house team that biden is planning to go after donald trump on democracy. now also shows you a little bit if you look at a social media, how he's spending this de, leading

up to the actual debate. much of what he has been doing is criticizing cable news channels, spending a lot of time watching the actual lead up to the debate coverage. now, donald trump's allies hope that he doesn't spend a lot of time talking president joe biden on the stage tonight with personal vicious attacks, stuff we have heard him do a relentlessly and various rallies. but even though they want them to focus on the issues that didn't stop the campaign from putting out this ad today do you think the guy who was defeated by the stairs got taken down by his bike launched a fight with his jacket and regularly gets lost makes it four more years in the white house now as we have reported, donald trump's senior advisers are urging him to stay on message focused on three things in particular, the economy and inflation immigration, as well as crime rates. they just believed, looking at recent polling that he is better pulling in those

issues that in president joe biden, but they are preparing him for anything. i am told that they have gone over different answers for abortion for democracy, and particularly his role in january 6 and how he has talked about that insurrection on capitol hill. those allies around donald trump, they want them to stay focused on those issues. but any one of them will tell you they do not know who will show up. and tonight's debate stage and whether or not biden can get under donald trump skin that could change the dynamic in to that point, kristen, what are you hearing from sources about trump's mentality going into tonight? hi well, there's a lot of skepticism as to whether or not he can stay on message when i talked to various sources, allies, people who have spent time with him or talk to him on the phone in recent days, they say that he is very much aware of the gravity of this debate that he knows that he has to reach specific voters and he knows that what audiences want to see, what voters want to see from him is someone who can stay they on message. >> but the question still remains whether or not he can

actually do so. they are they say that they acknowledged that donald trump is often one to go off on rants to fall back on vicious personal attacks. but again, they have urged him to really focus just on the issues and move away from that and i know you've also talked to the trump team about tonight's format. >> kristin, how do they think this is going to impact the former president's performance? >> breanna, we have seen such a shift from the last couple of weeks of how they've talked about this format at first, it was a series of complaints, particularly about the fact that there was no live audience and there were muted mics when it came to the live audience they said the donald trump could not really feed off of anything if there was no audience and he gets a lot of his energy from that live audience. but in recent days, we've started to hear from allies who are actually looking forward to the fact that there's no live audience. remember what we actually see? in many of these rallies when he's quote, unquote feeding off of the audience, it's a lot of rambling, ranting, and going

off into topics like sharks or electrocution, things that his team doesn't really want to the sea from him today. again, they want him to stay on message that there is a hope there that not having an audience to go off of will keep him focused. the other part of this, those mute we did mike donald trump himself seems to have done some rare reflection during this time of debate prep, you said in one interview, do you think c was too aggressive with biden continued to interruptive to go after him a little too hard back in 2020. now, whether or not that changes his actual behavior, that'll be remains to be seen when we are talking to these people around donald trump, they're hoping that the muted mics might actually help with that not see this constant barrage of attacks, or at least here this constant barrage of attacks from donald trump christian, we shall see kristen holmes live for us from the spin room thank you. >> and still ahead, we're going to give you a behind the scenes look inside tonight's debate hall. stay with us for that the

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other states, prohibited the operation unless it was needed to save a mother's life. >> and moments ago, we just heard from attorney general merrick garland, he was reacting to today's ruling. let's listen to that days order means that while we continue to litigate our case women in idaho, will once again have access to the emergency care guaranteed to them under federal law. >> the justice department will continue to use every available tool to ensure that women in every state have access let's bring in cnn chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid and pauley. >> you hear the attorney general alluding to that this is only a temporary thing, right? at temporarily blocked idaho state law. the supreme court is sending this issue back to the lower courts in this really isn't settled at the core exactly. >> it's a technical win for the biden administration, but the bigger question that had

been presented to the high court of what do you do and you have very restrictive state law when it comes to abortion and a more permissive federal law which is the governing law that remains unanswered, right in idaho, they have their answer for now, but that's why justice ketanji brown jackson. she said, look, this is not a victory for abortion rights right now, doctors she said are in the dark about what the law requires of them. so even though this is a technical win for the biden administration, now, it's widely expected that this question likely in another forum, possibly from another or one of the states that has one of these restrictive laws will likely go before the justices again. and it's one of a series of technical wins that we've seen for the biden administration yesterday had another real technical when were they will be able to continue to flag misinformation or disinformation to social media companies it how did the election that is a significant power, but the court sidestep the larger first amendment issue and instead kicked out that case on standing. they did

the same with another big abortion-related case on mifepristone the drug used in medication, abortion, that was expected to be a big decision. this term. and instead, the justices sidestepped that larger question, kicking again the case out on standing. so even though the biden administration prevailed, and lot of these cases, this wind is temporary. i want to flag something else that we saw today. and that is losses for the biden administration because the court sort of making moves to limit federal power today, both at the sec and the epa and the reason that's significant is because one of the six major outstanding cases that we're still waiting for has to do with the power of federal agencies. look, it's not the sexiest case, not a lot of folks talking about it with the court what is widely expected to overturn decades of precedent and take decisions technical decisions that are usually made by federal agencies and return them to the courts. and that is something that would really change the entire way the government works. so that's a big case in the court kindness and includes

about which way they might go. now we expect to get more opinion it's tomorrow on monday, maybe even on tuesday, like i said, they still heavily six opinions outstanding checks. >> we will be waiting for those, paula reid. thank you so much. all right. let's talk about how things are going to work tonight. yeah, soon as production team has shared this demonstration with the campaigns and we want to share it with you so ruined fully understands how the debate is going to work. >> cnn's fill mattingly and victor blackwell filed this walk through welcome. said the cnn presidential debate. we want to give our viewers a sense the rules of the debate so that when they watch it, they can understand how president biden and president trump will be engaging with each other just after 9:00 p.m. eastern. president biden will enter from the right side of your screen president trump will enter from the left side of your screen. the podiums are eight feet apart directly across from them. the moderators, cnn's jake tapper and dana bash. now a reminder, this is a television studio. there's no audience candidates will have two minutes to answer

questions and one minute for responses and rebuttals. at the moderators discretion, there may be an additional minute for follow-ups, clarifications, or responses. so how does it candidate know how much time is left to speak attached to the cameras in the studio and in the candidates field of view or the timing lights when the light show yellow, there 15 seconds left and it candidates answer or response. when the lights flash red, there are five seconds left, and when the display is solid red, the time is up at that point, the candidates microphone will be turned off and the other candidate will have their microphone turned on. my colleague victor blackwell has more on that. thank you. feel if we go behind the podiums, you can see two green lights when they're own, they signal to the candidate. his microphone is on when the green lights are off, they signal to the candidate. his microphone is off now i want to give you a sense of what it will look like for viewers at home if it candidate whose microphone is off, interrupted candidate whose microphone is on. so i'm standing, get one podium and

i'll ask filled to come in and take the other podium. and so let's say i'm answering a question. my light is green and i'm speaking feels microphone is off and his green lights are not illuminated he did he's going to interrupt me as i'm speaking. and this is what it will sound like. my volume remains constant while fills interruption can be difficult to understand let's try the opposite. my microphone is now on victors microphone is off and he's going to interrupt me. my volume remains constant while victors interruption can be difficult to understand. we should note by agreeing to participate in this debate, both campaigns and candidates have also agreed to buy by these rules. the cnn presidential debate airs live at 9:00 p.m. eastern that was an excellent demonstration as you noted, while we were watching, it might be difficult for us at home to understand what the candidates are saying when the mic is off, but they can absolutely hear each other. >> there's no question about that. yeah. that'll be interesting to see how it played out. yeah. are thanks to fill and victor, it's worth

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foreign policy, usually not a voters top issue that's just the facts. but in recent history, we have not seen two candidates with such different visions for america's place in the world. and president biden's close advisors believe, emphasizing that stark contrast between biden and trump on foreign from policy could make a big difference. one biden campaign official telling cnn, quote, president biden stands up to dictators. trump is too dangerous and reckless to ever be anywhere close to the oval office again. but trump's advocates say under biden the middle east is now on fire, and trump is boasted that he will end the war and ukraine in 24 hours if he's reelected. let's talk now more about this topic of foreign policy with cnn global affairs analyst and former defense secretary under president trump, mark esper. we do note that he serves on the board or is a strategic advisor for some aerospace and defense related companies i just wonder what you think when you look get these two candidates where

they stand on western alliances, where they stand on defending the role of democracy in the world, where they stand on america being a military and economic leader across the globe, there is so many, there are so many differences. how much contrast you expect it will be displayed on this stage tonight yeah, sure thing. >> briana and you're right there is a lot of difference. i look at three things tonight. substance, style and stamina. and on the substance there are a lot of differences. there are some there are some similarities though, but i will tell you as you rightly said, typically foreign policy isn't a big issue, but the international turmoil that it's out there, the wars have brought that to americans television sets, newspapers, every single day. so it is an issue so when you look out there, you look at the conflict in ukraine and relate to that as nato, you see a very big difference. president biden is a big believer. nato wants to can you supporting ukraine and trump has taken opposite views

on both of those issues. and i think alliances is extend not just to europe, but also to asia then again, there's the war not in israel in gaza. and there are, there are some differences. they're both support israel, but i would argue that over the last nine months since the hamas attacked israel, you'd seen biden's position weakening with regard to his support and how he treats israel this issue ultimately gets into the bigger one which is iran. and many would argue that president biden hasn't had a clear policy on on iran whereas president trump has said he will return the maximum pressure on china. it's a place where you see some similarities. both 12 impose, impose tariffs on china. both will increase export controls. it'll be curious to see if the question is asked how they would respond to defending taiwan. but those are the main security issues. there are other issues after with regard to climate where there'll be very different positions.

energy policy, very different positions as well. and on defense, that'll be another one. of course, i'll be interested in, but president biden is his underfunded defense at a time when he rightly argues that we are now in an era of a great competition between the autocracies and democracies of the world president trump by suspect will argue something differently. so it's gonna be a very interesting evening to say the least. >> you have nato reinforcing their control of aid to ukraine against a potential trump second term, there's been i guess this emphasis by trump about the amount of money that goes to ukraine, how it goes to ukraine and questions about that, that is certainly been something that a large chunk of the electorate i think it has resonated with them. where do you see the vulnerabilities for these candidates tonight on this issue? >> well, i suspect president biden will argue that we are in a war against autocracies. i believe he's correct when we

look across the globe, but at beijing and moscow and what they're trying to do. and the question will be is how does, how does trump respond to that? how does he respond to allying a democracy like ukraine or one across the road and title wan to be bullied by a bigger neighbor. and what will his response be to that? i think you'll see pundits on both sides argue that this is really a contest of political contest between the isolationists and the internationalists in both camps, camps represented by trump and biden respectively. but that'll be a big issue and if my the census president trump are drawn to the fact that we have our debt, national debt is exploding it well over 32 trillion. so how can we afford to do all that i think we need to, of course, because america's leadership in the world matters. but this will be another place where you'll see a contrast between the two candidates. >> yeah, of course you saw a lot of spending ballooning under trump. we cannot ignore that despite the fact that traditionally republicans are more fiscally conservative or at least purport to be just

really quickly, i wonder if you can speak to whether you think will hear something about the role of the military because it was so different under the trump administration. the way he made decisions when it came to syria, for instance, or using the military on the border, or for domestic matters. and obviously there was continuation on the afghan exit between these two administrations as well. how do you think we're going to see that? it's a good question. i suspect that the moderators tonight we'll both want to really draw major differences between the two candidates. i met one, maybe there's less so a times both candidates have politicized the military. trump more so i think that biden both have deploy the military to the border i think the bigger issue on the border will be the number of crossings. the the escalation of eight to 10 million over the past four years, and immigration policy writ large, although no president biden is trying to tack back to a more moderate position on that. and then

certainly i think at some point the president trump is going to cite the fact that the withdrawal from afghanistan was abysmal. if i were biden, i would argue that you wanted to get out quickly as well, mr. president, so we'll see how that plays out, but that'll be an interesting dynamic with regard to the employment of the military. but the larger issue is what is america's role in the world and where we defend democracy and what we help out smaller democracies if you're trying to beat back this growing block of autocracies that are trying to impose their will and values around the world. >> yeah, there are so many differences, stark differences between these candidates. it'll be very interesting to see how that plays out. secretary esper, we appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks. briana. >> still ahead. what is the top issue that american say they're going to be voting on as a veteran campaign strategist once said, it's the economy stupid we break down the candidates plans on that front when we get back deliveries

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leah trimer sunday at nine on cnn heading into tonight's debate, brand new polling shows americans plan to base their vote on the economy more than any other issue. >> yeah, we know both campaigns have plans, of course, to tackle that issue tonight, president biden's advisers are urging him to go on the offense instead of touting his own record. >> donald trump's team wants him to hit biden on inflation. cnn reporter matt egan is joining us now on this. all right. matt break down each candidates economic plan will pour some briana no doubt the economy's gonna be front and center tonight. it really is the number one issue for voters and trump and biden. they've really differ on the economy. first, if you ask them about the current economy, they're gonna sound like they're on different planets, but they also really differ on their plan's going forward. let's look at the trump agenda first. he wants to lower the corporate tax rate, extend those 2017 tax cuts. he wants higher tariffs on all imports and on china. and this immigration crackdown the problem of course is those

first three points economists say that that would actually make inflation worse. trump also is advocated for energy dominance, more oil drilling less regulation. now, biden, he's got a very different agenda. he wants to raise taxes on the rich raise taxes on corporations. he's focused on lowering costs, although that's really the job of the federal reserve, he's pushing for clean energy and tougher regulation. now, i know that some voters are not satisfied with their choices in this election, but this much is clear. these two candidates, they have very different game plans for this economy. and i think even they would agree that the outcome of this election, of this election is going to have a major impact on what happens next in this economy. the stakes are massive so now we got the outline of the game plan, but remind us about these two candidates. track records well, that's of course going to be a point of contention in this election. >> and i think both of these candidates really have their strengths and their weaknesses

on the strengths part, it was jobs, both of them historically low. unemployment of very low under trump and under biden 4% unemployment right now, we just wrapped up the longest stretch of sub-4 percent. unemployment since the 1960s. of course, the problem under biden has been inflation the cost of living, the cost of borrow. it's way too high and that has made it so that people don't really like this economy that much. now, under trump listen, inflation was very, very low and people were feeling better about the economy before covid. and then of course, covid came unemployment skyrocketed markets. we're in free fall and listen, i mean, that was, of course because of this once in a century, health crisis. but critics of trump would argue that he mismanaged it and that made the economic damage even worse. one other point is how they differ on the market remember trump was a major cheerleader of the stock market. he used to tweet out

market milestones and record highs. what's interesting is that when you look at the annualized returns, they're very strong under both president biden and former president trump. but they're actually a little bit stronger under biden notably, trump is actually taking credit for where the stock market is right now, he says that wall street thinks he's going to get re-elected and that's why it's performing well. well, we'll let that speak for itself. matt egan. thank you so much. thank you still ahead. how the biden camp is making last-minute preps for tonight, much more of our special coverage ahead live from atlanta to me. harlem is the home, is also your body. last one, everyone, i asked myself, why does it pilates exist? in harlem i started my own studio get in a brick-and-mortar in new york is not easy chase ink as supported us from studio to studio three. when you start small, you need some big help and chase ink that for me, earn up to 5% cash back home

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